"SUPERMAN: BRAINIAC ATTACKS" - Does it Connect to "Superman: the Animated Series"? | Will It Canon?
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"Superman: Brainiac Attacks" has long been regarded as not part of the DC Animated Universe, with its awkward re-castings, kid-aimed writing, and peculiar continuity blunders. So, let's take a deep look at the movie in a new segment that's not at all ripped off of a popular CZcams channel.
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Aaaand, I’ve already figured out what the constantly-posted comment is gonna be this time around: “What if the movie is in a parallel universe to the DCAU? Then it’s canon!” So here’s my canned response that I will now cease replying with:
While this is certainly possible, if we consider the Multiverse Theory of there being literally infinite possible parallel worlds, some with such minor changes you could search for thousands of years and never find them, it essentially erases the ability to categorize something as “canon” or “not canon.” We’re referring strictly to the DCAU as it is presented to us from the start of BTAS to the end of JLU, hence this movie does not fit. Additionally, each parallel universe in the DCAU is presented as somewhat drastically different-an action or event causes character(s) to take on very different lives from what we see in the main DCAU timeline. “Brainiac Attacks” presents us with what appears to be a version of STAS where someone watched the first episode and then said “Ok, yeah, I think I got the idea.” Sure, it could be an alternate DCAU, but that’s not the discussion in this video, and with that logic I’d say we could go on for days about “JL/JLU is an alternate universe because Batman wears a different costume” or even “Divided We Fall is in an alternate universe because Brainiac fires a yellow beam at Luthor in the flashback instead of a blue beam like in the actual episode.” Because of this, we’ve chosen to stick to whether or not an item fits into the “DCAU proper.”
Great Video and could you guys do a video on Clayface?
A fitting and logical argument.
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never eat while talking in a video that is a one way ticket to get people to not watch your video.
Is batman beyomd 2.0 is part of dcau please answer my question.
Anyone else have a visceral reaction to seeing Bruce Timm style Luthor without Clancey Brown's voice? It just feels... wrong. Like Flash in Luthor's body.
Kimberly Terasaki even that would be better than this one
At least Wally West in Luthor's body still sounds like Lex Luthor.
Right? While I think Powers Boothe was pretty good as Grodd, he just doesn’t fit Timm Style Luthor. Also doesn’t help that he lost a lot of iq points in this movie.
@@bushbobberson9769 maybe if they did a similar thing to Superman: doomsday and gave Lex and maybe everyone else a different design it would be less distracting but well they didnt
5:18 “It’s got to be a continuation of that show… right?”
You missed the perfect opportunity to insert Lex Luthor’s, “WRONG!!!”, line from Superman Returns.
I'd like to consider this taking place in the Justice lords timeline, and its actually more different then we originally thought
make's sense with how lex was acting in that timeline, and the gene hackman style lex luthor would definitely want to be president.
Plus he doesn't seem to have brainiac inside him, which fits with this movie.
huh didnt know Superman never used Freeze breath in the DCAU
is this a mandella effect?
I could have sworn he did as well.
I knew about the Zack Snyder stuff, I always took that as his disrespect for the character, but I'm starting to realize that the mandella effect is very real in regards to this power.
Some big assumptions there considering I only said I believed Zack Snyder's version of Superman was disrespectful, but never stated why.
No, I don't think there should be a tongue-in-cheek wink at the camera every time Superman is on screen, but I do think there are certain ideals and principles that should be upheld (not killing and trying to save people while fighting bad guys is a big one). I remember a lot of lip service to hope and justice in Man of Steel, but very little actually demonstrating it. You can have a dark Superman film, but Superman shouldn't be the dark part and it especially shouldn't be his origin story. The oil rig scene should have been the first scene of him saving people in the film, not the only one. Oh wait, I tell a lie, there was a scene earlier on as a child, but he was told off for doing it, even though Superman is supposed to get his morals from his parents. There were two scenes in total where his personality came off as Superman in that entire film to me (the technobabble "here is how the phantom drive works" scene and the "I was raised in Kansas" bit"). BvS was even worse, as he was barely in the film to make room for Batman (who I also have issues with, but one hero at a time) and when we did appear, he was an uncharismatic grump who was constantly doubting if he should be Superman. He then he gets pummeled by Batman in a really forced, boring fight scene before dying at the hand of Doomsday in his second ever film. Honestly, after two and half movies with him, I really don't know who this version of Superman is meant to be, as the films do such a poor job of characterizing him. Zack Snyder is a huge Ayn Randian objectivist, so it's understandable as to why he was the wrong choice, so I blame the studio more than anything.
I've read For Tomorrow, it's not held up well and citing the characters very first appearance before he had a chance to evolve into what he is today is more than a little cheap. Plus there have certainly been a lot of bad Superman stories (especially the New 52 stuff) that don't represent the character the best they could. I have read a little bit of Donner's "Brainiac" arc with Geoff Johns, I really enjoyed that one. I'd recommend you read the recent Rebirth stuff on Superman, All-Star Superman, What Is So Funny about Truth, Justice and The American Way and Superman: Up, Up and Away for my ideal for Superman.
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" I do think there are certain ideals and principles that should be upheld not killing" "I'd recommend you read.... All-Star Superman" 2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ols37noZdIs/VjnB5tIF4ZI/AAAAAAAAC2s/4fi_RbFHnw4/s1600-Ic42/012.jpg uh-huh
Also citing Action Comics 775 as part of "recommendations" without context of entire Joe Kelly's run which The Harvest is cruicial part of is how-to-spot entry level Superman "fan" 101
"and trying to save people while fighting bad guys"
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"was a scene earlier on as a child, but he was told off for doing it"
no, he was told to keep his powers in secret until right time comes i.e. until he will grow up to be able to bear circumstances, which is btw true to his original origin (which is also last version of this origin done by his *creators*) imgur.com/a/JifqyNn
"Zack Snyder is a huge Ayn Randian objectivist"
Which is why his Superman risking life 2 times and dies on 3rd, because self-sacrifice is such important part of objectivism., right? (Wrong, actually it's first things that is most antagonized).
"Citing the characters very first appearance before he had a chance to evolve into what he is today"
Which is a mix of new52 origin with 3 different versions of post-crisis origins?
"I have read a little bit of Donner's "Brainiac" arc with Geoff Johns"
What.
"I'd recommend you read the recent Rebirth stuff on Superman"
Which is written by Dan Jurgens, who is fan of Zack's films and not once defended him.
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Also "studio" didn't pick Zack for Superman, it was Christopher Nolan who did.
Another thing about the Fortress of Solitude's destruction. If all the animals are dead from the explosion, that means we'd have no Starro to eventually possess Superman and the future Justice League in Batman Beyond.
Here's a theory.
What if this is a VR Simulation Movie created by Booster Gold.
SUPERMAN: BRAINIAC ATTACKS is a fan fiction film that takes place in the DCAU long after the events of the old DCAU.
It's all in Booster Gold's head.
Who is buster gold that Guy is Green lantern
@@prestamopositivo4932 good joke
My personal head canon hypothesis is that SUPERMAN: BRAINIAC ATTACKS is a virtual reality simulation created by Booster Gold in his time gathered from events very similar to the ones seen in this movie, but different.
This was created and seen by Booster Gold before he journeyed back in time to present day DCAU.
The way I see it, SUPERMAN: BRAINIAC ATTACKS is based on events that actually happened in the DCAU, just altered for cinematic effect by Booster Gold because he didn't know the voices of Lex Luthor and Mercy at the time he made it.
green lantern the animated series will it canon ?
Well considering that Hal hasn't received a ring, Plus in GL:TAS it When Guy Gardner tells Hal about John Stewart Hal refers to John as a reporter while in the DCAU he's was a part of the USMC. And I'm pretty sure there's some other things to be mentioned but I haven't watched the series in years. But I agree they should do a Will it canon.
No
@Will N I think, initially it was supposed to be, and it should be specifically because Timm helped work extensively on it -- it was going to have a another season, so major speculation was that it was going to tie in. Carol at the end of the season was missing and Sinestro was the leader of a Corps. Who's to say Carol wouldn't become vindictive of Hal and GL's at some point and Sinestro loses his leadership.
I thought it was meant to be canon to the Ryan Reynolds Movie
@@mcmultigamer847 now that we have fatal five we know he does get the ring at some point
Just blame Chronos form "The Once and Future Thing." He messed up the timeline.
Dude!! That’s the CW’s Flash’s job!!
Damnit barry!
When I first saw this movie, I completely expected a twist to occur that revealed that Grodd was controlling Lex the whole time for some nefarious purpose. Needless to say, I came away disappointed.
It’s a shame, the animation is gorgeous and it would’ve been nice for STAS to have gotten a movie in the DCAU
yeah. Old dc animated movies always had beautiful animation. I'm sad that they've started to cut its budget.
Sometimes I wish we’ve gotten a DCAU mini-series or film where Clark spills the beans to Lois about his Superman alter ego, taking inspiration and elements from the almost-revealing moment in the Justice League Unlimited "Divided We Fall" ending.(which they were so close to end off the whole story) The plot twists and turns promise an intriguing and fun premise-perhaps what’re the odds but someday, if they ever go back to the Timmverse only fix some mistakes and have unfinished business to do!
Don't ever stop making videos, guys.
If Dini didn't help write it or wasn't involved in some way I usually don't consider it canon, that's how I personally feel. I personally think he's the brains behind the dcau while Tim was the artist . Sure he helped out, but Dini made it what it was
I always found it bizzare they didn't style it after the Chris Reeve movies outright, much like the recent animated Adam West films. Sure, Chris wasn't with us, but they could have used as much of the Returns cast as they needed to as replacements.
It's much cheaper and faster to use all the existing designs rather than start from scratch
@@shanksmare8 wb spent a lot more on animation back then. Now we get things with stiff animation like Hush.
@@clockstomper yeah, and I don't understand the budget cuts. Although, superman: man of tomorrow had beautiful animation. And I'm disappointed with injustice's animation.
@@ProjektTaku Tje budget cuts are because they release 3-5 movies a year
@@indeed260 still, they could use better art styles. Injustice had really weird character designs.
Wait... would this new show cover the like "Adventures in the DC Universe" and the Justice League Unlimited books?! This is what I've been asking for for months!!! SO excited!!!
Yeppers
Meanwhile still waiting for A video about what happened to Lex Luther and Darkseid at the ending of Justice league Unlimited
From the “Destroyer” page on the DCAU Wiki: “According to Dwayne McDuffie, Darkseid and Luthor became part of the Source Wall, like everyone else who solved the Anti-Life Equation.”
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@@dcauwatchtower, but now according to the end of the Death Metal event, the Source Wall no longer exists. So what happens to DCAU Lex and Darkseid? 🤔
@@randomericthings7506 It’ll be back eventually. Can’t get rid of a Jack Kirby concept forever.
The only explanation for the continuity errors with the rest of the DCAU if this movie could still be canon, is Perry White mentions Mxy at the end. Maybe Mxy warped reality.
mxy really went and said:
"You know what the world needs? A goofy, funny lex luthor with the voice of gorilla grodd."
This is a fantastic idea for a series on this channel. The DCAU timeline an canon never ceases to interest me
This movie is literally a DCAMU movie in DCAU's clothing.
I love how you can hear Luthor's other voice even in the silent footage. You have to admit they did a good job at the terrible thing they were doing.
i really appreciate the style of the newer videos, you're not taking yourself too seriously and i like that a lot
This movie feels like an alternate sequel to Reeve's first Superman movie, where instead of Zod, Brainiac is the villain. Luthor is acting more like the Gene Hackman version instead of, you know, the Clancy Brown one.
I actually rewatched The Animated Series after viewing this
There are Multiple Occasions where Brainiac smiles, even for extended periods of time, heck, he even cracks a Joke once or twice & does have witty banter with Superman.
So It isn't wrong that Brainiac is Smiling in this Film.
Nice work! I wish this changed the overall outcome, but the personality differences don’t technically affect the movie’s canonicity.
I liked this video!! The timeline stuff, works better when it have a purpose bigger than just" where this takes place at"...
keep up the good work!
I've really been enjoying your videos during the COVID-19 quarantine. The timeline stuff is a little over my head, but I love that you made a channel devoted to the DCAU. It still baffles me that there are so many people against Batman and Harley Quinn being canon. I wanted it to be part of the DCAU for Nightwing's role alone. My only real gripe of TNBA is the lack of actual Nightwing screentime (Over the Edge doesn't count because he's a hallucination and Chemistry he doesn't suit up if I remember right). At the very least Batman and Harley Quinn gave us more Loren Lester Nightwing.
Crazy how "official" guides are so low on the canon tiers
Check out the doc linked in the description for more info, but the short version is that sometimes those biographies were/are either written by unreliable authors (those not very close to the shows) or taken from early series notes that no longer apply to the character when comparing to their actual DCAU history.
I like this. MORE! DO MORE!
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The Brainiac Attacks, Brainiac could be Brainiac 2 (Brainiac's son) who sometimes looks identical to the original
I really like this. Do more of it
Alternate Universes _are_ canon (Justice Lords, Justice Guild, Gods and Monsters) in the DCAU, which means all of these animated films could indeed be canon without necessarily fitting into mainstream continuity. Indeed, DC gives the DCAU its own official alternate Universe in their comic continuity. Who's to say that we aren't seeing, say, the _Justice Lords_ version of Superman and his history here?
While this is certainly possible, if we consider the Multiverse Theory of there being literally infinite possible parallel worlds, some with such minor changes you could search for thousands of years and never find them, it essentially erases the ability to categorize something as “canon” or “not canon.” We’re referring strictly to the DCAU as it is presented to us from the start of BTAS to the end of JLU, hence this movie does not fit. Additionally, each parallel universe in the DCAU is presented as somewhat drastically different-an action or event causes character(s) to take on very different lives from what we see in the main DCAU timeline. “Brainiac Attacks” presents us with what appears to be a version of STAS where someone watched the first episode and then said “Ok, yeah, I think I got the idea.” Sure, it could be an alternate DCAU, but that’s not the discussion in this video, and with that logic I’d say we could go on for days about “JL/JLU is an alternate universe because Batman wears a different costume” or even “Divided We Fall is in an alternate universe because Brainiac fires a yellow beam at Luthor in the flashback instead of a blue beam like in the actual episode.” Because of this, we’ve chosen to stick to whether or not an item fits into the “DCAU proper.”
You should make that clear in your definition of "canon" then, if you intend to make this a regular feature, something along the lines of the multiverse only being regarded as canon if and when it interacts with the primary DCAU continuity. Otherwise I anticipate you spending a lot of time in the comments responding to comments like mine.
Haha, good plan. Thanks!
Nick Sorenson You can think that if you’d like! It’s DCAU canon, for sure, but I’m gonna go ahead and personally consider “Heart of Ice” it’s own universe because it’s so good it makes everything else not canon. ;)
+Nick Sorenson Sadly, we can't ignore canon which annoys us. That's the curse of bearing the heart of a nerd. When Kevin Smith ruined Batman's iconic Year One entry into the rich Gothamites' dinner for the sake of a cheap joke, it could not be dismissed or relegated to an alternate world. For all time we will know that Batman had pee trickling down into his boots.
4:50 it actually didn't met with mixed reactions from critics, it was VERY positive reaction in fact. It was just boring, and overly kind, and fell short in zeitgeist.
You see ,( -Ivan- ), after people were exposed to what Batman was CREATED to be (i.e. dark figure) by Tim Burton, Bruce Timm and C. "Bravo" Nolan, there was a same desire for Superman (who was created as badass and ultimate immigrant, kinda-ousider-but-not-really character) which was only met in comics of those days and Timm cartoons. This is why Man of Steel made way more money than Returns, despite *actually* mixed response from critics, but positive from audience and people like Bruce Timm and Dan Jurgens themeselves.
_"Which Donald Trumps the other"_
Please tell Me you just made that up on the fly?😂😂😂
Great that Tim Daly returned as Superman along with most of the same voice cast and the same animation after being unavailable for the Justice League cartoon. Biggest drawback for me was Clancy Brown not returning as Lex Luthor and Lex Luthor being rewritten as a goof. Dead curious as to why that was.
9:55 Time passes more slowly in the phantom zone, so if you look into it from the outside things might seem to stay in place. Because Supergirl was trapped in the phantom zone she's Superman's older cousin while looking younger. It's very similar to (what I call) 'Flash vision', when the Flash runs everything else seems to stop moving. (Also, look at X-Men - Days of Future Past/Apocalypse's Quicksilver scenes.)
What if something corrupted Brainiac's memory? I mean look at the lil guy, he's a chunk on a table. Some of his vast data could be corrupted. So for Lex it's time #2, and for Brainiac it's time #1 because he's got a few missing sectors and doesn't currently remember time #1.
I was having kinda a bad day but this definitely helped. I was laughing so hard at the end! 😂😂😂 Thank you
You guys do great videos. Keep up the good work.
Looking for to more stuff like this 'cause it's awesome! Heck, even just more live-action skits would be awesome too.
Also, I saw the GLTAS at 5:34. I'm excited to see that be put through this 'cause;
1. I really liked the series when it was airing.
2. I personally only picked up one reference to DCAU in it.
3. I kind of made my own assumption that it took place in the same world as Beware the Batman. ('Cause of the animation style and what not.)
So, yeah. Lovin' the direction you guys are going and it is a welcomed addition to the amazing content you guys put out. :D
"Except for the whole Brainiac debut thing, I'd like to see you try..." Challenge accepted!
Brainiac was freaking pulverized by Superman earlier in the movie... maybe some of his memory was gone too...
I will always respect this movie for getting rid of Jimmy’s mullet. It works for Nightwing, hell I didn’t think it looked that bad on Superman, but Jimmy just cannot pull it off in any way shape or form. I’d even go as far as to say that it was the only thing keeping STAS from feeling like a timeless world like BTAS.
This film is obviously not in canon which is a shame because it could have been a pretty great addition had it tried to be. I don't even think Powers Boothe would make a bad Lex -- his role in Agents of SHIELD as a top Hydra member was pretty great. Even Brainiac's voice is pretty cool and sounds almost MCU-Ultronesque. While Brainiac is... mostly fine for me, Lex is just played way too wrong. I would LOVE a fan edit that cuts out Lex's involvement, turns the film into like a 20 minute, 30 minute adventure about fighting Brainiac and Superman finally revealing his secret identity to Lois. In the film, that fake "revelation" happens kind of at the end of the second act but if someone cut out the part where we find out he was in the Phantom Zone the whole time, and made it so Lois actually finds out -- I think it'd be great.
Basically:
* Cut Lex out of the film entirely
* Keep most of Brainiac's scenes except those in which he's working with or fighting Lex (his first appearance at the LexCorp site is fine as long as Lex is cut out)
* Cut the revelation that Superman was in the Phantom Zone the entire time after realizing Lois is acting fishy -- in this hypothetical edit, the point would be for Lois to ACTUALLY learn the truth; so the scene in which she finds out the truth would instead be moved to the end.
* Keep Brainiac destroying the cure at the end and Superman's glowing tears reviving Lois. It has a Richard Donner feel to it that actually works with STAS Superman imo compared to using Donner-esque Luthor characterizations does not.
* When the tear starts to heal Lois, use the scene of her waking up from earlier in the film instead of the actual/original scene. Again, this way, she actually learns the truth about Superman/Clark.
* Cut Jimmy's side story with Mercy but keep most of the ending scene with him, Lois, and Perry in the hospital
* Keep the ending with Lois asking Perry about Clark and the whole ending. While originally, this implied that she still didn't know the truth, recontextualizing it makes it seem as if she's keeping his cover.
* And of course, your mileage may vary but obviously short lines or scenes such as how the Krypton orb talks about the Phantom Zone can be trimmed or cut entirely to avoid those things. As for a different LexCorp aesthetic... meh. I think we can chalk that up to the same thing as "are the JLU Batsuit and TNBA Batsuit the same?" Considering we have precedence for things simply changing for seemingly no reason, I personally don't put too much weight on the building discrepancy since it's seemingly the same one inside. Same with Fortress aesthetic stuff. The destruction of the Fortress I think I wanted to cut out entirely as well.
I know that's a lot to cut, edit, and rearrange but one of the things I was always bummed about was that Lois never found out the truth and considering the 90s was when Lois and Clark finally married (and she learned the truth) in both the comics and in Lois & Clark, the show, and they remained married all the way up to 2011 and then once again in 2016 for Rebirth, I'm bummed we never got to see that in the DCAU. It still wouldn't be officially canon but it would at least turn it canon-friendly and could be used in a similar way as the Legacies of the DCAU comic or my own BTAS/TNBA short comic.
Oh, another note -- Brainiac's fascination with the orb -- can that not simply be chalked up to the fact that he would want that data again after Kal-El "stole" it from him? I watched the film semi-recently for the purpose of making notes on how to make a DCAU-compatible edit and I recall going back and forth on cutting out Brainiac's fascination with the orb and retaining it just so that the hypothetical editor has less of a headache when editing. It may be a little weird but I recall, maybe erroneously, that it could work if you just assume he wants to reclaim what he once had.
Anyway, this edit would not only bring the tone of the film more in line with STAS and the DCAU in general, even if it wouldn't be particularly amazing, it would also alleviate most of the timeline issues by simply taking Lex, Kryptonite, Brainiac's lack of knowledge of Brainiac, etc. out of the question. I think it would work placed before JLU. It could come before Twilight of JL/the Static-JL crossover or even afterward, maybe possibly. JLU establishes that Lois and *Superman* are at least dating and there's a scene in JLU where she's with Clark, completely alone, but doesn't seem to know the truth? That, to me, can be explained as her just being careful but that's also because I would really like for her to know the truth by that point.
I do like this idea, but personally I consider that Phantom Zone twist to be one of the best parts of an otherwise uninteresting movie. I do agree though that it’s dumb we never saw Lois learn who Superman is.
I like how the final test to see if a particular piece of content is canon to a franchise, is seeing if it fits in a bucket.
Its nice to finally see a Superman video
Might want to slap a superhero sticker or iron-on atop the starbucks logo, just for fun. Or maybe the channel logo?
I actually planned to do exactly that (the WDb logo), and forgot to buy sticker paper. 😬 - James
James Strecker: The Real Burger King.
Thanks for this video. When I first saw Brainiac Attacks around a decade ago, I was able to pick out some of the inconsistencies you pointed out in this video like the differences in the personalities this movie's versions of Lex Luthor and Brainiac compared to their DCAU counterparts. Also, I have a question for you. You made a video in the past that dealt with the subject if the Teen Titans cartoon was in the DCAU. Are you going to redo it as an episode of "Will it Canon?" or are you going to leave it as it is?
Been thinking of doing a newer version as part of this show, yeah. I’m currently rewatching “Teen Titans” and taking notes of any little thing that might go against DCAU canon. It’ll be a little while before we address that show again, but I hope to make it happen! - James
the fact that Lex isn't voiced by Clancy hurts. Also how he's weird.. he's not the same sinister Lex
that's because his personality is a copy of gene hackman's lex.
lex and Brainiac's personality traits can be contributed to the merger they shared and seeing the antilife equation and source wall escape ,the building could have been remodeled after the darkside attack ,brainiacs memory could have been damaged
Or this movie could be in a different continuity
@@dcauwatchtower or what if this movie is cannon its just the justice lords universe pre president Luthor
Now that I'm full of knowledge, time to get full of nuggets.
Could it take place in Justice Lords world. That Lex did seem gittier before SuperLord killed him.
How much can Canon be canned if Canon could be canned? The answer is not much...
This Luther is one loose screw away from stealing 40 cakes. It would have been interesting if this Lex was a bizaro clone in process of breaking down. And Instead of Braniac this should have been Hank henshaw (pre cyborg Superman) utilizing Braniac's leftover tech. I would buy this movie again if they added a few extra minutes and retconned it into being DCAU Canon.
The other stuff like the fortress, mayor and Jimmy's new Nick name could just indicate they are further down the timeline.This movie'ssaving grace wasthat it was real nice to see Clark and Lois make some progress in thier relationship.
You’ll be pleasantly “surprised.”
Watchtower Database I guess my memory was better then I recalled on how lame and out of place this film was. I was thinking there would be a comic in a Disney Adventure magazine that you crossed referenced with promotional materials only made available to Superman Returns ticket buyers who mailed away four proof of purchases from a Mattel Superman Braniac special edition two pack which you use to decode the mini comic packed in with that two pack that would explain how this was in the DCAU. LoL.
If only...
Saving that for “Crisis on Two Earths.”
Just kidding.
Watchtower Database I'm still holding out hope we'll get that reboot, "Crisis on Two Earths: Draft One" LOL
Wishlist videos from this channel
Superman beyond video (including what happens to lois lane in the beyond era)
What happens to darkside and lex after JLU do they return?
More orgins stories of DCAU heroes and villians
"A whatever happened to " video speculation to what happens various characters in the dcau after JLU
And review of dcau comics (batman adventures or superman or JLU)
Would greatly appreciate the vid
And greatly appreciate you guys and your hard works from previous vid)
Thanks for the suggestions! Can’t make any promises but we’ll take these into consideration!
She died and older superman cant touch the ground earth cause Luthor poisned it with kryptonite theres a batman beyond comic too explain that.
In the comics for JL Beyond we see Darkseid come back as a blind god but unsure of Lex (ask my head canon tho....)
Yessss!!!!!!!! A new video!!! Aww love you guys!!!!
could it be that this movie actually takes place in an early point of the justice lords universe
I like to think that Superman Brainiac Attacks takes place in the Justice Lords universe before Superman became all corrupted
I like this idea. Especially since we don’t see the Fortress of Solitude or Brainiac in that two-parter.
@@rayvenkman2087and brainiac attacks Lex does seem to act similar to how justice lord Lex acted from what little we saw
Yes!, another awesome vid
I don't take continuity errors that serious either :) BUT I love watching you break them all down & go into all the details! Whst about Green Lantern "First Flight" & Green Lantern "Emerald Knights"? I wonder if theres some fun continuity errors to break down with everything those add.
Whoa this has opened a part of my brain I forgot was there...I feel like I’ve seen this movie but it’s a foggy memory...
I love you'll channel guys ,I like the movie and I personally don't care if its cannon or not ,not everything has to be connected.
So nobody is good by to mention the marching stick, probably a CorpsMaster, that he used to kill that DVD case? Why a marching snare stick if I may ask?
It was near me
(It’s actually a ProMark DC-17)
Kind of like a reimagining of the original intent for the Superman 3 removing a lot of the creepier elements like Superman and Supergirl being a couple and supergirl and Brainiac having some sort of weird daughter/romantic other thing going on. It also took out time travel which quite frankly seemed unnecessary and weird (and given how weird Superman 3 was in its final form, that's saying something) and left us with something way more akin to Superman Doomsday.
I kinda wish they went to richard donner and asked him to write his version of superman 3 (continuing on from superman 2: the richard donner cut) and then made the movie based around that whilst using the character designs from the dcau.
keep up the good work!
It is a probability it could be from a slightly different timeline
I always thought the events of this movie was another parallel universe like the ones seen in "Brave New Metropolis" and "A Better World" where Lex has a much higher sugar intake and Brainiac tried to beat the Y2K bug to the punch. Okay, kidding on the last parts, but since the DCAU has its own Multiverse it's not that big a stretch for the different continuities to parallel universes, the classic Ben 10 continuity being a good example of this.
I was curious if you all could do a video/videos on how Batman: Vengance and Rise of Sin Tzu fit into the DCAU timeline? That would be so cool.
On the list!
Vengeance can easily fit, while RoST feels more like Elseworlds filler.
What if it takes place in the justice lords universe or in the brave new metropolis universe ?
*This question has already been solved.*
In the time travel episode where of JLU batman says he has no memory of time traveling to the future. This means that there atleast two near identical timelines. One where that adventure happend. And the other cannon thats slightley different. This is Where you can fit all the non cannon movies as the Uni's are similar with slight deviations.
That’s a theory for sure!
I'll watch this video later. I remember not really liking this film and I always knew that it wasn't part of the DCAU.
Justice Lord's alternate timeline, problem solved 😁
Superman goes from “Brainiac! It’s time to log off!” to killing the president and running a team of totalitarian superhero overlords? 🤔
Watchtower Database well they do act slightly diffrent, goofy Lex can easily be batshit president Lex, and supes is way more emotional, that i can see he's the one who years later "snaps" and crosses the line, the rest of the lords follow suit 😁
I do like “Up up and away!” Lex becoming “And they’re going to burn for it. BURN!” Lex...
Watchtower Database 😉
I know this is a stretch but could we down the road could we get a video of the complete DCAU timeline with every spin-off tie in included?
Yep, a full timeline will eventually exist on the Watchtower Database website. Any videos on the timeline will be split for a specific subject.
Mattie Washburn do you have any DCAU fan theories that weren't mentioned in any watchtower database videos yet
5:11 im happy that it has its movies
You know something folks maybe get a DCAU mini-series or film where our cape-clad hero, Clark, spills the beans to Lois Lane about his Superman alter ego? Imagine siphoning inspiration and intriguing elements from the edge-of-revelation story in Justice League Unlimited's "Divided We Fall" ending - the stuff of Timmverse legends! Imagine a plot laden with twists and turns, promising an intriguing and uproarious premise. One can't help but wonder about the odds, a whimsical hope that someday, the Timmverse might stage a comeback, not just to fix a few animated missteps but to attend to the unfinished superheroic business, weaving a tale that's equal parts and revitalized charm.
That ending 😂😂😂
Ah, nothing better then finding a channel with hundreds of videos and you want to watch all of them. Bye society, I’ll be busy for a bit
So much effort and no views. You should be a bigger CZcams channel
Vid’s only been up like an hour 🤷🏼♀️
But thanks
Watchtower Database nah man I mean overall. I love your dorky ass detailed background on the canon and all that jazz. CZcams algos need to show you guys love
And PS
More DCAU timeline videos (and yes im serious...)
Do you know the reason they recast Harley for Batman & Harley Quinn?
No idea.
Though, Paul Dini was not on the project, and he was responsible for casting her in the first place, so perhaps they didn’t hire her out of awkwardness, or she refused when learning Dini wasn’t involved. But that’s all just speculation.
Mattie Washburn That's too bad. Her Harley in Injustice 2 was great.
“All these tiers, do you think they will save you?”
Where did you get the DCAU shirts?I want them for my birthday
Got the one in this video from Hot Topic a few years ago. - James
@@dcauwatchtower thanks guys
Isn't the music from the beginning the one that played in that one club in "Batman: Sub-Zero".
yarp
@@dcauwatchtower Can't believe I didn't notice that until now... XD
Maybe this is the superman from the Justice Lords Universe...
Who gets nuggets from burger king? Normi
Honestly a part of me wants to see you guys do a version or "Will it canon" for the Justice Lords universe. Like see if canon that isn't canon to the DCAU would be canon for the Justice Lord's universe.
Considering how messed up that universe is, it makes perfect sense why this movie and "Batman Nd Harley Quinn would fit in that world's lore so well." :D
yeah, like:
The way lex was acting in that universe was just like this movies and lex and the gene hackman style lex would definitely want to be president unlike the main lex.
And brainiac doesn't seem to be in lex's body which fits with this movie's brainiac aswell.
Hope You All Are Well. Great video, the details & the levity were well balanced.
As You pointed out a lot of this dose not pan out at all, though I'm thinking the hole Brainiac meeting Lex issue could possible be a time displacement-ish thing, similar to how Dr Who meets River & she acts like She knows Him until She realizes He is on a different point in their timeline, so Lex has met Brainiac before, hence His boasting & familiarity towards Brainiac but the Brainiac from the movie Brainiac Attacks is from a point on their timeline before they " 1st met ".
Probably completely wrong but it's a possibility.
Cool idea, but there’s really no evidence that that’s the case.
My theory is that Superman: Brainiac Attacks and Superman: Doomsday take place in the same universe.
Who knows.
It could serve as a theory.
But the characters also act pretty differenteley too.
While I don't really like Luthor's voice for this film...I actually didn't hate Lance in the role of Brainiac, sure you can argue it sounds a bit too...human(?) but I think that makes it more uncanny
this video has edumacated me
Just I thought what if the Brainiac in Brainiac attacks is actually Brainiac 2?
In the Justice League episode Blackest Night, we see Superman use his freeze breath on one of the patrol ships when it catches fire
That’s just Super Breath, my man. Air, not specifically freezing things. He uses that a lot.
6:41 Powers Boothe? So I'm going to assume that this is Grodd's mocking impression of Luthor, then.
I always saw this as a one off separate from the shows
Now I really want some nuggets.
You should do a video about if the if the books that use the designs of the dcau characters are canon.
It’s on the list!
Does anybody know where robin is during batman and Harley Quinn is?
Mattie Washburn - ohhhhh I haven't watched it Static reference
Video games are above official guides? That really speaks volumes.
This may not apply to all fandoms, but for the DCAU, the guides were basically exclusively written by outside sources: writers who only had the shows and comics to go off of, little to no “backdoor” information from the crews. So oftentimes, they are either inaccurate or information is assumed.
i used to have that same shirt, sorry about how its gonna shrink up.
I bet im the only one who noticed the Godzilla against Mechagodzilla music used in the background.
I...what?
I think I might be alone on this but I really dig the voice of Brainiac in Brainiac Attacks, but then again I’m not deeply attached to that voice, but I am for Clancy Brown he is my definitive Lex Luthor.
Why not have it as a splinter timeline, where the style, voices, and other elements are similar/connected, but isn't canon to the main DCAU timeline.
Oh, there are many
6:41 says everything about this movie