Well done sir! The 3d visual is a masterpiece. Why it's not more widely used I have no idea. It's the perfect thing for showing and not just describing the inside of a lock, especially these pesky things. Top of the class
Excellent vid. I plan on getting into DD's someday, though strictly for hobby= as you almost never see them used in America. Also, as a fun field of study= Wafer Locks. They're literally everywhere and they have been around for ages and they are a very interesting topic. Disassembling them and reassembling them is very interesting too. Would love to see a comprehensive video series on those. Also= TUBULAR Locks. So little has been devoted to them and they are such a fascinating field. I don't fell like they have even had tools made for them. I mean, they have impressioners but those don't work very well. Would love to see better tensioning tools for them and a pick created specifically to push down the pins. You think, 'Oh, I'll just grab anything' but a lot of tub's have a rim over the pins which makes accessing them super difficult. Like even with a .015's it's hard to insert. The tool should also have a cup to go over each pin, it'd make it easier. (Kind of like Noobs' Monkey Paw but not bent). Would also love to see a demo of the ACE brand impressioner but it's like 400$ lol and not sure if they have different heads for all the different types. 7 pin/ 7 pin offset/ 8 pin/ 10 pin. They're used on tons of things but it hasn't been thoroughly vetted as far as I'm concerned. Anywho, thanks for your efforts. (Gonna get me a silver bullet one of these days, lol.)
Rarely see pintumblers outside of cheap bicycles in the nordics. You're not getting burglary insurance payouts if your lock isn't atleast as secure as the mid model abloy DD locks. Very nearly all residences have DDs and some even have DD + electronics both required. Never understood the desire to save a meaningless amount of money by going with a cheap crappy pin tumbler. A single time someone steals from you it'll be multiples in excess of the pricegap even between a 15$ and a 300$ Abloy Protec etc.
I cannot thank you enough for taking the time to give to the community and helping people and me with this for so many years to come. I saw a very old lock picking video with graphics but it was on VHS but no one does it. I’m so happy you did. It helps so so much. You’re a very good teacher.
Your CAD animation is amazing! There's no other better way to explain how this lock works on the inside. Truly genius! Thank you very much for putting this presentation together. Can't say enough good things about it.
I know it's been a year since the upload but just watched your video after struggling for hours... And finally got my first open thank to you. After watching your video I noticed that my lock was rear tensioning and tried to use rear tension and BAM it opened... Best feeling ever thanks man!!!!!
Great video, felt like it belongs in an educational series. I love DD locks but have had problems and now this vid has renewed my interest back in practicing. Thanks
Awesome video, I been struggling with picking disc retaining locks, I have the very same pick as you and I have been very frustrated trying to pick, now that I watched your video you have given me hope that I will succeed!! Thank you again, lot of work was put in your video, well done!
Great job Jon! Even though I already knew about the topics covered. It was still really entertaining and well put together! I'm sure this will really be helpful for people new to DD picking. I sure wish it was around when I started DD locks.
Thanks! It was an effort to put it together, but it was a lot of fun to make the model, and like I said in the video I was genuinely frustrated at the beginning trying to pick DD locks and kinda felt stupid for not being able to pick them… I also noticed how many people seem to have bought a sparrows DD pick, but not too many DD pick posts/videos, and I was wondering if I was the only one struggling with it.
@@JonLock You're not alone, besides the words "picking & lock" there's nothing similar to what we've already learned. You really are starting from zero when you decide to learn DD locks.
Brilliant tutorial Jon and perfectly timed for me! I’ve just bought a Sparrows DD pick and 1 lock off eBay and spent about 4 hours without any success picking it. I sussed out problem points 1 and 2 myself in the trial and error process but never twigged that just because I got tension off disk 1 it might not be a front tension lock. It might just be me being rubbish at this but I’ll revisit my lock with this newly discovered knowledge with a glimmer of hope once more. Thank you
Hey Jon, nice video. For those looking to get into DD picking there are a few things I would recommend. First, find a lock that has been picked a lot and learn about it before you pick it, it's really helpful to draw from specific, collective knowledge. Second, using learning aids can really help, I've used combinations of cutaways and spacers to get better feedback, particularly for new or homemade tools. There are a few models of spacers I have made in the discord which reduce the total discs in the lock so you can get a feel for traversing the lock with better feedback. Cutaways for abloy locks can be done easily (particularly for the classic) which help to validate that what you feel is being translated to the lock correctly. Finally, just a small nitpick, the spacers in DD locks are reasonably important to the picking process. You need to be able to orient your pick in the next disc, that would be significantly more difficult without spacers. For that reason, the pick tip cannot be thicker than the spacers, thus they cannot be neglected in a deep dive on DD locks.
Absolutely true. I actually had a version where I talked about spacers and edited it out because it interrupted the flow of what I was trying to explain. I’m sure there would have been a way to get it in without confusing everyone, but I just didn’t find the right words, so I cut it out. I was mostly focused on the theory of picking it, and not 100% everything about DDs… but there is a whole topic about navigating your pick through the lock that I couldn’t find a good way to cover in this video.
WOW, nice video really amazing that you put in the effort and did a 3D-model. Nicely done! ABUS X-Plus cores are always front tensioning, they give very good feedback and a lot of people use them in their bike locks you can get lucky from time to time to score one with a lost/broken key (got 2 like this for 1€ each). Obstacles on these are only: False gates, slim spacers (needed to modify the sparrows picking tip a little) and this disc lock thingy before you start (easy to overcome though)
Thank you for this video, excellent information and animations, I did a dd lock a few months ago but I haven't done anything with it, your insight helps to get the right locks and tools to get started in learning about these locks.
Thanks for the video. It's a good reference for when i move on to DD locks. I'm still at the beginning of picking and having fun learning spp. Looking forward to seeing more of your videos.
Decent explanations, nice graphics, however, here are a couple of things that may help. 1. File the tips of the turning head a little longer. On many locks, you may have a thick spinner to get past before you reach disc 1. Take a look at the turning tip on LPL's pick. LONG fork on that thing, easily filled into shape, just do it gradually, and only by hand. A dremel will heat the metal and destroy the temper, even if you manage to not over grind the turning tip. Also, you may have to shape the picking tip a little to get past the warding of some DD locks. Try not to take off more than you need to. 2. rather than trying to 3d print something if you don't have facilities, a small washer or two will also do quite nicely to help you maintain alignment of your pick tip. 3. The shaft of the turning tip is square, so you can rotate the turning tip 90º, to make your tensioning easier, depending on the orientation of the lock. 4. False gates. Many disc detainer locks have false gates on the discs and will require a lot more work to find the true gates. However, much of the principles are the same, rotating the binding disc until you find a gate, and moving on to the next binding disc. It may not, and probably will not be a linear process as you go through the stack of discs. Once they are in gates of any sort, then you will have to keep searching for the true gates. 5. Do not get discouraged, do not quit, you can do this. It may take a long time at first, but you will get it if you keep trying. If you don't, you will never get through them. Putting them down and waiting for a day when you feel like it gets you no closer to getting them open. Trying, getting frustrated to hell, putting them down for a bit to cool off then coming back to them DOES get you closer to open ing them. Disc Detainer locks are NOT easy to open, and they are not supposed to be. I have ones I still have yet to get an open, and have been trying for years. My first disc detainer locks were kryptonites, because I could find nothing else on hand, all center tensioning, and not easy, but through determination, I got most of them open, eventually, even designed my own disc detainer pick, which you can check out my tutorial vid on. I hope these tips help.
Hi Jon, first of all great information and animations. For the rear tensioned locks, you probably should have watched some of LPL's Videos. He developed? that technique to open those rear or mid tensioned locks using the Pick that he made together with BosnianBill :)
Great informative video wish my how to DD video was that good lol I like you struggled with DD picking and found the biggest help was some spacers I designed and 3D printed (ps they fit onto the round holes in the sparrows case lol ) I’ve made loads hot people it seems to be on of the hardest things for new DD pickers
Awesome - thanks for putting out the spacers… it’s like learning to ride a bike with training wheels - learn one thing at a time rather than 5 things all at once!
@@thecrappylockpicker4696 I have some Abloy tips headed my way, it’s my next stop on my DD journey (well maybe I’ll just the abus plus open first, we’ll see)
I really don't fully understand. Could you type out how to pick a rear zero cut disc detainer lock with a front disc tensioning disc pick in basic steps.
You tension the front disc. You hopefully are able to pick the rest of the discs (it’s harder to detect the set, since the front disc is pushing out the sidebar). Then you use the picking tip to tension the last disc. With the last disc under tension you counter rotate the front disc using the top tensioner. If all of the other discs are set correctly the front disc will fall into its gate and the lock will open.
i use one of those cheap 5 pound rear tensioning picks just ground down it opens every chinese lock i tried so far still no open on my abus plus though
As someone working with an abus plus right now, it's helpful to know what generation abus plus you have. Does the one you own have both butterfly discs?
@@unlockeduk if you have a flashlight, check to see if there are dark discs at the front or back of the core, those will be your butterfly discs. If you have the key it might also give you a middle disc to tension from.
@@typeregal6525 there are no 0 cuts on the key and cant see any black disks im fairly sure its an original model its the one in this video czcams.com/video/8Dd0-qrnDsM/video.html but obv not a cutaway lol
Well done sir! The 3d visual is a masterpiece. Why it's not more widely used I have no idea. It's the perfect thing for showing and not just describing the inside of a lock, especially these pesky things. Top of the class
Thank you. It’s a lot of work to make those models, I’m really glad you liked it
Excellent tutorial, I've learned a lot from this video. I've been struggling with disk detainer locks for a while now. Thanks for the video
This is the only video on YT that can make me understand about disc picking.
Thank you sooo much, Sir! 🙏
Thanks, that’s very kind.
Excellent vid. I plan on getting into DD's someday, though strictly for hobby= as you almost never see them used in America. Also, as a fun field of study= Wafer Locks. They're literally everywhere and they have been around for ages and they are a very interesting topic. Disassembling them and reassembling them is very interesting too. Would love to see a comprehensive video series on those. Also= TUBULAR Locks. So little has been devoted to them and they are such a fascinating field. I don't fell like they have even had tools made for them. I mean, they have impressioners but those don't work very well. Would love to see better tensioning tools for them and a pick created specifically to push down the pins. You think, 'Oh, I'll just grab anything' but a lot of tub's have a rim over the pins which makes accessing them super difficult. Like even with a .015's it's hard to insert. The tool should also have a cup to go over each pin, it'd make it easier. (Kind of like Noobs' Monkey Paw but not bent). Would also love to see a demo of the ACE brand impressioner but it's like 400$ lol and not sure if they have different heads for all the different types. 7 pin/ 7 pin offset/ 8 pin/ 10 pin. They're used on tons of things but it hasn't been thoroughly vetted as far as I'm concerned. Anywho, thanks for your efforts. (Gonna get me a silver bullet one of these days, lol.)
Rarely see pintumblers outside of cheap bicycles in the nordics. You're not getting burglary insurance payouts if your lock isn't atleast as secure as the mid model abloy DD locks. Very nearly all residences have DDs and some even have DD + electronics both required.
Never understood the desire to save a meaningless amount of money by going with a cheap crappy pin tumbler. A single time someone steals from you it'll be multiples in excess of the pricegap even between a 15$ and a 300$ Abloy Protec etc.
I cannot thank you enough for taking the time to give to the community and helping people and me with this for so many years to come. I saw a very old lock picking video with graphics but it was on VHS but no one does it. I’m so happy you did. It helps so so much. You’re a very good teacher.
You have earned a very well deserved subscription - brilliant video and tonnes of hard work putting this together. Very much appreciated. 😊
Thank you for putting in the time and effort to put this information together. Working on getting my first DD open.
Glad it was helpful!
Your CAD animation is amazing! There's no other better way to explain how this lock works on the inside. Truly genius! Thank you very much for putting this presentation together. Can't say enough good things about it.
How have i only just discovered this video! This is an amazing way of explaining how the lock works and love the explination really nice work mate!
Thank you, this was a high effort video for me (but fun and worth it!) so I’m glad people find it helpful.
@@JonLock it really is the best video i have found on dd picking top job mate
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The struggle is real. Thank you for this. I didn’t know I could adjust that tip.
Great video, thank god for great minds actually putting real tutorial videos out like you! thanks jon!
Thank you for the compliment. I had so much fun putting together this video!
Fantastic video. I've struggled with disc detainer locks. Hopefully your tips will help me.
I know it's been a year since the upload but just watched your video after struggling for hours... And finally got my first open thank to you. After watching your video I noticed that my lock was rear tensioning and tried to use rear tension and BAM it opened... Best feeling ever thanks man!!!!!
This was very useful, thank you. Both the model and the 3 mistakes.
Best explanation of how it works I've found so far. Including LPL. Hats off to you!
Absolutely spot on tutorial. Sent over by Chris Capune. Cheers Jon 👍👍🍻🍻
Great video. It's the best disc detainer video I've seen, and I've seen a lot.
Wow, thank you for that support.... means a lot to me. Glad you liked it!
Great video, felt like it belongs in an educational series. I love DD locks but have had problems and now this vid has renewed my interest back in practicing. Thanks
Glad to help get you back into it! It’s a completely different beast, but it’s rewarding when you get it!
that 3d model was fantastic! Extremely helpful in understanding what's inside the lock.
Awesome video, I been struggling with picking disc retaining locks, I have the very same pick as you and I have been very frustrated trying to pick, now that I watched your video you have given me hope that I will succeed!! Thank you again, lot of work was put in your video, well done!
Great advice and very helpful!
Thank you for taking the time to do this!
Take Care ⭐️
Incredible tutorial!, very helpful!
Great job Jon! Even though I already knew about the topics covered. It was still really entertaining and well put together! I'm sure this will really be helpful for people new to DD picking. I sure wish it was around when I started DD locks.
Thanks! It was an effort to put it together, but it was a lot of fun to make the model, and like I said in the video I was genuinely frustrated at the beginning trying to pick DD locks and kinda felt stupid for not being able to pick them… I also noticed how many people seem to have bought a sparrows DD pick, but not too many DD pick posts/videos, and I was wondering if I was the only one struggling with it.
@@JonLock You're not alone, besides the words "picking & lock" there's nothing similar to what we've already learned. You really are starting from zero when you decide to learn DD locks.
Brilliant tutorial Jon and perfectly timed for me! I’ve just bought a Sparrows DD pick and 1 lock off eBay and spent about 4 hours without any success picking it. I sussed out problem points 1 and 2 myself in the trial and error process but never twigged that just because I got tension off disk 1 it might not be a front tension lock. It might just be me being rubbish at this but I’ll revisit my lock with this newly discovered knowledge with a glimmer of hope once more. Thank you
Hey Jon, nice video. For those looking to get into DD picking there are a few things I would recommend. First, find a lock that has been picked a lot and learn about it before you pick it, it's really helpful to draw from specific, collective knowledge. Second, using learning aids can really help, I've used combinations of cutaways and spacers to get better feedback, particularly for new or homemade tools. There are a few models of spacers I have made in the discord which reduce the total discs in the lock so you can get a feel for traversing the lock with better feedback. Cutaways for abloy locks can be done easily (particularly for the classic) which help to validate that what you feel is being translated to the lock correctly. Finally, just a small nitpick, the spacers in DD locks are reasonably important to the picking process. You need to be able to orient your pick in the next disc, that would be significantly more difficult without spacers. For that reason, the pick tip cannot be thicker than the spacers, thus they cannot be neglected in a deep dive on DD locks.
Absolutely true. I actually had a version where I talked about spacers and edited it out because it interrupted the flow of what I was trying to explain. I’m sure there would have been a way to get it in without confusing everyone, but I just didn’t find the right words, so I cut it out.
I was mostly focused on the theory of picking it, and not 100% everything about DDs… but there is a whole topic about navigating your pick through the lock that I couldn’t find a good way to cover in this video.
This helped. I just opened one that I struggled with.
WOW, nice video really amazing that you put in the effort and did a 3D-model. Nicely done!
ABUS X-Plus cores are always front tensioning, they give very good feedback and a lot of people use them in their bike locks you can get lucky from time to time to score one with a lost/broken key (got 2 like this for 1€ each).
Obstacles on these are only: False gates, slim spacers (needed to modify the sparrows picking tip a little) and this disc lock thingy before you start (easy to overcome though)
thank you!
Great content. Glad I found your channel via Reddit. Now subscribed.
Thanks for the support!
such nice work on the three dee - thank you for the time into this to make this happen.
An excellent video, with concise explanations. I'm now subscribed...
Thanks for the support and glad you found the video useful!
It was excellent explanation how work the disks platform lock . And nice tool too !!!)))
The Bestest !!!
Good luck.
Thank you very much! Thanks for the support.
@@JonLock
Thx to you!!!!
Excellent video. You have answered many questions I had. Your animations are great and very helpful. Thank you for this video.👍🦊
Very illuminating! Thanks!
Excellent video and thank you for sharing your hard work and generous knowledge.
I'm soon going to try my first DD lock, and this is a very informative and detailed video. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you! This was very helpful 👍
Excellent explanation, thank you
Thank you for this video, excellent information and animations, I did a dd lock a few months ago but I haven't done anything with it, your insight helps to get the right locks and tools to get started in learning about these locks.
Glad I could get some helpful info to you - good luck as your DD journey continues, it’s quite fun!
Thanks for the video. It's a good reference for when i move on to DD locks. I'm still at the beginning of picking and having fun learning spp. Looking forward to seeing more of your videos.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the support! Welcome to this awesome hobby! It’s a great one filled with super great people!
Mistake number 1 really didn't get resolved by the design of the Sparrows tool. It appears that the shaft reveal doesn't become short enough.
Decent explanations, nice graphics, however, here are a couple of things that may help.
1. File the tips of the turning head a little longer. On many locks, you may have a thick spinner to get past before you reach disc 1. Take a look at the turning tip on LPL's pick. LONG fork on that thing, easily filled into shape, just do it gradually, and only by hand. A dremel will heat the metal and destroy the temper, even if you manage to not over grind the turning tip. Also, you may have to shape the picking tip a little to get past the warding of some DD locks. Try not to take off more than you need to.
2. rather than trying to 3d print something if you don't have facilities, a small washer or two will also do quite nicely to help you maintain alignment of your pick tip.
3. The shaft of the turning tip is square, so you can rotate the turning tip 90º, to make your tensioning easier, depending on the orientation of the lock.
4. False gates. Many disc detainer locks have false gates on the discs and will require a lot more work to find the true gates. However, much of the principles are the same, rotating the binding disc until you find a gate, and moving on to the next binding disc. It may not, and probably will not be a linear process as you go through the stack of discs. Once they are in gates of any sort, then you will have to keep searching for the true gates.
5. Do not get discouraged, do not quit, you can do this. It may take a long time at first, but you will get it if you keep trying. If you don't, you will never get through them. Putting them down and waiting for a day when you feel like it gets you no closer to getting them open. Trying, getting frustrated to hell, putting them down for a bit to cool off then coming back to them DOES get you closer to open ing them. Disc Detainer locks are NOT easy to open, and they are not supposed to be. I have ones I still have yet to get an open, and have been trying for years. My first disc detainer locks were kryptonites, because I could find nothing else on hand, all center tensioning, and not easy, but through determination, I got most of them open, eventually, even designed my own disc detainer pick, which you can check out my tutorial vid on.
I hope these tips help.
Thank you!
Awesome video!!!!! Really great !!!
You give us X-ray vision 😀
Thank you so much!!!!
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Great job!
Hi Jon,
first of all great information and animations.
For the rear tensioned locks, you probably should have watched some of LPL's Videos.
He developed? that technique to open those rear or mid tensioned locks using the Pick that he made together with BosnianBill :)
Yup, it’s the one I discussed at the end of my video…. It works, but it’s not the best when learning how to pick a DD
Brilliant video thanks 🙏
Great video! Thanks
Do you have lock brands and models that I can try. Thanks for the tutorial.
I’m intrigued by this type of lock.
Great video jon, very informative. 👍
Nice video! Very informative.
Great informative video wish my how to DD video was that good lol I like you struggled with DD picking and found the biggest help was some spacers I designed and 3D printed (ps they fit onto the round holes in the sparrows case lol ) I’ve made loads hot people it seems to be on of the hardest things for new DD pickers
Awesome - thanks for putting out the spacers… it’s like learning to ride a bike with training wheels - learn one thing at a time rather than 5 things all at once!
@@JonLock DDs are great fun I’ve just started picking Abloy classics awesome fun 👍🏻
@@thecrappylockpicker4696 I have some Abloy tips headed my way, it’s my next stop on my DD journey (well maybe I’ll just the abus plus open first, we’ll see)
@@JonLock I have an abus plus padlock I can’t get any feedback on at all strange as I’ve picked the Abus sinus plus ?
Very nice!
What force is acting on the sidebar to create the disc binding?
it's spring loaded
I really don't fully understand. Could you type out how to pick a rear zero cut disc detainer lock with a front disc tensioning disc pick in basic steps.
You tension the front disc. You hopefully are able to pick the rest of the discs (it’s harder to detect the set, since the front disc is pushing out the sidebar). Then you use the picking tip to tension the last disc. With the last disc under tension you counter rotate the front disc using the top tensioner. If all of the other discs are set correctly the front disc will fall into its gate and the lock will open.
@@JonLock You a real one for typing that out for me.
Is there anyone who sells that stabilizer?
i use one of those cheap 5 pound rear tensioning picks just ground down it opens every chinese lock i tried so far still no open on my abus plus though
As someone working with an abus plus right now, it's helpful to know what generation abus plus you have. Does the one you own have both butterfly discs?
@@typeregal6525 i have one of the originals its non guttable rear tensioning (i think ) and no butterfly disks (i think)
@@unlockeduk if you have a flashlight, check to see if there are dark discs at the front or back of the core, those will be your butterfly discs. If you have the key it might also give you a middle disc to tension from.
@@typeregal6525 there are no 0 cuts on the key and cant see any black disks im fairly sure its an original model its the one in this video czcams.com/video/8Dd0-qrnDsM/video.html but obv not a cutaway lol
@@unlockeduk there has to be a zero cut somewhere or the cylinder wouldn't be able to turn.