Irish History - The RIC Carbine
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The RIC carbine was based on the early Enfield action and was purpose made for the RIC forces in Ireland. Not many RIC carbines exist in the US these days. - Zábava
It’s good to see you featuring an older military surplus rifle. That’s what I started watching your channel for. Bravo!
Same
I have to agree. But then, and this is in no way to take anything from MAC aka Tim, but that’s what certain other channels are for. Example of none, Forgotten Weapons. But again, I agree 100%. It’s nice to see Tim reach back into his roots, or rather, why he cut some of his teeth on when he first started YouTubing, is nice to see and have.
My paternal grandfather was in the RIC (until his death always lived in Ulster) and has spoken fondly about this weapon. On the other side of the fence my mothers dad who hated the RIC had one of the carbines as well but would never say how he got it. :)
Haha, I have a similar mix, one great grandfather in the RIC, one in the IRA. I have one's Webley VI, and one's Smith and Wesson .32 revolver, both deactivated sadly
More wood and steel please! Thanks MAC!
The RIC was an armed gendarmerie (not a 'paramilitary' police force) and was the model for the British Empire and the rest of the world. I came across an RIC Lee Metford Carbine in the 1980s which had been found in the attic of a house. The Enfield pattern rifle was developed by Edward Rigby, the Dublin gun maker. The Lee Metfords were manufactured by Birmingham Small Arms. Both Lee Metford and Lee Enfield used the same lee action.
The ric the ruc the b specials auxies and black n tans were terrorists or at best sectarian militias trying to defend an apartheid colony in a foreign nation through terror and murder. Please do not propagate ignorance.
Model of tyranny.
The rifles of the day with sights graduated to up to 2000m was for formations such as a company to engage in plunging fire at those distances in addition to the machine guns, i.e. as many rounds as possible into the beaten zone.
The old SMLE had that separate volley peep sight - I wonder how effective it was, a whole infantry company + doing a long range volley! Enough to keep the recipient's heads down anyway I guess...
@@wes11bravo probably pretty effective....when the Germans first encountered British troops using SMLEs in 1914, they thought they all had machine guns because they fired so fast.
@@wes11bravo - The channel "Mark and Sam After Work" - they're long-range shooters in Australia, did a video using those volley sights on an old Lee-Enfield, and they worked pretty darned well. Area fire, you know, not point targets at that distance.... but useful for the troops back then. En-mass volley fire probably went out of style when the Great War showed what modern crew-served weapons like artillery, mortars and machine-guns could do, but old habits die hard and they kept making rifles with graduations out to well past 1000 yards.
I’m jealous of your collection! Thanks for making these videos!
The RIC carbine is beautiful. Thank you for showing it. A couple of comments; the front sight is commonly called a "barley corn" sight. On your No. 1 rifle - the SMLE or "Smelly" - the cocking piece is a late style that simplified manufacture. The RIC carbine and WW1 rifles used the cocking piece as on the carbine. I have a 1916 London Small Arms No. 1 Mk III that I've owned over 60 years. It is very accurate. I paid $9.95 for it and an extra $1.25 for a bayonet.
Webley RIC revolvers are worth a look. They were 1860s cartridge guns in .455 much desired by other British troops fighting in South Africa. Happy St. Patrick's Day. Erin go bragh. ☘
I miss the classic MAC videos. That's what drew me to the channel originally.
Your videos featuring old guns like these are my favourite vids of yours MAC. It’s what got me watching all those years ago.
Very interesting old rifle, thanks Tim.
YES, THANK YOU !! Love the old milsurps. They're the reason I started collecting. More of this would be GREAT MAC !!😊
I miss the older military rifles on this channel because I to like to collect these old guns and ponder on their history and where they have been. It's a addiction and it's very hard to pass up a old rifle like that.
Great Show !!!!!
Cool rifle. I sure love my No.5. Smartest (accidental) thing I did was buy mutliple cases of Greek surplus "B" grade ammo when it was being blown out during the Greek financial crisis. Having a lifetime supply of good quality ammo makes it an extremely useful tool. Great video - more like these please!
I love old rifles. I recently restored an old 1916 M LE French Berthier in 8mm Lebel. Very long rifle, ammo is very hard to come by but PPU still makes it. The only thing I really need is the 5rd mag clip which I cannot find. It's a very accurate rifle and a lot of fun to shoot. I also kept the barb wire scars on the stock because of its amazing history.
Love to see classic MAC vids
What a great video. I'm British, live in the UK and have fairly good knowledge of the historical relationship of Irish/UK "issues" shall we say. I was fascinated by the technical and historical issues you managed to impart so concisely. Was not aware that this weapon existed. Bravo.
Never seen it before! Another learning experience!!
My first love is surplus arms, especially WW1 and WW2 ERA. Thanks for sharing brother. Great video.
God bless all here.
Great video and history lesson.
I absolutely love old military surplus. The history is what got me interested in firearms when I was but a wee boy.
I appreciate seeing rare pieces like this showcased, especially considering its significance in Irish history. It's a reminder of the diverse array of firearms used throughout different periods and regions.
Thanks for sharing. I consider myself well informed on the Enfields, SMLE's in general but had never heard of this particular iteration. I'm the same way with modern and historic firearms.
Thanks for the history
What a neat little rifle! I love the old carbines.
Happy St Patrick’s Day
I have my 1941 Lithgow No.1 MkIII* sitting next to me as I am cleaning it and watching this vid. Going to take it out need weekend to get a Red Deer in my Brothers farm in Central Otago NZ. Should be good for the freezer. Old and still works :) I love my Lee Enfields!
Cool gun. MAC giving us a history lesson 😊
Something I've never heard of before, thanks. Looks like a handy carbine.
Love the old stuff.
Thanks. I’d never seen one before.
Nice '' Great Stuff '' Another Great Video 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Love it!
I didn't know Mac was a gunny? With them rolls lol. Great video
That's a beautiful piece with a ton of history behind it. Probably used first in the Sudan, then South Africa against the Boers re-purposed by the R.I.C. captured by the I.R.A and used widely in the Irish war of independence. Thanks for sharing.
When will you do a video on the New Zealand Rough Riders Carbine? I have both RIC and the Rough Riders versions, These are great collector items and very few remain!
Here in Canada, seems to me… the nwmp … now known as the rcmp was modeled on the ric
I'm totally with you on history. I love studying history as well as shooting older guns. There's an old saying, "you can't know where you're going if you don't know where you've been." Thank you for bringing this old war horse to us.
I like these older arms as well. I may not know the history, but like you said, they do have history
I would I guess debate you about the kick, comparing it to a 12 gauge. I used to own a mk IV Enfield, that had been sporterized. A lot of the wood furniture removed, from around the barrel, etc. It too had a brass butt plate. I bought loose ammo from the old Yellow Front store, that had a wooden crate full of loose 303 rounds, I think I paid a dime each for. First time to fire it, I took it out into the desert, 10 rounds in the magazine ... and fired the first round. I don't know why I was determined to empty the magazine ... but 4 rounds from my shoulder (and I have fired a lot of bird shot through 12 gauge shotguns), and my shoulder was in pain. I did empty the magazine, but fired the last 6 rounds from my thigh. And the following day, my shoulder was Black and Blue, as was my thigh. It was a beast ... why I said I USED TO OWN ... I sold it within about six months with the remaining 40 rounds of .303 ammo.
Wow wear can i get one ? they are cool. THANKS for showing.
Was your Lee ENFIELD No1MK3 refinished. Also what year was it manufactured? Crazy Canuck question. Thank you for the video 😊
Great video, just curious: how was she grouping? Accuracy on the old warhorse?
The EM2 was technically adopted by Britain before the FAL, but that’s a whole other story!
Great video i really like the old infield rifles and it blows my mind that people dont know the difference of how the firing mechanism works over a 700 in my opinion i think its better
Many RIC officers used bicycles the carbine would usually lie across a couple of hooks attached to the top of the bicycle frame
Also in Germany of those era, many rural policemen had bycicles. In my region , former Kingdom Württemberg, the rural police was called Landjäger. In my nearer homeregion, the villages are close together ( a distance of only two miles is not uncommon) so a single policeman had to look for three villages, so a bycicle was a practical thing then. This shows, Germany was rather peacefull then, compared to now, the people had been german , lawfull and disciplined.
In addition to the state payed Landjäger, there had been town payed policemen in larger towns , and in every village or town had been lowpayed part time / auxillary security personal long into 20th century: Nachtwächter - nightwatchmen, Büttel/ Amtsdiener- town crier, Feldschütz- fields guard, those Village payed auxillary personal usually had no firearms.
The SMLE looks like it could be an Aussie SMLE, perhaps FTR, that has been restocked?
These are cool if you already have a/an SMLE or no 4. Before I had my smle, I debated getting one of these, but I'm glad I got the smle. Maybe I'll pick one up some day.
You beat Ian to an obscure, historically interesting gun. Hats off!
I think Ian covered it a few years ago
Yeah, you have to show this video now. I went into a local pawn shop today and saw two Enfields and (the one I really wanted) a Ruger Old Army cap and ball revolver!! 😂
I enjoy this kind of video, as these rifles are cool. Makes me want to go hug my K31 now.
I like how "SMLE" rolls off the tongue
Is a sporterized version of that rifle what Val Kilmer (Col. Patterson) used in the movie The Ghost and the Darkness?
On family vacation in Canada (1960s) the Army/Navy Surplus store had steel trash cans filled with SMLEs. Sign said: "Your choice, $7".
A number 4 mk 2 put many pounds of deer meat in the freezer for my family for years. Love em
Do You have the 7.5mm French conversion of the Berthier the M34 in the collection?
I’d point out that with 3D printing these days, making hard to find and get parts is that much easier to make and thus, get.
Slip of the tongue, the RIC carbine does not have an internal magazine, but a smaller detachable magazine. And the SMLE No 1 mk III did have a magazine cutoff, deleted on the * model along with the volley sights
So how does the RIC Carbine compare to the Mk5 Jungle Carbine?
Dang that rifle looks cool. 👍
The beauty of these older firearms elegant to say the least. The Cost for arming a nation with these highly engineered and sweet lined guns would be astronomical! But they are still here 100+ years later and will be here in another hundred, can James say the same about modern firearms? I put Wolff gun springs in my military surplus firearms and they work just like they came out of the National Armory! Lol
Tiocfaidh ár lá
The RIC can póg mo thóin. God Bless the Republic!
It's unfortunate that not many of these carbines are found in the US anymore, but their rarity only enhances their allure for collectors and enthusiasts alike. Would love to see more videos exploring the intricacies of vintage firearms like this one!
The RIC carbines were modified Lee Speed Enfields. The 10rd mags from the Lee will swap in.
You should lend that carbine to Ian McCollum over at Forgotten Weapons and let him do a video on it. Better still lend it to Othais over at C&Rsenal and let him do a really deep dive on the weapon's history. Plus it would be nice to see Mae put a few rounds through it.
safety based on the lee speed. that is a rare Carbine now.
Artillery carbines often have bayonet lugs.
Volley fire was used to engage long range targets. The squad would be told the designated target and range. An order to fire. The strikes observed and adjusted like artillery. One bullet might miss a barn door at 2000 meters. But ten at once gave feedback. As an area weapon.
There were marching formations and such as well.
The seniors with bolt action Mausers and captured SMLEs were effective.
I recall the method being used by soldiers on the plains against natives who thought themselves well out of rangers.
Volley fire is effective in disrupting sniper positions.
AH- "We will help the Irish when they ask for help." ( Stealing from us.)
Hey you're missing one rifle in between it's known as a SAAM the LEE Metford being transferred to enfield .they have the original bolt with the option of a newer safety mechanism ,also features the magazine cut off with a 10 round chained mag 😏🙄🙊👌😎
Was that the weapon of the black & tan?
I took a friend from work (OEF vet) out to shoot, and he was shocked at the recoil from a mosin.
We are spoiled nowadays.
Interesting short rifle (carbine seems out of place on this rifle). Regardless, is this the rifle Val Kilmer's character used in The Ghost and the Darkness?
It's a cool rifle. Legit it's a really cool rifle
But you used the analogy of the US taking up arms against the British in reference to a rifle issued to loyalists to the British Crown to combat an independence movement.
Very cool carbine’ never handled one’ good to see something rare and barely ever talked about’
To think like James Reeves one must first put in tactical daisy dukes....uhhh from 5.11 i guess lol
Will the RIC take the standard ten round mag?
Nice
I need to get me some old military surplus guns
I never thought the 303 kicked very much, even in a Jungle Carbine. Just roll with it. You can shoot a milsurp all day without bruising your shoulder. 🤠
It's really not bad. The worst kicking normal cartridge rifle I have shot was some super light hunting rifle in 30-06.
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Nice. Also good point to note, the RIC, based on the British colonial Police Force, had height restrictions for its officers. They had to be over 6' at least (possibly 6'6"), so imagine that tiny carbine in their hands, recoil, what recoil.
False the minimum was 5.9 stop making up fantasy
@@georgestem2039 You are correct, they even reduced it to 5'8 in 1914. I obviously dreamed it up.
Shoutout to calvary carbines, one of my favorite genders
I'm Irish a lot of those guns were captured and used by the IRA against the British in the 1920s
The Irish used these rifles very effectively to kill their original owners. General Tom Barry had only 110 rifles in the west cork flying column and 300 total in all three battalions in county cork. They humiliated and defeated 15,000 brit troops not including naval personnel in the county.
A history question....was the RIC the same as the 'Black & Tans'?
Technically yes, they were recruited as regular constabulary although they received far less training than the existing officers, it was thought their prior military training (as they were drawn from WW1 veterans) would make up for it...turns out it didn't. They were seen as ill-disciplined and trigger-happy. Not a good combination.
There was also the Auxiliary Division of the RIC which are often conflated with the black and tans as they wore similar uniforms. These were separate independent paramilitary force of the RIC. They were actually far worse and had a reputation for drunkenness, brutality and committed some of the worst atrocities of the period. They were even hated by members of the RIC, that'll tell you how bad they were.
I love the brass butt on the stock. Like the 1903 Springfield, Mosin, M1Garand, M14, even the M16A1-M16A4 had metal. On the old CAR15 the entire collapsible stock was metal. I don't think the butt stocks of todays modern carbines are capable of caving in anyone's skull.
Do they even teach the "Butt Stroke" and "Smash" anymore? Let alone short thrust, long thrust, and lunging thrust with the bayonet? Probably politically incorrect to even say those terms now.
Ok who shot up the sun visor cardboard in the window. Lol
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The history…..so eloquently put.
Royal Irish Constabulary were British, the clue is in the name
About calvalery charges in ww2. Russians were doing theese after German invasion more than once. Most armies have those types of units. Poles weren't unique in this matter. Germans use thousends of hourses during the war.
What is the price range for this type of rifle?
$1500-$2000
Lee Metford resigned. Leftovers of the Boer war. Also given to Greece
Butt plate. Brass is softer than steel !
While this is a nice carbine, I think I would prefer the Lee Enfield jungle carbine.
Just so you know, YT's playing games with my subscriptions again. I didn't get notified of this video. I stumbled across it accidentally. I unsubscribed then re-subscribed.
Thugs would be a more accurate description of RUC or RIC.
That's not Irish history, that is part of the British Rule colonial period of British history in Ireland. . Irish people were banned from owning firearms and using their own language during this period while being starved to death by forces using this rifle when numerous tonnes of food were shipped to England. Irish men used Howth Mauser's during the Easter Rising and some other varied weapons both captured and smuggled.