4 (More) Lies Theists Tell About Atheists
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Some theists believe and tell several lies about atheists, usually, in my opinion, out of ignorance. Four of the lies I tackle here are that atheists believe everything came from nothing, you have to have faith to be an atheist, true atheists wouldn’t talk about religion so much, and that atheists have no meaning in their lives. Religious media, and even respected apologists, often propagate all these falsehoods with "clever" lines like "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist!" It’s time that we do away with them for everyone’s sake.
My first video on the subject:
“5 Lies Theists Tell About Atheists”
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What misrepresentations of atheists do you hear most often? Any that I haven't addressed in my videos?
That I am "misinterpreting" the Bible because I'm an atheist. Doesn't matter the first time I read it I was still a Christian.
Being an atheist for decades the one misconception is the lack of morality.
I am also an A.B.D. in developmental psychology at the moment, and I have experience of religion living within the Bible belt.
I dislike the misconception of a lack of morality because it says to me, unless there is someone watching you, you will do immoral things. The unpaid babysitter concept.
It is hurtful because more often than not, I know countless more religious people than atheists, and I can rarely think of a person that is even close to the moral lines they prescribe to other people. It is a shield to say they're religious.
It tells me they want to live without fear, and without accountability. This makes me saddened. We should want to be moral without God first. Stealing, rape, murder, mestation, lying, manipulation, fraud, and apathy to injustice flood people who say there is a master plan, and feel justified.
Personally, this why I feel our politicians in the U.S. live and act the way they do. Manifest destiny. They believe they're justified because they're rich. They think they're blessed, so they must continue to give to private interests instead of their constitutes.
What is nothing, nobody knows no one ever saw it.
Can an atheist differentiate between truth and facts better than theists?
"Atheism is believe that there is no god, thus it requires faith."
As an atheist, I'll stop talking about religion when religion stops trying to destroy education and women's rights.
EDIT; yes, also lgbtq rights.
what do you mean by "education and women's rights" ?
@@mariolis far right christian sects. Like westborow baptists
@@mariolis......I think he is talking about theists trying to ban teaching evolution, and trying push creationism in the school system. And also I believe he means that a woman should be allowed to decide what happens with her own body. Also known as bodily autonomy.
@@mariolis some schools prioritize religious indoctrination over actual education and some sects of Christianity and cults do not value women's rights.
Michael Finnigan: That would be islam.
“Discussion of religion is every person’s business, until religion ceases to insert itself into every person’s business.” Brilliant!
for real
@Nathan Jereb same
@Nathan Jereb Ah, gross capitalistic consumerism.
Yes, you're clearly much better than those _religious_ people.
My frustration tends to be when the discussion is forced into topics where it doesn't really need to be, regardless of if an atheist or a theist are the ones doing it. A discussion about a fictional religion among a fictional race of sentient lizard people probably isn't the place to try and start a heated debate about whether or not it's morally incorrect to believe in a religion in real life and whether or not religious or non religious people are morally reprehensible? But idk, that's just me.
@Nathan Jereb No, I really don't. There's nothing to suggest religion is going away.
Or are you planning some sort of terror attack? Are you an extremist?
In my humble opinion as a former Christian, atheism is only emotionally difficult because I can no longer lie to myself and brush things off with idioms like "God works in mysterious ways" or the classic "It's the work of the devil". There answers satisfied me as a child, but no longer carry much weight.
Also - theists think that atheists are proud or something of themselves. No, I would love to think that there is something after dying, or that life and world have meanings, but I can't lie to myself.
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Fair enough but you have a God regardless if any religon or belief. Your belief doesn't manufacture God. You are a creature manufactured by God be real with that reality
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 What makes you so egotistical that you'd think humans got created for a reason? We could just be an accident that turned out interesting. Like a Bob Ross painting.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 U misspelled Dog again, get grammarly or something man!
Another point about “A true atheist wouldn’t talk about religion so much”: many atheists, especially those who are ex-theists, are deeply interested in the topics of religion, philosophy, etc. because of how much thought we’ve put into it. I personally think philosophical discussions about the existence or non-existence of a god are fascinating; moreover, I value the pursuit of truth, and that includes whether or not religions are true. So, although I never discuss religion with theists unless they make it clear they want to first, of course I’m going to talk about religion. It’s ridiculous to say that I shouldn’t.
Yeah, I'm an atheist and I love to discuss Theology with my religious friends. It´s awesome to hear how well thought-out Theology can be, even if I do not agree with the existence of a god.
Hi guys. I’m an evangelical Christian. I am pasting links to some video testimonies of near death experiences. I really urge you to watch them and make your own conclusions. Here are the links:
1) "Full: hell is real i went there! story of Jennifer Lopez"
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2) “Scariest hell testimony ever” czcams.com/video/18Os663dF0U/video.html
3) "23 minutes in hell by Bill Wiese" czcams.com/video/5obMsaXLYyI/video.html
4) "Atheist sees unimaginable levels of torment in hell (Bryan Melvin NDE)" czcams.com/video/pmp3UNjeu0k/video.html
Life is meaningless without Jesus. How can an atheist have meaning in their life knowing nothing happens when they die and that there's no God who loves them?.
@@RobotNinjaDestroyer I make my own meaning in this life, I try to live it to the fullest and make sure I do something important with it. I don’t pin it all on whatever happens after I die
Yeah, instead of praying while destroying the world, let's plant tree and found out how to communicating with the universe itself. Not debating about that there's no ghost and God, ghost sometime really exist, but we don't need to disturb then just to realize that they are exist, and you can use the same logic to those religion-tard
BTW im ASIAN so you may think its strange to understand my trust on UNIVERSE that alive, but sure those religion-tard (not all) ruined the God existence itself
If you're a Christian and you want atheists to leave religion alone, then just be a Christian and stop evangelizing and stop imposing your religion on society.
While you're at it: Be a good Christian and follow Matthew 6:5-6 by keeping your faith secret instead of trumpeting it in public.
Unfortunately it's a part of the belief system.
They skip that part in the book of Mathew.
Sadly, NOT proselytizing is, for many Christians, inconsistent with their religion. They believe that they are REQUIRED to spread the "Good Word."
@@ajm5007 Classic contradiction™
I have to say......
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What annoys me the most is when people make fun of the big bang for being an "explosion that CREATED LIFE". Like Did you even bother to study what you're criticizing?
@@lucas9030 IKR my family are theists who think the idea of us evolving from a common ancestor of us and chimps is completely preposterous but the idea of a random magical guy in the sky, perfectly plausible.
Edit: there are people telling me that we evolved from a common ancestor of us and chimps rather than chimps themselves but no one is telling me the name of that common ancestor so if anyone knows please lmk
It's a misrepresentation, the "Big Bang" was not an explosion. I mean really, there was nothing to explode. We can't "see" that far back so nobody has any real idea what happened.
Generally, no, they don’t bother to study what they’re criticizing.
@@TACOINSURANCE if so then talking to them is worthless, one side gets misrepresented all the time lol
@@falsered13 I know right? Somehow, these people think that evolution over millions of years from a common ancestor and many transitional species is impossible yet the idea of a invisible magic man in the sky making us with a golem spell is somehow more reasonable.
I've gotten the "Atheists have not read [insert religious text] otherwise they would be theists" a lot
I tried to read The Bible once. I failed. I gave up after three chapters of Genesis because I couldn't stand the abysmal quality of the writing.
I read the bible (I was secretly an athiest in a christian school and family) and I was never thiest once or even considered actaully becoming thiest, I just faked it... until I snapped.
The Bible is so badly written. It's just all over the place for one thing. I love how people try to convince themselves it's a master piece.
I would wager that 99% of christians have never read the whole Bible. They only read select passages that have been pre digested for them. There is some disturbing stuff in there. The ones that read the whole thing are the most likely to become athiests.
As a devout Catholic, the Bible was never meant to be literally correct. The problem with most theists is that they don't understand enough about their faith for it to be logical at all. For example, the real Christian teaching isn't that one time God just decided to will everything into existence the way we see it today. We believe that God created the forces and materials that make up the universe, then the Big Bang, and then science and history play out as we know it today. That's why I respect your beliefs as atheists, because most Christians don't even know that.
I think “finding meaning” is irrelevant. I enjoy life. I don’t need a reason to.
See, you get it!
The meaning of life is to have some goddamn fun and spread love
You don't look at a rainbow and question why it exists, you can explain how. You can't find a reason that it exists however.
Or you could stop exhuasting yourself and just appreciate its subjective beauty.
Thank you my friend!
@@merekcook573 If anything, the fact that things exist for possibly no reason makes it even better because, it doesn't need too, but hey, it's there anyway, just like us, and that's cool
I like feeding crows with dog food
Edit: misspelling
One point that I, as an atheist, like to make is this:
When I'm accused of not knowing where everything (i.e., the universe) came from, or that I think it all came from nothing, I simply ask that person, "Isn't the same thing true of your God? Can you tell me where God came from? If he was always here, how and why? When you claim the answer to the existence of everything is God, you haven't answered anything--you're just moving the question from what I call the universe to what you call God."
They don't feel the need to ask how. They stop at 'God just is' because actually asking the questions and omitting their necessary special pleading would lead to uncomfortable truths.
To them, God is the "End all, be all", "The Alpha, and Omega." "The beginning and The End." To them, God is their only meaning in life. Life is pointless, and empty without God. I was taught that Atheists were Nihilists. All of that turned out be hogwash. Once when I actually listened to an Atheist, it became clear that Atheists are more Human than Christians. I can't make myself believe in a "God" that has never made himself manifest. If I want to live in a Fantasy world, I'll just play Skyrim.
@@andrewn8002 honestly even the nine divines have more personality than their God. Each God has their own personality and things they favor and dislike and they are often very understandable with their beliefs. Whereas "God" literally contradicts himself on multiple occasions and often is very warlike and hostile.
The universe requires to be God or have one. So you failed at making a point. Fact is you are a creature and you have a God regardless
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 are you really saying you understand anything about this universe? Tell me why it needs a God and why it's your God especially and not the thousands of other ones that are equally as convincing.
I felt the one about how atheists shouldn’t talk about religion a lot. I talk about religion much more now than when I was a believer, and that’s because I finally feel free to examine and criticize religion for what it is without feeling like I was committing a host of thought crimes. I mostly keep it to myself, but the friends who do know that I’m no longer a believe just kind of brush me off when I talk about religion because they think I’m just bitter and like to talk trash about it. “Why talk about it when it doesn’t affect you anymore?” except it DOES. All of my family is religious and I live in a very religious community, I have to deal with it 25/8! And I still have to deal with people trying to rope me into their religious thinking and beliefs, it’s not that simple. It’s hard to see that as I believer, I know, because they agree with most religious talk or whatever, but sometimes I wish I had more people around me who truly understood that I’m not just a hater of religion just to be a hater. I criticize harmful religious thinking and ideals because it’s not exempt from criticism.
@Eastern fence Lizard I was about to say the same thing
@Eastern fence Lizard I understand how he feels. Sometimes they make the days and weeks seem longer, much longer. Especially if one is surrounded by people holding massive assumptions of false certainty and just not going along with it, instead actually thinking, is seen as dissing their religion. It can be exhausting.
As for myself, I've always been fascinated by religion. I was raised in a secular household and was only exposed to religion through media and occasionally through friends. The concept of believing in a supernatural overlord was so alien to me that I asked a lot of inconvenient questions as a child. As an adult, I still wish I could ask those questions of my religious friends, but it can be hard to ask questions without appearing to challenge their belief system. I've never believed in a god, and I really like talking about religion. Yeah, religion affects my daily life, but I'm also interested in a common human experience that I've never had!
as a believer im sorry you had to feel this way and i know its everywhere. the idea that you’re not allowed to ask questions or youd get in trouble or something and i think thats what hold many captives to a belief that isnt truly theirs but their families or parents. honestly when someone challenges my thinking, to me it just broadens my understanding and allows me to search where i otherwise wouldn’t have because of my convictions. Questions are good conversation also from all parties and they shouldn’t be feared which is what theists communities could make it to be.
@@joseulloa5820 This! Many aggressively religious people seem to view questions as an attack. When I ask about inconsistencies in their holy book and whether that affects their faith, I'm either attacking their faith or just incapable of understanding THE TRUTH because I haven't found Jesus or whatever. I wish more religious people would engage with these questions from us nonbelievers. We genuinely don't understand and want to learn!
"a true atheist wouldn't talk about religion so much" is like "a person who really lives in 2020 wouldn't talk about history so much"
People have interests and the talk about them
....and? How will this not make you have a God somehow?
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 if you mean "a god" as in something you believe like " truth of history " yes or "dance" okay... if you mean a REAL god ..... no
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 That's hardly even related, but please give me the other side that makes me have a god, I'm curious
@@royalblanket nature is your God. That what atheists believe sweetheart unless you believe aliens are or created a matrix. You can't escape having a God unfortunately sweetie cakes
You seem rather confident in that statement for someone who clearly hasn't the first clue how Atheists think.
If we thought like you and needed divine validation just to exist and operate, we'd be in the pews just like you. The fact that we don't already drives a wedge in-between how Atheists think compared to you, yet you seriously think you, a non-Atheist, has any grounds whatsoever to posit why Atheists do things when you can't even grasp the most basic aspect like "We Do Not Believe In Deities"?
How does someone with zero interest in deities seek out yet more deities?
"I had actually been more of a nihilist as a Christian than I was as an atheist." Insightful, Drew. Keep it up.
Fitting video, recently I was talking with a stranger and it came up in the conversation that I was an atheist, She looked very surprised and asked me who controlled my life or in what I put my faith in and I explained that I managed my own life and that I could put my faith in different people depending upon the situation (a doctor if I was sick, a lawyer with legal stuff, etc) and all she said back to me was that I was very egotistical thinking I or other humans could replace God.
I think that people are quick to assume that I will blindly follow my guts or anything a professional say without making research of my own (and maybe they think that because that is what they do with God and religious leaders)
I‘m confused. How is that egoistic? Doesn’t this person know the definition of „egoism“?
@@lenastorm6280 maybe she was thinking "egocentric" and confused the words but I still don't quite understand her point
she can't grasp that "replacing god" doesn't even make sense to atheists.
I think i would have said something along the lines of "i don't think other humans can replace God, but God doesn't exist so i have to make do with other humans".
I'm glad that I'm from an Atheist majority country, even the Religious Fundamentalists here I know don't talk so assumptive, probably because they all interact with us, the Atheist majority, on a daily basis, have Atheist friends and Atheist family members, and Atheist colleagues.
Perhaps she acted like that because she does not know that many Atheists as a frame of reference and just projects negative things onto us.
To a theist, the "I don't know" answer is just impossible. These are people who believe an all mighty creature cares a lot about them, so humility is usually not the best trait. They see this answer as a weakness, since it doesn't give the emotional response they feel in religion, and if it feels good, it feels right.
That may all be true. I consider the "I don't know"
-answer as a lesson in intellectual honesty.
If they ever admit that they don’t actually know something, then that’s the creeping doubt that suggests that the answer could come from something outside their religion or from another religion entirely. And for fundamentalists, that can’t happen.
Theists draw inspiration, and hope from their religion. To have doubt is frowned upon, and this promotes the idea that the individual must devote themself to "knowing" something, even if science points out they are totally wrong, even if it has been proven to be incorrect.
As a theist, I partially agree with you, in that I cannot say I know for certain that my perspective is correct, I simply have a strong inclination to believe it is so.
On the other hand though, I don’t know is a completely useless answer unless you actually have some way of figuring it out, which in our case is at present impossible until we shuffle off the mortal coil, either into the afterlife, or oblivion.
@@allthenewsordeath5772 people like you I respect because of what you put in your comment! I myself don't follow God but I'm happy to keep an open mind on if the big man is up there or not.
Homicide investigators shouldn't talk about homicide so much. They say they are against it, but it's clear from how much they talk about it that they are really obsessed with it. I suspect that they secretly support it and believe in it.
I love this.
Obviously they want more homicides or they would all be out of a job!
Well funny but didn't know being atheist was a job lmao
@@FumanyuX they don't have to be to be personally committed to ending the enormous damage religion imposes on society.
@@FumanyuX Talk about missing the point...
I love that I just found your channel! I just left Mormonism and started sharing my journey on CZcams as well. Would love to collab with you some time. Leaving Mormonism was the most traumatic thing that ever happened to me.
Mate, good on you!
We welcome you with love and warm open arms💜
It's never easy losing the faith, but the wounds heal and overcome
OOOF I know the feeling! I left Scientology in my teens after being raised in it for my whole youth. It's crazy how much anxiety and concern some beliefs can instill in you subconsciously without you even realizing because that's just how you were raised.
@@brandongriest44 glad ya got out of there, my guy. Hope you're doing good
did they make you turn in your magic underwear?
It is traumatic, we base a lot of our identity off of our religion that when it's seems like it's wrong it feels like you are a lie. You aren't who you think you are.
Its hard, and trust that there will be other people who've gone through the same thing :)
I am a Christian and I really appreciate watching your videos against theists. It shows me where others went wrong and what to avoid. It's also interesting to see a different view on things. Thanks for posting these.
Good for you (this isn't ment to be sarcastic, it would probably read that way because internet).
As someone who's kind of transitioning from agnostic to Christian modernist, I still find lots of value in watching such atheist channels as well. For one, it can be a check to shine light on certain Christian hypocrisies that can more easily be seen from an outside perspective while also showing misconceptions from multiple angles.
@@cuckoophendula8211 I don’t understand the term, “Christian Modernist”. I’m not trying to be funny, but that sounds like an oxymoron. Christianity cannot exist without the foundation on which it was built, going all the way back to the Abrahamic creation myth.
@Nihal H As they should. But without the original sin, there was no need for Jesus to be born so that he could die to allow the original sin to be forgiven.
I am an atheist and I really appreciate your comment. I believe that the conversation we could have about meaning would be meaningless until we can learn to love one another without judgment.
I’m an Atheist and my best friend is a Christian, and we have been best friends for almost 50 years now. His wife, kids and I all get a long really well. So there is really no reason that we all shouldn’t be able to get along in this world. His youngest child is just finishing his training to be a minister. My best friend has always had a playful “devilish” streak and has lately taken manipulating situations so that his youngest son and I will get into an Atheist vs Christian debate. So far by his score his son is loosing. But still, we only take this as healthy debate not Atheist / Christian bashing.
Respect all.
My wife and I will soon be celebrating our 25th anniversary.
I am an Atheist. She is a Christian.
Neither of us has any reason to question our love or commitment.
There is no valid reason for us to be enemies.
I've never met another Atheist who doesn't understand that, but many Theists over the years have been shocked that we can "make it work" together.
I admit, their reactions to - and opinions about - our union still boggle my mind.
Believe me, as an atheist I respect everyone and I don't receive the same treatment back, the only reason believers don't kill every atheist nowadays (as done in the past) is becuase of the law and the modern times where there are cameras everywhere. But don't be fooled, any religious would wish to take an atheist life just like that, don't be fooled, believers are hypocrites, talking about goodness, kindness and well-being, but they are totally morally bankrupt
@Rudi I feel like this is the exact kind of misinformation Drew is trying to tell us not to spread. It's an extreme generalization to say that "any religious would wish to take an atheist life", and it cannot be backed up by empirical evidence. It's ludicrous to say something like that, and in saying so you're acting exactly like the select thiests you're criticizing. Historically, yes, the church has treated non believers extremely harshly, but it's not necessarily because of Christianity itself. If you look at many corporations in the modern day (Nestle, Levi's, Apple, etc.), many that aren't religious at all, you'll see a shockingly similar lack of regard for human life, this makes me believe it's less a religion issue and more an issue of greed and misplaced survival instinct. Please stop spreading outright lies like this, it damages conversation just as much as thiest lies about atheists
@@ChiggaChiggaBruh what kind of bullshit are you telling, religious say atheists are killers, they say that when their own morality is compromised for they literally would commit any kind of crime and sins if there was not a god or they would not believe in god, this what you call moral bankrupt, and I will not stand back to religious people, even though I want the best for everyone I do have a problem with religious ideas, not just because they also have a problem with me but because religion is the actual end of society, religion is what create walls between people and not bridges, religious fight rought so should we, but again, the problem is religion itself not the people, but sadly it makes good people do bad things and say stupid things
"What did God or Jesus do to hurt you?" Is one of my favorites.
And God is your God and Jesus is your master.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 and Santa Claus is gonna give us presents
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 The Great horned rat poison-tricks you, man-thing
"i was born, thats what he did." lol
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 troll
Empathy and a willingness to listen from both sides is so true.
Living in Scandinavia, the table’s turned. I had a work colleague who once mentioned he was ordained, just in passing. He was never overt about it, never preaching to us co-workers or anything. Me, who’d never actually met a self-described believer, got curious, sat down and talked with him about faith and him living and preaching as a Christian. After a while he said he was very grateful that I didn’t ridicule his faith or blamed his god for children’s cancer or the crusades and whatnot, which was what he was used to.
That conversation really got me thinking about how to behave as an atheist
Good way to put it, but generally I merely try to imply or claim, as to why He'd WANT such things, or ever choose not to do anything about them (especially after being all too willing to intervene in prior epochs)
The calm before the comment storm
Can't wait!
Brace yourself, it's coming!
I already got my popcorn ready to go
Jesus won't be calming this one
Be prepared
"Atheist's don't celebrate birthdays."
This is what I was 'informed' of by my manager at work in a very tiny town in Texas. How can one even begin to draw a parallel between these 2 things. I felt forced to quickly inform him the only position required to meet the usage of the atheist label. Tho, I suspect he'll eagerly continue to make this ridiculous assertion.
I heard that the early church didn't celebrate birthdays because it was a pagan thing to do
@@moistness482 I was unaware of that. Thanks for helping me to better understand the level of dishonesty underlying that remark. (Not that I necessarily think my manager is the one who came to this conclusion... He actually has less sense than a penny)
Knowing your birthday was uncommon for the masses until recently.
Jesus probably didn't know when his birthday was.
@@stephenolan5539 There are but a couple unnecessary assumptions contained within that suggestion.
-There was a birth.
-There was only one person the narrative is based upon.
@@joelhammer2847
For most people there is also the assumption that celebrating birthdays has always been a thing.
I think it's horrible that your catchphrase isn't "and remember, stay Drew to yourself!"
It is equally a shame that you didn't call yourself the Swiftest of Taylors.
@@whigmin5436 The Saylor of the seven seas
Twift on the outside but all Saylor on the inside
The Twift with the gift
@@gownerjones Kudos. Mind blown. All the best
@Courtney St. Louis No, I just play that guy on TV.
I am Droo
"If you'd like to understand where a specific atheist you know stands on the issues...it's best if you just politely ask that person."
Let's be real: this needs to be said a lot more often and goes for everyone, not just theists / atheists. Very rarely does a person fit 100% into any label, be it liberal or conservative or atheist or Muslim or Democrat or Republican or Nintendo or PC. If you're not certain what someone believes, ask. If you think you know what someone believes, _definitely_ ask.
As the former owner of several individual Nintendo I can confirm that most of these consoles seem to have their own temperament, and that I've lost more than one argument with my NES about which game I'm allowed to play that day.
Jokes about how hard it is to get an NES game to work aside, this is a very very good point and asking for clarification is one of the best talking skills I accidentally found. That way you can actually tailor your response and generally know if that person is a dick and therefore if you can burn that bridge in peace, or should actually just agree to disagree because the person's pleasant otherwise.
I dunno, those Linux people sure do act weird...
All I hear "well you believe in nothing" and "you have a religion...it's science" 🤦♀️
I feel that, Constantly hearing my brother constantly say "scientism" gets pretty annoying
Some theists have the misconception that atheists think in the same manner they do.
Its why they start chucking around so many ‘-isms’ when they talk about both atheists and scientific concepts.
You could say the same about theists and it would fit much more.
@@samalextij445 Same thing from my aunt, who was not happy when I pointed out she ran to science to cure her breast cancer, not prayer.
You atheists try to replace God with science a very desperate attempt by a creature to not have a God. Sorry but you have one.
"Maybe you don´t believe hard enough"
was shitty to hear that as a child, made me feel guilty
And you should feel that way for rejecting your God. Creature
Head MCD no mind, he's though the comment section insulting all who challenge god
@@cyanchaos4490 you're an actual creature you have an actual God. Grow up. Nevermind your own delusions thinking you can be a creature and have no God.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Hmm, can you give proof of your claims? Or are you going to call me a creature again and say the equivalent of "look around, this is the proof"
Your argument is weak as it is currently
@@cyanchaos4490 you are proof creature do your own work
The one thing that seems so difficult for theists to get is that having an answer doesn't mean it's true
Hey am a Christian minister and i love how respectful and well spoken you are and this video has straightened out some misconceptions i had about what atheists believe or don't believe also for me the question of the existence of A God is not a question for me i completely believe God does exist ...i however think they are a number of things that seem very inaccurate in representing him in Christianity e.g a loving God allowing slavery and the list is long ..i think if we would all be honest enough especially theists to say "'i dont know'' and keep seeking truth by asking questions we would all get to a better place
As a former Christian, I would love it if y'all had a summit meeting to discuss what teachings you actually believed in and released a new edition of the Bible containing that and only that. The Old Testament could be given a brief mention in a paragraph or two.
Hi. I finally came out as an atheist this year thanks to your videos. I became an atheist first in 2014 but It was a decision that weighed too much on my life as a teenager then that I silenced my senses and became theist again. Earlier this year I became fully able to embrace the fact that I am an atheist.
I was a member of the Deeper Life Bible Church in Nigeria. Women putting on trousers was an abomination and would end up in hell. Watching TV, wearing earrings etc would take you to hell. I became an atheist by reading the bible
@i o What about his comments made you think of agnosticism?
He is making statements on his belief(s) / lack thereof.
Asserting him an agnostic, even though he described himself as an atheist, is not exactly furthering debate.
@i o no, I'm an atheist.
@i o Are YOU sure you understand what "agnosticism" is?
Now go back in the closet atheism is dumb and you have a God.
Theist: "You don't want to believe in God because you hate God."
Me: "I don't hate your god; I don't hate leprechauns; I don't hate anything that cannot be proven to exist by reason and evidence."
My parents recently told me "you must live a miserable life without God." and that if that statement offends me "you better do some more soul searching then."
Thank you for your videos. I might not have the words or ability to express how I feel when it comes to religion like you but you make me feel better knowing I am not alone in my beliefs... Or disbelief if you will. You've also in a way taught me how to stay calm when conversations like these come up.
atheism in a nutshell: I don't know, and I'm not convinced, or persuaded by your lack of evidence, you know either.
You are evidence creature.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Stop calling people creatures, also someone's existence is no evidence for god.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 I'd explain to you why that logically makes no sense, but the fact that you think it does tells me I'd probably be wasting my time anyway.
@Vishnu K you cant prove a negative
i've always been atheist, my parents were spiritualists, and that's clearly crazy. my "position" is i really don't care about god, i say i spend as much time thinking about gods as i do thinking about cat skinning or the rules of curling. i become "active" when people like ken ham try to make us ignorant, and when i get reminded i'm going to hell. as penrose says, there may well be a superior being, but i don't see that gets us anywhere. my latest pet phrase is "christian mythology".
I know it's not neat, but the moment a believer says, "I don't have enough faith ...", I immediately interject: "Thank you for that clarification".
Lol
I didn't learn enough mathematics and physics in school to understand the limits of the big bang, so I oversimplify it to fit my narrative... comes closer to the truth, I think.
@@marcdecock7946 I think a lot of people would get really confused if we told them that the big bang itself ran out and we're expanding with negative energy now. Negative energy that somehow goes faster the emptier it gets, and is possibly going to act like a tridimensional bungee cord and BOING right back inward, eventually.
Space is weird as fuck and gold is made by ramming two dead stars together.
@@neoqwerty The limit I was referring to is the one at the very beginning... if you imagine to turn back the clock to the point where all matter is in the same place, you reach a point where the physics models don't explain it anymore. This is for a scientist a point of 'I don't know'...
I also see that the acceleration of the expansion is probably a good indication that the model is off... or the way we measure, or both...
The model is incorrect... therefore god, would be a bit too easy... unless God=mc2, then God is the energy that was needed to create all mass in the universe... imagine if god can be measured in Joules...
@@neoqwerty I really like the sentence, "Space is weird as fuck and gold is made by ramming two dead stars together."
I need that as wall art.
"Stop questioning, - just send the money", seems appropriate for many US churches.
Nigerian ones as well.
I remember as a kid our family went to a Protestant church and every year we would get a box of small (2" x 3"?) envelopes, each with the date of a Sunday and our family name printed on it, to put an offering in and drop it in the long-handled basket.
And if we missed a Sunday, apparently we were supposed to put money in two envelopes to make up for it?
Not too clear on the details, I was around 8 or 9 when we moved to another state where they didn't do the envelope thing.
Unfortunately, I think you are right. Thank you for saying, "Many" and not "all." As a pastor for 25 years, I encouraged our members to give generously so they could have the church they wanted, and so their church could have an impact in the lives of people who were hurting. I regularly asked visitors to not give, because it wasn't their responsibility to keep the church going.
The saddest part is that this bad method is actually working in the US. Sad
Only many?
There’s a joke or meme that I’ve seen, but I can’t remember exactly how it goes. But it is designed to portray atheists as announcing their atheism at every opportunity or injecting it into every conversation. I think that is one of the biggest straw man examples out there.
You are right, but I think that meme is a strawman in itself. I haven't seen any atheist doing something like that.
But trying to ridicule peoples faith at every opportunity (not accusing every atheists, but you know there are enough who do this) can seem like this to some (or many) theists.
@@maymanus2645 omfg that is so stupid. You do realize that other people have experienced pagan afterlifes or reincarnation?
@@maymanus2645 I died and saw the giant spaghetti monster in the sky, what’s your point?
@@maymanus2645 "Near-death" is not complicated to understand. It is significantly different from being "dead," which is when a person is DEAD. "Near-death" means they AREN'T dead. That means that whatever they're experiencing, it's not what happens AFTER death, because they have obviously not BEEN dead. That they have bizarre hallucinations should be expected. That those hallucinations incorporate their belief system is predictable - their hallucinating brains have no other context in which to place these hallucinations.
"Near-death" hallucinations tell us nothing about what happens AFTER death, and certainly provides no evidence for gods.
@@ObservantHistorian I was "mostly dead" for a few minutes. All I remember was that a blink took about three minutes (according to the clock) and everyone in the room was in a different place then they were a mere (perceived) moment ago.
"If you want meaning, do something meaningful." Carl Sagan. Great thought from a great mind.
In other matters, if religious people listened to atheists, there would be many less theists. Discourse is generally discouraged in many faiths. Apparently, we make too much sense. But yes, in essence, the world would be a much better place if people sat down to speak with and listen to one another. "You may say I'm a Dreamer.....but I'm not the only one..."
Is meaning subjective, though?
@@beta511ee4 What do you think?
@@scottclark3761 I’d say it is.
I get meaning out of wanting to entertain people and show some skills off. Some may also get meaning out of something like being a part of a community (secular or otherwise). I’m not necessarily a part of a community (or at least I don’t regularly associate myself with one) myself.
For those that only see meaning in life according to just a doctrine that’s hardly based in reality like a lot of Abrahamic religion, I think they’re just throwing their lives away. But if they’re willing to be progressive and accept reality (at least to the point where they’re agnostic or deist), I think they can achieve a great amount of meaning.
@@beta511ee4 I see. Well, if meaning is subjective, then it's even broader....to do something that is meaningful to you. Whatever that is. If we all did that, I believe the world would be a better place.
Nihilism is the best. Meaning is disgusting. Humanity’s search for meaning is the cause of all conflict, wasr and suffering. So, let’s stop convincing ourselves that we are something and start accepting that we are nothing!
I'm a pro-atheist Christian. I believe each individual is entitled to his/her own convictions. It's not that hard.
I'm a Pro-Christian Atheist!😄 I don't agree with Christian beliefs but I support the right to believe what you choose!
I'm pro-freedom of religion, you are allowed to have a religion or not, but don't impose the belief or lack there of on another person. I wish more people were like you :D
I’m pro-civility in the comments so I appreciate all three of you!
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic it's a reflection of your character!!!! You set a great example for both sides!!!!👍
@@katamas832 belief cannot be imposed.
"Snappy, clever-sounding phrase"
I've taken to calling such things "twitticisms" as they tend to be the kind of thing that would fit into the former 140-character limit on Twitter.
Hello there, I'm stealing that word, goodbye
I'm stealing that word too thank you!
@@maymanus2645 Eh, I don't believe in hell as it is usually described. I don't believe that a truly omni-benevolent God who loves all his children would deny the kingdom to anyone who truly repented. And I don't believe a truly omniscient God who knows the true content of any and all hearts would be fooled by an insincere conversion and therefore I don't believe such a God would arbitrarily deny the kingdom just because that conversion happened after death. I believe in a more metaphorical hell that is a consequence of willfully separating yourself from God's love, and that it's never too late to come back to the fold.
@@rmdodsonbills in my comments i posted four video testimonies of eyewitness accounts of hell. these are from people in our generation and their accounts and descriptions of hell line up with how the bible describes hell even though some of them were atheists who had never read the bible when they had their near death experience. there is a difference between believing what you wish is the truth and believing what is actually the truth.
@@maymanus2645 I at least had the decency not to suggest that my belief was obviously correct or that anyone who disagrees with me is necessarily wrong.
I try to speak to theists about their religion but they get defensive quickly.
So much for their "infallible" truth.
Christians have to be super defensive. It's hard to defend something for which there is not a shred of evidence, it must be exhausting. Especially that all the Bible stories are based on Egyptian and Greek stories way before the Bible was put together ( the Bible only changes the names).
Speak to me, what questions do you have
@@johnv5276 So, why is god hiding himself instead of clearing up the question whether he exists or not. Why hasn't he provided knowledge to the people 2000 years ago that we know today to prevent bad things like slavery or inequality? Why can't he simply appear before us in a way that makes it obvious he is real?
@@atdynax i'm an atheist. I think their thought process is "it's not 'faith' if we can prove it"
I don't remember if I've made this comment before, but I sincerely think Drew, an atheist, is one of the best examples of good Christian behavior I know of. Too bad more Christians don't live this way.
Thank you, Drew. For everything you do. You helped me really go through a very tough phase in my life when I became an atheist. Thank you for letting us know that there is so much to live for in this life without worrying about the afterlife.
Stay strong!! We are here with you!!
Atheists turned me into a newt!
Did you get better?
Yeah you got better....
But still...
BURN THE WITCH!!
@@chrisgreen8803 huh. I actually posted something like that but seems youtube censor bots deleted it. Lame.
What is a "newt"?
@@agathajohannbuenorosa175
Character from "Aliens".
I am an agnostic, and the pastor at the church my parents take us to recently claimed that unbelievers are foolish. So seeing this today means alot to me❤️
I remember an IDIOTIC analogy in my Christian school textbook about theists vs atheists. So, an atheist sees a beautiful solar system model. He asks the theist, who made it. Theist says NOBODY. The model suddenly exists. And the atheist is pissed. Theist replies, "Why are you pissed? Don't you believe that noone creates this universe?"
When I was at school, I thought the tale made sense. Now I think its IDIOTIC analogy. Comparing real solar system with solar system model is not the same. It's not apple-to-apple comparison. It's like comparing tearing a photo of your friend to killing your friend.
The funny thing is that this analogy is actually antii-theist, if you think about it.
The theist, in this case, would say "Oh, look, God made that model", the atheist would say "uh, no, it's me, I have video proof".
"Yeah, but no, it's actually God", would say the theist.
The same way we do have evidence for how most things work, and they're still attrbuted to God.
Yes but you have a God regardless of what you want to believe. Creature
What's the difference? The only thing I can think of is that the real universe is far more complex than a mere model and, therefore, less likely to be made by chance.
@@danydady6851 The difference is that we have physical evidence of the model being made by a human being, we also have experience of models being made by other human beings, we know it's possible.
We have absolutely no evidence for the universe being made by an intelligent being. Nor do we have experience of other universes being made that way.
Also, please stop involving randomness everywhere. Not everything that isn't God is random.
@@xord1946 there is no evidence that the model was made by a human being. And just because one thing is possible, doesn't mean that everything else is impossible. And if the beginning of the universe was neither random nor influenced by intelligence, then what was it?
The way you face theses issues, calmly polite, clean-minded and contagiously empathetic... it's like listening to a pure version of myself, what I'd like to be tirelessly and fail being every time I get broken by the harsh reality around me. Hearing people like you help me pulling myself together and recharge my "let's get shit done" bar. Thanks, man
I'll NEVER understand "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist". I mean, that implies you don't have enough faith to believe in god either. I mean, it's gotta be hard to believe in something you can't show to exist, in both directions. If you don't have 'enough' faith to be an atheist, then you should be trying a lot harder because God requires a ton of faith before he 'lets' you into Heaven.
Atheism isn't a belief, it's a lack of belief. It doesn't need nor depend upon belief or faith. :)
@@Graeme_Lastname yeah, thats kinda the point rider was making "atheism is a lack of faith, if you dont have enough faith for that, then you better start praying"
@@khasanbekmalzagov6240 LOL. I don't lack faith. I get on a roller coaster, doesn't that prove I have faith. 😝
Actually not much faith is required to get into heaven and it’s based on evidence, regardless of how you value the evidence, it’s there. Just as with evolution, there is evidence, but it’s how you value that evidence, which requires faith. Evolution cannot be 100% proven just as God’s existence cannot. Both require faith based on evidence.
@@frenchtoast2319 Atheism has got bugger all to do with faith. It's about a 'BELIEF' in god or not. That's it. No faith needed. Just belief, yes or no. The word has a meaning. Why is everyone in such a rush to change that?
Atheism for me is not about having answers to all questions, but accepting and embracing questions.
I have more answers than questions - I deduced most of them, although many are simply me remembering the answers because of all the information stored in our DNA...
Personally, the discovery that life has no greater meaning or purpose was super comforting. There was no greater purpose I was failing to achieve, no meaning I was failing to understand. There was no point, so there was no rubric by which I could succeed or fail. It was a relief. Its still a relief when I feel like I'm failing, because it allows me to focus on the failure only in the present and not representative of a greater failure of my life path. But then again I'm OCD and tend to spin things out of proportion.
Same, as a person who used to have frequent existential crises.
Also the added notion that you are free to create your own meaning in life rather than abiding by the meaning someone else set for you. It is quite liberating.
@@corhydrae3238 well said: only adolescents think a "meaning" is out there somewhere.
Nicole don't subscribe to atheism it's ignorance. You have a God
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Yeah well then I guess I'll have to start my elaborate assassination plan then. Because anyone who claims responsibility to the dumpster fire that is reality deserves to die for their sins
I do not even know if the universe "came to be".
bruh
The universe may have always been, and the big bang could have been one of many phases.
@@krsynx 🖤
@@krsynx My limited understanding is that the big bang is just the point where the last universe collapsed back after expanding to its limits. How cool would it be if the universe as we know it is just one of a series of ripples or honeybee wing-flaps? (No seriously, why i bring up the wingbeat of a honeybee: it doesn't even use energy to bring itself back up, only on one half of its move-- its muscle has elastic properties that bounces it back in and powers part of the next flap, making it near-costless for a bee to fly.)
@@neoqwerty Wait, that's how honeybee wings work?! :o ....Oh daaaaang insects are cool.
My life took on much more meaning when I embraced Absurdism. As you say, Drew, you only get to go once, so embrace it fully
I use naturalism to understand the structure and behavior of most things, but I have found absurdism offers the most realistic understanding of what it means to be human. Samuel Beckett put it so well when, in "Waiting for Godot," he has Estragon explain, "Where I am, I don't know, I'll never know, in the silence you don't know, you must go on, I can't go on, I'll go on."
I connect a lot with absurdism as well.
I definitely agree. Hail Eris.
Hi guys. I’m an evangelical Christian. I am pasting links to some video testimonies of near death experiences. I really urge you to watch them and make your own conclusions. Here are the links:
1) "Full: hell is real i went there! story of Jennifer Lopez"
czcams.com/video/FSoAdRt05Y0/video.html
2) “Scariest hell testimony ever” czcams.com/video/18Os663dF0U/video.html
3) "23 minutes in hell by Bill Wiese" czcams.com/video/5obMsaXLYyI/video.html
4) "Atheist sees unimaginable levels of torment in hell (Bryan Melvin NDE)" czcams.com/video/pmp3UNjeu0k/video.html
@H.P. Hatecraft The Near Death Experiences described in these videos are NOT hallucinations. they are real life experiences. i dont think you have watched the videos i posted because if you did you will know they are not hallucinations. in a real life experience you see real people and see their real actions. it is not imaginary. many of them after they died they saw doctors and nurses wrapping up their corpses etc. hallucinations produced by taking drugs or by occultic interaction with evil spirits are NOT ndes. they are demonic hallucinations. you need to understand that you are endangering your mental health by getting involved with the occult. occultism involves fooling around with demonic spirits whose aim is to ultimately destroy you. PLEASE call on Jesus today and ask him to save you and set you free from occultism. BTW, a cardiologist Dr M.D Rawlings made a documentary on real life experiences and it is as close to scientific validation as you can get here is a link to it: czcams.com/video/pug80-F0cvM/video.html
9:00 - I too expected to suffer great angst when I became an Atheist - because I was _supposedly_ losing a great friend in God - an imaginary friend indeed, but one that I expected to sorely miss.
However, within days (a week tops) I noticed that the opposite was so. The imaginary friend that I had lost was an _abusive_ imaginary friend.
I can relate deeply with realizing that I was far more nihilistic as a theist. Thanks for your eloquence. I'll be sharing this far and wide.
I lived in Utah for about a year and was working at Wal~Mart when i ran in to someone that just dumbfounded me, when they learned of my Atheism they firmly believed that when they told my manager i would be fired because it was somehow illegal to work in Utah while not being Mormon. the part that made me laugh was that my manager was a Methodist :D
Amazing, some people just go out of their way don't they?
Theist: athiests don't believe in anything
Me: I don't believe you 😂
You have a God regardless of what you believe. Creature.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919
There is no all powerful deity, Inhuman Beast
You are right, Human
Atheist :hi, he is not your father
Theist : What!! so who is my father then?
Atheist : i dont know
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 And you don't have a god regardless of what you believe.
Feels pretty rude and as if I had no respect for your beliefs, right? Maybe try talking to people like you would like to be talked to. If you don't take advice from me, that is fine, but maybe take a look at this Jesus guy, he was pretty clear when he said to treat others the way you want to be treated.
I remember thinking a few years back: "If I stopped believing in God I would just kill myself because nothing matters." The closer I come to agnosticism, the more I realize what a false statement that was 😂. Loved the video
I think you may become an atheist soon🤣🤣(I am not telling you to be an atheist)
Theist preconceptions about atheists aren't simply views. They have a purpose: to 'protect' the faith of theists, by keeping them from seriously considering atheism, to seriously talk with atheists, or even to have an honest look at them. It takes a theist already admitting her doubts to herself to seriously consider our rebuttals to these lies.
@Panzerkampfwagen V I just wonder, which God does a fan of Nazi tanks believe in? From your comment, I get that (1) you're a monotheist, (2) you limit your God to being _inside_ the Universe, (3) have a rather special view that your God is the _source_ of your belief rather than its subject or inspiration, (4) you have nothing to say about other monotheistic or polytheistic beliefs, and (5) don't realise that you sound foolish. You might want to detail your beliefs a bit more for our entertainment.
@Panzerkampfwagen V You literally just made the claim that God is "the most complex supreme force in the universe". An argument is a debate about the truth of a claim. Evidently you *don't* think "the whole universe thing and God being either the source or the subject" is pointless, or you wouldn't have just made a claim about it.
@Panzerkampfwagen V The esoteric tenets of faith you provided earlier and failed to expand upon do not fit with Catholic dogma, you made them up. Of course a foolish person doesn't see his own foolishness. Your foolishness is not a function of any argument I make.
It's always always weird when a theist of whatever religion thinks atheism needs an argument for it. Atheism is the default position: if no religion convinced you that it has more validity than all the alternatives, you don't believe in any gods. People like you can't see this because you're so convinced about the superiority of your own religion above all other religions that you can't see that it is not so special in the eyes of other people (be them atheists or theists of other denominations), nor is your strength of faith any more impressive to outsiders than the faith of believers of other religions. The irony is that 99% of people like you did not arrive at your current position by first examining all faiths and philosophies and then choosing one as the most truthful, but have been taught only that one from an early age and only ever looked to confirm that. But then, the weakness of your arguments is rooted in the fact that when you talk to atheists, you aren't trying to convince them of anything, you are trying to bolster your own faith: in reality, you're talking to yourself.
I noted your choice of username because Nazi tank fetishism is weird for someone claiming to be a staunch monotheist, be it whichever form of monotheism, knowing how most of those relate to Nazism and war in general. The possible explanations I could see ranged from just a gamer with cognitive dissonance, to a neo-Nazi with an even more esoteric non-Christian faith than belief in Asgard. So your reply exposed more about you than you intended, especially the "being able to think for myself" part and the last sentence (good job trying to explain how Nazi tanks weren't part of Nazi evil, but a friendly warning beforehand: versuche nicht, eine Auseinandersetzung über die Geschichte des Dritten Reiches anzustoßen, gegen mir kannst Du die nur verlieren.)
@Panzerkampfwagen V funny you don't know that the idea of god itself is a product of primitive human minds.
@Panzerkampfwagen V why did god make my heart darken if he loves me so much?
why won't he TALK?
I've had frequent, lengthly, repetitive dialog with one of my very religious cousins who, to his credit can handle the conversations without getting emotionally disturbed, but 20 years later still miss represents my position every time. He literally can't understand, process, digest what I tell him. I mean he seems to follow but disagree with my point of view only to revert back to theist tropes before we speak again and I have to explain all over again that is not representative of my views. He's not being malicious, he just doesn't understand or retain the conflicting point of view.
Religion poisons everything.
Kees den Heijer no, ignorance does.
@@torolvro59
Is that what you told Hitch?
@@torolvro59 religion and ignorance are synonyms.
Sorry but that cousin sounds just a person with limited understanding. It’s not even religion, it’s nature.
Very happy to see that once again, you don't revert to disrespectful sarcasm. You show that it's possible to make one's case without it, thus making meaningful dialogue possible.
Honestly, as a Christian, I'm pretty embarassed at what Christianity has become today throughout the centuries...
#sigh
And I apologize on behalf of the narrow-minded, judgemental and self-righteous Christians and I hope y'all know that not all Christians are like that 😭
There are sensible, loving and logical Christians out here who are under-represented because we don't run around like maniacs, judging people and communities and try to shove our message into the throats of "unbelievers"..
Of course, don't worry about it. I mean, even my family is mostly Christian and they accepted the fact I became an atheist.
The argument about faith and atheism stems from the incorrect assumption that the opposite to "I believe X exists" is "I believe X doesn't exist". While a lot of atheists say that theists are atheists towards all other religions, that's not technically true. A religious person will usually actively believe that other gods don't exist while most atheists will simply not believe in any of them. This is likely how theists see atheists, as actively believing all gods don't exist. This is why I think it's necessary to explain that this is a false dichotomy and not accuse theist of being stupid.
You're comment is entirely too accurate, succinct, and good natured! You should be ashamed! ;)
Very good point. I never thought about it like that, thanks. The whole argument makes so much more sense now.
If I understand correctly, you're saying that theists actively disbelief in other deities while atheists just don't believe _or_ disbelief? Doesn't that exclude gnostic atheists?
@@TreespeakerOfTheLand Lack of believe in a deity is compatible with the belief that a deity doesn't exist. So there's no problem there. Those atheists are just much more strict, sometimes called hard atheists or antitheists.
@@gnolex86 Good point on lack of belief being compatible with active disbelief, I never thought about that. It's just that if there are hard atheists, are monotheists and the like not hard atheists to other gods than their own?
Humans instinctively seek meaning in their lifes. It could be God, it could be caring for their family, improving lives of others, your career, following your dreams, saving the planet thru ecology, some philosophical idea, interest of ones nation, fighting some group you hate (unfortunately many people do it), spreading some political/ideologica idea, advancing our understanding of science, creating art, or improving the discourse between atheists and theists *wink* *wink*, or literally any long term goal.
I Burn water, make Lighting and will, Defeat gravity, soon. Wanna catch a angel soon! When I Defeat Gravity, angel's will be Electrocuted, fried. Then I might .melt their bones with burning water - HHO WATER BURNS- video on YT, I made.
I disagree. It is not an instinct to seek meaning in your life. Some need to have a life structured with purpose and goals, a need to achieve. But you shouldn’t assume because that’s how you view your life, it’s an instinct and everyone has it. If you failed to achieve any of your examples, does that indicate a person’s life was therefore meaningless? Your view and experience of the human race is to limited to make such a sweeping statement.
@@jpbaley2016 meaning in life. Yes for everyone that is different. I unfortunately I twice lost my life, had my heart, Difibulated twice. I left my body, yet retained conciousness. What I saw, with out eyes was incredible . It would be to much to explain here. But, values I had, changed greatly after coma and amnesia. Since then I have found religion's are evil and full or Misleading information, and believe me or not. But, I feel that on the OTHER SIDE , I was told to combat religion's, all I encounter. For my way, not to be forced into same awful existence again when I move on next. I lost Brain Tissue in a crash, yet my I.Q. went up after TBI. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? I don't know? But since brain damage I built Water fueled Blow Torch, made Tesla Coils and will make Formula Optulai, and defeat gravity, hopefully soon. Thing's NOT TAUGHT BY Religion. Meeting a Goal I have from the other side. Now, I am a peaceful person, with good intentions and tolerance , but Science, has made me a Enemy of religion, because religion is not about FACTS OR PEACE, one of the take-away's of death. My water Fueled torch got me Attacked, by gawd Freak? I was sharing KNOWLEDGE they Hide and will kill to continue to kill to keep it secret. As far as POTUS, I worked for shit stain for 1 shift, Co. I worked for Security guarded his car camera Van. I quit firm due to conflict of interests, firm is as Dirty as Dirty Donny. Pimps, drugs and hit's for hire, but I am better than that. I met Stephen "Paddock" , Norman Weilsch, and Jefert Alan Lash in that life. Look those 3 up, figure out, there is a Huge World your not awhere of. Moving in plain sight, around you at all times, you will Never kNOw. FYI, don't bother me, DYOR and grow .
Meaning of life is necessary for the same reason everything in life has a meaning you desperate atheist. You completely failed at making a point. Go find your God creature
@@j.christie2594 I don’t know why I was the target of your vitriol when I was responding to Miki Naz. I don’t know if English is a 2nd or 3rd language to you but your comment makes no sense. Either that or you just can’t have a decent conversation with people.
Drew, i know you probably wont see this, but i’ve been wanting to come out as atheist to my family for the longest time now, but i haven’t really figured out how or when yet, i don’t care at all how any of my family would react, aside from my great grandmother, she’s in her mid-late 80s and not the healthiest, nor the happiest, and i know she would be devastated, she doesn’t discriminate or anything though, while she’s uncomfortable with LGBT people, she doesn’t bash, and she doesn’t seem visibly uncomfortable with them, she even let my father, (transgender woman) [not dad, father] Celeste, live with her for quite a while whist my father and her husband (the couple are both trans) were going through a divorce. so as i wouldn’t be concerned about her scolding me or anything, she’d be terribly upset, and i’m the golden child, (i’m not so secretly her favorite grandchild) it would put a lot more stress on her on top of her own lot of financial problems, and i’m not sure that she’d emotionally recover from it. while she is starting to forget things said in a conversation, she would very much remember a big event in the family, and whoever’s reading this, please like and reply so that we can get Drew to see it.
Theist: You atheists believe something came from nothing.
Atheist: So, what did god create the universe from?
Theist: Uh....
Atheist tend to talk more about religion because we actually read the book and can't believe people follow it.
Watching individuals trying to justify slavery through this book...
@@shovel_salesman It is 7 years
@@maxbreshears3536 does it matter how long the Bible says someone can keep a slave?
Owning another human being is immoral.
youtube channel Whaddo You Meme explains very well why the Bible doesn't justify slavery. From memory(so I may get some of this wrong) this is a shortened version of what is said: "slaves" in the OT are more indentured servants who go into slavery to pay off debts. They have rights, and if the slave-owner is cruel, they can run away and shouldn't be sent back. The same rules apply for foreigners, as God commands that they should treat foreigners as native-born. The only exception are prisoners of war.
"Atheist tend to talk more about religion" I dont know where you from. 95% of people around me are atheist and we never talk about religions at all. Simply cause those things were never a part of our life and we know thats its a bs. I maybe talked once or twice about religions in my life
I am sending you a virtual beer 🍺
Thanks for telling it like it is. 👍
I just love how not only thoughtful you are but also just how so fucking nice you are for no reason
You and Forrest valkai are the 2 most well-spoken atheist/agnostic content creators on this app. I really appreciate your videos. They've helped me be a lot more comfortable with my beliefs.
"We refuse to pretend..." for me, the best description of atheism so far :-)
As a Theist, I didn’t find any meaning in my life.
As an Atheist, I still didn’t.
I should talk to my therapist more.
"Don't you think your went too far with your Catholic joke?"
"Well, don't you think the Catholic church went too far?"
The best aspect about escaping religion was I could stop lying.
I found it relieving to get my point out in school, but it came at the cost of what little popularity I had, but I didn’t care, it just showed I was a circle piece trying to be shoved into a triangle socket.
So glad someone made this video.
I once entered a christian youtube livestream and asked the host to explain himself. I was instantly bombarded by tons of christians in the chat who all made most of these assumptions about me without even asking.
Instead they all asked me to justify these positions I don't actually have as if being unable to do so proves God.
@UDon'tKnowMe I don't even remember who it was I think they delete their streams
I'm ex-muslim and atheist from Saudi Arabia ☺️❤️
Much love to you ❤
In Saudi Arabia it is still very dangerous to be an atheist no? I applaud you for following your views despite the public pressure! :) Good for you!
I hope you're okay💕💕
@@alekra3521 not only the government but also the society
But thanks to the internet atheist and feminists numbers are growing in Saudi Arabia and the Middle between the new generation
And religious men with long beard are getting less and less holly 😗✨
@@doaasabila1202 As long as I don't share my point view of life publicly i'll be fine
Thanks ❤️✨
I appreciate your honesty, maturity and objectivity on these important subjects. Keep the great content coming! We need more intelligent, calm conversation like this.
This is one of the best channels about this topic I've come across. We need more understanding, not hard fronts.
The "If you talk about religion you are religious" conflation is weird. Reminds me of the people who tell people who are against racism they have to be racist.
Great video, Drew! I really appreciate you laying out these positions and helping theists understand how ridiculous they sound to atheists. One position that I had to personally deal with was the notion that atheists suffer deep anguish and unquenchable despair when losing a loved one because they don't have the hope of an afterlife or meaning for the life we all have. I had to sit at my grandmother's funeral and listen to a Christian pastor rail on about an entire group of people whose views on death and the meaning we have for our lives are as diverse as doctrines among Christian sects and denominations. Why this man decided that speaking to a group of believers about what non-believers experience (in his own mind) was necessary, I do not know. I found it to be incredibly ignorant and arrogant at the same time. I was on the agenda to speak, though, and I was very comfortable speaking from my own experience. My grandmother was a teacher for well over 50 years and impacted many, many lives for the better over that period. She was a wonderful person, and as a tribute to her, I quoted Horace Mann: " Be ashamed to die before you have scored some victory for humanity." I then went on to outline the importance of leaving a legacy that would improve the well-being of those who survive us. No mention of any gods, ghosts, sky daddies, or magic of any kind. Just a heartfelt tribute to my wonderful grandmother and no mention of how ridiculous I felt that pastor's assuming statements were in light of her passing. The mere fact that a pastor would feel it necessary to spend 5-7 minutes arrogantly speaking on the views and positions of people in whose shoes he has never walked seemed extremely ignorant and insecure to me. I know many theists who would just stick to their own thoughts and seek to bring hope through their faith to people who believe the same things they do without using non-believers as a pawn to appear more credible. Having an opinion is fine, but enrolling others in unsubstantiated claims about a good percentage of the population is just poison.
Not gonna read all that but you have a God regardless of your diagnoses from Christians.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Responding without reading demonstrates your proud ignorance, sir. It would also be arrogant for me to say that you don't have any gods, regardless of your delusions, but I have no problem with you believing what you do because it is your right. You clearly have no regard for making a positive impact or genuinely sharing anything but are rather intimidated by thoughts that challenge your own. You need not be insecure about the opinions of others.
@@hoppastewart1 our beliefs have nothing to do with being a creature does. My belief or your belief doesn't determine God. You have one today and will tomorrow and did yesterday. Creature. You are not special enough to not have a God. Get over yourself
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Our individual beliefs about the existence morally inferior gods also don't determine your level of insecurity. That is something you can overcome on your own. What other opinions make you feel insecure besides others not believing in your gods?
@@hoppastewart1 Im just letting you know you cannot not have a God while being a creature. It's not insecure it's just ignorance annoys me. You cannot replace God with science.
Great work, as always. Currently stuck in a Mormon home as a minor, dreading my 18th birthday and hoping I’m not found out until then.
Goodluck I hope things go okay
Well Drew by far this has been the best podcast I’ve seen you put up. I came out to my parents this weekend that was rough but everyone has noticed that my usual day-to-day depression and anxiety, have all been diminished greatly since I became an Atheist…. it seems like as a believer …. I was sad all the time… keep up the good work I live in DFW and hope to meet you soon. Jay
What turns me off so many apologists that I've seen is that they are so ready to demonise others (to make themselves feel superior) that they end up just getting it wrong. It's irritating and unfair to say the least. Like, when I have a conversation with theists I go out of my way to listen to what they say and not jump to conclusions so I'd expect the same courtesy as well.
And well you should. I'm a christian and I also hate it when people don't want to have a conversation but want instead to broadcast at me. Its rude and I don't put up with it. And you shouldn't either. But I can't tell you how many atheists I meet who just want to blast me with a fire hose of reasons why I should be ashamed to be a christian. They have no interest in discourse. For those who have tried to make you feel small or insignificant, I apologize for the "apologists". We as Christians, because of tasks placed upon us in the bible, have a responsibility to not be assholes.
@@Robert08010 (Apologies for the late reply, I only checked this app now 👌)
It seems to be a tribal thing. Shout over your 'opponent' and insult them enough and you win by default, which is total kak 🙈 it's illogical and makes it seem like the person on the other is side isn't a person but a punching bag. In the end everybody loses that way.
That's why I left a lot of my old atheist/debate FB groups because people from both sides were just acting like douchebags. It's unfortunate because I've had some kickass relationships with my Muslim/Christian colleagues so it's definitely possible to disagree but still get along.
@@sebastianesilva398 Or wait long enough, that they forget about the conversation! LOL.
@@Robert08010 This atheist would never do that to you, and I despise those that do. I take a "live and let live" approach to life.
@@friedrichdergroe9664 I think I understand why it happens. The atheists that behave that way often do so because they were hurt by a bible thumper in their past. So they feel a strong incentive to win the argument of who is right. As a theist, we are taught to see the world as if it is possessed by evil spirits. But even if that is a biblical view of "the world" that doesn't mean I am supposed to treat you like you are demon possessed. Truly, any christian worth his salt is supposed to first acknowledge that he himself is not perfect and never will be. No true christian deserves to act holier than thou.
I really appreciate your emphasis on practicing empathy. Your background in counseling really shows!
I was truly facing these four questions a lot... Thanks for making this video ❤✨
Beautifully put, sir! Thank you for all your hard work and being so understanding and kind about it ❤️.
The sequel to my all time favorite CZcams video to share!
Man, I freaking love this dude. Everything about him just screams smart and intelligent. I really look up to his personality and want to be someone like him in the future.
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Edit: I commented while the video was going on, but I felt the need to mention the last part of the video. I feel great knowing someone has the capability to understand me completely, despite not yet having the skill to properly explain my beliefs. I've been thinking about life and everything bigger than me for a long time now, but I've yet to personally meet someone who has both the patience and intellect(because I'm extremely bad at explaining atm) to understand me, let alone listen. This made me extremely lonely for the past few years, until I met someone who was very smart and who I had a crush for. She was really expressive with her beliefs and would happily discuss it with someone to further her knowledge on various topics. I thought: "finally someone who is able to understand me." We became good friends for a while until I confessed and got rejected. It would've been nice if we could stay friends but she seems to have completely cut all forms of communication with me, probably because I dislike her group of friends. I also come off as a dick for most of them since I really enjoy challenging claims and questioning absolutely everything that I deem questionable. Anyways, after that I felt even more lonely, thinking that a once in a lifetime person passed by and that I won't probably be able to meet someone like her again. I've been like that for a few months now, eventually till I hit my lowest; getting extremely attached to a female VTuber so much that I'd breakdown whenever I wouldn't be able to catch up to her livestreams. It wad awful, and I was hella lonely. My happiness was extremely short-lived, only found in the forms of livestream interactions and memes. Get off the phone, and I'm probably depressed wanting to sleep the day away until the next livestream. It was really lonely, living a life assuming that you'll be carrying all of your personal ideas to you grave, never being able to share them and experiencing the joy of being able to do so; of having someone to understand you, regardless of whether they agree or not.
Well, I went a bit too personal there and I think I may have lost the whole point. Basically, I've never felt this excited in my life knowing there are people like Drew that do exist in this world. I'm just extremely thankful that I came across Drew, that's all :>
Oh wow, well welcome! I'm so glad you found him! He really is the best CZcamsr to talk about atheists and theists. He's not my favorite, he's just so calm, intellectual, smart, and a great guy!
Thank you for this video, Drew. I find a lot of people try to make videos targeted toward their own community, and that never helps communication. So I appreciate that you're reaching out to the other side.
Also, the meaning section in this video was maybe my favorite of your moments ever. Honesty at its finest!
The recovering from religion link was really helpful. Thank you for sharing.
"If you're an atheist, then you shouldn't talk about religion." Well, if you're religious, then you shouldn't talk about atheism.
And once again Drew made a video perfectly describing what is going through my head. Thank you for being so kind and empathetic with your explanations. Don’t get me wrong, I believe there are times for mockery but your videos are easier to share with theists to help explain where I am coming from when I cannot get the words correctly out of my mouth.
Your channel is such a well of positivity! I lucky enough to live in a place where religion is not really a part of everyday life, so other people don't really care about your belief. That being said I still profit a lot from your content! Thank you for continuing to foster healthy communication and exchange
My favorite memories from high school and college and the long conversations I had with my friends about religion and philosophy. I highly recommend it.
The ✨ lighting ✨ in the room is so beautiful
The Big Bang doesn't describe the *origin* of the universe. It describes the *expansion* of the universe. It presumes that there is a universe to expand. Where the universe came from that then underwent expansion as described by the Big Bang is still unknown, but there are very interesting hypotheses of cosmogenesis that have been put forward.
As soon as someone who wants to harp on the Big Bang can explain their opinions regarding, say, the Turok-Hawking instanton, then I might want to consider that they have examined cosmology.
Wow, this is one of the best videos I've seen in a long time. The last portion really spoke to me like nothing has in a while
Hey man, just wanted to say as a Christian I love your videos and the way you talk about these topics.
As someone who was an Athiest a long time ago and into all sorts of spirituality in-between, its actually really nice to be able to refresh the ideas in a way that encourages empathy and hearing the other people out.
Honestly hearing you speak in another video about taking the time to listen as a really important part of the discussion has really changed my way of seeing things.
Because as you can probably understand in being a Christian, I really want above all things to help people find salvation in Jesus.
But it can be difficult sometimes to remember to respect the simple things like hearing the other person out.
But I really felt that one, and I hope that it can grow more and more as something to be aware and mindful of in the future as I have more of these sorts of discussions with people.
Because one of the things I've realized I need and want to maintain and continue reminding myself of is that if I'm sharing it, that it's about the people.
Its about the people, and helping them see Jesus in a light as true to him and scripture as my knowledge, understanding and experience allows me to.
Not so that I can come out of a conversation feeling better about myself.
A life versus my own feelings of satisfaction really shouldn't be any sort of question at all.
And I'm really glad to have this point brought up to me in such a clear, real, human to humam manner yknow?
So thanks for that man, I know it may not be the something you may feel too comfortable hearing, but God bless you man.
One more point about The Big Bang Theory... the "Singularity" is often described as "Nothing" which is totally opposite of what the Singularity actually is, which is pure and totally concentrated energy, literally "Everything"... silly creationists. What form this "energy" was in, to have been in such a state, is in calculable for the scale of which this was the case, not only was there an "infinite" amount of energy inside one single point, but it was spread across everywhere that was ... not the best metaphor, but infinite energy, infinitely vast, and it changed states in virtually no time, and created all the Forces as it spread out, condensing into matter. The pressure pushed out our Universe, billions and billions of light years across, and still expanding. It is mind blowing., and easy to misunderstand when you have preconceptions that are determined by man's wild arrogances.
Additionally, when you factor in the likelihood of a multiverse and different physics, etc. in other universes, you see a structure of existence that is both far vaster, and more complicated, than anything posited by any religious belief system. I may have to accept I am really insignificant in that superstructure, but you cannot deny it is full of stuff.
Your God created science and the Big Bang creature.
Singularities are where the math breaks down. They're not literal physical phenomena.
The universe and everything else didint come of NOTHING
the fact that humans havent got along and treat each other like decent human beings makes me lose all hope that we humans wont cause our own extinction in the next 1000 years or less
Thank you for changing your hairstyle! Huge improvement
I do appreciate to politeness to eachother that Drew promotes.