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alcohol IS chemically addictive
yes, but you really have to work for the addiction.
If you drink a beer every day, it may not be super nice for your liver, but you won't develop addiction. If you smoke a cigarette every day, you will definitely get an addiction.
Also, a beer per day may never cause any detectable liver damage at all, some people consume lot more without problems. This data is not completely anecdotal, toxicologist usually recommend a relatively low weekly alcohol consumption, but generally don't prohibit it, unless you already have serious liver damage from something else.
As Vanessa said..once it's an addiction, you are no longer making a choice. I say that as an ex-smoker - you start for enjoyment/relaxation/ etc. but soon you smoke more to stop the horrible withdrawals. If you wake up and that first cigarette of the day is all you can think about, you're an addict. Been there..I understand how very hard it is to quit. I think before they do total ban, there should take the problem seriously and have treatment centres to help people withdraw, like any other addiction.
Sorry most other addictions are not treated well here either.
But the 'UK Ban' as being discussed will stop anyone born after 2007 (I think) from being able to buy cigarettes or Vaps, anyone who can currently buy legally, will continue to be able to buy.
There are smoking cessation nurses in the NHS. I'm an ex-smoker. I quit without help, because I wanted to quit more than I wanted to smoke. I was fortunate, because I'm stubborn like that. But I realise that even with help, some people will never be able to quit. Best idea is not to get addicted in the first place.
@@eddieaicken5687 So your advice is 'I wouldn't start from here, if I were you'?
What’s really pisses me off are people smoking in front of buildings and this is even somehow encouraged by putting ash trays in there. As I wrote in my previous comment, I’m a smoker myself yet it annoys me.
I found it great in the airport of Houston, where there were signs forcing people to go certain distance away from the entrance if you wanted to smoke
It's an immediate $250 fine to smoke or vape near the public streets, beaches, in parks, near transport, etc in Sydney! You have to hide in grubby laneways or in the gambling areas of pubs!
Ironically I often see many patient smoke outside public hospital premises.
@@jetster785 Because they can't smoke inside hospitals and they are forced to go outside to smoke even if they are terminally ill.
yeah would be smarter to put the smoking spot at least a few meters away from the entrance
@@oskarprotzer3000 In state where I and the OP live (Poland) it is forbidden to smoke around 10m from a building entrance unless it is a one-family house or you are just passing by on a sidawalk.
4:17 except exhaling after taking a bite of a chocolate bar, doesn't pour sugar and fats into anybody near you.. same deal with alcohol.
If you wanna drive without your seatbelt.. whatever its your funeral.. but if doing so prevented anybody within 3 meters from also wearing their seatbelt, it's obviously nolonger your choice to make alone..
Why you prevent them? Don't they have minds of their own? Stop spreading false propaganda taking away individuals' responsibility for their own actions.
@@Northerner-Not-A-Doctor Did you accidentally reply to the wrong comment? The comment you're replying to said that IT IS the person's own responsibility - except when it affects those in that person's immediate vicinity who are exposed to their secondhand smoke. (In the US they banned smoking in many public places, totally based on the secondhand smoke issue.)
@@Jim-the-Engineer You are wrong.
Saying that not fastening sitbelts of your own makes others not to fasten theirs is the promotion of irresponsibility I was talking about.
@@Jim-the-Engineer I always fasten my sitbelts when the car I'm inside enters a road with over 50mph speed limit or when a driver is a woman and driving over 40mph.
It's my own responsibility, I don't look what others do to themselfs.
Not wearing a seatbelt can also impact others ... literally as well as metaphorically. If you're in a car crash and you're not wearing your seatbelt then you could be thrown through the windscreen, or if you're sitting in the back then you could seriously injure the person sitting in front of you. Not to mention the psychological harm that you would inflict on someone else, even if the accident was not their fault, from knowing that they have been in an accident where someone had died or suffered life-changing injuries.
In Australia From 1 January 2024, the importation of all disposable vapes was banned, with limited exceptions. Further importation reforms will be implemented from March. GPs and nurse practitioners are the only legal vape prescribers, and pharmacists will become the only authorised importers and providers of vape products. Peace out.
Since I have got vape I never smoke anymore, sounds like getting vape from doctor sounds really anticonvinient
I tried tablets,patches,sprays,hypnotherapy and acupuncture to give up smoking…. Nothing worked,then I tried vaping and I never touched another ciggie again,and 18 months later I’d weened myself of vaping and I’ve been smoke free for 12 years.
I will be forever grateful to vaping, which allowed my 3-pack a day for 20+years husband to quit smoking almost instantly. He weened off with smaller and smaller nicotine levels and hasn't used cigs or vapes in years.
I was in australina last year and omg how good it was that no one smoked. In my country a lot of ppl smoke and in bars and clubs you cannot see anything bcz how much ppl smoke in them and not to mention that i dont wanna breath that sh*t. I want to breath air indoors and outdoors not your 2nd hand smoke
@davordamjanovic893 I live in Australia, and believe me, people still smoke, but it's expensive, 140.00 dollars for 1 packet of tabacco, 50 mg, the tax revenues are astonishing, but the black market is rising, tabacconist are being burned down by the black market sellers, but for you to say that nobody smoked is a lie, they do but only because they can't afford to..
I am a smoker. I've tried giving up... and failed.. many times. It is my failing. Should I be refused treatment?
I pay 80% tax on every packet I buy.
Now. I am onboard with not smoking inside public buildings/transport. I'm on board with not smoking on hospital grounds. This is ALL understandable.
However... If you are going to stop me on health grounds (both for myself and anyone else), sure.... but smoking related illness is NOT the only high cost problem fir the NHS.
Obesity - Are you going to ban chocolate, cake, fatty foods, alcohol, high powered motor vehicles?
Stupidity - Idiots walking up mountains in sandles who need to be rescued? People swimming in the sea who need to be rescued because they got into difficulty?
I have no issue with common sense legislation or restrictions on what people can and can't do. If they are 'constructed' with the 'greater good' in mind, however, be careful.... if you give away someone else's ability to 'enjoy' (be advised - I don't enjoy smoking!!) a particular thing... don't be surprised if others take away yours!
Also. Don't confuse Human rights with Socially accepted privileges.
Very often campaign groups and organisations lose their original focus and get tunnel vision. Some get political power and forget entirely why they were formed in the first place.
I'm all for a healthier society. I'm all for a common sense approach to getting there. I'm all for reducing where (and when) people can smoke. But start imposing a full on restriction/ban on me? Make me a criminal? That is something completely different. That's fascism.
Too many people these days have an all or nothing approach to how we should live/behave. Stop. Take a step back. Think.
Democracy is complicated. Life is complicated. We have a wonderful country with very many 'true' freedoms. Don't look at other countries and their problems and try to use that as examples of what it's like here. Compare by all means, but don't say that is THE way it is here..
We have problems. Lots of them. But the UK isn't France, The US, Australia or Outer Mongolia or anywhere else. We're British. We have relatively good systems. We have better than most. Look at the Good. Address the bad and work on that.
Just be careful. If you support banning one thing (and give politicians the power to do so) you just might be opening a door for banning EVERYTHING!
Its a health care issue . The cost of treating smoking related issues is a lot on the NHS
Every illness that smoking is apparently responsible for have all INCREASED in the last 20 years!
Despite half of all smokers quitting in 17 YEARS AGO.
Even child asthma has become worse!
This is the direct opposite of what should of happened!
Therefore it’s nothing to do with public health.
As there is zero evidence that banning cigarettes.
Will reduce the health burden!
Also the tax from smoking more than pays for the treatment the NHS provides for smokers.
So the idea that it’s costing the NHS and government money. Is a pure lie!
With respect it is never a health care issue. Have you been to an NHS hospital or doctor's office with extremely overweight nurses/staff? It is starts at younger age and then it will move up. Wait and see!
That's unfair. Smokers pay a huge amount through tobacco taxation. They pay billions into the economy. They more than pay their way in society for smoking. If anything, we should ban alcohol. Smokers harm themselves, people who drink harm society. Alcohol affects cime and public disorder, accidents and injuries and has an impact on productivity. I think the cost of taxation on alcohol covers the medical related issues (which are more than smoking). What about the rest of the negatives? Alcohol should be banned before smoking should. It costs society more. This is people who don't do something dictating to others what they should do.
@@RyanSmith-on1hq Smokers hurt everybody around them - they force everybody around to breath (directly in the lungs) TWICE the amount of smoke: once from the cigarette's end WITHOUT FILTER, and second after it transits the (putrid) respiratory system of the smoker. That's why the 'passive smoking' is making so many victims. The smokers are killers, those who smoke in public places belong in prison.
I am pretty sure the exorbitant tax on cigarettes more than covers the NHS costs. A lot of people smoke without health issues.
There are plenty of shops in the UK illegally selling cheap imported cigarettes and tobacco under the counter, if people wanna smoke then they will no matter what the government says
This is obviously a step in the right direction.. This is not to stop the people who are currently smoking from doing so. It's to prevent the majority of the future generations from even beginning.. There is no short term way to stop it out right, there is a way top stop it 50 years from now, and this is it.
Hmm I dont know if this will work. As someone with four teenagers I believe education and social stigma has stopped two of them, not availability. For one of them things you can get on a black are cool and for the other its curiosity that is the pull. Friends say have you tried this and they will get hold of it on the black market, tax free, so there isnt even any revenue to pay for the health impact.
Only an hour over to France or Belgium 👍
True but it will no doubt reduce deaths from smoking.
@@chsh1 The biggest risk is cigerette sellers becoming criminals like drug dealers. But I do like the idea of reducing cancer rates as its a horrible disease
Me and my 2 brothers managed to make our parents quit smoking in the car, back in 1970's. But it took a lot of whining, complaining and the like, but in the end they quit when we were there with them.
I started smoking after my girlfriend told me she won't kiss me if I keep using (Swedish) snuff. I only regretted it after some 30 years of smoking, when my bronchi got massive inflammation. Then I tried quitting, but after maybe 1 year of fighting my addiction I started vaping. That doesn't hurt my bronchi and doesn't stink but works otherwise as well as smoking.
I cant see any1 else mention it in the comments, so I'll add in, about the second-hand smoke, that I've heard of studies thats shown a 33% increased risk of cancer, compared to the actual smokers.
Cant remember if there were other health-issues increased as well, but still 33% increased chance of cancer for people around smokers is a LOT.
I think that maybe why smoking in public buildings and work places is banned in the UK (certainly England).
I also think that ban might be a major factor in UK lowering rate of smoking.
All those boomers? The generational labels US Americans like to apply really don't make sense in the rest of the world. Although there was an increase in birthrates after WWII in the UK and the rest of western Europe, if not an actual boom, only Germany had an additional economic boom comparable to the US. Rather than booming in the late 40s and early 50s, in whichever sense you think the term implies, the UK still had rationing for many years and it took until the 60s for all the bomb sites to be cleared and for people to move out of the "temporary" housing they had to live in after significant areas of major cities were flattened by bombing. I know it's often meant lightheartedly, but people actually seem to believe there are such things as boomers, gen x, millennials, gen z and so forth. The time periods these categories supposedly cover are so fuzzy as to be meaningless. The majority of people have very little in common with those on the other side of the globe who happen to have been born around the same time, even if you only count the English-speaking world.
Please don't take this the wrong way, and I apologise if I'm ignorant, I thought the full term was "Baby Boomers"...so, not to downplay the economic hardships that may still have existed, I only really thought the term specifically pertained to the uptick in birthrate.
Well said
@@eeyvrcs It was. But there wasn’t really a ‘baby boom’ for the UK in those years. The generation two before that around the early 1920s were our real ‘baby boom’ years birth rate wise
As a French non-smoker, I repeat for the attention of those who had this very good idea the phrase of an English philosopher" I fart in your general direction" (monty python)
John Cleese isn’t really considered a philosopher 🤣
Strangely, England (AND Britain generally) DO fart in the direction of France.... ONLY to cover up the smell of burning sheep! That odour often creeps across the ENGLISH Channel when French people disagree with the Government... 😅😅😅
@@stewedfishproductions9554 Hmmm England yes, Scotland no.
Ryans idea of a referendum is a good one as people would actually understand this debate. Trying to teach people about trade rules/benefits was like trying to teach monkeys to swim.
In Sweden only 6% of the population smoke. A larger percentag (around 16%) is using Snus though which is just as unhealthy. In Sweden you are also not allowed to smoke in public areas. For example you can no smoke in pubs and resturants since 2005. You can also not smoke at the busstop, in the area around appartments and the like, well pretty much all public areas.
I think it have helped a lot to bring awareness that it really is unhealthy not only for the person smoking but also those around you.
Alan Johnson, one of the best PMs the UK never had and I do not vote Labour.
As of 2020, the UK has the lowest smoking rate in Europe. (Source: Our World in Data). According to Action on Smoking and Health (ASH), in 2022, 12.4% of the UK smoked.
In 2007, when the ban on smoking in public places was introduced, the smoking rate was 24%. (Source: NHS).
Out of 41 people in my family only 3 are smoking. Two of them are my sisters, the other is my aunt. I have not included those under 14 in the statistic. I'm in doubt whether I should include one of the two sisters as well as she has been smoke-free for over half a year.
On the flipside in my GF's family half of them are smoking, she's not though.
I think the ones to make the change has to be the smokers. They have a lot of power when it comes to spreading the mentality to their friends when young and later kids.
How much was a packet of smokes in 2007 and how much were they in 22.
Nothing to do with bans
@@stevebeever2442 I don't know how much a pack of cigarettes cost in 2007, but in 1972, they were 13p for a pack of 10, and a pint was about 16p.
@@stevebeever2442About £5 in 2007 about £12.50 in 2022
accounting for inflation about a 70% price increase. According to about a minute on Google.
@@stevebeever2442 I remember paying £5.50 for a 20-pack of L&B when I quit in 2010, I think they're like 12 quid now? Not complaining, it's a good thing. I quit before prices went mental, but I can't imagine most people can really afford to smoke these days.
I do think the ban helped, though. Not necessary by directly putting people off, but it makes smoking less normalised. I remember joking with other smokers abut being banished, or being treated like we had leprosy and whatnot, when we were stood out in the smoking shelter or just huddled outside the pub, but it is sort of true. It made smokers into a sort of 'other'. I wouldn't be surprised if the indoor ban led to fewer people taking up the habit.
Any Government that tries to ban a product whilst simultaneously collecting TAX from it, is hypocritical and infringing upon the rights of smokers to choose for themselves! It comes down to personal choice and ours is being taken away.
Ryan should look into how many people are killed every year by second hand smoking.
Where are you getting your facts from?
You can not die from second hand smoke!
Are you really that gullible?
You are wrong about second hand smoke….
What about cars?
If I smoke a cigarette it WONT kill me.
But if I did the same to a car exhaust.
I WOULD BE DEAD!
You are barking up the wrong tree.
Considering child asthma, strokes, cancer etc have all INCREASED since half of all smokers quit 17 years ago.
Would suggest smoking is not causing those problems. 😉
I have never smoked, though I grew up with both parents (Mum & stepdad) smoking. Mum gave up smoking when she retired at 65, though... My first husband gave up smoking when I was pregnant..,but I had friends who smoked. When I was pregnant with my first set of twins, (born on a Thursday, January 1992) everyone around me smoked and those babies lived 6 hours*, & 12 hours, born at 36 weeks, my son* (born first) weighed 5lb 5oz & his sister (born 6_minutes after him) weighed 4lb 5oz... They both had undeveloped lungs and my son had pneumonia as well...
My second set of twins were born (on a Thursday, September 1993)) at 36 weeks after a pregnancy spent _avoiding_ smokers, my daughter (born first) weighed 6lb 3oz and her brother (born 21_minutes after her) weighed 6lb 8oz, and though their lungs had minor issues like their previous siblings, they were able to come home after two weeks...and they survived and grew. (They're 30 now, and that daughter is now _my_ carer, due to my multiple co-morbidities and mobility disability).
So, if I see pregnant women smoking or people smoking around pregnant women, it both upsets and angers me, but I feel I have, given my own experiences, good reason for these feelings. Good Luck to anyone trying to give up smoking... I feel you'll benefit from the lack of tobacco toxins in your lungs and those around you will ultimately be healthier too if they don't have to inhale your smoke. Regarding 'vapes'... I've no experience at all of them, so cannot speak of them or their effects, but I don't like to see it (on YT Reactor videos, which is the only places where I've seen them being used).🤔🏴🖖
Fr, I have a breathing issue, granted, but it's a huge issue for me to be walk in public most of the time, due to car fumes and smoking, ofc that's a lot to do with just me, but it gives another perspective
During highlight of an fa cup final match from the 1980s shown earlier there was people sat on the bench smoking pipes.
As someone who has never smoked and who absolutely detests smoking, I _don't_ think the ban is a good idea.
Partly because of the slippery slope argument, and partly because I don't think it will be effective.
🔸 Prohibition in the USA led to massively increased levels of organised (and disorganised) crime _and_ people taking greater risks with their health as drinks were no longer regulated.
🔸 The war on drugs has been a total failure, whereas countries that have decriminalised at least soft drugs have seen big improvements in health and social indicators.
🔸 Yes, most people who smoke say they regret ever starting ... but most of them started smoking before they were legally allowed to, which suggests this won't do much to stop people from taking it up.
🔸 We already have any number of "legal highs" in the UK, most of which are of unstudied and unregulated. The risk of banning people from smoking is that they turn to other gateway drugs, many of which have unknown long-term health impacts, and illegal dealers are far more likely to push them onto harder drugs than legal shopkeepers.
If it turns out that the ban is a success, that it cuts the number of people smoking further and doesn't lead to increases in crime and other health and social problems then I will be very happy to be proven wrong, but to me it smacks of somethingmustbedoneism ... the politician's fallacy: we must do something, this is something, therefore we must do it ... and everyone's too worried about making sure they're seen to be sending the signal that they're doing the right thing that they haven't stopped to figure out whether it will actually have the impact they want.
I'm an ex-smoker, second time, but now I'm vaping and feel much much better in the long run. I don't use disposable vapes though. Vaping, is cheaper than smoking, by about 65%. The product I use is refillable, which is quite a bit cheaper than disposable. Varying from about £1.00 to about £3.50 per oil, and they last quite a while. Factor in the tool (£30), and it's miles cheaper. Banning smoking is the way to go as I now see what it did to me.
Yes but at least you had the freedom to choose and its not like the packets dont say it kills you and makes you sterile etc.
By the way i make my own juices its under a quid for say 100ml and you know the composition of the juice you vape. Still need self control though to not chin vape.
Don't ban anything completely. Ban it from places where it can hurt others (in the case of smoking: anywhere at all close to other people, whoops), and make it as expensive as to cover all of the consequent costs, including healthcare from passive smoking and environmental damage. We have lots of data to calibrate these. It won't be illegal, but so unreasonably expensive and time-consuming, no one will want to do it. With a rational process behind it that everybody can follow.
Yeah this is the sensible approach making it ilegal wont work. I dont smoke but t dont agree with this approach and lean decriminalising all substances
This shows how people don't look at the big picture. Because of pollution in our big cities, your child will take in less pollution if you smoke 1/2 a cigarette in the car with them for an hour, than when they get out of the car into the "fresh air", they will, in effect, smoke a WHOLE cigarette in the next hour, because of the pollution they will breathe in!
We've already done all that : ban in public indoor spaces, prohibitively high tax on tobacco.
Already done that in the UK smoking is stupid why risk ur life
🤔On one hand I think it's always better to educate people than to ban something.
On the other hand, smoking is addictive and can make you seriously ill and, unlike other intoxicants such as alcohol, opiates etc., it not only affects your own health, but also that of people in your immediate environment.
So I think it would make sense to ban smoking everywhere where others can't decide whether they want to be exposed to smoke or not, i.e. all public places, clubs, bars, restaurants (including on the terrace), hotels, in cars with children and in homes where children live.
And to be honest, as a landlord I would like to have the legal right (in Germany) to decide whether or not to rent my apartments to smokers.
I can ask people if they smoke, but they don't have to answer honestly.
There are always arguments between smokers and their non-smoking neighbors, and chain smokers sometimes cause serious damage to our apartments.
After a few months of constant smoking in the home, all the plastic parts are yellow: light switches, sockets, door and window handles, as well as laminated doors and door frames.
This all has to be renovated, but you can't always get rid of the smell even with renovation.
It's stuck in walls, floors and built-in furniture.
It's impossible to rent such an apartment to non-smokers next.
But I think we should never open Pandora's box of excluding smokers from health insurance, because then the question arises: who next?
Alcoholics? Fat people? Motorcyclists? Skiers? Type 2 diabetics?
This would end in desaster.
yes it is rather interesting like the government is doing a lot about smoking and vaping honestly it probably wont work but its probably one of the only decent things the tories have tried to do in their term
So much cheaper for Big Business taxpayers than actually providing healthcare.
The thing is there are lots of narcotics and such that were historically legal, and have been longtime banned, and if we are comfortable with not-relegalizing those, you have to see that the only difference between that and this is the point in history from which we are viewing it. The people around at the time will moan, and eventually we will say, 'what, people really used to do this?'
Well that’s not really how it’s gone with heroin has it?
@@lanabmc3519 Or weed.
@@stephenlee5929 Well that’s a different animal really. It’s more socially acceptable to be stoned than smacked out your brains
On the spot fines apply in built up areas of Sydney! Denied care? What if you knowingly eat mushrooms that may or may not be poisonous, is medical assistance for that banned too! What about reckless allergic reactions? Yes teens do buy vapes, it's a growing fashion and hard to police! 😟
Ryan, I love that you did this one, im depart to hove up its soooo expensive now
Ryan it will surely HIT the US Economy when the UK no longer buys all that Tobacco.
Alcohol not 'technically chemically' addictive? Come on.
Notice that they are banning the act of buying, not the smoking itself.
Yes. We saw that. Weasels.
Anything Sunak supports has got to be a huge disaster
For me who's never smoked cigarettes, my parents, family and friends have, to me it's never be anything more than "stink sticks". Vaping.... i'm still divided on this because it's new, but from what i'm hearing it's going the cigarettes way... Not good.
Not allowing to healthcare because they've smoked (or anything else) is not a solution for me.
The only thing i'm not against, it's been a start for me as a birthday gift from my wife, is smoking a cigar (not! cigarettes) from time to time. And with time-2-time it's like 1 or 2 times a year ! Yes ! Per year ! Because a cigar is something you smoke slooooooooowly , you don't inhale (as much as cigarettes) , you take your time and have a drink meanwhile. Even then, most of times i share that same cigar with someone else. It's just a tool to help me relax... Which is also important. And i do it in a personal space, not bothering any strangers.
But yeah, in 99% of the cases i'm against any type of smoking.
vaping statistics are pretty much the same for the UK and US
A comment on "not vaping as much in the UK", as someone under 18 in the UK, i can confirm every single person i see around my age vapes. It isn't a minority it is at least a 60% majority.
Banning Smoking in clubs and pubs has caused over half to die as people don't go anymore because they can't smoke in the places anymore
You would care more if your taxes paid for everyone’s healthcare. Less national healthcare the less you worry about others choices.
They should do what Australia did. Charge an absolute fortune for a packet, hide it in a plain brown package and locked away. And you have to be over 18 years of age.
As of five years ago, I am now a non-smoker (cigars) Personally, I can’t stand the smell of Vapes. Stopping was very hard to do But hopefully, I will live a lot longer. If there had been a ban when I was 14 I would almost certainly never have started but back in the 60s. It was the thing to do having said that if I was now told I had a limited time to live I’d be back on the cigars in a flash. There is nothing like a good cigar a good brandy after a good meal.
Having said all that I was one of the lucky ones I have a healthy pair of lungs and a good strong heart.
The majority of people who drink alcohol are not addicts, the majority of smokers are.
Given the reductions in those smoking, I think that might now be true.
There was a time when people smoked for pleasure and may not have been addicted.
Who said that?
@@katerinagiannioudi401 I did
The majority of people who drink alcohol are not alcoholics They can stop for a few days or a week or more without a problem they still have a choice.
Smokers are generally addicted to nicotine and stopping is difficult, hence all the products to help stop.
The majority of smokers are drug addicts even if they don't like the term.
But certainly if alcohol and nicotine were invented or packaged for the first time today they would both be banned
I have gone more and more liberal over the years, I currently believe that all drugs should be legal, perhaps not allowed to be used at say restaurants or public places though
Ive gone this way too criminalisation does not work. When the authority has the technology and resource to make it work they will need the powers to use it which will not just impact on the user it will impinge on everyone's civil liberty to the extent no one today would recognise theses individuals as free.
Here in Canada Smoking is banned in all public buildings. You have to smoke outside. Businesses that sell smoke cigarettes must ask for ID from anyone 25 and under. You can't sell cigarettes to anyone unless there 19 and up.
Pretty much the same in UK for all points apart from smoking age is 18
Ryan as an ex smoker from 1987 aged 12 to 2008 when my 5 year old asked me to stop i think more needs to be done to target the youth education like talks from people with lung cancer and videos get graphic as they won't respond to half measures i regret starting but so glad i quit
Went from smoking 40 a day to none.Purely financial, didn't want to give the Blair government anymore of my money to waste.
Good choice, idk what the Blair government did wrong, idk about them, but well done with quitting :)
@@elfishmoss1457 Too expensive to smoke now.£16 a packet.17 years without them.
Unlike the USA, Europe and the UK have health care that covers everyone. One of the biggest drains on health care is smoking related diseases. Therefore, reducing that drain allows more to be spent on healthcare for those that don't try and destroy their own bodies and those of the people around them who have no choice in inhaling the exhaled smoke of others
Is it smoking, or might it be other pollutants we breath in?
I'm sure Petrol and Diesel vehicle output won't help.
Maybe particulates from tyres and roads.
Perhaps bonfires, incinerators, stubble burning.
Pigeon lofts.
When we stop doing that there will be other air bourn issues.
I'm sure smoking doesn't help but I'm not convince that all the smoking related diseases are solely caused by smoking.
the whole "butt muh freedom" argument is hilarious.
the same argument was used against mandatory seatbelts.
as it turns out, trying to stop moronic behaviour will always make people complain
guess thats why workplace saftey is actually needed. no, stopping self harm is not endangering your freedom. now put on a helmet, trap on you seatbelt and throw out your zigs
It will now be difficult to ban smoking in Germany, as everyone is now allowed to grow hemp and consume it in public - by law...
Want to keep my health - to go on smoking 🤣🤣
Personally, although I hate cigarette smoke, I prefer to be aroud that than around a vaper's fumes... cigarette smoke is usually largely centred around the smoker, so if you're 30ft away, you can't smell it much (note, I am not saying that there's no risk from passive smoking), but if a vaper is anywhere within 100ft, there is a MASSIVE plume of sickly-sweet perfumed air coming straight from their lungs into yours... it fills the room, so that you can't get away from it.
The issue i take is, people say its a personal choice, but I have a breathing condition, and as a result its really hard to walk in public because its hard to breathe because too many people are smoking on the street, I prefer walking on moors, but i still work and walk around in public, so obviously i want it banned, since i can feel the problem w/ my lungs when i walk past someone smoking, the point is, its more than a personal choice, so i think it should be banned in public outright
If I become world dictator, I’d introduce the Smoking-Ban-Ban. I would ban smoking bans from all pubs. Pubs could have an optional non-smoking section, away from the main area, but the main bar area would be non-discriminatory. Smoking was an integral part of pub culture and the smoking ban killed that. I want to restore it.
They should ban the car industry also - particulate matter is known to cause cancer too....but then a lot more should be banned like pfa's and so on...etc. etc. life is dangerous...as a matter of fact.
Should ban alcohol too because I'm pretty sure that's caused more deaths than smoking either by liver cancer or drink driving or assault under the influence the list is endless with people who drink.
Really difficult to implement in a country like Portugal where almost everyone smokes
Depending where you read the peak in smoking was in 1962 or 1974...I can remember when I started working iin 1989,tge majority of my colleagues smoked.I am also old enough to remember when you could smoke o thee upper decks of buses,certain carriages in train and on one side of cinema auditoria (the smoke,of course,"never" drifted across to the other side (!))🎩
Peak in adults in uk🎩
I'm in the UK and I used to smoke but I would just buy it from people who would bring it in from other countries as it was cheaper then getting it from the shop so just like getting weed or drinks there's always somone you can get it from and our government won't make any money from it but that's what happens when the government try to control people.
We most importantly need the government to do its job, instead of not doing anything for the last 6 years and find wedge issues that nobody really cares about when they can’t even afford to buy food. And yeah the only thing that works against addiction is legalising, look at Portugal and Venezuela, or even Canada now (though it didn’t work well in Canada cause they didn’t implement the findings of the study properly)
18:51 Me too, Ryan. Me too. You talking in the background when cutting an onion or so is just like a meditation - and in the end I've learned something interesting with you and got my meal ready .-)
Ah, to the addictive substances: I think trying to forbid it just doesn't work. Then people do it illegally if they want it and you'll get more crime due to a black market. Equal which substance it is: Tabacco, Weed, Alcohol, Sugar, Fat and whatever.
I think just tax it so high that the (health and other) costs it's producing are automatically financed. This could work for the "more normal" stuff. A problem arises with the hard and dangerous drugs like H, Cocain and much hard chemicals ...
A year ago +/- I saw a video that explained that Europeans' DNA was more favorable to nicotine addiction. I don't know if it's true or not but one thing is true, in Europe we smoke a lot more
“I’m not addicted, I just need to smoke 3 packs a day, and I get major withdrawal symptoms if I don’t. Also, I have a hacking smokers cough because of this”.
Smoking is more common in working classes, which, because of the price, often keeps smokers poor.
Also, you can't be denied treatment if you smoke. One of the most important values of the NHS is that every life is equal. A criminal who has just murdered a family will not be denied treatment over a normal citizen.
another thing the NHS is very supportive of vape use because it is much better than smoking even if its still bad for you
@@oatcake9996not necessarily vaping can cause bubble lung more commonly referred to as "popcorn lung" - a scarring of the tiny air sacs in the lungs resulting in the thickening and narrowing of the airways.
@@janolaful the NHS still thinks smoking is far worse
I can only give advice my family has been devastated by cancer my aunts uncle my mum my dad my sister and brother all died of cancer iv had cancer 3 times
I smoked for over 30 years and switched to vaping ... after 2 years I remove the nicotin and vaped occasionally at parties ... that was almost 7 year ago. Vaping is the number one Exit-Solution to smoking see this all around my friends.
I don't want to get into an argument about the rights or wrongs of this.
However, even as a non-smoker who wishes everyone was the same, I do wonder how it can be successfully implemented.
I used to be a very militant non-smoker; over the years I've mellowed a bit (nowadays I wouldn't ever punch someone's face for blowing smoke into mine) - but even way back then I would have considered this to be a BAD law just for being too complicated: with it, 60 years from now, 75 year olds will have to have their age checked to see if they're old enough to buy cigarettes - and strictly speaking the police would have to check anyone they saw with a packet of cigarettes - ridiculous! Education, combined with location-related bans, seem much better to me.
The tobacco companies will have gone bankrupt long before that happens.
@@Pumpherstonsmith The tobacco companies operate worldwide; if what I have read is true, they are currently covering Africa with their propaganda - with considerable success; so I think it's unlikely they will go bancrupt any time soon.
I'm a 50 plus year young life long smoker, I'm not giving up , If you don't like my smoke ..... Move..... Easy,
I live in the Netherlands, our freedom is getting taking away from us. It's unreal how the Netherlands was in the 90s you can do some stuff that you don't have to try these days. I had also lived in the UK from 1997 to 2007 the UK was always expensive. But the Netherlands is not like it was everything is expensive people aren't the same how they used to be. This is also daft from the Dutch government, you're allowed to buy a sack of weed but if you get pulled over, you break the law because you carry some weed with you.
I never smoked and I never will be! The thing with cigarettes is, that you don't only harm yourself, but everyone else around you. As a non-smoker I can't protect myself! Especially in crowded areas! One or two light there cigarettes and I am forced to inhale the smoke, too. I can't do anything about it! Shall I miss my train or my bus, just because of those ignorant morons, who even smoke where it is forbidden?
I think Britain goes a splended path and I wish that more countries will follow that brave example! There should be no discussion at all about banning cigarettes! It is MY decision, if I wanna harm myself! That's true! But as soon as my habits cause severe damage to other, there has to be consequences!
The health system not only has to deal with all the diseases active smokers have to face! They also are confronted with the same amount of non smoking patients, who became ill from just inhaling the toxic smoke over and over again, year after year. Think about it!
There are many health benefits to wine, but absolutely zero to cigarettes.
Most drugs are either 'Uppers' or 'Downers', stimulants or suppressants, nicotine is (was I haven't look at recent data) the only know mediator, acts as a suppressant (downer) if you are 'high' but as a stimulant (upper) if 'low'.
This effect was often used by ambulance staff in the 1940-70's.
I agree it does not compensate for its negative effects but it is a benefit.
I am for a complete ban on cigarettes for kids and underage people. They targetting kids. Most people do not start smoking as adult
Maybe smoking should be classed as self-harm and treatment withheld from people who do not try to quit.
This law has already been introduced in New Zealand, I think.
There are those on the Conservative right who believe in liberty and freedom of choice. They say people should have freedom of choice, but won't give freedom.of choice for weed which is less harmful than tobacco.
Smoking costs the NHS 2.5 billions a year, however obesity and alcohol cost 6.5 and 3.5 billions to NHS respectively. I don't smoke and hate when people smoke around, as it is not nice to breath that stinky polluted air. I also don't drink. Could ban everything, I don't mind, but would it work?
Also, I don't think smoking is considered cool in any country anymore, I've heard that it is more popular in France or Italy, but never been there. We have been told since childhood that smoking kills.
UK ban smoking Germany legalized smoking
I think the new ban considered is ridiculously stupid!
Banning advertising for cigarettes actually helped save millions for cigarette manufacturers because why spend millions advertising to people already addicted to your products.
uk banned smoking
Belgium banned disposable wipes
The Netherlands and recently Germany legalized the use of marijuana
but Eastern European countries have a high number of smokers
Nations fighting smoking: Americans, Brits, Canadians.
Nations cool with smiking: French, Germans, Poles.
Compare and say: whose health is in better condition?
I live in Sweden and there's only 6÷ of the population that smokes daily over here ☺️
Hi,
The ban as set out by our government, does not stop anyone who can currently smoke legally from continuing to buy (cigs or vaps) and smoke them.
It makes it illegal to sell to anyone born after 2009 (I think).
This means that to buy smokes you will need to be able to prove you were born before the given date.
As far as I'm aware it does not prevent people born after this date from being given smokes or from smoking them, I think the minimum age of 18 will still apply to actual smoking (as present).
The advantage is that eventually most people can't legally buy.
The advantage, to the government, is people over this age will start to need to carry age ID, something the government has been trying to achieve since the 1980's, this type of legislation has generally failed (until recent voting legislation).
The effect will be like US 18th amendment, I think we know how well that went, 21st reversed it.
We have had a reducing issue, I think we might be in danger of making it cool (it is not now), because it will be prohibited.
Having people not smoke would be great, I don't think this will help.
You only need to see old tv and films to see how many people smoked...when I was a child you could even buy sweet cigarettes (candy sticks with a "lit" end)🎩
Omg those comments, that’s fucking crazy! 1. Everybody pays for healthcare and health is a right, and 2. In london the pollution is killing a lot more people than second hand smoking, and air pollution is terrible in london so don’t come with BS about smokers ahah
This ban does nothing but put down the working class. Everybody needs some sort of fix, some drink, some smoke and that is what gets them though their day. They have been hiking up the prices of cigarettes for years now and it hits those who need the money the most but also need that fix to get them through the day. Smokers know the risks of smoking but it should be their choice. Alcohol is far worse, it not only has bad health implications but it also impairs you in the short term, you can smoke a cigarette and get behind the wheel of a car no problem, you can't with alcohol.
I recently gave up smoking and i don't think it should be made illegal despite wishing I'd never started. The age to biy them was 16 so was easy to get someone in school 4 or 5 years older to buy them for you. Now it's 18 that has gone. Kids aren't really picking ip smoking as much. Also that commentator is right. You pay 80-90% tax on any tobacco products so you pay for your health care in the long run. I'm worried where the government is going to find that tax money. They'll take it off us some other way. Oh by the way you said at the start alcohol isn't addictive. It is, Alcohol and Benzodiazapines are the only drugs which the withdrawal itself can actually kill you.
There's also already a pretty bug black market for tobacco and cigarettes caused by the government raising the taxes so much every year. So more money will go to criminals.
I want to say as an avid fan of cannabis, it has mentally addictive potential, unlike the supposed truly addictive substances that become physical dependencies that those who claim cannabis isnt addictive. For those not susceptible to mental addiction, cannabis is certainly not addictive though which is why its not necessarily considered addictive.
Alcohol and sugar you do to yourself. Smoking affects everyone through passive smoking. The stats do not pan out. In every state except California, Texas Washington and New York, the percentage of smokers are between 13 and 19% depending upon state. In Wales 14%, England 12.9% and in Scotland 11%. Too high everywhere whatever the stats.
Alcohol-related violence has big impacts on other people.
you should watch snooker online live any profesional game, doesnt need to be sulivan any pro players ussually from uk tv. But make sure you have pizza , popcorn beer, lounch, youw wife to have smth to do as it may take so long 1 game. heck you may see them playing for days :D especially than it goes toward snooker, you will see them get in snooker than shooting from 3 walls touch red and it comes beck in same place where it was again in snooker on other side of pool desk. Btw snooker dek is huge, holes are smaller, balls are smaller, and samll walls near pockets are diferent those will spit ball out if you touch them, actually in mis pockets they can send ball beck at you
Hmm now that you mention that, dont recall having seen snooker players smoking while playing snooker on tournaments 🤣🤣
Ben Shephard, the guy on the extreme right, is well know to Aussies. He’s new to This Morning….the original host was sacked.
If it saves just 1 life it's worth it.
Glad to have stopped smoking this January on my 67th birthday. All by myself. - And just some days ago I read here in Germany that there are politicians wishing to take over that english possible plan. 💖🙂
Not enforceable really, its either legal or its not. Will be a huge increase in black market cigarette's which will be hard to police. If someone wants to smoke thats up to them really. Vapes need to be banned in public though.
Ads,especially before the 70s,promoted smoking as sexy and cool🎩
As a smoker myself I support this legislation!
From 16 I was a smoker now 60+, but not a heavy smoker,prob 15 in 24hrs,tried stopping several times longest I went was a month,then.just before the millennium I got the flu still smoked I got to stage I couldn't breath took me 15mins to climb 12 steps reach my flat I ended up with pleurisy, I recovered eventually, come the millennium that new years ever night, 1999,I swore I would stop, and not touched a single fag/cigarette since,I put on 2 stone in weight for about 6month binge eating when git urge, but weight nearly normal now 12lb over ideal weight
Banning stuff never works, prohibition on your side was a disaster, prohibition 2 (the ear on drugs), the other American led war on its own citizens that it encourages everyone else to adopt- doesn't work. Al Capone, Pablo Escobar. This will be impossible to enforce, the cost of doing so would be greater than any savings on healthcare. Which is a resource allocation issue in that taxation isn't a easy to raise revenue, it is wealth redistribution- just like printing money, you print money and create value paying people to do stuff, wealth accumulates unfairly so you should tax wealth and put price controls on essentials to prevent inflation. Smokers pay through their contribution to society, like everyone else, people engauge in sorts out obese people require more care too, but people who live a long time will cost society even more as old people need a lot of care, yet it pales in insignificance compared with how many resources are allocated to multimillionaires and billionaires!😊
I am a non smoker, my whole family is, I raised non smoking children, HOWEVER, I am 100% for keeping the government out of my private affairs. Where would this end? Eating junk food is as bad as smoking cigarettes, not to mention alkohol. Either we are adults, and make our own choices, or we become infants of the government. Greetings from France, the last bastion for smokers :-)))) I see an immigration wave coming from Grey Britain.....sorry, Great Britain.....
Totally agree im more concerned about the government than an idiot who ignores the warning signs all over a pack of cigarettes
@@chsh1 Exactly. This is just an excuse for the government to take away our rights, and these idiots cannot see it coming. It is amazing how willingly they give up their freedom just because they are too weak to make the right choices. So in 20 or so years some adults will be allowed to smoke according to their age, and others not? How bizzarre is that. And will police raid their homes if they smell cigarette smoke??? Where will this end? We have seen during covid what government is capable of doing concerning our rights.
I'm an ex-smoker (after 50 years), but this method is set to be absurd in the short to medium term. We will be approaching an illogical situation where two adults will be subject to different penalties of the same law simply by virtue of their age.
Pipe and Cigar tobacco causes higher numbers of mouth and throat cancer cases, than regular smoking does (pro rata), so Ryan, it is every bit as unhealthy as cigarettes.
Happy St. George's day
This is such a weird one. I personally hate the Tories, but this seems to me to be a genuine attempt to improve public health at the expense of the profits of a giant self-serving industry, which is very un-Tory-like of them. So I'm sort of impressed. On the other hand, I don't agree with the ban - I believe in bodily autonomy, and I don't think _any_ drugs should be illegal. Cigarettes should be heavily discouraged - the indoor smoking ban, higher taxes, and various other measures have served that function very well, and in a very short time it had reduced the amount of cigarettes smoked in the UK anyway. I see no reason why further similar measures can't further reduce smoking.
I don't find the 'gangs will sell cigarettes' argument all that convincing, though. People take drugs because they have desirable psychological effects, which smoking does not (except for those already addicted, and nicotine rushes for very new smokers). The only market gangs would have is for those who already smoke, who can buy cigarettes legally anyway.
Nicotine pouches are a thing now instead
I wonder how much it will cost them in lost TAX Revenue on tobacco products as opposed to Health Costs via the NHS to treat all the Smokers and those that breath in the second hand smoke.
Last year it cost the NHS and estimated £2.5Billion to treat patients with smoking problems and Tax income from tobacco products brought in £10.3Billion. This is why many rich Tory MPs didn't vote for this, as they are making personal profits from smoking.
That is treatment and end of life care as peoples lungs are eaten by cancer. You are ignoring lost productivity and extra costs through ill health and people going on the sick (simply because they can’t walk far due to failing hearts), benefits paid to those losing sight, increased infant deaths, respiratory deaths, more sick days, etc.
Covid produced interesting stats (UK Biobank study). The lowest smoking rates were in 86+ year olds because many of the smokers were already dead by then. Under age 69, smokers were twice as likely to be infected (weakened immune systems or not being able to comprehend basic health advice?) - that could have cut hospital admissions by 12%. Of those that were hospitalised in the study, 29% of current smokers, 27% previous smokers and 18% non smokers died (this was a total of 1,500 hospitalised from a study size of 400k and was in first quarter of 2020 before treatments became more effective).
I don't know if it's cultural or genetic, but it's true