First Take - NBA - Top 5 Players - Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade Not On List
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- čas přidán 26. 09. 2012
- ESPN First Take Interview with Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless about the Top 5 NBA Players and how Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade should be on the list
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Deron Williams and Kevin Love in the Top 10 hahaha times changed
its because lebron is making his teammates better
juventinos81 then surly Kevin love would be higher now than back in 2011-12? Kevin love is barely top 20 now
my comment was sarcastic and ironic
juventinos81 oh right lol I get it now
juventinos81 fg went up 10%
“Dirk might be done next year” .. * plays like 6-7 more years 🤣🤣
Bruh man's legit the reason I fell in love with the NBA in 06
Barely lol but he’s playing
Let’s be honest. Dirk has been done in terms of being relevant as a top NBA player for years. He just enjoyed being an NBA player to stay for longer
Not to mention he made another All star team after this in 2015
2 years from now it will be definitely Carmelo 😂😂
It's crazy watching this in 2018 lol
hotwings1024 lmao I know right? Dwight top 5? Rose healthy? CP3 considered the best point guard? Yup, this is definitely 2012 alright
Ikr. Deron Williams top 10 player
Just as crazy in 2019
Kevin love top 10 lol
I'm watching in 2019 lol
When skip said "My big man" I thought he was talking about Tim Duncan then he spit the name Andrew Bynum out of his mouth 😩
JS The Operator 🤣🤣🤣
Facts wtf skeep
Same
Somebody call Shannon on this man
I thought he wd say tiago splitter
The praise carmelo got back then, now my man getting passed around like a blunt
Im dead lol
Still wasn’t top 10 by the analysts
Ethan Ennis mistake
@@nickjones5495 100% a mistake, melo in 2013 was better than kobe and wade.
Dalton Farris I think this list was originally made around 2011. If that’s the case. Melo was definitely not better than wade and Kobe at the time. But in 2013 I’d take melo over them easily. Still should be top 10 on that list tho
6 years later Dirk still playing lol
LOOOOOOOOOL yeah noticed that too "he'll play for another 2-3 years"
88smjls just set an NBA record playing his 21st season with one team
Just announced his retirement tonight lol 😫
88smjls not anymore fucker
Slither Down chill asshole
This is so entertaining lol. I miss the old First Take
Fr lol
It would cost espn 15 mil+ to kept this first take crew
@Charles James skip and shannon is probably better for me abit more comedic and just better watching,but like first take awsell but they come on slight 2nd I'm from Australia and not used to sports being spoken about in this way its gold
This was Watch The Throne for sports media guys
Hearing this in 2019 sounds ridiculous😂😂
i get howard rose cp3 at the time pre injuries at their age but love over wade?..what drugs were they on...love never led the t wolves anywhere...meaningless stats...and kobe not top 5 was a joke
Good old days
Quarantine hitting you too huh
Facts
Kinda wish we could see Stephen A. And Skip go at it again
Crazy is melo wasn’t top 10 bck den Lmaooo
Did he just say Andrew Bynum is a top 5 player 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Connor Darrigo lol there was a debate back then between Andrew and Dwight... times has changed😂😂
Connor Darrigo my Sixers traded for him and he never played.. 😭
No way bynum was ever better than Dwight
Connor Darrigo it’s the Kobe effect
@@Tybone-zq4zh bynum was a beast
I come back to these videos everytime I need to remind myself who really stood up for Kobe back before he went away
RIP Mamba and Mambacita
Crazy watching this in 2020
Funny looking back at this list
This is how the media treated the great Kobe Bryant his entire career. 5 time nba champ, league mvp, over 33k points, numerous unexplained scoring games of 81 points, 65 points, first team all nba a record 15 times, all defensive 1 st team 9 times, etc! So disrespectful to the games greatest player.
Mike909ism *6th or 5th greatest
The media dickride Kobe foh lmao dwade was the one who was disrespected by the media
@@cosmicwarrior1857 facts
*7th or 8th best
Mike909ism I agree
1:21 Future Hall of Famer Kobe Bryant 😥
Howard above Kobe? CP3 above Wade? Blasphemy
absolutely right friend. disagree with them slightly with D. Rose tho. IF healthy, he definitely top 5 that year n overall career season.
Howard in 2011 and a part of 2012 was a top 3 player in the world
Greatomeister Dwight was the best big man but by no means was he top 3 overall in the world
Blasphemy
Abdul Shah I’m not talking basketball with anyone named abdul sorry 🤷🏾♂️
Wade, Jordon,Bryant, are the Greatest SG ever,ever,ever to play this game .
franklin herrera and Harden
franklin herrera Jerry West over wade
Nah I think Wade is better than West.
Wade is the best heatle of all time
LeThanos West wasn’t a sg dumb ass
Stephen A earned some points with me for putting Dirk in his top 5👍🏼
I love how Tim Duncan is nowhere to be seen in these type of list year after year but the same people say he's top 10 ever
He doesn’t get media coverage
Rings and his playstyle wasn't flashy so he usually flew under the radar.
Duncan didn’t average 20+ after the 06-07 season. He’s just consistent and so were the spurs. He averaged in the low teens so they couldn’t put him in the top ten
This was shortly after the 2011-12 season and Tim didn't make the all-star game because he only played 58 games. Tim made the allstar game the following year and the lost in the Final to the Heat in 7.
you do realize he was 21 when he came into the nba and by 2012 he was what 35?...you idiot...
this is so entertaining. Skip and Stephen really fit together when it comes do debating:-)
"Dirk might be done in 2-3 years" lmfaooooo
And Lebron beat Kd in the finals that year
*Lol Dirk still playing*
Groovy K he is done
Groovy K it was the year before that I think bro
Groovy K they called Dwyane Wade a two time Champion so that means they had already beaten OKC and were about to beat the Spurs that same year
"lebron beat kd in the finals" bro u know nothing about basketball. keep checking ur phone for alerts instead of studying the game lmao
‘Dirk might be done in 2-3 years’ LOLLLL
He was.
thsu8 this was in 2012, so he actually lasted 2-3 times as long as everyone thought lol
Flashbacks. Good times still watching in 2019. Anyone else??
“The black mamber” 😂😂😂😂
1:20 RIP Kobe
This list was based on what the players did the year before, and what they were expected to do going into the upcoming season. LeBron was the reigning MVP, NBA Champion, and Finals MVP. KD led the Thunder to the NBA Finals and was last season's leading scorer. Dwight Howard was the best center, defender, and rebounder in basketball. And he was expected to make a full recovery from his injuries from the year before (which he didn't). CP3 was the best PG in the NBA and people expected the Clippers to domimate the West the following season. D-Rose is the only one that bothers me. He only played in half the games the year before and he didn't play at all in the following season
Kobe AVG 28 and got Dwight Howard and Steve Nash on his team now, how were the Clippers and cp supposed to be better?? Wade won the ring too, so Rose and cp out for them....
Rose was always overhyped
Stop it 😂 drose just led his team to the conference finals and had a top 2 seed and got injured.
Seeing kevin love above wade was a joke....like please stop it espn
4:11 Skip talking like Kobe cost him $40K in Vegas
Anyone here and 2020 December
Still watching it 2020
This is blasphemous..i mean rose cp 3 and howard ahead of flash and mamba hahahha never.
Totaly agree with stephen a smith on this one
Lukas Calov Lets not forget Rose was reigning MVP
@@nolimitmiller everybody knew he wasnt a top 5 player still
@ @@yallaretrippin7947 except that he was. you blind
@@jerryren2645 he wasnt he just had a very exciting play style
Emilio Avila he wasn’t... this was the season after Lebron won his first ring
Crazy watching this now in 2018
Myles Smith I found it funny af when they said Dirk would be retired in 1-3 years and yet it’s 6 years later and he’s still on the Mavericks lmao
0:31 "dont look at me"😭😭
Crazy watching this in 2022! Man the NBA was great back than. So many memories.
It’s crazy how kd and lebron still going at it in 2023 they been the best since 2011
Watching this in 2020 is fucking insane.
Legendary segment
Watching this in 2021 crazy
Got recommended this in 2019 oof
It’s crazy watching this in 2020 😂😂 #ripkobe
Man the good ole days😌 I miss them together
I remember watching this show while getting ready for school. Good ol days
skip is a gem for first take, miss this version of first take so much
A Gem? He doesn't know sports he is the biggest hypocrite covering sports, hes uses his personal bias to agrue his points. Hes actually a cancer to sports
Dont know how Carmelo wasn't in top ten
That’s a fact Eli in his prime has always been a top 6 to 15 players
@@waynewilliamsxpertsplashman now he is in top 1000
Bronson Vargas this was the year before he had that great year
Bronson Vargas because he was always losing, inefficient, and played no defense ever.
and this year was acctually his best season..he was avg 28points
Steven A said the same exact thing I was thinking soon as that list came up on screen. I miss the old SAS man lol
Damn time flies. The heat, d rose bulls, Kobe laker era felt like yesterday. And the Frankenstein knicks
its crazy watching this in 2020... Deron Williams wow!! 😭
At that time to me it was
1. LeBron
2. Kobe
3. KD
4. Wade
5. Melo
Kash Teller switch kobe and lebron i agree
You know basketball
I would put Dwight over melo, if its for 2012, but 2013 melo was better.
James Dawny Not in September of 2012. No way.
James Dawny you are obviously a kobrick fan
Crazy to see how the league can change
It's amazing (and really quite sad) that still, to this DAY, people don't understand that the ESPN list is not about ranking the players from the year before, it is about predicting where they will be the following year.
And it’s really sad that they had Dwight as a top 5 player after coming of back surgery that off season….. over KOBE 😂😂😂😂
@@deezosaintloyalDwight at that time was the best big man in the league.
@@CulEdz
He was coming off of back surgery, and Kobe had one of his best seasons and was healthy
Skip sticking up for Melo?! Jesus how time flies!
Kobe was arguably the best player in the league that year.
bron was 1 for sure then after that wade kobe or durant
Crazy how it’s 2020 and Bron still the best player
He’s top 3. Giannis is number one for me
man first take used to be my favourite show ever
Top 10 in 2012
1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Kobe
4. Wade
5. Rose
6. Howard
7. CP3
8. Carmelo
9. Westbrook
10. Dirk
Shortly after this the Mamba dunked on CP3 😂💪
Stephen a really loved that man
4:51 Skip really wanted ta say Tiago Splitter
Summer 2013
1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Wade
4. Kobe
5. Carmelo
6. Paul
7. Rose
8. Parker
9. Howard
10. Westbrook
randall jacob u serious?😂😂 were u dropped as a baby
@randall jacob His list is right idiot 😂😂
Wade wasn’t better than Kobe in 2013 anyone who thinks that is fucking retarded
People don’t give Chris Paul enough credit for being this good for this long
Truth
Watching this in 2020 is surreal
Watching this 9 years later is crazy
LMAO KLove over dwade????? Top 5? FOH!
am crying
At the time it was a genuine argument because wade had fallen off and love was at his scoring prime
@@thekylekyleson9073 No chance im hell dude are you stupid? Love was scoring on a team where he was the only guy. He still played no D and was never leader Wade was nor as clutch as Wade. Put the pipe down bud
Hunter Conrad klove was never better than dwade. Not at least maybe 2017 or 2018 dwade.
This is when Kevin love was getting 20 20 games on a regular
I love Kobe, not because he died early, but because he inspired pretty much all of my teammates in high school basketball. That being sade, Dwayne Wade was a better player. This whole conversation stunk, and I'll even say I was wrong as long as someone can admit this list was stupid.
Dwayne Wade was better that year? Or career? Because Wade was NOT a better player than Kobe overall.
Iconic duo and look at the top players 2012 damn shit has changed
How times have changed
Oh, how the times have changed.
At the time :
1. Kobe
2. LeBron
3. Kevin Durant
4. Dwayne Wade
5. Carmelo Anthony
I remember that like it was yesterday.
watching this in 2018 n think about how different things are
Stephen A never seemed to understand you can’t rank single seasons based on career achievements. Kobe and Wade were both a little past their prime in that season, and yes Chris Paul was clearly top 5 that season.
SAS had it twisted CP3 was definitely top 5, but kobe definitely shouldve been, and you could easily make a case for dwade
I miss these days they cracked me up.
Watching in 2022...
Skip consistent on KD and LBJ.
Kobe was literally the best player in the league that yr and deserved MVP.
LAL would have beat The Spurs in the playoffs if Kobe didnt get hurt too...
Derrick rose isn't on wades level
nikeman116 before injury he was past his level
nikeman116 You’re right, he was already better at the time
Keane Martin d wade had a gang of MVP roses best season
@@keanemartin2738 He was injured already when they made this segment
@@keanemartin2738 Rose was never better than Wade.
Watching in 2021
gold stuff
Skip has always hated Lebron 😂😂😂😂
kevin bryant cuz le3-6 is trash
MerryMerauder Aka Luka ? No
MerryMerauder Aka Luka Weakest move is being a MVP winner, leading a team with 2 future Mvps in Westbrook and harden and an all star in Ibaka but can't win a ring, leads 3--1 but chokes and loses to the Warriors. Cries and then joins this same team that beats him who are already champions before he came and have the best record in NBA history 73-9 and already has a 2 time MVP and 3 other all stars to chase a ring. This is the weakest move. Ever. A snake was born. A flaky cupcake snake. The weakest move ever!
2011/12 season
1. Lebron/Kobe/Wade
4. KD
5. I'll give it to CP3/Dwight
this was after the 2011 season, before the 2012 season started. No way D-Rose is not top five at that moment in time.
10 and 12 nope this was after the Lockout so it was after the 2011-2012 season. They even Mention the playoff series the Thunder blew the Lakers out of (2012 WCSF). After the 2011 season no way Skip would have/allow Lebron to be top 5..... Lebron needed that ring to shut Skip up, and he did, until Ray Allen hit that shot in 2013.
You’re dumb af. KD was better than Kobe and Wade at this point
@@btl_0072 KD was an unproven baby then.
Wade and kobe were still better
Attention Currsexuals
KD already has the same amount of scoring titles as KoBrick this early into his career. Won his 3rd this bee season as well, he was proven. Kobe was t on his level, neither was Wade.
Kevin Love was a stud back in the day 🙌
Watching this in 2020 hit different , the NBA had changed
“dirk might be done by next year”
Re-ranking these players (not adding/subtracting any of them, just re-arranging)
(1)LeBron James
(2)Kevin Durant
(3)Derrick Rose
(4)Kobe Bryant
(5)Dwyane Wade
(6)Chris Paul
(7)Dwight Howard
(8)Kevin Love
(9)Russell Westbrook
(10)Deron Williams
Derrick rose was not better than Wade and Kobe going into the 2013 season moron. Hell he never was for that matter
@@IamSSAINVINCIBLEx He was definitely better than Wade, because he carried them to the ECF. Wade at that point couldn't get out of the first round/make playoffs until LeBron joined him. You could argue Kobe but its not given bc this was made in 2012 going into 2013, when Rose led his team to top of the league record 2 straight years and the ECF in 2011 while Kobe was then 2 years removed from his most recent championship and had been 1-8 in the second round since then too
@@Supermariohoops24 He was definitely not better than Wade you're on meth. Wade's numbers were better across the board than Rose in 2012 and finished with the 3rd highest PER in the league while finishing top 5 in DPOY voting. Slap yourself out of that dream you're in bud
SSA INVINCIBLEx 1st in the NBA record with injuries, averaged more APG and better shooting splits, and they didn’t have the advanced metrics like we see today until after the 2013-2014 year. Why do you think MCW won rookie of the year and has been shit since? Bulls would’ve beat the Heat that year too, which would’ve only inflated Rose’s place, probably close to LeBron
Watching this in 2024 is crazy 😂
I love this so much
#2019
1. Lebron
2. D wade
3. Kd
4. Kobe
5. Melo
Mo 2k nah
Mo 2k gross
It's almost 2019 and the top 5 players are Lebron, KD, Steph, AD and Giannis. The league changes for the better
Kawhi better than AD and Greek Freak
@@chriscothron9728 fuck no he ain’t
@@knucklesaukuso5086 he was when this comment was made 3 years ago.
Crazy watching this in 2020 lol
It crazy watching this in 2020 lol.
1: LeBron James
2: Durant or Bryant
3: Bryant or Durant
4: CP3
5: Wade
Manuel Balcarce perfect list Durant 2 tho
Why is lebron 1. What did he win at this point? What did he do?
@@jamesdawny1855 dont ask dumb questions
melo 6 westbrook 7....I think those were the 7 best players in the nba…dwight was like 8th
@S Wavey in no world was he WAY better than bron in 2012. If u wanna say better, then cool. Even though you're wrong. Kobe was not better than him after 2010. Uo to that point, yeah he was better. After lebron left Cleveland, no. Bron was the best player on the planet. Who won and who was better are NOT the same
And let's not act like bron hadnt already been an mvp in 09.
I like how skip don’t want to bring up the 2011 playoffs how they beat the Trail Blazers, 2 time defending champion lakers, the thunder since he loved kd, then the heats big 3 he don’t want to bring that up but he wants to bring Ik how his averages were down
It's crazy watching this in 2019 lol
Its crazy to watch this now!😂
At that time it was:
1. LeBron
2.Kobe
3.KD
4.Wade
5. Rose
6. CP3
... idk bout the next guys
Boy TrueBlue facts
Memo was 8th after Dwight
Yeah let me just confirm with NBA 2K13 LOL
Dirk just signed a 2 yr contract so in 7 years from this time he's still in the NBA 😂😂💯
Shymooney Rodgers dirk is a boss
@freezingcoldtakes
Dat aint age well
I would pay to see this 2 again on the same table.
classic first take...D-Wade a legend and RIP Kobe
6:07 He's a baby!
Not when Wade is healthy(better passer, defender, better ball handling and better drive, right now more athletic too)
I can't belive he stece said dirk would be done in two or 3 years and skip said next year he might be done. It is now 2019 and up until just a few days ago was still an active player on the same team as always
Watching this in 2022 and it’s still a goldmine 😂😂