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You’ve hit the nail on the head with how players play these days. Happens in Halo Infinite too, no one wants to use the vehicles in any kind of cohesive fashion like we used to in Halo 2/3
Team oriented play is on its way out in mainstream gaming I think. Real shame. Met some great people in game chat back in the day on the 360 and even early days of PS4.
@@Djuuuuuu I don't know how the reward system works in halo infinite, but perhaps they are letting everyone level up (no matter how shit they play) in order to unlock stuff in the battle pass. This then incentivises some people to buy the battle pass.
I've gone back to BF3 and it blows these newer ones out of the water. Still well populated servers and its full of veterans who know how to actually play the game right.
A couple of reviews have made me laugh as well by making a big deal of how "this is the first entry in the series EVER not to have a single player campaign". Erm, 1942 and Vietnam (which was really just a re-skin of 1942) didn't either, they just had bot matches. But I guess they don't count for some reason, right?
Yep the vehicle ettiquete comments are very true come to think of it. I remember in BF2 even playing with bots, you had a quick chat shortcut to ask for a ride and if a bot was passing by with a vehicle they would stop by you and honk their horn. In 2042 you cant even spawn as a passenger in a vehicle at the start of a match so all the vehicles speed off to objectives to get their xp while the other 50+ players per team have to either run for a couple of minutes or redeploy at an objective closer to the fight.
karmakut has a milsim esque portal sever for bf3 and 1942 with no hud, fraction relevant weapons etc.. i highly recommend his you tube channel to get these server names and you will get more of the old bf vibe from what i have seen and loads more team work
I'm new to battlefield only played battlefield 1 online and this one but when I spawned in a new game in a vehicle i'd wait for people to get in.... They proceeded to just run past which is like a 5 min run from spawn to an objective ol, I honked the horn and nothing lol.
The casuals have truly infected every one of our spaces. Even anime recently, sigh. There is no where left to go after that. Maybe painting Warhammer figurines lol.
I've pretty much given up on modern gaming. It's been good actually. With the money saved this year I've bought 2 beautiful Guitars (6 & 7 string). A nice new Guitar amp, various pedals, Studio Monitors and loads of plugins. I've actually been enjoying using my PC again. All thanks to the AAA gaming industry! Don't worry, I still watch your videos for a good laugh mate. Cheers.
“In Battlefield 2042, you stand with the No-Pats, a group of refugee soldiers who fight for both sides. Join the battle as a specialist with a unique sexuality and race. However, weapon and equipment loadouts are all up to you. You know how to navigate in a gimpsuit, right?”
5:15 That point about people rushing is correct in these types of games. The players who actually play the game in that way can be found in games like Squad nowadays. People need to stand the risk of being one-shot from out of nowhere and then put in a 30 sec respawn timer to actually play games the correct way.
or in older battlefield games. BF 3 and 4 still have pretty good player bases with people who actually want to play a battlefield game instead of call of duty.
Battlefield has really gone downhill. I think BF 1 was the last game I sort of liked, and that was only because WW1 was one of my favorite history periods
but even that game they couldnt help but add dumb stuff to make it more arcade like. Everyone has submachine guns with red dot sights in ww1. It was leaps ahead of bf5 and this travesty but the writing was on the wall already.
TLDR: Battlefield has lost it's way. Personally I acknowledge my bias, I grew up playing these games and thus I want that classic squad based strategic shooter where everybody has to play a role. I understand why they've chosen to go in the hero shooter direction, and get rid of voicechat and get rid of the scoreboard; I just don't like it. Maybe there is hope for portal.
Do like most of us and move on. Its obvious they do not want us as customers any longer. they want that Fortnite cod money. Apex legends success is the cause of it all for EA's BF 2042. Its not going to get better as the release cycle is now shorter than its ever been for BF. Its just another franchise EA destroyed.
@@teddybear1342 Yeah I was not happy with V, especially when it went 50% off 3 weeks after launch. But I think 2042 seals the deal. Been meaning to get into Squad but it's intimidating.
In BF42 and 2, I used to specialize in sneaking around the frontline and capturing points the other team wasn't guarding. That created a ton of memorable moments, including an evening-long Enemy at the Gates style rivalry with another scout, among other things. With the newer games, I feel like the EA "pre-packaged experience" philosophy shows once again. It feels like they've got a list of gameplay situations they want players to experience and they built the game specifically for those, but nothing more. Instead of building a gameplay loop that works, they tend to build gameplay tours. It's like splicing together trailers to make a movie. Sure, you get all the explosions and set pieces, but you'll miss out on the substance and repeat enjoyment. And that just won't make for a good game in the long run.
Yeah, that's a really decent description! Similar kind of thing with the far cry games, and the obsession with "emergent gameplay"...I was playing coop on ready or not with a mate last week and, after dying heaps of times together, he clears a room single handedly and says to me: "That's how this is done. These big AAA companies, they just don't get it do they - it doesn't mean anything if it isn't earned"
You know what you’ve nailed it down. The decisions for these games by EA and Dice are made by charts and trends. Fickle garbage. After and around battlefield 4 their design philosophy order changed from ‘gameplay -> map design -> art direction -> trailer’ To ‘ current trend -> trailer / scenario -> map aesthetics art direction -> map design -> gameplay’ And not just pulling this out my ass. Numerous interviews with former dice employees around
Dude people have been playing games like that for years. Every time I jump into a team shooter everyone just runs straight to the enemy to try and get a quick kill. COD has a lot to answer for.
Yep. Happens in Seige which is a tactical game they wanna just rush in without thinking I've actually been kicked out of matches simply cos I'm the only one left alive.
Lol you had me at the flanking part, spot on. I also find this hilarious sometimes in similar situations, its like 75% of the team has a single brain cell to realise you can flank enemies. I'm generally rubbish at BF, but I do know how to use a map to its advantage, Im often the only person running down the edge to get behind enemy lines, while the rest of my squad are aimlessly running into no mans land, when they are all dead they miraculously all spawn on my hard work getting into enemy occupied areas.
I just made a choke point with a sniper on battlefield 1 to help my team cap an objective because they kept being stupid and the enemy never caught on to me being basically out of bounds next to their spawn point
I’ve not bothered with it when I saw it at launch.. no create a class, 120 players is just absolute chaos, no scoreboard whatsoever which is ridiculous and the vehicle spam especially the overpowered hovercraft I just didn’t bother buying it.. I may give it a chance later on but comes nowhere near BF4 which I’ll stick with
@@gaz8177 Yeah, me too. I love bf games, I am currently even enjoying BF5, but after watching many reviews I thought it shouldn't be right to buy 2042. It's a total. Downgrade from other games. Btw, I've made the mistake to pre order a CP2077. Now I've learned to never do that again hahahahah
Good to have you back, Mack! Hope you're recovering quickly and well. I just wanted to let you know that I've been going on an absolute mad lad binge of ALL your videos in the last few weeks. Love your content, honesty and humor. Thanks for that!
They basically taught players not to flank when they invented the rush mode and you got killed if you went too far off the map. Or when the only way to advance on Metro in BF3 was to go through several chokepoints, it was the same on Operation Locker.
I still have nightmares of that one map on bf3 where there is like a single narrow straight corridor from one point to the next, and all people did was just launch rockets and grenades down that one corridor, what a slog it was to cross that part of the map
The irony is not lost on me, our world is more connected and "social" than ever before but the amount of teamwork is today's games is awful. People are closer than ever but we're more isolated than ever also.
Honestly mate, you saying you haven't played in 3 weeks is almost review enough. I feel you are like me and many other fans where we've been though the stages of grief in the past 5 years or so and have now come to the acceptance stage and we just don't care enough anymore.
To be fair in every map objective game, the majority of players just mindlessly rush forward. Only a handful of people will be thinking about the big picture and flank.
Mack saw an article that mentioned that the game has lost over 70% of its player base not surprising really. Thanks for your time and efforts on this non review. Hope you heal soon. Cheers.
As previous comments have said, Hell let loose deserves your attention, once you've mended that is. Great video btw, all the main points of why I didn't get on with this game, far to chaotic.
The Call of Duty and Battlefield series have been designed around 'spray and pray' chaos for decades now. It's how they have casualised the formula underneath and it's total trash. I'm not surprised you mention Hell let loose as a game more worth of attention. And there are quite a few like that, that simply have much better gameplay that is more focused on actual skill and less on 'total chaos'.
I'm not a massive fan of Hell Let Loose, Post Scriptum, Squad - I respect them loads, but they just frustrate me in practise. The Red Orchestra/Rising Storm games are for me a nice half-way house between hardcore and the rank carnival of nonsense that BF/COD has become
@@Ukbrummie no solo mode as far as I'm aware - the community's generally all right but, it really does rely on communication and I usually used to end up in non English speaking servers which was always awkward
Regarding people running right down the middle- I think it’s just what’s been encouraged by gaming trends. A lot of shooters have become ‘twitch-based’ in the sense that they’re more dependent on quick reflexes and stuff like that. There’s been a huge shift from ‘macro’ tactics like flanking and positioning to micro-ones such as peeking, quickscoping headglitching, corner camping, etc. The speed at how fast everything is in a lot of shooters these days really enforces this- there are fast TTKs, fast-shooting weapon’s, fast spawns, smaller maps- everything’s meant to get players into action as fast as possible. Of course they’re going to get out of spawn and run in the general direction of the enemy ASAP. Why would they waste time flanking when they’re liable to just instantly die and have to spawn all the way back at base, when that same time could be used recklessly charging into chaos and potentially racking up kills? It’s an instant gratification vs long- term thing, I think.
Mack, I believe part of the reason games were so good back then is also because they were a novelty. Battlefield back then was something brand new. Nothing like it had ever existed before. So the endorphin levels involved in experiencing something like that for the first time were off the charts. You can't ever match the first high. Trust me!
The reason games aren't as good is because the passion just isn't there it's more about money now, this is a huge reason why indie devs are still making quality games because they aren't corporate scum
@@XxWolfxWaRioRxX so true, just look at COD. The first ones where really great (for its time), nowadays its just milk whatever that can be milked and push your product on as many as possible. Why? Cuz we just want money
Why is EVERYONE saying the older maps are better? Why are there no bots? We had such technology 20 years ago. Why is there no LAN support? Why is there no mod support? Changing some numbers in Portal is not mod support, that is a .ini edit, learn the difference. Can you even host your own server for free using your own machine? I remember that in a BF game, can't remember which one, they removed that feature and forced you to RENT (couldn't even buy it forever) one of their servers if you want your own server. As it stands Battlefield 2042 is an objectively inferior product with less features when compared to Battlefield 1942 from 20 years ago.
@@XxWolfxWaRioRxX It's also because of a lack of innovation, you can only play the same thing so many times before you loose interest. Battlefield 2042's issues isn't a lack of innovation, its problem too much innovation, too much in the wrong directions.
This argument has been made so many times and it just doesnt hold water. It is a provable matematical fact that games now are deliberately simplified and made easier. I am a younger gamer who has missed the old games, but every time I play an old game now or a game is made in the spirit of old games like Pathfinder for example I am blown away by the level of detail and just how much everything makes sense compared to games now. They are hard to play forcing you to learn the game and utiliaze all its features which is rewarding and fun. You see clear as day with every new instalment the game being stripped of features and depth. You dont even know why you play anymore, there is no way to actually fail to complete a game and there is nothing to learn. Its brainless , waste a couple of hours, entertainment. Its for passive passionless shallow people. And if you cannot see that maybe you are that kind of person.
The community of gamers who use tactics, mics, and teamwork have moved away from the battlefield series. It used to b my fav series but now I play games like Squad. Ur 100% right that most gamers just run in a straight line towards the enemy, and I blame the education system for this whole mess in gaming n irl
'Could've' lets them off the hook. These games SHOULD be better. Much, much better. Imagine these same development budgets going to studios 15 years ago and the masterpieces that could've been made... It's fucking disgraceful. But today's gaming is what you get when hiring is done by political loyalty instead of experience and skill.
You should try the new Jewel on earth in gaming Hell Let Loose, its propper propper hardcore oldschool multiplayer with lots of tactics and serieus gamers
You are right about the players. Happens even on smaller gamemodes like rush. They never seem to understand that throwing smokes is the way to go as an attacker...
Me and me brother used to play Battlefield Vietnam in a PC place called WireWorld - it was so great being there with everyone, every weekend for about a year, one of the best gaming experiences anyone could have. The franchise now can really be used as a prime example of how gone to shit everything is.
Hey Mack! When you've recovered to the point you can play fps again (hopefully very soon), check out Hell Let Loose! A proper strategic fps game, where people actually work together
Once your arm is is feeling better, you should take another look at Squad. It has completely changed since your review 5 years ago, and will give you the tactical game that you want from the sounds of it in the video. Or if you like the WWII theme then you should try Hell Let Loose.
I completely agree but I’ve asked him about Squad for years and he always just says that the game isn’t for him. Then he reviews battlefield and complains that nobody is coordinated. He says he wants a more realistic team play experience but then ignores squad completely even though he hasn’t touched it in years and it’s exactly what he describes wanting to experience. Don’t understand that but hey, Mac is a mysterious creature.
I'd say post scriptum is far more immersive. Sound design is absolutely spot on, and graphics are a little better. Hell let loose is pretty good but the very poor sound design kills the immersion for me. However hell let loose has put way more effort into marketing and drawing more players in.
I'm betting the specialists crap is just so they can try wedge in skins and more specialists with microtransactions later. It's not about the games any more, it's all about how they can get the absolute maximum monetisation possible.
Ofc it is. This game was supposed to be battle royale = hazard zone only, the conquest mode was an addition to the game, that was in developtment for 15 month only. Pathetic.
It's true no one uses team work or plays the objective today. I kind of blame it on party chat I think that's what really ruined the social dynamic. I remember back in the day there was some games that required you to be in game chat like mw2. Multi-player was more fun when most people communicated. Now it's all about each individual player and their gain rather then winning the match like call of duty.
Squad is a superior game and actually has large maps and coordination but for whatever reason you never revisited it for a review even though they’ve added vehicles and helicopters. Squad is simply the best FPS that exists today for teamwork and big maps.
Battlefield 4 is still very playable, many active servers. If people want mindless fun by running towards one point on map and shot - there is TDM. Conquest and rush for more tactical gameplay. After all those years I still have lots of fun with this (bf4) game.
If you want a better substitute for B1942 - Hell Let Loose is the game to play! When you get into a server where everyone is playing as it's designed - my god it's awesome!
im glad a huge name like you are calling out the players in the FPS games. I've been thinking the same thing for a couple years now. Its rare to find a team of ppl who will work together and strategize! I miss BFBC and BF3 back in the day, for me the was the pinnacle.
'They don't know what they're doing with the franchise, and I think they should start listening to the people how play it.' This strikes me as the most incredibly obvious business strategy and I have no idea how no one at EA/DICE at a corporate level realizes the importance of selling to their existing target market rather than some audience invented to fit their hopes for monetization. They are so focused on having the most profitable monetization (lead designer, only previous work was candy crush, quit just after 2042 launch) that they are not doing any market research on their target audience and are totally tone deaf to what their customers actually want to buy from them. Just from a business perspective, it's totally unreal.
Its unfortunate but such games do play like this nowadays around the launch period, as a lot of people who have no real interest and time to put in also hop in. In a few months time though, genuine strategies start emerging, bcz people who remain are the ones that either know of them or learn them with time, and it becomes much more competitive. Bf5 right now is in such a state where people actually put effort, strategize and play properly.
Yeah when BF5 strategies come together it is a thing of beauty I have had a couple of games where the win was literally 5-0 / 10-0 things like that really close and it was because the two teams were really well balanced and trying different strategies and counters.
@@fishmanfairclough7530 The fundamentals of the gameplay were there from the start, they just needed to work on it and refine it after launch. Unfortunately they went into other directions after launch, tried to dial back the tactical and classic teamwork stuff they built into it, by making it more casual friendly(though they did reverse most of them back again). Its still the best frostbite bf game in the classic bf regards, but also with the glorious destruction, visuals and gunplay that modern frostbite enables.
Anyone remember MAG? Those Devs got it right; 128v128 combat, one team pushing the objectives, another defending them but unlike Battlefield, it was organised because the objectives weren't all over the place. They were in a line the whole width of the map and if one platoon got the objectives on the flanks, you'd be able to rush the defenders into the middle, you know using those things called tactics. This was over 10 years ago, with 256 players feeling just like they're in a war. Bring back MAG! Oh and don't forget the CLASS SYSTEM with skill trees!
Games back then had soul. There were a lot of technical obstacles, so you had to push your creative output all the time. Now it’s aesthetically pleasing but hollow. It’s not about making the best game you can make, or a game that you want to play yourself, it’s just about reaching the bare minimum of standards not pushing anything besides graphics and demand a premium price, each year.
To anyone who wants FPS with big maps, large variety of weapons and vehicles , actual Roles and team tactics where team play is rewarded and running like a moron by yourself is punished - then i can't recommend enough : Squad . Massive maps, 100 players per map , great weapon ballistics . You definitely will have to use mic or you will get kicked out from most of squads (they do mic checks at the start of game) , you will have to work with your team and squad leader and it takes some time learning how everything works because Squad has quite few mechanics compared to your mainstream shooters but it is definitely worth it. I spent nearly 300 hours playing it and every game is different and amazing.
The exact same thing kept happening to me. Everyone on my team would care less about capturing points except for me so I'd be the sole person running back and forth between two points trying to maintain them while everyone else on my team would go off and run around in circles or whatever it is they were doing. I was getting so mad at my team almost every match so I just stopped playing.
I tried almost all modern online shooters... the only ones I still have installed and are being played daily are: Wolfenstein Enemy Territory, Counter-Strike Source and Day of Defeat Source. I need to figure out how to get Battlefield 2.
Mack I believe the maps were one big map for a battle royal originally, they changed their mind and just split them up. So not designed for conquest etc.
A fellow 1942 fan? Man I fucking adored that game, horrible memory here but my favourite map was probably the islands? It was on the smaller side of battlefield maps but having boats play as big of a role as tanks and choppers was so fun, it felt like an actual war. Air, navy and ground all rushing.
Graphics are stunning on max settings, all that needs fixing since the December 2021 Update is: -Balance the weapons in 2042 and Make better Hit detection -Make portal Large Conquest maps -Add More 2042 Maps -Add more weapons in 2042 -Improve performance -Fix bugs
Games 20 years ago, although sorta mainstream, were still largely played by nerds. Nerds are typically smarter people. Today, games are full-on mainstream meaning the average player is an average person. Long story short: yes, players are dumber on average now. Sorry, not sorry. It's a completely different audience.
I imagine the new generation just doesn't like teamwork. Strategic teamwork game like squad turned into chaos once it released and streamers hopped on the train :p
Your 100% correct. People lost the ability to think now. Thankfully I enjoyed bf1942 and the amazing tank rushes in the desert. Anyone remember the mod that made things modern? Ahh I forget the name but remember wrecking everyone with the a10 thunderbolt2
I've had the "stupid teammates don't flank" experience ever since the first BF I played online MP on when I got decent internet connection - BF 2142. So it's not a new problem I think.
Project Reality Mod for BF2 was the last decent Battlefield incarnation. Some of the guys from that madteam went off to Make Squad. So that's what those agree with this should be playing....
The last bit of fun i had in a BF game was Bad Company 2, before that was 1942. The only reason dice survived was because of modders like Desert Combat.
Mac, you should give Hell Let Loose a try. Although it is flooded with console dudesmen these days, the game itself is worth your attention. I think you'll like it!
Got a copy of BF2042 free with my RTX 3080 and can honestly say I've played it twice! The new maps are shite, far too flat with zero cover. The graphics are phenomenal though.
I feel ripped off myself. There are so many problems with this game from the bugs and things like a hovercraft being able to scale a 71 story building to the imbalance of vehicles and WAY too many people in matches. And the vehicles are basically impossible to kill snipe machines. There are many other issues but those are some of the glaring ones.
Out of curiosity what is the tune being played in the outro in the background? Also mack hope you get better soon so that you can enjoy Christmas mate you deserve it.
Mack! Heal up well & swiftly and get back to it! I have games I need you to review! Such as: Halo Campaign & MP, Full review of this game "2042", Icarus (Which we know how your gonna rate that pile), Thunder Tier One and Newly early access game "Breakwaters". Looking forward to seeing you back in action. Been watching your reviews since 13
In Portal mode, you need to find more serious servers. You can find servers where there's more teamwork and overall just taken more serious, thereby making it way more engaging. That's the one beauty of Portal as it's what you and the player base can make of it.
BF2042 can be fun and after some updates (more are still needed) I had a couple of fun games. Why or how? I was randomly put in the new awful squad system - together with people wanting to work together. Sorta how it happened by design in the older ones, due to classes? People did it anyone in a few games and it was SO FUN. People just refuse to work together, or don't know how to. Remove classes was a HUGE MISTAKE. At least restrict specialists to what they can equip. AT LEAST do that.
You should try War of Rights. The maps are actually kinda small compared to the size of BF. But because of how the game work they feel big and people work together and are organized. Even public servers with all the trolling and cancer memes and occasional toxicity are well organized compared to most of these modern FPS games. The catch I guess is that you have to like 19th century warfare:P
I stopped playing BF1 when became a sniper festival, no one playing the objective, even on game modes that you are supossed to rush and take the first two objectives so the map could progress, people would be snipping all match not moving one inch. Now I play just Overwatch, Im the Roadhog who plays the objective!
You’ve hit the nail on the head with how players play these days. Happens in Halo Infinite too, no one wants to use the vehicles in any kind of cohesive fashion like we used to in Halo 2/3
Team oriented play is on its way out in mainstream gaming I think. Real shame. Met some great people in game chat back in the day on the 360 and even early days of PS4.
since you get the same xp for a win or a loose it doesnt really matter, dunno what they were thinking... maybe its toxic with win rewards?
@@Djuuuuuu I don't know how the reward system works in halo infinite, but perhaps they are letting everyone level up (no matter how shit they play) in order to unlock stuff in the battle pass. This then incentivises some people to buy the battle pass.
People are braindeas these days. It pains me to see what gaming is becoming
People just seem to get in a warhog and kamakazi straight into the enemy... Pretty dumb
I've gone back to BF3 and it blows these newer ones out of the water. Still well populated servers and its full of veterans who know how to actually play the game right.
Agree - but the map rotation's a bit limited for me
bf4 is even better
bf3 is fantastic
A couple of reviews have made me laugh as well by making a big deal of how "this is the first entry in the series EVER not to have a single player campaign". Erm, 1942 and Vietnam (which was really just a re-skin of 1942) didn't either, they just had bot matches. But I guess they don't count for some reason, right?
Also, why would anyone do 2042, when you could do 2052.
Yep the vehicle ettiquete comments are very true come to think of it. I remember in BF2 even playing with bots, you had a quick chat shortcut to ask for a ride and if a bot was passing by with a vehicle they would stop by you and honk their horn. In 2042 you cant even spawn as a passenger in a vehicle at the start of a match so all the vehicles speed off to objectives to get their xp while the other 50+ players per team have to either run for a couple of minutes or redeploy at an objective closer to the fight.
Meanwhile I'm spamming my horn around actual players and none of them get in my Bolte. So many games I'm riding solo in a Bolte.
karmakut has a milsim esque portal sever for bf3 and 1942 with no hud, fraction relevant weapons etc.. i highly recommend his you tube channel to get these server names and you will get more of the old bf vibe from what i have seen and loads more team work
I'm new to battlefield only played battlefield 1 online and this one but when I spawned in a new game in a vehicle i'd wait for people to get in....
They proceeded to just run past which is like a 5 min run from spawn to an objective ol, I honked the horn and nothing lol.
@@TheAgentAssassin Well it's just because we're all high brow gamers that look down upon the bolte.
remember in BF2 when your team used to snipe you with the M95 to steal the jet for themselves?
My theory is that more people are into gaming now.
The more inclusive a space is, the lower the quality of the people.
Simple as.
Internet used to be exclusive to nerds
i blame normies
@@rru7673 Normies ruin everything.
The casuals have truly infected every one of our spaces. Even anime recently, sigh. There is no where left to go after that.
Maybe painting Warhammer figurines lol.
I've pretty much given up on modern gaming. It's been good actually.
With the money saved this year I've bought 2 beautiful Guitars (6 & 7 string). A nice new Guitar amp, various pedals, Studio Monitors and loads of plugins.
I've actually been enjoying using my PC again. All thanks to the AAA gaming industry!
Don't worry, I still watch your videos for a good laugh mate. Cheers.
Just made me realise I spend most of my money on guitars too these days, not games anymore.
Hell yeah! Same exact story here haha, just got my first 8 string delivered yesterday
Jesus christ on a haystack how much money did you usually spend on games?
been playing old games too with gamepass for xbox, this modern games are wrong at everything.
@@fVNzO I live in Australia, so that's only 3 full price AAA games :P
The video we’ve all been waiting for! Hope your arm is on the mend as well Mack
Exactly, now we want the Mack rant to follow! 👍🏻
Always my favorite
Agreed, hope you are pain free. Just take it easy.
“In Battlefield 2042, you stand with the No-Pats, a group of refugee soldiers who fight for both sides. Join the battle as a specialist with a unique sexuality and race. However, weapon and equipment loadouts are all up to you. You know how to navigate in a gimpsuit, right?”
5:15 That point about people rushing is correct in these types of games. The players who actually play the game in that way can be found in games like Squad nowadays. People need to stand the risk of being one-shot from out of nowhere and then put in a 30 sec respawn timer to actually play games the correct way.
or in older battlefield games. BF 3 and 4 still have pretty good player bases with people who actually want to play a battlefield game instead of call of duty.
Battlefield has really gone downhill. I think BF 1 was the last game I sort of liked, and that was only because WW1 was one of my favorite history periods
Facts. Bf4 was the pinnacle for me but bf1 had a charm I can't quite describe.
but even that game they couldnt help but add dumb stuff to make it more arcade like. Everyone has submachine guns with red dot sights in ww1. It was leaps ahead of bf5 and this travesty but the writing was on the wall already.
@@Ukbrummie BF4 launched horribly though. I guess EA never learned their lesson.
TLDR: Battlefield has lost it's way. Personally I acknowledge my bias, I grew up playing these games and thus I want that classic squad based strategic shooter where everybody has to play a role. I understand why they've chosen to go in the hero shooter direction, and get rid of voicechat and get rid of the scoreboard; I just don't like it. Maybe there is hope for portal.
Don't think it's really bias there man I agree with what u said and I'm sure many others do too!
Do like most of us and move on. Its obvious they do not want us as customers any longer. they want that Fortnite cod money. Apex legends success is the cause of it all for EA's BF 2042. Its not going to get better as the release cycle is now shorter than its ever been for BF. Its just another franchise EA destroyed.
@@teddybear1342 yeap that sums it up well , personally moved on to other more enjoyable hobbies
@@papascrumpeeh I think if I had never played a battlefield before and 2042 was my first, I'd probably like it more.
@@teddybear1342 Yeah I was not happy with V, especially when it went 50% off 3 weeks after launch. But I think 2042 seals the deal. Been meaning to get into Squad but it's intimidating.
In BF42 and 2, I used to specialize in sneaking around the frontline and capturing points the other team wasn't guarding. That created a ton of memorable moments, including an evening-long Enemy at the Gates style rivalry with another scout, among other things.
With the newer games, I feel like the EA "pre-packaged experience" philosophy shows once again. It feels like they've got a list of gameplay situations they want players to experience and they built the game specifically for those, but nothing more. Instead of building a gameplay loop that works, they tend to build gameplay tours. It's like splicing together trailers to make a movie. Sure, you get all the explosions and set pieces, but you'll miss out on the substance and repeat enjoyment. And that just won't make for a good game in the long run.
Yeah, that's a really decent description! Similar kind of thing with the far cry games, and the obsession with "emergent gameplay"...I was playing coop on ready or not with a mate last week and, after dying heaps of times together, he clears a room single handedly and says to me: "That's how this is done. These big AAA companies, they just don't get it do they - it doesn't mean anything if it isn't earned"
You know what you’ve nailed it down. The decisions for these games by EA and Dice are made by charts and trends. Fickle garbage.
After and around battlefield 4 their design philosophy order changed from ‘gameplay -> map design -> art direction -> trailer’
To ‘ current trend -> trailer / scenario -> map aesthetics art direction -> map design -> gameplay’
And not just pulling this out my ass. Numerous interviews with former dice employees around
Like a Michael Bay film
There has been no substance in BF since 2142 - the last great Battlefield game.
The rest has just been a glittery console bag of shite.
Dude people have been playing games like that for years. Every time I jump into a team shooter everyone just runs straight to the enemy to try and get a quick kill. COD has a lot to answer for.
Yep. Happens in Seige which is a tactical game they wanna just rush in without thinking I've actually been kicked out of matches simply cos I'm the only one left alive.
@@duvaughnkelly6947 Fortnite needs to die.
Lol you had me at the flanking part, spot on. I also find this hilarious sometimes in similar situations, its like 75% of the team has a single brain cell to realise you can flank enemies. I'm generally rubbish at BF, but I do know how to use a map to its advantage, Im often the only person running down the edge to get behind enemy lines, while the rest of my squad are aimlessly running into no mans land, when they are all dead they miraculously all spawn on my hard work getting into enemy occupied areas.
Would be nice if you could only spawn on rally points and only Squad leaders should be able to place them.
A lot of American Democrats play these games, just sayin'.
I just made a choke point with a sniper on battlefield 1 to help my team cap an objective because they kept being stupid and the enemy never caught on to me being basically out of bounds next to their spawn point
@@Ruthless_Robbery no it wouldnt... this would reduce squad play even more.
It's good to have you back, Mack. Sounds like you're feeling better and it's nice to know that you're healing. Take care.
Yes, elevators are exactly what I would have used in the military because there are never any power outages in warzones. Realism 11/10.
Call of Duty has ruined a generation of gamers. Everyone runs around like a headless chicken.
I’ve not bothered with it when I saw it at launch.. no create a class, 120 players is just absolute chaos, no scoreboard whatsoever which is ridiculous and the vehicle spam especially the overpowered hovercraft I just didn’t bother buying it.. I may give it a chance later on but comes nowhere near BF4 which I’ll stick with
Yeah, me too. Too much of a clusterfuck to buy this shit.
Played the beta and knew to avoid it instantly 👍👍
@@TheMordgan I’ll admit I’ve only based my opinion from watching streams on it as I’ve learned never to pre order or buy day one now.
@@gaz8177 Yeah, me too. I love bf games, I am currently even enjoying BF5, but after watching many reviews I thought it shouldn't be right to buy 2042. It's a total. Downgrade from other games.
Btw, I've made the mistake to pre order a CP2077. Now I've learned to never do that again hahahahah
@@TheMordgan 👍
Good to have you back, Mack! Hope you're recovering quickly and well. I just wanted to let you know that I've been going on an absolute mad lad binge of ALL your videos in the last few weeks. Love your content, honesty and humor. Thanks for that!
They basically taught players not to flank when they invented the rush mode and you got killed if you went too far off the map. Or when the only way to advance on Metro in BF3 was to go through several chokepoints, it was the same on Operation Locker.
I still have nightmares of that one map on bf3 where there is like a single narrow straight corridor from one point to the next, and all people did was just launch rockets and grenades down that one corridor, what a slog it was to cross that part of the map
The irony is not lost on me, our world is more connected and "social" than ever before but the amount of teamwork is today's games is awful. People are closer than ever but we're more isolated than ever also.
"Im fourteen and this is super deep."
Honestly mate, you saying you haven't played in 3 weeks is almost review enough. I feel you are like me and many other fans where we've been though the stages of grief in the past 5 years or so and have now come to the acceptance stage and we just don't care enough anymore.
spot on man.... ive just come to realize that modern gaming just isnt for me anymore.
Consolisation
To be fair in every map objective game, the majority of players just mindlessly rush forward. Only a handful of people will be thinking about the big picture and flank.
Mack saw an article that mentioned that the game has lost over 70% of its player base not surprising really. Thanks for your time and efforts on this non review. Hope you heal soon. Cheers.
Bfv is almost at the same playercount as 2042 haha
As previous comments have said, Hell let loose deserves your attention, once you've mended that is. Great video btw, all the main points of why I didn't get on with this game, far to chaotic.
The Call of Duty and Battlefield series have been designed around 'spray and pray' chaos for decades now. It's how they have casualised the formula underneath and it's total trash. I'm not surprised you mention Hell let loose as a game more worth of attention. And there are quite a few like that, that simply have much better gameplay that is more focused on actual skill and less on 'total chaos'.
I'm not a massive fan of Hell Let Loose, Post Scriptum, Squad - I respect them loads, but they just frustrate me in practise. The Red Orchestra/Rising Storm games are for me a nice half-way house between hardcore and the rank carnival of nonsense that BF/COD has become
@@jcadden1985 this
Is hell let loose good for a solo player or is a team of friends a must?
@@Ukbrummie no solo mode as far as I'm aware - the community's generally all right but, it really does rely on communication and I usually used to end up in non English speaking servers which was always awkward
Regarding people running right down the middle- I think it’s just what’s been encouraged by gaming trends. A lot of shooters have become ‘twitch-based’ in the sense that they’re more dependent on quick reflexes and stuff like that. There’s been a huge shift from ‘macro’ tactics like flanking and positioning to micro-ones such as peeking, quickscoping headglitching, corner camping, etc. The speed at how fast everything is in a lot of shooters these days really enforces this- there are fast TTKs, fast-shooting weapon’s, fast spawns, smaller maps- everything’s meant to get players into action as fast as possible. Of course they’re going to get out of spawn and run in the general direction of the enemy ASAP. Why would they waste time flanking when they’re liable to just instantly die and have to spawn all the way back at base, when that same time could be used recklessly charging into chaos and potentially racking up kills? It’s an instant gratification vs long- term thing, I think.
Mack, I believe part of the reason games were so good back then is also because they were a novelty. Battlefield back then was something brand new. Nothing like it had ever existed before. So the endorphin levels involved in experiencing something like that for the first time were off the charts. You can't ever match the first high. Trust me!
The reason games aren't as good is because the passion just isn't there it's more about money now, this is a huge reason why indie devs are still making quality games because they aren't corporate scum
@@XxWolfxWaRioRxX so true, just look at COD. The first ones where really great (for its time), nowadays its just milk whatever that can be milked and push your product on as many as possible. Why? Cuz we just want money
Why is EVERYONE saying the older maps are better?
Why are there no bots? We had such technology 20 years ago. Why is there no LAN support? Why is there no mod support? Changing some numbers in Portal is not mod support, that is a .ini edit, learn the difference. Can you even host your own server for free using your own machine? I remember that in a BF game, can't remember which one, they removed that feature and forced you to RENT (couldn't even buy it forever) one of their servers if you want your own server.
As it stands Battlefield 2042 is an objectively inferior product with less features when compared to Battlefield 1942 from 20 years ago.
@@XxWolfxWaRioRxX It's also because of a lack of innovation, you can only play the same thing so many times before you loose interest. Battlefield 2042's issues isn't a lack of innovation, its problem too much innovation, too much in the wrong directions.
This argument has been made so many times and it just doesnt hold water. It is a provable matematical fact that games now are deliberately simplified and made easier. I am a younger gamer who has missed the old games, but every time I play an old game now or a game is made in the spirit of old games like Pathfinder for example I am blown away by the level of detail and just how much everything makes sense compared to games now. They are hard to play forcing you to learn the game and utiliaze all its features which is rewarding and fun. You see clear as day with every new instalment the game being stripped of features and depth. You dont even know why you play anymore, there is no way to actually fail to complete a game and there is nothing to learn. Its brainless , waste a couple of hours, entertainment. Its for passive passionless shallow people. And if you cannot see that maybe you are that kind of person.
The community of gamers who use tactics, mics, and teamwork have moved away from the battlefield series. It used to b my fav series but now I play games like Squad. Ur 100% right that most gamers just run in a straight line towards the enemy, and I blame the education system for this whole mess in gaming n irl
Im a BF1942 vet also, and agree the teamwork and play to take objectives has almost gone these days. BF2042 is by far the worst in the franchise yet.
Was expecting Mack would destroy his bell with this one despite his arm injury...
"It could've been so much better" is the motto for modern AAA gaming...
No it could not. Not with shareholders wanting profits as long as its profit oriented it will never be great.
'Could've' lets them off the hook. These games SHOULD be better. Much, much better. Imagine these same development budgets going to studios 15 years ago and the masterpieces that could've been made... It's fucking disgraceful.
But today's gaming is what you get when hiring is done by political loyalty instead of experience and skill.
You should try the new Jewel on earth in gaming Hell Let Loose, its propper propper hardcore oldschool multiplayer with lots of tactics and serieus gamers
You are right about the players. Happens even on smaller gamemodes like rush. They never seem to understand that throwing smokes is the way to go as an attacker...
Me and me brother used to play Battlefield Vietnam in a PC place called WireWorld - it was so great being there with everyone, every weekend for about a year, one of the best gaming experiences anyone could have. The franchise now can really be used as a prime example of how gone to shit everything is.
BF Vietman was so amazing!
Hey Mack! When you've recovered to the point you can play fps again (hopefully very soon), check out Hell Let Loose! A proper strategic fps game, where people actually work together
better yet just play squad where you need actual teamwork, hell let loose is still too arcadey
He enjoyed Hell Let Loose
@@renzmanzano4010 Squad is Project Reality for Zoomers
@@edwardskinner8763 project reality is quite shit
Hell let loose now suffers from the run straight at enemy playstyle.
Once your arm is is feeling better, you should take another look at Squad. It has completely changed since your review 5 years ago, and will give you the tactical game that you want from the sounds of it in the video. Or if you like the WWII theme then you should try Hell Let Loose.
Squad's too realistic, no??? :)
I completely agree but I’ve asked him about Squad for years and he always just says that the game isn’t for him. Then he reviews battlefield and complains that nobody is coordinated. He says he wants a more realistic team play experience but then ignores squad completely even though he hasn’t touched it in years and it’s exactly what he describes wanting to experience.
Don’t understand that but hey, Mac is a mysterious creature.
@@TheAnalyticalFailure if I recall he loved post scriptum too, which is ww2 squad....
Dunno if you've played it Mac but Hell Let Loose is the old battlefield. Most immersive team FPS around
I'd say post scriptum is far more immersive. Sound design is absolutely spot on, and graphics are a little better. Hell let loose is pretty good but the very poor sound design kills the immersion for me. However hell let loose has put way more effort into marketing and drawing more players in.
I'm betting the specialists crap is just so they can try wedge in skins and more specialists with microtransactions later. It's not about the games any more, it's all about how they can get the absolute maximum monetisation possible.
Ofc it is. This game was supposed to be battle royale = hazard zone only, the conquest mode was an addition to the game, that was in developtment for 15 month only. Pathetic.
It's true no one uses team work or plays the objective today. I kind of blame it on party chat I think that's what really ruined the social dynamic. I remember back in the day there was some games that required you to be in game chat like mw2. Multi-player was more fun when most people communicated. Now it's all about each individual player and their gain rather then winning the match like call of duty.
Squad is a superior game and actually has large maps and coordination but for whatever reason you never revisited it for a review even though they’ve added vehicles and helicopters. Squad is simply the best FPS that exists today for teamwork and big maps.
Great to hear your arm is healing Mack. You’ll be ringing your bell again before you know it.
Battlefield 4 is still very playable, many active servers. If people want mindless fun by running towards one point on map and shot - there is TDM. Conquest and rush for more tactical gameplay.
After all those years I still have lots of fun with this (bf4) game.
If you want a better substitute for B1942 - Hell Let Loose is the game to play! When you get into a server where everyone is playing as it's designed - my god it's awesome!
Playing Battlefield 1 again and it's been a great time!
Mack that footage of you jump running after the halftrack pissing off with no passengers.. The memories
im glad a huge name like you are calling out the players in the FPS games. I've been thinking the same thing for a couple years now. Its rare to find a team of ppl who will work together and strategize! I miss BFBC and BF3 back in the day, for me the was the pinnacle.
I don’t envy you having to play this game. Thanks for taking one for the team Mack.
'They don't know what they're doing with the franchise, and I think they should start listening to the people how play it.' This strikes me as the most incredibly obvious business strategy and I have no idea how no one at EA/DICE at a corporate level realizes the importance of selling to their existing target market rather than some audience invented to fit their hopes for monetization.
They are so focused on having the most profitable monetization (lead designer, only previous work was candy crush, quit just after 2042 launch) that they are not doing any market research on their target audience and are totally tone deaf to what their customers actually want to buy from them. Just from a business perspective, it's totally unreal.
Its unfortunate but such games do play like this nowadays around the launch period, as a lot of people who have no real interest and time to put in also hop in.
In a few months time though, genuine strategies start emerging, bcz people who remain are the ones that either know of them or learn them with time, and it becomes much more competitive.
Bf5 right now is in such a state where people actually put effort, strategize and play properly.
Yeah when BF5 strategies come together it is a thing of beauty I have had a couple of games where the win was literally 5-0 / 10-0 things like that really close and it was because the two teams were really well balanced and trying different strategies and counters.
@@fishmanfairclough7530
The fundamentals of the gameplay were there from the start, they just needed to work on it and refine it after launch. Unfortunately they went into other directions after launch, tried to dial back the tactical and classic teamwork stuff they built into it, by making it more casual friendly(though they did reverse most of them back again).
Its still the best frostbite bf game in the classic bf regards, but also with the glorious destruction, visuals and gunplay that modern frostbite enables.
6:15 The point is to draw the enemy while another small force takes the base.
Totally with you on this, Mack. Nobody PTFOs any more and that added to these half-assed maps changes the gameplay for the worse.
Anyone remember MAG? Those Devs got it right; 128v128 combat, one team pushing the objectives, another defending them but unlike Battlefield, it was organised because the objectives weren't all over the place. They were in a line the whole width of the map and if one platoon got the objectives on the flanks, you'd be able to rush the defenders into the middle, you know using those things called tactics. This was over 10 years ago, with 256 players feeling just like they're in a war. Bring back MAG!
Oh and don't forget the CLASS SYSTEM with skill trees!
Hey Mack, any chance you will start recording 1440p 60 fps for us 1440p screen users?
3:42 man i love those realistic physics. next gen really is here.
Games back then had soul. There were a lot of technical obstacles, so you had to push your creative output all the time. Now it’s aesthetically pleasing but hollow. It’s not about making the best game you can make, or a game that you want to play yourself, it’s just about reaching the bare minimum of standards not pushing anything besides graphics and demand a premium price, each year.
So true and sad, gone is the good old days of going all night with your friends in BF1942. rip
To anyone who wants FPS with big maps, large variety of weapons and vehicles , actual Roles and team tactics where team play is rewarded and running like a moron by yourself is punished - then i can't recommend enough : Squad . Massive maps, 100 players per map , great weapon ballistics . You definitely will have to use mic or you will get kicked out from most of squads (they do mic checks at the start of game) , you will have to work with your team and squad leader and it takes some time learning how everything works because Squad has quite few mechanics compared to your mainstream shooters but it is definitely worth it. I spent nearly 300 hours playing it and every game is different and amazing.
The exact same thing kept happening to me. Everyone on my team would care less about capturing points except for me so I'd be the sole person running back and forth between two points trying to maintain them while everyone else on my team would go off and run around in circles or whatever it is they were doing. I was getting so mad at my team almost every match so I just stopped playing.
"It's the size of Nebraska!" got me. xD
In the words of count Dooku: I’ve been looking forward to this
Hope you are feeling better Mac! Thanks for toughing it out for this content.....talking about the game not the arm, lol.
The description of modern gamers with the point story was gold XD
I tried almost all modern online shooters... the only ones I still have installed and are being played daily are: Wolfenstein Enemy Territory, Counter-Strike Source and Day of Defeat Source.
I need to figure out how to get Battlefield 2.
Download project reality mate if you want oldschool battlefield
Mack I believe the maps were one big map for a battle royal originally, they changed their mind and just split them up. So not designed for conquest etc.
Was waiting for this. Keep up the good work!
A fellow 1942 fan? Man I fucking adored that game, horrible memory here but my favourite map was probably the islands? It was on the smaller side of battlefield maps but having boats play as big of a role as tanks and choppers was so fun, it felt like an actual war. Air, navy and ground all rushing.
Graphics are stunning on max settings, all that needs fixing since the December 2021 Update is:
-Balance the weapons in 2042 and Make better Hit detection
-Make portal Large Conquest maps
-Add More 2042 Maps
-Add more weapons in 2042
-Improve performance
-Fix bugs
Dice have been coasting on their reputation for far too long
It seems "talent" and "diversity" are mutually exclusive when it comes to developing good games
Games 20 years ago, although sorta mainstream, were still largely played by nerds. Nerds are typically smarter people. Today, games are full-on mainstream meaning the average player is an average person. Long story short: yes, players are dumber on average now. Sorry, not sorry. It's a completely different audience.
Hope you're better soon. I miss the old battlefield days.
I imagine the new generation just doesn't like teamwork. Strategic teamwork game like squad turned into chaos once it released and streamers hopped on the train :p
Your 100% correct. People lost the ability to think now. Thankfully I enjoyed bf1942 and the amazing tank rushes in the desert. Anyone remember the mod that made things modern? Ahh I forget the name but remember wrecking everyone with the a10 thunderbolt2
Get well soon!
I've had the "stupid teammates don't flank" experience ever since the first BF I played online MP on when I got decent internet connection - BF 2142. So it's not a new problem I think.
Project Reality Mod for BF2 was the last decent Battlefield incarnation. Some of the guys from that madteam went off to Make Squad. So that's what those agree with this should be playing....
Here to support ya mack! Keep em coming!
You could have let Cass play it and did a live commentary review. lol
Women arent video games.
The last bit of fun i had in a BF game was Bad Company 2, before that was 1942. The only reason dice survived was because of modders like Desert Combat.
The communication is why I'm playing Squad for the last few years instead of Battlefield.
Hope your feeling better every day Mack Keep at it Hoss
Mac, you should give Hell Let Loose a try. Although it is flooded with console dudesmen these days, the game itself is worth your attention. I think you'll like it!
The amount of times I've seen someone hop into a transport vehicle and drive off without transporting anyone is too damn high.
You took the words right out of my mouth
90% of the time I too am playing the 2 BF1942 maps. Proper Battlefield but no organisation because chat isn't even featured on the game yet!
Hope you’re feeling a little better Mack, you’re an awesome CZcamsr and can’t wait for your arm to be healed, so I can keep binge watching 😊😊
Got a copy of BF2042 free with my RTX 3080 and can honestly say I've played it twice! The new maps are shite, far too flat with zero cover. The graphics are phenomenal though.
I like the format, of this. Keeps you on the wagon, so to say
I feel ripped off myself. There are so many problems with this game from the bugs and things like a hovercraft being able to scale a 71 story building to the imbalance of vehicles and WAY too many people in matches. And the vehicles are basically impossible to kill snipe machines. There are many other issues but those are some of the glaring ones.
"Well well well, that was fun" Mac "it's shite" :)
Out of curiosity what is the tune being played in the outro in the background? Also mack hope you get better soon so that you can enjoy Christmas mate you deserve it.
"They should start to listen to people who play it"
Well, isn't it universally good and ignored advice?
Mack! Heal up well & swiftly and get back to it! I have games I need you to review! Such as: Halo Campaign & MP, Full review of this game "2042", Icarus (Which we know how your gonna rate that pile), Thunder Tier One and Newly early access game "Breakwaters". Looking forward to seeing you back in action. Been watching your reviews since 13
Being the only unorthodox player in a game full of zombies makes you feel like the only man in the world not drinking the kool-aid.
Rip battlefield, you will be missed
Stuff like this is why I play nintendo switch most of the time now
In Portal mode, you need to find more serious servers. You can find servers where there's more teamwork and overall just taken more serious, thereby making it way more engaging. That's the one beauty of Portal as it's what you and the player base can make of it.
BF2042 can be fun and after some updates (more are still needed) I had a couple of fun games. Why or how? I was randomly put in the new awful squad system - together with people wanting to work together. Sorta how it happened by design in the older ones, due to classes? People did it anyone in a few games and it was SO FUN. People just refuse to work together, or don't know how to.
Remove classes was a HUGE MISTAKE. At least restrict specialists to what they can equip. AT LEAST do that.
You should try War of Rights. The maps are actually kinda small compared to the size of BF. But because of how the game work they feel big and people work together and are organized. Even public servers with all the trolling and cancer memes and occasional toxicity are well organized compared to most of these modern FPS games. The catch I guess is that you have to like 19th century warfare:P
Definitely an atmospheric game. When the whole team is actually working together, the map, sounds and smoke take you back to 1862.
@@wormfood83 Ahh, yes, those were the days. (lol)
They should have split the classes into three: specialist, gunner and CQC. Each with pick of a wide array of weapons.
I stopped playing BF1 when became a sniper festival, no one playing the objective, even on game modes that you are supossed to rush and take the first two objectives so the map could progress, people would be snipping all match not moving one inch. Now I play just Overwatch, Im the Roadhog who plays the objective!