The issue with SUMMONING in Dragon Ball The Breakers

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024

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  • @E_F4
    @E_F4 Před rokem +8

    It looks like for the drop rate guaranteed section for this banner they filled it with transpheres like Piccolo and Krillin, essentially making it exactly the same drop rate as normal.
    For SS Goku and SS Gohan and SS Vegeta and SS Trunks banners, the guaranteed section was mostly filled with those two characters, making them easier to get.

  • @Juntrot
    @Juntrot Před rokem +12

    I remember one thing my girlfriend commented about that I did as well was the fact they jampack everything into one spirit siphon that includes the new transpheres and the pity system doesn't give you a guaranteed item all the time and instead almost always gives you a dupe instead. The gacha system I feel could honestly be way better in some aspects like for how other games do it where each summon set is different and doesn't have each and everything packed into it from previous summon sets, they could easily just rotate the android and raider ones around and leave them out of the super saiyan siphons and that would already make it way better in my opinion.

  • @kaironst2969
    @kaironst2969 Před rokem +7

    They did place an "an option to buy skills with warrior spirits" on the last survey. So I'm sure they're considering it, but i hope it doesn't take long to come, if they went with that idea.
    Feels bad to have to do gacha pulls on a paid game :(

  • @KainEnigma
    @KainEnigma Před rokem +8

    Hey, the way it works is it guarantees you one of the new transpheres, outfits, or skills (from guarantees section in the summon rates), but not necessarily the one you don't have. That's what the problem is. It SHOULD guarantee you something You dont have, but it only guarantees you one of the new items, even if you have it. In the multi summon you presented at the beginning for example with all dupes, guaranteed one was that Bardock one probably, because he's in the guaranteed section. I feel your pain bro and I agree that we Need proper pity asap.

    • @ironcane
      @ironcane  Před rokem +3

      interesting, well I'm glad I now know how it works lol. But I'm also upset at how stupid it is smh

    • @KainEnigma
      @KainEnigma Před rokem +1

      @Ironcane Yeah, that's a shame. I was lucky this time and got those skills within 750.000 zeni and 10 tickets, but in theory there was possibility that I would spend my all 2,5 mil zeni and never have any of those 2 featured skills. But I'm almost sure it will change one day, sooner than later and they will introduce some new Pity system as more and more people are complaining and some of them possibly even leaving the game because of that.

    • @jordi-olderman8279
      @jordi-olderman8279 Před rokem

      No, it does not work. I did a multiple roll and nothing came out of the new content.

  • @DDavino333
    @DDavino333 Před rokem +5

    2:57 the FIGHT! Shirt is considered the “New” Item. “New” to them is anything that came out with this Banner regardless of if you have it or not 😢
    FYI Slot 10 is always the Guaranteed

  • @lavatato
    @lavatato Před rokem +3

    The only thing I'm worrying about (I'm also scared about the issue with summoning in db the breakers video too) is the future of the summoning mechanics, for example in early db gacha games like dokkan battle or legends there wasn't many characters in the game so you could easily pull out a character you wanted (might take a few tries but u might get it) but in db dokkan or db legends there are so many characters in the game that if you get a guaranteed summon u might get a character u already have, I've seen so many people in db gacha games (dokkan cuz they have the most characters in all db gacha game history, I think dokkan has the most characters in the game) pulling the wrong characters like Nano, diddysauce, datruth, steven z killer, dotodoya, rymestyle, seereax, raiuden, goresh, especially AFRO SENJU my guy has the worst luck in gacha games (its like PTSD for him and spending money.) So yea Thats my conclusion of the "what I'm afraid of db the breakers gacha in the future"
    (Bro imagine that Ironcane replies on this comment that would be crazy)
    From: Lava Tato
    To: everyone reading this
    Peace out

  • @darkbread777
    @darkbread777 Před rokem +1

    They could make a new system where getting 3-5 platinum medals at the result screen gives you 1 shard, once you collect a certain number like 500 then you trade those shards for a skill.

  • @alessandrocasali6401
    @alessandrocasali6401 Před rokem +3

    They should add the chance to buy active and passive...maybe 50k spirt? Can be good.

    • @zay9232
      @zay9232 Před rokem +1

      30k 35k max

    • @alessandrocasali6401
      @alessandrocasali6401 Před rokem +1

      @@zay9232 yeah i know but i was just say a price closer to developers mind.

  • @Veko9888
    @Veko9888 Před rokem +2

    Totally agree. Thanks for finally talking about this.

  • @pretender1456
    @pretender1456 Před rokem +1

    This will be a huge problem later on especially next season because the chances of getting new skills or transpheres are gonna be lower than 0.1%.

  • @Naomi-ig1vz
    @Naomi-ig1vz Před rokem

    The pitty system should be as follows when you get a shenron summon you get a dragon Ball once you get 7 you get a wish for any skill

  • @luna4164
    @luna4164 Před rokem +1

    Are you going to make a new “overall best transphere” video for season 2?

    • @ironcane
      @ironcane  Před rokem

      absolutely, I plan on doing this when all the transpheres release first

  • @KAR1492
    @KAR1492 Před rokem +1

    There are two things that I think will lead to the death of this game: The absolutely ridiculous greed in the gatcha system and the lack of crossplay support. Bandai has a game with so much potential on their hands and they may just kill it.

  • @shadowmist9093
    @shadowmist9093 Před rokem

    Whichever exec told them to have this incomplete monetization system should look more at the dragon ball legends system for sure..maybe season 3 or season 4's new feature?

  • @thecrimsondragonslayer6533

    They seriously need to up the drop percentage for these things because this greatly upsets me. Wasn't the drop percentage of Instant Transimmison like 5% before? Now it's only slightly above 0 I think. Not even 1. If this is what we have to look forward to for the new stuff and everything in future I might just drop out.

  • @demonlordofshadows7082

    That’s y I suggested in the survey that u could buy the passive and active skills like u buy the super moves, that way even if u get dupes, u could have the spirit to buy it

  • @RockerDefeater
    @RockerDefeater Před rokem +1

    What's worse Is if you scroll down in Guaranteed drop rates, you will see that MOST of the older transpheres that have new stuff have a 4.6888% chance of a appearing while the brand new transphere like the Bardock one with Rebellion Spear or SSJ2 Goku with the Beyond Super Saiyan Passive have LOWER rates, it's 3.333% for the both of them. How is that possible? I swear when Budokai Tenkaichi 4, EVERYONE is going to forget that this game exists and for VERY good reason. It's filled to the bunch with problems.

    • @lavatato
      @lavatato Před rokem +1

      thats what the spirit of gacha right there

    • @RockerDefeater
      @RockerDefeater Před rokem

      @Lava tato l know. It's just so confusing that the Guaranteed drop rate that the new transpheres with very low rates,even with tickets or Shenron popping out and that happened to me back in Season 1 and l got lot of dupes.

  • @AstroOddyssey
    @AstroOddyssey Před rokem +1

    I was just saying this in my video, The game does not have no where near enough units to have such horrible odds. Hopefully we get some changes and reworks to it.

  • @Enrique22000
    @Enrique22000 Před rokem

    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it'll either be a new unit OR one of the featured units in a multi. So like you can get all dupes, but you'll always get 1 of the new units even if it's a dupe.

  • @djsponge10
    @djsponge10 Před rokem

    When they say NEW they mean a guaranteed new summon from the new transpheres. It’s just saying you’re guaranteed a bardock SSJ gohan adult and SSJ2 goku. That’s what you’re guaranteed YOU ARE NOT GUARANTEED SOMETHING YOU DONT OWN

  • @mr.o3181
    @mr.o3181 Před rokem +1

    This is what pushed me off of the game. After spending a whole day grinding for tickets and zeni only to get none of the new ssj abilities I just quit.
    For a suggestion I recommend making skills buyable with dupe energy but at a higher cost so you don’t spend real time and money for no reward. Hope this helps

  • @DNAHalo25
    @DNAHalo25 Před rokem

    The guarantee summon is working correctly IronCane one slot out of that multi was something new, not to you but new to the game, all it does is just pick a unit out of the guarantee percent pool and shove it into your multi, as long as it is new to the update or on the banner. So yeah... 🎉

    • @jordi-olderman8279
      @jordi-olderman8279 Před rokem

      No, it does not work. I did a multiple roll and nothing came out of the new content.

    • @DNAHalo25
      @DNAHalo25 Před rokem

      @@jordi-olderman8279 it could have been a costume for an old transphere i'd definitely check out the rates but one slot is a guaranteed slot for sure trust, i wouldn't lie

  • @1stNinjaM
    @1stNinjaM Před rokem

    There is a fundamental misunderstanding here. The language of the statement does NOT imply you will get something you don't have. What "new" implies here is that is new on the banner not new to your collection. To make it mean what you believe it meant, it would have to specifically say: "You'll be guaranteed a new character, costume, Super Attack, or skill that you do not currently own from the new summons."
    While your overall points are completely valid, you're simply misunderstanding the language being used here. I hope they go through with allowing us to buys skills like we can buy Super Attacks.

  • @stefanbond4170
    @stefanbond4170 Před rokem

    Honestly we should be getting at least double the spirit if not more for pulling a 5 star dupe. It's not like people are gonna be pulling them every multi multiple times.

  • @vikingman5259
    @vikingman5259 Před rokem

    I would love if you could complete all your daily challenges and you get one spirit shogun ticket normal or the current season ticket

  • @humbertoreza4200
    @humbertoreza4200 Před rokem +1

    I guarantee you the way the gatcha is, is on purpose. I have feeling it will get fixed but right now I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t making it better to have more cash flow. I feel it in my bones. There’s no way they haven’t thought of it or know about a better way to make it. We Just have to deal with it for now unfortunately

  • @jottenmiller
    @jottenmiller Před rokem

    I've been playing since launch day and still don't have after image. I've only really done multis the entire time. It's wild how low these drop rates are

    • @ironcane
      @ironcane  Před rokem

      hopefully in the future they add some sort of pity!!

  • @SoulDeso
    @SoulDeso Před rokem +1

    Im day one and played every beta, i still dont have most of the great skills
    You are right and i Hope something changes

    • @ironcane
      @ironcane  Před rokem +1

      That really sucks man, and they only time they've guaranteed any skills in the past for us have been for the villains

    • @SoulDeso
      @SoulDeso Před rokem

      @@ironcane the guarteed one i think i had gotten was pod remote , i think, and then i ended up pulling it like 3 times after. It definitely would have been helpful if they wouldve gave more than just 900 souls, id have like 100,00 souls by now with all my dupes

  • @mystoYT
    @mystoYT Před rokem

    i think like in others Gachas you need to have at least a guarantee on a 5star like 10summons and 1 5star guarantee for example

  • @west3482
    @west3482 Před rokem +1

    Plot Twist: they forgot to add the guarantee part

  • @eliravioli8233
    @eliravioli8233 Před rokem

    Got instant transmission finally today and bardock with rebellion spear and his 3rd battle outfit. They really need to add the option to buy skills after the season the skill came out is over it would make sense. Also they should nerf energy field way to overpowered shouldn't be able to use it with other stuff like instant transmission there's no counter play its not fun

  • @Azentopia
    @Azentopia Před rokem

    Yeah, I noticed that there was no guarantee that they mentioned. Are we misunderstanding it? Is it as long as we get one of the new transphere, it counts as a guarantee drop for us even if we obtain them already?

  • @3doygamer
    @3doygamer Před rokem

    I literally played like 20 rounds somehow surviving in a row as a survivor grinding for zeni and bought a 10 roll just to get tien with gi 2 and videl fight t-shirt no new super attacks no new skill and it was basically a scam and I was so confused and mad bc I wanted bardock so bad

  • @warlordiseppi
    @warlordiseppi Před rokem

    in your summon video you got bardock 3 star, hes new to the banner. they dont mean new to your account each summon only new on the banner in 1 of the summon spots.

  • @popcornlieutenant
    @popcornlieutenant Před rokem

    No pity system is the reason I dont spend Tp tokens on summons

  • @katsuo4262
    @katsuo4262 Před rokem

    I hope the next Raider is Piccolo from classic

  • @cryer8769
    @cryer8769 Před rokem +1

    Okay, a positive and skilled CZcamsr who knows what he’s talking about. Subscribed and id love to play together some time.

    • @ironcane
      @ironcane  Před rokem +1

      Thank you so much bro!! I play on PlayStation and stream the game regularly on Twitch and play with viewers all the time so feel free to stop by!

  • @DeereBorgGaming
    @DeereBorgGaming Před rokem

    scouter is op I saw you struggling without it last night

  • @LilGreg897
    @LilGreg897 Před rokem

    I got Instant Transmission yesterday I am greatful because I've been trying to get it at the time I was trying to get sprint

  • @KingOfSolimans
    @KingOfSolimans Před rokem

    1st Ssj summons: 1 rare Ssj goku
    2nd Ssj summons: 1 rare Ssj vegeta
    Newest summons: no new characters

  • @Lieinfall
    @Lieinfall Před rokem

    Someone who’s F2p which is basically almost everyone it’s rough asf we already have to play like 30 games just to do a 10x pull they really need to fix the system. (Also I got super lucky yesterday and had one ticket and decided to pull to get energy field for jokes and actually pulled it I was flabbergasted.)

  • @-Chrome-
    @-Chrome- Před rokem

    Nice you got proof, time to go to Bandi Namki and ask what's happening.

  • @Someguy23412
    @Someguy23412 Před rokem

    I think they mean you get a featured transphere per multi and technically you got bardock which is a featured unit

  • @Minleyx1
    @Minleyx1 Před rokem

    So far, I'm up to 200k Spirit Points trying to get Instant Transmission and Ki Control, I already have teams rejecting me from joining them simply because I don't have Instant Transmission. If I hit 1 mil spirit and I still don't have Instant Transmission or Ki Control, I'm uninstalling the game.

  • @Naomi-ig1vz
    @Naomi-ig1vz Před rokem

    Just to let you know I have had better luck off of single pulls when I'm just trying to get Spirit points to level up my already gotten skills

  • @nekomalice
    @nekomalice Před rokem

    I dunno Man, been doing Summons with Zenni and have everything I want.

  • @MrChosenone10
    @MrChosenone10 Před rokem

    they need ro fix rage quitting when i am raider many times when there are only 4 survivors somebody usally rage quits so the escape time machines show up costing me points you should get extra points or don't let escape machines show up or something takes a long time to be raider to be cheated out of points

  • @zay9232
    @zay9232 Před rokem +2

    I think that the only problem is the raiders are getting high lvl's so it's hard to win so it's hard to get zeni also Shenron should guarantee a 4 star banner featured person

    • @Artistofprocedure
      @Artistofprocedure Před rokem

      it shouldn't be a dupe either then you should get 1800 from orange dupes

    • @JinxKitzune
      @JinxKitzune Před rokem

      What!? That’s bull survivors are getting everything they win more matches then the raider because of stuff like this I’m glad they plan on nerfing this system more. Cell can’t handle any matches cause even when he’s lv 4 he’s so weak. And ez to beat as for freiza and bu they are pretty balanced but survivors win more matches cause of the summons and spam dodging you know how about giveing us raiders a pay to win system give raiders the ability to buy and set custom abilities

    • @zay9232
      @zay9232 Před rokem

      @@JinxKitzune WEAK??? He has ki sense unavoidable ki blasts and it's impossible to lose with cell if you actually look at you Tv

    • @JinxKitzune
      @JinxKitzune Před rokem

      @@zay9232 buu has better ki sense what’s your excuse cell can easily be jumped idk how many times I always beat cell players. I used to main cell then I stopped cause he felt bland so I now main freiza. If any raider with ki sense finds u it’s ez to lose him. All you guys do is sit near the escape time machines camping waiting for the 4th player to die Even if y’all key rush y’all camp so that changed when I main freiza. If there are 4 players left I wait for someone to get to the last key while I easily find civilians. If I have dragon balls I give them to y’all so I can get that energy boost and get to lv 4. Once the area is destroyed or that key is activated I hunt the rest down and kill them. Freiza is better to play as cause he’s a combat raider so it’s more easy to deal with sweats who wanna jump me. I only list 12 games with freiza and I’m only lv 87. Cell is the weakest

  • @Flametasticeedits
    @Flametasticeedits Před rokem

    2:06 they're are two of them now

  • @haloman1757
    @haloman1757 Před rokem

    The guarantee is for all the new things in the banner and not a new item you don’t have it can be a dupe of a new item also

  • @ly6556
    @ly6556 Před rokem

    I fear that this game is doomed to the grave...
    The gacha sistem and other issues made most of the player base flee.
    The remaning player base is stuck in fragmented islands (Pc/Xbox/PlayStation/Nintendo) that makes the queue issue even worse.
    They keep adding more and more powerful items that will have lower and lower drop rates.
    I don't see this game attracting new players.
    I think it will be on life support by the time it's first aniversary comes by, but that is my pessimistic opinion.

  • @lautaro2693
    @lautaro2693 Před rokem

    yeah bro that issue it have to be fixed

  • @saiyansime
    @saiyansime Před rokem

    Did a single summon, got a 5 star, and got a dupe 😐
    Feels terrible

  • @sueme6800
    @sueme6800 Před rokem

    The fact that the communication is virtually non-existent is absolutely pathetic. I'm 100% sure they don't read the replies to the garbage they post on Twitter

  • @patrickthegamer7142
    @patrickthegamer7142 Před rokem

    I didn’t get to summon on the instant transmission banner and it isn’t on this banner’s guaranteed 😭

  • @gabrielchastain6091
    @gabrielchastain6091 Před rokem

    Yeah cause I want instant transmission and energy field (whatever 17s move is called) and I don't like having to summon to get them

    • @KeeganPlayz1234
      @KeeganPlayz1234 Před rokem +2

      Energy field is the right name. People sometimes call it “energy barrier” but that’s CELL’s MOVE not android 17’s. Also same issue bro, I can’t pull instant transmission and it’s so much better than bulma bike.

  • @eunit08
    @eunit08 Před rokem

    They got some tweaking to do in this gotcha system

  • @elijahbrown6130
    @elijahbrown6130 Před rokem

    8:45 😂😂 I want your reaction when you pull gohan’s and USE skill plz. If you like it kudos but if not I gotta see it.

  • @djhyuga9711
    @djhyuga9711 Před rokem

    I said this on your last video gachas are scams i feel like we should use the souls to get the skills as what you said in the video. Im a day 1 player and pulled so many times and have not gotten energy barrier i’ve been using wall of defense as a supplement (which i feel like ppl sleep on it)

  • @Someguy23412
    @Someguy23412 Před rokem +1

    9:42 still better chances then dragon ball legends 😂

  • @KeeganPlayz1234
    @KeeganPlayz1234 Před rokem

    I cant imagine spending money on summons 💀 I’ve spent money for the Season 2 Character pack but that pack GUARANTEES 3 New Characters. Whereas Summons don’t guarantee new stuff. Also the guarantee summons aren’t ACTUALLY guarantee. It just gives you a higher chance of getting the items of the new banner.

  • @lesliediaz9769
    @lesliediaz9769 Před rokem

    Looks more like bragging rights when you unlock the ability Sought-after. 😒😒😒

  • @milesangel3234
    @milesangel3234 Před rokem

    Well how it actually works is that you get guaranteed a new thing from the Banner It doesn't matter if you already got the new skinn or super attack. the game will drop in a multi summon 1 guaranteed new skill or cloth or character. But if you already have that the game just don't care😂 3:40 it's the bardock he is new you got him guaranteed

    • @ironcane
      @ironcane  Před rokem

      ahhh I'm slowly finding this out now lol

  • @Spukow
    @Spukow Před rokem

    They need to do better summon banners in the breakers because mostley you gonn aget dupes you already have

  • @PSI_H3RO
    @PSI_H3RO Před rokem +2

    Lol Ironcane be like 🤓

    • @ironcane
      @ironcane  Před rokem +1

      had to put my glass on to be sure lol

  • @Naomi-ig1vz
    @Naomi-ig1vz Před rokem

    No it takes about twenty thousand to max out a skill

  • @omgman928
    @omgman928 Před rokem

    I summoned 40 and didnt get anythinv
    Just level 4 bardok

    • @ironcane
      @ironcane  Před rokem

      That's insane to me, I'm sorry to hear that man

  • @deucecamp5413
    @deucecamp5413 Před rokem +1

    Hi didnt think I be this early

  • @k96969
    @k96969 Před rokem

    i really wanted to play this game but the microtransactions system stopped me......
    let the whales have fun with this game.

    • @ironcane
      @ironcane  Před rokem

      realistically this game can still be played even without the best abilities, but not having access to skills like energy filed or instant transmission does make it harder. But you do have abilities like bulma bike, the grapple, and floating device for free which are solid skills

  • @imsusanov2287
    @imsusanov2287 Před rokem +1

    Try to Play dokkan battle
    You can do 30 multi's and still dont receive featured units

    • @steveduck2345
      @steveduck2345 Před rokem +2

      Here’s the problem: Dokkan doesn’t cost 20 dollars to play.

    • @ironcane
      @ironcane  Před rokem +1

      Very true!