What did DANTE do to deserve this? | WARFRAME BUILD REFRESH
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these dante nerfs make me sad in the way the "styanax isn't allowed to fly" nerf did. it literally was hurting no one and was very fun to play, but they nerfed it anyway.
I like that DE understands that they’ve power crept exalted weapons enough to know that they needed to give Noctua ridiculously high power scaling to base dmg but not enough to just give us arcane slots on exalted weapons
I think at this point in the game, melee exalteds should have acolyte mods
It's probably coming in the future. Or maybe rivens for exalted weapons.
They’re like “you can slot infinite time mods”
Like who’s gonna be using more than the fire rate one occasionally? 😅
@@khaleelwilson2315 the issue with the acolyte mods is they require aiming(not all exalted weapons aim) and the other condition is either kills(this is usable), reload(I don't think any exalted weapon reloads), or after casting(which would increase the energy cost of these abilities as you would either need to spam another ability or spam turning on and off the exalted). The mele mods would be neat to reintroduce.
I mean your exalted use whatever weapon type it mimics, like mesas will use the arcane that’s in your secondary weapon
100% agree that it made no sense they would nerf these things. As you said, they cite three criteria they look at to determine whether something needs a nerf:
Dominance. Is NOT using this item widely considered a bad decision? Example: AoE weapons before their nerfs.
Disruption: Is using this item disruptive to what other players are doing? This one could warrant a nerf, buff, or change, but is still a possible marker. Example: Overguard ruining rage-based builds.
Automation: Is this item enabling players to complete objectives without actually doing anything? Example: Wukong's clone.
It had been a week; it was not dominant in any way.
It wasn't enabling automation without some sort of hotkey scripting, which isn't allowed.
The only argument WAS for the overguard being given to teammates being disruptive. But they didn't even look at that in the first patch/nerf, and only followed up on it after re-buffing him.
These buffs were entirely emotionally driven by forum thread screechers, not objective or data driven as they supposedly ascribe to. This lapse in process is a major question of judgement and reduction in trust for nerfs in the future. Hopefully they go back to having a more careful hand in the future.
The fact that you could stand in the middle of a room and hit 3 and 4 without moving is definitely the automation they wanted gone
@@CS0723 Dark verse was (still is btw) a cone shaped ability limited by range and LoS so sure with good positioning you could hit anything and everything but then again we have Saryn killing enemies 3 tilesets away or Octavia teabaging her way to victory. If nuking low level maps was a concern then remove or heavily reduce the base damage from Tragedy and slightly increase the scaling for status effects to compensate.
@@DalanorTheLlama Well Saryn shouldn't exist the way she does. IDK why someone would load up a shooter with such a huge range of guns and frames only to pick saryn, stand in the middle of a room and AFK
Styanax was screwing over rage builds since his augment came out but some how Dante was the problem? 😂
@invoidker1049 the problem was the way overguard interacted with rage. That's not specifically a dante or styanax issue, that's like a game dev issue. I guess it got enough attention now to change the way overguard works because of the (assumingly) much higher rate of play for dante
Tragedy is absolutely still worth going all in on. Got him 2 days ago, spent today doing 5 formas and walked into a 1hr Mot SP Survival solo firing no weapons and it was mind-bogglingly cosy. Had Roar over the 1, and a Hound for Viral sparks and nothing except the Acolytes survived a Tragedy cast. 70m was nice but 45m is absolutely fine.
Hi there I’m confused with how his casting ability works and which spells to cast for tragedy , got any helpful tips for me ?
@@KaFullah basically his 4th ability has 4 versions, of which Tragedy is only one. Qhich version you get depends on how you have casted his 2nd and 3rd ability.
Look at the bottom right UI and you see the book? When you cast 2, you will see a "Light" page added to the book right side of the book. When you cast 3 it will add a "Dark" page to the right side of the book.
If the right page is already filled, that page will move to the left and be replaced by the new page.
That gives you 4 combinations for the 4th ability:
Right Page Light, Left Page Light
Right Page Dark, Left Page Light
Right Page Light, Left Page Dark
Right Page Dark, Left Page Dark
Tragedy is the last version, both pages dark, or by casting 4 after casting 3 twice without casting 2 between.
@@tomj819 if ur playing offensively with nocturna what casting should you be using like for eg when it comes to nuking etc
@@KaFullah Noctua is its own ability so doesn't affect how you cast the others, but modding Noctua for Viral will enhance the Slash from Dark Verse and Tragedy, and Tragedy will also cash in and multiply any Heat, Slash or Electric procs your Noctua applies as well.
Dante build 1:15
Book build 4:39
Thanks for the timestamp 👑💯
I agree with everything you said. Just doesn’t make sense. Such a weird knee jerk reaction. Especially when they could have looked at this from the standpoint of “we released a successful warframe” but instead this. Not that he’s terrible, but if it’s between him and let’s say kullervo, I’m picking kullervo.
Kullervo has giganißßa melee buffs, plus he can make a room disappear by overkilling a butcher that is linked to everyone. And his 4 build combo and can be moved around with 1.
Dante is still nice for survivability and team support, just can't do the Equinox without having to charging it up.
But yeah, Gullernyo better
This is true. Dante brought be back to Warframe, the nerf mentality damn near made me quit. I don't like Dante near as much as his release so I invested in finishing up a few builds, including Sty and Kul. I would pretty much pick these 2 over Dante for most content now, simply because they are stronger with less drawbacks. Sty has infinite energy and OG generation, armor strip, and his 4s explosion explosions go through walls. Kul is just a god, I can't really say anything other than that. I never expected to like a melee frame, but Kul is an absolute monster. Dante was great and fun, now I feel limited with him. Qorvex was fun but weak in high SP, I wish he was better too. Just a shame.
Homely I just don't get it. Was it about low level nuking? They could've just removed the base damage of his 4 so that you *needed* to tag enemies with his 3, which was already LoS.
Side note: you can use seismic bond on a sentinel with helstrum to increase your efficiency as long as you have noctua equipped and out.
Adding to what u said, u can take advantage of not only that, but any bonus that's active while channeling abilities, like for example mIter incarnon's fire rate buff, and iirc there are many incarnon buff that have that restriction too.
Gotta say the nerf really rubs me the wrong way. Some people cried on the forums and it lead to *huge* changes that absolutely gut how the frame feels to play. Sure you can use his exalted weapon, but he was shown off as a caster frame. I wanna be a wizard not a gun slinger
It doesn't gut him. You can play him the same way, you just can't stare at a wall and kill enemies before they see you. That's all that was lost. You don't have to use Noctua at all if you don't want to
you can literally one shot level cap with casting only. he's still very much a caster frame. You just cant do it through walls
@@owendawg1 You couldn't kill through walls before anyway unless you were playing on hydron or some similarly low level mission, ***or*** you hit them with your 3 or some other primer beforehand. How is this different than like 1/4th the roster? Does his 4 kill things? Yes. Does it feel significantly worse to have 3 separate LoS checks to get damage from an ability in a high mobility game? Also yes. I didn't say that they gutted the frame, I said that they gutted how he felt.
@@blank5237 The only time i've seen his tragedy kill something at level cap was when it was *heavily* primed by outside sources. Don't act like it's a single 3 3 4 combo to do that lol.
Dante was definitely over tuned. He was super tanky, had very strong damage, was nuking enemies through wall, and had very good team support. U could nuke steel path just with dark verse, and dante was also very easy to get. The only thing i dont get is why they nerfed him so fast
Building entirety for page flight and noctua is probably one of the most fun things I've done, even before he was nerfed i focused on noctua with arcane velocity and arcane precision giving it ridiculous damage
Delay on the tierlist is all good. It tells me the info in it will be reliable for longer.
I hate when devs double down on their nerfs and spend so much dev time trying to monkey's paw the situation into something barely better. For once I wish a studio would just listen to the outcry and simply revert the changes and take the L
Yeah theyve done this a few times and every single time they come across as stone cold jerks 😢
DE has a really bad track story of swallowing their pride and admitting when they fuck it up, this was probably one of the worst cases ffs
These changes didn’t deserve to be reverted lmao
@@vrirax8211would be funny to see you crying if they treated your fav frames like this. Before you even try to prove a point I have many builds stronger and easier to use than Dante, who now have even greater influence than him. BS changes while other similar frames exist. Dante is still strong but other frames outclass him, with far more automated play styles.
@@SolidNitrox At no point would I ever cry about a reasonable nerf lmao, similar frames like who?
The nerf really just doesn't make any sense to me. Did he get nerfed because he has crazy map nuking potential? If so, Saryn and a couple other frames can already do that. Did he get nerfed because he can give himself and allies effective invincibility? Revenant can already do that, Kullervo can already do that to himself. Is it because he can do both of those at once? If that was the case, Nezha can do both with his new Divine Spear augment.
I understand wanting to prevent power creep, but he wasn't even allowed to exist in his old state for long enough to decide if he was actually moving the needle in terms of the meta.
Well, they nerfed Nezha too, though everyone got pretty upset over that so they partially reverted it.
that's what i'm sayin!! they brought the hammer down on him WAY too quick
saryn doesnt give the entire party overguard, revenant only has mesmer skin.
see how they only do one of those things and not both?
Saryn nuking? Nuking what? Lvl 30s on Hydron? xddd Saryn is best used as a weapons platform.
Equinox can't spam it like Dante could, has to charge up the big boi numbers first.
Mesa struggles without an armor strip.
So what frames are exactly nuking? There is no SP nuke that was the same low effort as 3 button presses.
@@proximityclockworkx1572
o.O
Saryn doesn't nuke? Dafuq? She massacres every thing what're you on about? She requires a mix of abilities and weapons but that doesn't change the fact that if they thought Dante's aoe was too good then they should by that logic be nerfing her too.
Didn't you have to prime enemes with dark verse slash DoT (which is a LoS ability) for the tragedy to nuke SP? Therefore, wouldn't adding LoS do nothing to tragedy but reduce its star chart nuking which no one cared about anyways?
I’ve built around his 1 from day one. It’s honestly fairly solid and viable against virtually anything.
Hmm, one thing I did not think about yet, is how Heat procs interact with his birds and Archon Vitality.
One shot of the book: 1 heat stack
With Archon Vitality: 2x heat stacks
With birds: 2-3 heat stack depending on strength
With birds and Archon Vitality is it:
1. (1 (base) + 2 (birds)) * 2 = 6
2. 1 (base) * 2 + 2 (birds) = 4
Either way, you triple dip on strength. Noctua base damage, status chance birds, status damage birds. And maybe even quadruple dip if you cast 2x Dark Final Verse on top.
With Spectral Noctua out, isnt it even close to quintuple dip? As the book deals 50% of your damage?
And he also scales with amount of players in the party lol.
Archon Stretch with a Diriga helps with energy economy. If you're gonna do the Guns and support thing. Roar is *absolutely* the way to go as he can go to the moon with strength and use something good while having the ability to press 3 twice into 4 and just kill a room or two for free.
Noctua also good, just wish it was a touch faster at base but what can you do
I still build all in on his 4. It's still very doable. Noctua is very useful when you just toss every invocation + the armor strip canticle + multishot/fire rate on it. Fixes his energy economy by granting 60% efficiency and energy regen. Tragedy still does an incredible amount of damage and AoE when you have the birds up. It's not as good or as easy as it used to be, but I personally find it to be a more engaging playstyle. "Priming" enemies with 30+ slash procs from noctua/wordwarden/owls, getting a ton of ability stats from the alt fire, and cashing in with tragedy is VERY fun to me. Moreso than spamming 334 pre nerf. Like I don't think the nerf was necessary or warranted, but I think Dante came out the other side a more fun frame. Not better, but I enjoy playing him more.
IDK what the fuck you're talking about with "spamming 334 pre nerf"
That's exactly what the nerf turned tragedy into. Pre nerf, there was a payoff to thoughtful application of dark verse before tragedy. Now, you may as well just spam 334 in that order without thinking about it. Now, the more effort you spend priming, the less return on investment you get because enemies can become obscured over time.
And there was nothing stopping you from playing the way you're describing pre nerf. Thats exactly how I played him.
@@elibeeblebrox1084You genuinely just weren't playing efficiently. With 70m you could haphazardly spam 334 in a general direction and enemies through at least level 250 just fell over all around you. Most of the time you didn't need priming with 3, just the final damage of 4. Now you're forced to use your movement keys/stick.
For me, when I play Dante I kill at a high rate with an effort level somewhere more than Xaku/Saryn but less than most of the roster.
They could undo the changes, that'd be fine, but I don't feel hurt by it. I'm still happy with my large investment.
Have you considered bringing your test sessions to Lua Circulus or an Omnia fissure (SP variant of couse) ?
I agree that it makes no sense with this LoS nerf. I hope they continue to fix the LoS stuff though, as it is still goofy sometimes and enemies just don't take damage who are standing right next to me when I cast tragedy...
I use him exclusively for elite arch mode, and because I don’t think the vosfor as the last reward is worth it. He just makes the whole thing relatively pain free
This.he was basically made for deep arch
I know it isn't relevant to this video, but the Augment mod for Excalibur Umbra, Warrior's Rest I believe was its name, do know if it is any good to have on him? Is it helpful at all or no?
Dante being the frame that he is gets nerfed…but then wonder why ppl cry about nerfs so much in this game
I hope and pray DE does more nerfs like this. This game needs actual balancing. After the power fantasy wares off this game gets stale asf. Power creep is insane.
The changes were really confusing.
Not only did they nerf things that weren‘t problematic (by adding LoS to Tragedy, which only makes him painful to play for me) but they also buffed the things that were the issue (by increasing the overguard regeneration). It‘s really weird.
They also said the Tragedy range was too big (so it was a nerf on basis of principle, not because of actual gameplay reasons); but they completely ignored when the community said to remove LoS and reduce the range!
If they’re using los to reduce range then shouldn’t they be buffing the base range? Los blocks most things
@@andycampbell8622you would think so, but with all the doublespeak coming from reb lately, nah
Styanax and Frost can give the team overguard as well, but nobody seemed to care, but now that the new frame does it, everybody is butthurt that they can't use Rage, and ignore the fact that they get overguard gate which prevents instant death for frames like Inaros in like lvl 400 (which also happens to be Elite Deep Archemedia lvl)
@@proximityclockworkx1572 Styanax and Frost Overguard generation is jackshit compared to Dante, I'm sorry.
@@DawnAfternoon Erm, IDK what build you're using on Styanax, but it's MORE overguard than Dante in most builds. Plus, he generates overguard WHILE doing good damage, whereas Dante must choose to NOT do damage with an ability to generate overguard.
Some of the strategies for Elite Deep Archimedean involve turning on all restrictions except one (only losing out on a small bit of vospher), would you say that this Dante with Noctua would be a good choice for that, or do you think there’s a better exalted frame to main for the mode?
Depends on the debuffs.
Have you tried nourish over his 1? You can still 2 3 ult and have his noctua at 30% damage to but full status chance to use as a primer. It’s pretty amazing. Viral from nourish then whatever is on your noctua and then whatever is on your damage weapon.
Do you think it is worth running the book mod that strips armor?
I tried a niche secondary outburst build and found out the Naramon 2 that forces finishers doesn't let you actually use finishers on murmur/mechs even though the icon appears.
for a weapons build I rely on noctua being electric and just use it to gain energy with archon stretch and nexus it becomes relatively passive while giving the book away.
Also I just wanted to mention that the hunters adrenaline and rage do not work if your warframe has shields while they are overguarded. So only Nidus, Inaros, and Killervo if i remember correctly only get the overguard rage generation of energy. Unless they fixed that recently.
Glad the move has gone well for you. I feel like 'Matchbook Dante' as I'm gonna refer to this build does seem like a pretty fun time, even if the reason behind it is because of some seriously unwarranted nerfs to Tragedy. Even the Nezha nerfs are a joke... seriously, he had a new and unique way to build him besides being Diet Revenant with Roar on his 4, and they nerf it a week later to the point where it isn't worth using. Bruh.
Still, glad to see Dante isn't completely dead and buried, because I like the way he looks. (Pyramid Head fashion goes HARD.)
Quite out of topic question, but can ypu tell me what are those attachments? I've tried looking for them in thw store and cant find them 🙁
Congrats on the move!
with the right loadout dante at on top of loadout extra 300% strength can give upto 100+k squad overguard. what makes most content easy. also at base with same base loadout dante has ruffly 59k - 65 k overguard and that after the nerfs. and with a strength invigoration it could have been even more.
side note energy is note an issue with said loadout and that wihout zenurik.
It's not his defense that is bad atm, it's that LoS only works half the time still lol
@@agingerbeard I argee when his 4 hits can nuke pretty high level but sometimes an enemy will get but not other it seems like rng sometimes.
It would be better if they nerf base range to 20m/15m and drop line of sight, buff base range for his other 4th ablitles like the overguard and birds/notuca take some give some.
I've played him today for the first time after a long break and he feels like diet lavos. In a good way, you still have to prime your target with his 3 and then nuke them but he's not as terrible as you make it to be. Line of sight isn't even an issue, just jump and cast his 3 then 4, having a bird's eye view helps with seeing what places are safer to land and reposition. "It's line of sight so it's bad" oh please, adapt to it
Interested to hear about Nezha’s ult augment change in his segment of your upcoming warframe tierlist video!
Companion for energy: does Diriga still trigger Archon Stretch?
I'm pretty sure, yes. As of the mirage buff update it definitely did
I love noctua.
You can helm it off and still have it as a priming stack stick.
(I mean book)
Very interesting ability
I've hated the nerf, I still think he should be in day one state, but I am also still having fun. I only play base steel path (sub lvl 500 enemies) so I don't know how he scales. I find Noctua to be a very strong weapon, multishot gets pretty silly in crowds with the birbs going 😅
Distracted kpm tests are more representative of most gameplay anyway, certain setups are penalized by it more than others so it's good info too
I see almost no change in how I play him, I still have 2 yellow and 3 red shards from the last build and still run the old built casually and see almost no changes. For now I’ve decided to swap off Precision Intensify for Umbral Intensify when using Noctua but still have a loadout for Roar and PI to buff teammates a ton
Precision intensify still does some work
I have a question. WHY nerf my boi? The first frame in so long that came in a Very good place gets nerfed within a week
the short brozime made had me rolling😂 this nerf sucks cause i didnt use him at all until i found he got nerfed
Has anyone else found strange transmissions in the codex?
Specifically the "Grineer" fragment.
wonder how Nezha will work now that Dark Verse or Tragedy whatever it is has LoS
yes. Next question
I think he’s just neat :)
I will say, Tragedy with the birds seems to be still quite good. In general it will instakill enemies still because of the birds status vulnerability they give, but ya tragedy spam is definitely not as good, definitely want to upkeep the birds at the very least.
Using Noctua with the 4 invocations to gain 10 energy/s, 60% strength, 60% efficiency and 60% duration is where it’s at. No other Helminth buff is worth it in comparison imo. Use that on a dark verse build and annihilate SP, and get like 80k overguard no problem.
It's really just the LoS being busted that creates the problem. I would be fine with fov that had a range and punchthru.
Was fun using him back to using gyre for me
12:30 so for how I hear it it was that other frames were not working as the players built them (aka DE needs to change anything that says on taking health/shield damage to just say damage and remove the type, maybe put in a line that’s says dosnt work with other on damage effects so you can’t multi stack it) because of his overgaurd so they did the only reasonable thing (I’m been sarcastic) and called for Dante to be nerfed.
Personally I hate the idea of nerfing some because it’s better than the rest what really needs to happen is that all the stuff that is t as strong needs to be brought up to the new over powered level, balance is a nice idea but it’s not so,etching Warframe should ever concern itself with I mean we have players that can last for 24 hours in a survival map (personally I think these people need psychiatric help if they want to put themselves though that) and still be clearing whole maps I think we have long since past balance on the side of the road hitching a ride and we are still accelerating off into the distance stopping for no one.
I agree honestly I was so upset when I saw the nerfs and the changes haven’t really made me feel that much better. Like honestly it sort of just made me want to play him so much less as a result. Like he’s fine now but it just leaves a real bad taste in my mouth honestly. Just felt very much reactionary instead of a thought out idea.
I just don't understand why they don't understand. He was fine before. They said they MIGHT consider removing the LoS on Tragedy if they brought in his range some. I'm honestly hoping for that.
It’s not about if it’s still good, it’s about buying the product and then it getting “updated” and removing the exact features that I payed for.
While the 4 Nerf to LOS wasn't warranted, it still does incredibly high amounts of damage still in a rather large radius. It's just not brain dead spam and hit things through walls. The initial nerf was terrible, but after the changes to his 4 so now if your 2 hits an enemy you pretty much can guarantee that his 4 will now as well.
He looks great.
Bro, you didn't turn off screen shake?
It is off some things override it for some reason
I feel like its an interesting choice to go raw heat on the pure slash weapon when you could always just go viral and probably get more damage, but otherwise some great points about the stuff dante does that isn't tragedy.
Decided to try cursed Dante build and subsumed darkverse with nourish so I the light verse 4 so I noctua with viral corrosive and heat with infinite overshield
Sounds like he's passing gas at the start of his videos
Dante's tragedy is a menace, just put pageflight out.
He seems more reasonable now, less of a one trick pony. I'm sure most would take versitility over endgame dps-ing
What Helios skin is that?
The 2024 year of the dragon one
I run a slash viral setup with noctua with the ult strength mod so i prime super tanky enemies for my 4 and everyone else is just 334
DE just needs to make the 5m aoe scale with range
He got nerfed into my helmith after they ruined him beyond comprehension.
I could cry
I just want no LoS Tragedy back. Reduce it's range a bit or remove the initial damage but please just remove the LoS.
Line of Sight should use Head, Shoulders, Knees, and Toes.
The only reason I believe the nerf is warranted is just how insanely easy it was to NUKE rooms with the click of three buttons, his crazy amounts of overguard, and his exceptionally low Energy cost. He essentially had no flaws. These changes bring him more in line with other frames' silliness. Yes, other frames can do the same thing, but MOST of them require decent investment. That wasn't the case with Dante.
The three pillars Reb cited when she was talking about how the DE team targets nerfs were:
1. Griefing potential, or just generally causing some kind of interference with other people's play.
2. Allowing for passive or AFK play.
3. Dominance.
Dominance is the most poorly-defined metric there, and it's the one she implied was the reason they had for looking at Dante. I also totally agree with you that it's kind of absurd to judge a warframe as being "dominant" within the first week of release when they're the new hotness and everyone who can access them is going to do that because they want to try him out.
But, like... more than that, I'm just kind of struggling to see how any of the changes they made to him make him "less dominant" unless what you mean by "dominant" is "capable of dethroning Saryn as the queen of nuke." He still compares hella favorably to Ember and Gyre. He still makes the whole squad as tough as Rhino. Sure, you're pushing more buttons to do all that and you're paying more attention to your tile than you were before, but he's still nearly as capable as he was before - he just doesn't nuke through walls anymore.
It's a power fantasy game. What are we supposed to be, if not dominant?
"Saryn as the queen of nuke" xddddddddddd Lol, nuking what? She ain't nuking SP, she may give you 3 gigabuffs for your weapons, but she sure as shit don't nuke anything with ability damage above lvl 30 lol
I still think the nerf was kind of dumb because warframes like Saryn exist and I think the reasoning was just that Dante does not even have to interact with enemies just to do things. Free Overguard that's spammable and unlike Kullervo is just the cost of energy. His 4 combined with the owls and just teams in general just made it illegal for enemies to exist despite never ever having to see them. It's a shame that it happened but it's better than a range nerf.
Thanks comment section I was thinking of buying him b4 the slaughter im good now
Dagath does not need buffs? Are you joking?
I really think they needed to look into overguard and not Dante when changing things. The nerfs felt like a massive knee-jerk reaction that needed more time to actually look into things before acting.
While OG Dante didn't need nerfs for anything in steel path or above, I think there's a point to be made about the entire rest of the star chat. My guess for the "dominance/disrupting" argument is that newer players had a Bad Time among other players who bought Dante for plat, because there is a base damage output for tragedy that doesn't require dark verse applications first, you could cast tragedy in star chart content and everything with less than 2k health in a nearly 100m radius disappears. My totally non legitimate armchair dev fix would have been to simply remove the base tragedy damage so star chart Dante players have to work marginally harder to expunge tiles without a second thought, without needing to add LoS
even if its bad i do enjoy archon continuity + 2 green corrosive stack shards xD
Creeping terrify.. armor strip and slash procs
He needs to tell me where I can find my dual MIGHTY SEERS
Weird is the word to all the things happening witz dante patch xd
Viral tempest Dante
Unpopular opinion, but I don't really get why people are so upset on those nerfs. Dante can still demolish anything that stands in front of him. You can not nuke entier rooms anymore by just pressing a button and not even looking at the screen, that is true, but he is still insanely strong. Also with the overguard nerfs you can still get to 70k+ with a good strength build very easily. To me it seems like a small inconvenience compared to the power that Dante has. LOS indeed has some inconsistencies, but I always managed to overcome those and finish missions with flying colors even on high level content.
The biggest problem with the nerfs is that he was only out for a week and they nerf hammered him. Without giving time to collect data and see if he is as big of a problem as people were saying. It's a knee-jerk reaction that sets a bad precedent for future frames.
What if the next frame is good and popular and they nerf them too? It sours the mood to be exited for anything if they go back to their old ways and nerf it the moment it comes out.
Line of sight as a mechanic in warframe is also silly and doesn't belong at all.
I swear some of the people who cry about him getting nerfed never actually played him after the changes he's just as strong as he was before you just need to actually play the game to use his kit
I don't think the nerfs ruin him in the slightest. I would say Dante is still an excellent warframe, and still compares quite favorably to other nuke 'frames like Ember and Gyre.
I can still compare how he worked before the nerfs to how other warframes work and how he works after the nerfs and come to the conclusion that the nerfs weren't really necessary and didn't accomplish much besides making him less fun.
@Garroosh this games needs a overhaul to balance desperately. After the power fantasy wares off it gets so stale. No challenge whatsoever.
Where’s the 2024 roster review
Well, DE doing DE things. Let's just say this is why I haven't come back still. RIP to a fun mechanic.
I found added a shard that adds ability dmg on status effect to do wonders for the DPS of his abilitys. I lean into corrosive with him over heat. 3 green shards & 2 yellow for casting speed.
Also mod for toxin on noctua & add the mod on toxin status to add corrosive. Then im covered for corpus & grineer & the new faction.
The "ruins others play experience" bit was that people using bad frames and weapons were moaning that dante was killing things faster than them... as if there arent already other frames that can do that.
ugh... well, I was just about to forma Dante, but I guess I'll just feed him to the thing in the closet.
Back to Wisp...
Why are ysing the book when you can just spam 334 and kill everything way more efficiently.
If the community deems a new warframe slightly underwhelming DE interprets it as it being in very balanced and good position, if community deems a new warframe very good and above average DE interprets it as it being too powerful and in need of a nerf.
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Watch 100% bet they reverse the changes in 2 years when the prime releases. Lol
I literally just use the same build you put out day 1 and have no problems. This is overblown now.
The nerfs were worth finally getting LoS changes
he can still do work but sadly with the ever increasing multilayer tilsets...line of sight restrictions are just so bad on those maps,imagine being the new warframe that cant even be comfortably be played in the tilesets that released alongside him
and that being said manny warframes suffer from and yet where not allowed to have cc yet where not allowed no los ability's yet gauss still exsist
its sad but i feel like ever since DE joined together with tencent,just being seeing allota under the radar scummy tactics
just to name a example;before the new war released we where told in devstreams that we where gonna need a nechrmech for the new war questline,so que to the last week before launhc and all of a sudden void righ big discount wich all cool and good but then new war launched and you litterly get the parts for the nechramech for free.....scummy
They nerfed dante because they decided to finish reading sukuna vs gojo and they wanted revenge against sukuna
Dante had a better Expedite Suffering, I don't get how anyone crying about the nerfs don't understand what that meant. People complaining about the nerf never knew its power in the first place lol.
So the frame works fine still and you get better performance from using the full toolkit? Sounds like a good change tbh, once the tears have dried.
Still my personal head common (even though i know it's pretty far from the case) that all the bs nerfs this patch happened literally only because they got scared there precious saryn and Octavia were getting powercrept because they know dam well they WANT TO look into saryn but because of cult like following they can't.
Again full aware this ain't the case but that's the head cannon I'ma keep
Edit: also when it comes to interacting. I'll say the same thing i WANTED to say to the prick last night for asking me to "sToP sPAmInG 3" on inaros mf's u don't want you interacting with your build go solo and shut up. Cause it's infinitely more bs to put time into things like the over guard stuff
More upset about the Frost nerf TBH.