Why Pro Players Don't Pick Vel'Koz?

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Komentáře • 316

  • @bokbliner
    @bokbliner Před 27 dny +3319

    if an off meta draft gets you fired as a coach then thats fkd up. No wonder we keep seeing same champs over and over again.

    • @wilddanny5584
      @wilddanny5584 Před 27 dny +32

      Kinda why I not worried about league people just don't get the game still

    • @grimdeathkid
      @grimdeathkid Před 27 dny +89

      Lets say you have to put in the hours Azzapp has to be a challenger level velkoz.
      Well if you are a coach demanding your players learn vel as an off meta pick they suddenly have 0 time to practice other champs, velkoz gets ban, they int.
      Of course it's going to get you fired, it's just a bad coaching decision when you could achieve better results while saving time to practice a greater rotation of champions.

    • @trailfork7815
      @trailfork7815 Před 27 dny +13

      Which is why I'm all for fearless draft

    • @abdallahhakeem5185
      @abdallahhakeem5185 Před 27 dny +94

      LS had legitimately been drafting double enchanter perfectly and winning games with ease off of that and they kicked him.
      It was working, and they dropped him off 3-4 games in
      Biggest letdown of all e-sports for me. I had like 2-3x more hype for all of league esports while that was happening

    • @deadspace4755
      @deadspace4755 Před 27 dny +4

      ​@@abdallahhakeem5185You got videos on it? Which double enchanters? Like Soraka top lane?

  • @RollieRob
    @RollieRob Před 27 dny +1064

    So refreshing to hear an actual answer!

    • @gardmyhr6121
      @gardmyhr6121 Před 26 dny +3

      And vel koz takes some pratice, is he good but hard to learn, proboly no one is going to play it. Is he compeltly broken but hard to setup and learn, argue yes and no (pick it once and hardwin, it gets banned next games...) and all your pratice on a hard champion is worthless.
      Ori azir tristana, very easy to play and effective, see no loseing there

  • @lv99roidmage25
    @lv99roidmage25 Před 27 dny +910

    Bruh I hate opening up a league esports stream and seeing the same comps for what seems to me for the last 2 years, it’s so bland same comps same items never any variety
    I fucking miss C9 debut year

    • @semnejlepsi8983
      @semnejlepsi8983 Před 27 dny +5

      debut year? do you mean debut 4 games?

    • @bombkita
      @bombkita Před 27 dny +16

      You say that then say you miss old C9. You realize old C9 abused ashe zyra for literally ever? Weird.

    • @Djnekro2302
      @Djnekro2302 Před 27 dny +3

      Thats a funny way to spell unicorns of love

    • @gorandjurica7149
      @gorandjurica7149 Před 27 dny +8

      I think he is talking about ls c9 even tho it was 4 games idk those drafts in the 1st 3 games were a fresh of breath compare to usual​@@bombkita

    • @abdallahhakeem5185
      @abdallahhakeem5185 Před 27 dny +14

      @@Djnekro2302UoL was so damn lit. Gadget was a GOATed Bot laner for me just because of how he played so many APCs.
      The tactic they had where Orianna APC was solo bot while their Leona did a secret lvl 1 gank on top side, just… **chef’s kiss** perfection
      I want more innovation
      Give me wild cards please LoL.
      Give me bruiser ADCs, Double Jungle, Mage Top, Smite Sion Tops, pocket picks, signature picks.
      Anything but the same few champions rotated every game with max 1 adjustment

  • @gaze2156
    @gaze2156 Před 27 dny +160

    I feel like esports could change the reward structure so that the entertainment factor is taken into account.
    Like, if there's no way you're beating T1 at their own game, throw them a curvevall. They know every meta matchup and are coached ridiculously hard. Playing something they're not used to might be the edge a slightly-worse player needs to get the upper hand. Play something new and exciting and fun to watch, and if you put up a good fight, you'll at least be a fan favorite.

    • @amauryv1408
      @amauryv1408 Před 27 dny +9

      that's pretty much the tigers' story and I'm down for more of it

    • @TheSucidalpanda
      @TheSucidalpanda Před 27 dny +16

      That's what Team Liquid did, they pulled out Samira ADC and almost won... They lost the game to an elder flip.

    • @thepandrbr
      @thepandrbr Před 27 dny +3

      I feel like fearless draft being more common could help a bit. Not a lot, a bit

    • @Crona_Gowther_Kanato
      @Crona_Gowther_Kanato Před 27 dny

      @@TheSucidalpandawtf are you talking about, did bro really just call Samira “off meta?” Lmao she was arguably more broken than both of the wind-sh*tter brothers combined when shield bow was in its prime, you’re delusional sorry

    • @alex2005z
      @alex2005z Před 26 dny +2

      Thats a very short term plan. Look at the laneswaps for an example

  • @francesco8000
    @francesco8000 Před 27 dny +67

    fearless draft may be the solution to this: a team can't play the same champion in a series so if you play 5 games you MUST play 5 different champions.
    In that context pocket picks like vel koz may become more popular.

    • @ShadowMudkip123
      @ShadowMudkip123 Před 27 dny +2

      it might lead to teams throwing out a game just to save their picks which could be a worse problem

    • @AhmadIzzJ
      @AhmadIzzJ Před 27 dny +11

      ​@@ShadowMudkip123nah hardcore fearless would null that. Enemy picks are universally banned too going forward, no such thing as saving picks if there's a chance enemy team pick your 'saved pick'

    • @alex2005z
      @alex2005z Před 26 dny +5

      ​@@ShadowMudkip123no team would trowh a game to save picks. Why not just pick them in that game and win? Pros play enough champions for multiple games

    • @ShadowMudkip123
      @ShadowMudkip123 Před 26 dny +2

      @@alex2005z I was thinking in a 5 game series: you win game 1, next game enemy takes strong picks and so you pick weak this game in order to have a higher chance of securing the win next game (rather than face their strong picks with your strong picks and potentially lose them for nothing). It would be different in full fearless but that’s just what I see could happen in soft fearless

    • @niels8195
      @niels8195 Před 26 dny

      Or we remove the banphase, and now we can have otps in competitive teams!

  • @averagepersonvibing9219
    @averagepersonvibing9219 Před 27 dny +24

    the new fearless drafts happening will hopefully help this, although it's only a soft fearless in lpl, for example

  • @Acusumano25
    @Acusumano25 Před 27 dny +201

    I fucking HATE that so many people just opt for "meta" and put their head in the sand for anything else. Doesnt matter the game either
    Like, what do people think happened before any given build/strat was considered meta? Someone had to try it before people knew it was good

    • @Dark-ch5cj
      @Dark-ch5cj Před 27 dny +11

      This was the mindset of early league players. You invented new strategies to win. Moscow 5 invented counter jungling, hell even the concept of a jungler, was a new strat because it used to be a 2, 1, 2, situation where u basically had two botlanes. Season 1 had the MVP of that year running full ap Alistar Mid which was unheard of before. But since people are scared to innovate you will never see a game shift like this again. You very well could, strats such as double jungling or perma roam supports do exist waiting for some team to come along and perfect the strat.

    • @noha7688
      @noha7688 Před 27 dny +19

      @@Dark-ch5cj Well why innovate when Riot will just nerf it out of existence 3 weeks later

    • @dcskate1022
      @dcskate1022 Před 27 dny +5

      I mean when you’re getting paid tens of thousands dollars to play a video game you go with what you know works.

    • @Acusumano25
      @Acusumano25 Před 27 dny

      @@dcskate1022 My comment wasn't talking about pros. it was talking about the communities at large, and it doesn't matter what game community we're talking about either

    • @SoratiosIV
      @SoratiosIV Před 27 dny +9

      ​@@noha7688no no no, he has a point, riot hates everything not in there plans for "meta rn"

  • @remveel2443
    @remveel2443 Před 27 dny +45

    It's also weird that the meta only shifts if EU teams tries to shift it.
    We see this with G2 on lane swaps. Sure, NIP started it, but it was in no intention to start a new meta but to save their bot from a horrible matchup. That was the initial reason.
    But G2 expanded the reasoning and made it viable at any reason.
    My point is, unless an EU team went ballistic woah with Velkos and pushed him to be meta in EU scene, Velkos would never be played competitive. Especially by LPL or LCK with their tough skull for changes

    • @lordiolits1429
      @lordiolits1429 Před 27 dny

      I don't see ur point ... How can tell eu start this meta while U also said that nip started it ? They wanted to dodge horrible matchup , yes , that's the goal of swap pick . Probably because U saw more G2 it , but nip had match later on the tournament, so a lot of ppl played it before .

    • @manuelbonelli3690
      @manuelbonelli3690 Před 26 dny +4

      It's not easy to innovate. Sometimes it works because the weird pick is actually good but most of the times it works only because teams are not used to it so you catch them off guard but once they figure it out it becomes completely useless. Lane swap is a a completely different story because it has much more in game depth than a random champion pick so you can't compare the two things

    • @alex2005z
      @alex2005z Před 26 dny

      ​@@lordiolits1429if we go by that logic NIP didnt invent it. IG did it last year against JDG. But it didnt stick into a strategy, it was a one off thing

    • @abbe3161
      @abbe3161 Před 26 dny +2

      Ik u dont Watch Amor of pro League if u think only eu shift meta usually it’s lck sometimes lpl that shift the meta and then eu takes after it like lane swaps with nip also recently only reason why people played double as bot was cause t1 then I believe rumble support to counter that was lpl also reksai top was lck I can probably name 10 more off meta picks that became popular or strategies that are lpl or lck

    • @alex2005z
      @alex2005z Před 26 dny

      @@abbe3161 if it was just NIP doing it laneswaps wouldnt have started. IG did them last year as well, and it didnt stick. Rumble support is the one I would give you credit for, but thats ignoring the context of the pick. Rumble support isnt anything to farei out of the ordinary after the huge meta change we had in 2022 worlds (so the marksmen support thing, which essentially showed the value of any lane bully in bot). Heimer support, camile support... their existance is all due to that.

  • @Taireyn
    @Taireyn Před 26 dny +2

    I really hope we get true fearless draft in all leagues next year, true as in one team picks it, it’s banned for everyone. I feel like rare picks wouldn’t automatically put you at risk of losing your job if that were the case. Or idk what else to do to dramatically change things, but something definitely has to change

  • @zoroark522
    @zoroark522 Před 27 dny +10

    Many potentially good points, but I would say that above all else it's because Vel'Koz as a champion doesn't provide enough reward for the risk of picking him. For example, you could just pick Viktor or Syndra and have just as useful (if not more useful) CC, better burst and overall damage (for the tradeoff of less tank killing), while also being significantly easier to pull off because they are very safe champions who have good 1v1 presence in lane for roams and avoiding early setbacks.
    It's as simple as there not being any sort of balance to champions if you take away the numbers. Some champions are objectively better, and while it doesn't mean they will always win, why make the conscious decision to take a steeper path when in a race? Especially when the outcome of that race is your livelihood and dream.

  • @autumnasmr4543
    @autumnasmr4543 Před 27 dny +33

    This should be 5 mill views

  • @kerroseir4764
    @kerroseir4764 Před 27 dny +8

    Cant wait for yorick in pro play

  • @tsino8691
    @tsino8691 Před 26 dny +4

    Azzapp has such good takes its crazy

  • @jenostheascended7818
    @jenostheascended7818 Před 24 dny +2

    Even if you could slot him into a draft (you would need a damn good reason for him to be better than a more standard support/mid), it would also have to happen often enough that it's worse wasting practice time on it, unless some player already practices him constantly in his free time. Look at the latest interview from the G2 coach at MSI. Job security is maybe 1% of the reason why innovative picks aren't considered. The real reason is that it's just not worth it to waste your good practice time on an off meta pick u less you are 100% sure the player is an expert on that champion, and it's good into a meta comp, and it can be drafted reliably without sacrificing all of your team's picks.

  • @Somethingaboutanother1537
    @Somethingaboutanother1537 Před 25 dny +12

    The enchanter off lane like soraka and janna top and double support bot was so fun to watch as much as people hated it at that time. Now we just get boring meta picks that are pretty much the same each season.

    • @huntersuper98
      @huntersuper98 Před 2 dny

      Janna top was the opposite of fun. The rest were fine though.

  • @thetillter2228
    @thetillter2228 Před 27 dny +8

    W strimmer W editor

  • @Ashley18394
    @Ashley18394 Před 27 dny +3

    they should have the competitive scene at the very start of new season, when everything is new and everyone Is forced to try out new stuff

    • @Kepitano
      @Kepitano Před 26 dny +1

      This is already the case. Every new season Riot makes big changes, it does affect pro play meta but not so much. The problem is, after like 1 week everyone just copies LCK meta and it sticks for nearly the entire season (unless Riot makes some big changes which they already do before every Worlds)

  • @Haelda
    @Haelda Před 14 dny

    this is also during last MSI when European teams went off meta they performed so well

  • @Pand4Gaming
    @Pand4Gaming Před 27 dny +1

    Coming back after years its hilarious and sad to see nothing has changed.
    Loving urf season. Never had so nuch fun playint a game lmfao.

  • @christianh.pedersen5976
    @christianh.pedersen5976 Před 27 dny +12

    Im a coach, at an erl, and the reasons you give in the end are not entirely true. Often it's not cause coaches is afraid to go off meta, but the players do not have a big enough champ pool. Because they often look up to pros they mimic theirs styles. Which mean should they pick something off meta, they need to learn it from start. Which is hard when you are focusing more on fundamentals and macro.

    • @aydenr5467
      @aydenr5467 Před 27 dny +6

      As a coach, is it not your job then to encourage or tell them to expand their champ pool? Sounds like a cop out honestly.

    • @Randoodoo
      @Randoodoo Před 27 dny

      It also depends on a players willingness to learn said new champ.

    • @aydenr5467
      @aydenr5467 Před 27 dny +1

      @@Randoodoo students learn, that's why they have coaches. If you aren't open to learning, don't be a student, be ignorant.

    • @Randoodoo
      @Randoodoo Před 27 dny

      @@aydenr5467 it is true that they should be learning, but its also about the effort to put in to play said champ well. It is easier to play a meta champ than a niche champ.

    • @aydenr5467
      @aydenr5467 Před 27 dny +2

      @@Randoodoo actually the time it takes to learn a champ is based on the individual champs skill ceiling, not whether it is meta. But that's fine, we'll continue to excuse laziness.

  • @Powerate
    @Powerate Před 27 dny +1

    I think it's because Pro meta champions are usually self sufficient champion that don't need a lot of help to setup their plays or can react and fight while defending theirselves to the enemy's plays

  • @matheuslemos8111
    @matheuslemos8111 Před 27 dny +2

    I love when i see off meta picks in competitive but its rare...

  • @IceTax69
    @IceTax69 Před 27 dny +3

    Velkoz doesnt bring anything unique to the table. Its a situational champ which requires a lot of time to learn, so why bother learning it when u got better options. Also you have to remember that Riot balances champions for low. mid, high elo and pro play, so obviously u wont see half the champs in competetive because theyre balanced for something that is not pro play.

  • @ethanklaus4113
    @ethanklaus4113 Před 2 dny

    I love his words choice, so professional

  • @duyvukhanh4525
    @duyvukhanh4525 Před 27 dny +1

    I think the first reason of velkoz being too skill reliant explains it. Consistency is an important factor of a pick so that it won't be useless if the velkoz player, for example, gets ganked and was set behind or the player messes up. That's why picks like Kindred, Fiora or Riven are only viable in proplay when they're really, really strong to mitigate that factor if not, the player must be super confident he does everything perfectly to keep himself afloat in the game, which is more often than not, not the case.

  • @maximumjoker8692
    @maximumjoker8692 Před 23 dny

    One of the reasons Adam was so fun to see on Darius/Garen. So refreshing to see something fun and different to the same 5 tops

  • @crokiecrocanine1657
    @crokiecrocanine1657 Před 27 dny +7

    I hate the idea of innovation gets you fired if you loose. One of the reasons I like league is how many options there are. Seeing that makes me sad cause id love to get that good at league someday but yeah its tough when it seems the corps are also against your fun in competitive

  • @rulerdark
    @rulerdark Před 27 dny +3

    The same concept can be used in politics. You just do what already somehow worked instead of trying to make changes and lose the next election if it fails.

  • @Zazazaaz13
    @Zazazaaz13 Před 27 dny +2

    And between all this people there is one toplaner that pick Garen or Darius at worlds

  • @underscore5673
    @underscore5673 Před 25 dny +1

    actualy answer: his very narrow utility makes him not worthwhile to pick up for pros cause theyd rather practice something they r gonna play 99 games out of 100 instead of that off chance pick that might give them a nice advantage in a single game

  • @member_bts7707
    @member_bts7707 Před 15 dny +1

    Press buffed E and Q W R so hard dude

  • @JohnSmith-hv6ks
    @JohnSmith-hv6ks Před 24 dny

    I can't wait for fearless format to start in pro league

  • @EvanWiren-gk6dx
    @EvanWiren-gk6dx Před 25 dny

    To add on to his point, you have to consider the fact that the current meta in comp is mobility. Being able to influence the entire map is hard for characters like velkoz who dpnt have any mobility spells like other comp midlaners (yone and yas, despite their recent nerfs, embody this perfectly). He also lacks escape tools due to his design(which is not a bad thing) because all of velkoz's abilities except for w make him immobile for a time(even if it's only a half second) which makes him easy to shut down in a team fight. You need to be in a really good position where you can still impact the fight while being relatively hard to get to, but even that won't stop rell, azir, yone,etc from flashing over a wall to cancel your ult. He's simply too vulnerable for comp. Sorry if there are any spelling mistakes, I wrote this when I was tired.

    • @AsianInAsia
      @AsianInAsia Před 24 dny

      He isn't too vulnerable for comp, he's just too reliant on skillshots. Vel is a strong af champion, but he's limited by the same factor every other control mage is limited by, mana and movement.
      Ori has a speed up, but needs her ball to be on her and her W costs 60 mana early when she only has something like 500 mana. It's a high cost for a small bump. Viktor has move speed too, but needs to Q to get it. It's the same story for almost, if not all control mages. Vel'Koz has high damage and plenty of CC in his kit. He would actually be fine in comp considering champs like Rell and Taliyah being played in jungle where they can set up for him insanely easy given his range

  • @MrResns
    @MrResns Před 13 dny

    Azzap low key one of the greatest lol players ever

  • @Zoalde
    @Zoalde Před 27 dny +2

    Dude I used to really enjoy watching esports. But now it's just so incredibly boring. That's also why I love the small teams at worlds, they know thwy are not winning shit so they just have fun with their drafts

  • @Raging_Tsunami
    @Raging_Tsunami Před 27 dny

    We genuinely need an oldhead who remembers the days before m5 made league comp what it is today

  • @kcenturflux5203
    @kcenturflux5203 Před 27 dny

    Amazing analysis in under 2 mins

  • @yagizyuksel9842
    @yagizyuksel9842 Před 14 dny

    There is a pro player called Bolulu. He plays velkoz time to time and he almost always does great job on the champ.

  • @mainquest1769
    @mainquest1769 Před 27 dny +1

    Idea: How about players can’t use the same characters twice in esports? So a BO5 would see a variety of strats

  • @katier6612
    @katier6612 Před 26 dny

    its like tons of unused picks in proplay - they're not as reliable and you cant be sure they will do the job really well

  • @karma_akabane1304
    @karma_akabane1304 Před 27 dny

    Sion int in proplay would be something nice to see

  • @merobo5066
    @merobo5066 Před 27 dny

    If I think Vel'Koz in competitive the first thing that comes to mind is Diplex on OP Innogy which is a give away of how long ago this was...

  • @TraxisOnTheLines
    @TraxisOnTheLines Před 27 dny

    That's so true and I hate it - if you try something new and fail, you get fired immediately, and that doesn't let people grow or learn.

  • @bradenskaggs5350
    @bradenskaggs5350 Před 25 dny

    It's the same reason for why, even when he was broken for multiple pro patches and remained a good counterpick into Azir, Xerath remained an unplayed champion even when he was turbo broken because pro players dont invest time into hard skill intensive champions that dont remain meta. Unlike say Azir, who yes is hard, but remains constant in the meta, champs like Vel'koz and Xerath arent always the best option in a pro play meta for a while, and since they can be relatively difficult to play in a pro setting, pro teams dont want to spend the time learning these good counter options

  • @cahn2003
    @cahn2003 Před 21 dnem

    Its crazy how some people think its normal that at the highest level of competetion its normal to only be able to play 2 champs over and over.

  • @onlymyself1234
    @onlymyself1234 Před 26 dny

    How thematically appropriate

  • @raiohkyros
    @raiohkyros Před 26 dny

    Maybe with LPL fearless draft we get to see it. I don't know much about LPL tho and if any midlaners are even at least fond of Vel'koz

  • @brent13
    @brent13 Před 25 dny

    remember how sick LS drafts were...

  • @TheOneWhoGivesUp
    @TheOneWhoGivesUp Před 26 dny

    i have fought a really good velkoz on my local tournament i got squashed but i remembered i am playing so before he kills me ill kill him first.Their team won the tournament though had to carry all my teammates due to huge lack of team play in team.

  • @EditorSecimi
    @EditorSecimi Před 12 dny

    There is just one dude can actually pull off velkoz is old velkoz otp (Bolulu, right now he is playing at FUT Esports; He sometimes pick velkoz at pro games)

  • @cooperschmitz2649
    @cooperschmitz2649 Před 25 dny

    The issue is constant balance patches. It’s much easier to just find something that is consistent and easy to implement each patch than it is to experiment until you find something truly unique and great.
    I think the constant balance cycles have caused something to be lost in modern games. Look at competitive melee for how much metas can evolve decades later. And that game is far less complex than league. But watching aMsa singled handedly turn Yoshi into a viable character was insane. Seeing jmook be a contender for the best player with a sheik in 2023 and shitting on the tier list is a great story. You just don’t get that with games that balance all the time.

  • @liquidlazark8970
    @liquidlazark8970 Před 26 dny

    There was an immortals mid laner that liked picking velkoz he wasn’t good at coventinal picks though so he was booted

  • @solalsalem8641
    @solalsalem8641 Před 27 dny

    if some of you want to watch a vel'koz in a pro game you watch the replay of GENTLE MATES vs EINTRACHT SPANDAU EMEA MASTERS MAIN EVENT DAY 2, that's the only recent one i can think of

  • @joelf5354
    @joelf5354 Před 27 dny

    That's why there was so much hype on LS joining C9, sad that it didn't last for much even though he had a winning record

  • @TheGoodStuff460
    @TheGoodStuff460 Před 25 dny

    have you ever had the opportunity to train a pro on this champ? i think it would be interesting to see a pro play it when it might counter a meta and it could become that super sneaky pocket pick

  • @slickity
    @slickity Před 26 dny +1

    It’s simple. No pro has any experience playing vel koz and he’s not simple enough or good enough for them to gain experience on him.

  • @marcusjohnson8649
    @marcusjohnson8649 Před 27 dny +1

    I hate that the pro scene affects how people play in lower levels so heavily in EVERY sport. Steph curry wins a championship off his very unique talent he spent a decade developing? Now everyone stands outside the three point line tryna be the next curry. Idk if im trippin or something but its just sad to me

  • @biackwargreymon4113
    @biackwargreymon4113 Před 27 dny +1

    the skill required to hit velkoz q consistently is way too high especially in competitive and challenger

  • @tareyus2977
    @tareyus2977 Před 26 dny

    Remember Adam and Garen at worlds? Good times lmao.

  • @mariobaic6180
    @mariobaic6180 Před 27 dny

    Silver - gets full comboed by velkoz
    Pro player- side steps, flash or QSS+dash to interupt the knock up and cc-es the velkoz... we are talking about people who can predict and react to a 2 frame cassio ult. Hell, there was a clip of a kalista getting lee sin ulted and before she was 1/3 knocked away cleanse+flash and she walks off instead of getting wombo comboed.

  • @lolrewynd
    @lolrewynd Před 26 dny

    The last part about coaches being afraid to innovate is exactly what happened to ls when he was hired on as c9s coach. He likes innovative drafts and got fired almost as soon as he got hired because of them.

  • @elliswilson1125
    @elliswilson1125 Před 27 dny

    Why to me @G2 will always be fun to follow and root for! They constantly just send the nuttiest picks

  • @DamianSzajnowski
    @DamianSzajnowski Před 27 dny

    Funnily (madly different champions with varying playstyles, mobility and agency), seems similar to Riven. A very situational (counter) pick with too much skill and risk-reward for most to bother.

  • @minhdoandinhanh3656
    @minhdoandinhanh3656 Před 27 dny

    The fear less draft hope will change this

  • @Lightmagician60
    @Lightmagician60 Před 27 dny

    when you start using Conformity as a shield, it's no longer conformity, it's confirmation bias and complacency.

  • @ahmaddanialad65
    @ahmaddanialad65 Před 24 dny

    Now that league slowly using the fearless format…maybe just maybe..they will be a pick or two on velkoz

  • @PlanteEnPot
    @PlanteEnPot Před 27 dny +1

    Veteran mentionned, argument failed

  • @jimmydied_999
    @jimmydied_999 Před 26 dny

    Azzap you should coach a competitive league of legends team

  • @ea_unknown1270
    @ea_unknown1270 Před 25 dny

    As a Vel'koz main(1.3m mas) I agree with that. I can easily go to emeral with one pick, then its completely difference. So after that just pick meta to win. even you barely play that champion, JUST PICK EM UP. Meta are too much diff. What a boring game these days. Not like old time.

  • @aeugh8998
    @aeugh8998 Před 27 dny

    The thing is, is it worth it to play cheese pick? It's their job to win or at the very least "try" to win, it's money first before entertainment. Yeah they can be people champion, but at the same time that's it. It only works out if they ever become another thing other than Pros, like becoming a streamer or branding for example.
    Another thing is, does playing a certain champ transfer the mastery? Like for example if you play Zyra Mid does the mastery transfer into other champ? Most champ that do got picked a lot on proplay has a certain transferability between them whether it's macrowise or how they are played.
    The final thing is, how consistent and impactful your champ will be? This is also why Assasin rarely get picked or just get picked if it was turbo broken. Yes you can 100-0 somebody, but how often can you do that? The enemy will just buy stopwatch or group to respect the Assasin. Also, doesn't matter how little impact a champ can do, if it always can do it then it's a good pick proplay-wise

  • @StandingHereIRealizeYouWereJus

    They are not playing for fun, they are playing for money, some of them for a lot of money. It's their lively hood at stake, I can understand why you would avoid risk in a setting like that.
    The moment money gets involved it changes the nature of the game. If they don't use the best strategies, they will get folded by someone that does, and potentially lose money from not winning.
    It's also a tournament setting, and some champion designs and stategies lend themselves better to that. And again, if money is on the line, there is no reason to pick something that works worse in such a setting.

    • @StandingHereIRealizeYouWereJus
      @StandingHereIRealizeYouWereJus Před 27 dny

      It's not that Vel'koz is not an insane champion. It's that a champion like Orianna pretty much fills the same role, but is just that tiny bit more consistent and has that tiny bit more utility, which really goes a long way in a tournament setting where 2 losses means you pack your bags.

  • @brurfranb2523
    @brurfranb2523 Před 27 dny +3

    Vel coz not being in competitive is maybe the worst argument for him being hard. As the coachs say it is viable, but 1 no one plays it 2 it is too inconsistent. Why pick velcoz when hwei does “the same tings” just more consistent.

  • @Mr_CyberCookie
    @Mr_CyberCookie Před 24 dny

    "Why isn't he played"
    "He's too hard"
    Silver player: 😭😭

  • @atticusrobinson3371
    @atticusrobinson3371 Před 24 dny

    Chovy played it that one time but lost unfortunately

  • @mateovergara9174
    @mateovergara9174 Před 10 dny +1

    Ah yes pressing 4 buttons very difficult for pro players

  • @stormzo6235
    @stormzo6235 Před 24 dny

    This is just like the saying "no one got fired for going with Cisco/IBM"

  • @sirmatic7962
    @sirmatic7962 Před 27 dny

    Are there any esports teams ( similar to debut C9) that offer interesting and innovative solutions against the competitive scene?

  • @ProsyMe
    @ProsyMe Před 27 dny +1

    Yea you're way better than people who actually do it for a living

    • @janah6473
      @janah6473 Před 27 dny

      On Velkoz most likely yes. Did you know there is a lot of players on ladder that were never pro and will never go pro that are btter than the majority of current pros? Thats how that works.

    • @ProsyMe
      @ProsyMe Před 27 dny

      @@janah6473 that's true they only let people become pros who are worse than everyone else who happen to have superiority complex

  • @deseanlothian
    @deseanlothian Před 27 dny +1

    No point even talking about this, cause nothings gonna get changed.
    Sheeps gonna use the same season 1 comp till the death of the game.
    Copy whatever they see on CZcams cause they cant think for themselves.

  • @kittyman106gaming
    @kittyman106gaming Před 26 dny

    What do you think of Bolulu when he used to play velkoz in pro?

  • @braden8805
    @braden8805 Před 27 dny

    Another reason could be Velkoz is a high skill champ, and it’s just not worth for players to soak that much time into a champ that is only situationally good. Also, why pick Velkoz when Ziggs is more consistent and has tower executes?
    Sure Velkoz can do more damage in a burst combo, but consistency is one of the most important things in pro play.

  • @kingerniemenor8128
    @kingerniemenor8128 Před 22 dny

    That is why i love Dota2 esports more than League even if I love playing league more. League is more fun playing but less fun to watch because we see too little variation unlike a carry IO winning TI. I wish pro scene of league can be more interesting with more variety of champion drafts.

  • @Roman-ib8qn
    @Roman-ib8qn Před 27 dny

    I feel like so many champs can do what velkoz does better and safer

  • @aaronblasco5190
    @aaronblasco5190 Před 27 dny

    This guys are doing this while Valorant piked 4 Duelist and a Cypher

  • @darkbladelp9868
    @darkbladelp9868 Před 8 dny

    Theres no such champ to stop Ksante from getting picked everytime everywhere in the championship.

  • @marcuionut6319
    @marcuionut6319 Před 24 dny

    adam was legend picking garen and olaf to have those champs banned in the end coz he was beating people up

  • @hinro
    @hinro Před 27 dny

    The sad thing is those top korean drafts are rarely the best picks. Often they will counter pick themselves just to keep playing the same champs they have been playing. They have long since given up on doing anything new or interesting.
    As an example when zeri was released and was in every damn game not once did you see her strongest counter pick. Nasus wither makes the game completely unplayable for zeri and it works in the support role but it never showed up.
    I miss msi unicorns of love.

  • @belcurve
    @belcurve Před 25 dny

    It's the same reason that every overwatch league player doesn't just pick widow every match. It's so reliant on skill and there's no room for error to do functionally the same thing that an easier champion can do.

  • @amazingaceking9298
    @amazingaceking9298 Před 10 dny

    Playing vel’koz isn’t a problem at high elo because of the surrounding high elo players, it’s because the current high elo is inflated with one trick pony trash that just climb by playing hundreds of games in the same roll as the same champion, lots of exceptions with much better players but there’s just a large lack of any player in competitive or not to give a shit about learning to actually enjoy the game and not just one champ

  • @TheSorrowfulAngel
    @TheSorrowfulAngel Před 24 dny

    State of competitive is really sad.
    One thing that is true in league: Even the pro players do not kno all the best strategies in the game. There are likely many strategies and builds that would work in pro - but no one is trying them, learning them or they flat out dont even realize its an option.

  • @FaceFish9
    @FaceFish9 Před 27 dny +1

    there is a very simple answer why Vel'koz is not played. he has no dash. If he had Aurelions flight, top tier pick instantly. Akali dash? pick or ban... that's how pro meta is, if you are not Orianna and you don't have dashes you are not a midlane champion.

    • @ADoomain
      @ADoomain Před 27 dny +1

      Hwei, taliyah, annies seen some use, tf, syndra etc. And thats just mid. Dash≠meta pick at all, velkoz is a long range one shot mage for a reason, the same way kassadin, ireliaz, fizz etc are never picked despite all their mobility.
      You need way more than just mobility/damage to be good. Tristana has superior sidelaning and carry. A sol and azir are scaling teamfight kings etc. Velkoz is just pure damage because his cc is so mid, thats why he wont get picked

    • @lamtran2328
      @lamtran2328 Před 27 dny +2

      Dash is not all there is, you need reliability and utility as well.
      Popular mages in pro scene always bring a lot more than just damage.

    • @FaceFish9
      @FaceFish9 Před 27 dny

      @@lamtran2328 if Velkoz had a dash he would just as reliable as Aurelion as his combo is quite literally impossible to miss if the enemy isn't someone who can go invuln or fly at mach 5 like Akali/Irelia.. both which are not currently played that much at mid...problem Velkoz has in high elo is literally that he does same job there as Aurelion. semi long range poke and a massive nuke when needed. What does Aurelion have though? ult stun if you hit it, 1-2 ult knockups per game and a slow.. but what he also has is a way to catch enemies once they start running and a way to get away, Velkoz doesnt have that.

    • @FaceFish9
      @FaceFish9 Před 27 dny

      @@ADoomain thing is, Hwei taliyah and annie all have mobility spells... they give themselves movement speed to get out dodge A Sol is just Velkoz with a dash, Azir is op cause his kit will always be good, just having the R is enough to make him viable hence he was played as a "tank" Azir for a patch already...
      Only thing you said correctly really is that mobility isn't everything but having mobility opens up so much in proplay where movement speed is literally the best stat after pure damage... think about that. stat wise people always complain how AD is op, or lethality is op. in pro play, the most cost efficient stat is movement speed.

  • @tyrecj
    @tyrecj Před 21 dnem

    EYES WITHOUT A FACE

  • @Thetrombonechamp
    @Thetrombonechamp Před 27 dny +13

    He’s basically saying it’s too high skill for competitive players

    • @FaceFish9
      @FaceFish9 Před 27 dny +26

      No. He is saying nobody is willing to put in the effort when you can pick anything with a dash and have the same one shot capability but with added mobility, so why play Vel'koz over them?

    • @lamtran2328
      @lamtran2328 Před 27 dny +3

      You’d have to do everything to guarantee that you win in the competitive landscape.
      Besides the innovative point. Why play a hero that requires more practice but offer nothing but damage ?
      For example, Lux offer about the exact same amount of wave clear + damage plus better harass that require less skills, a safe and reliable scouting tool, plus an AoE shield. Why ever pick Velkoz over Lux in any competitive situation ?

    • @jbastiaan3210
      @jbastiaan3210 Před 27 dny

      ​@@FaceFish9 these answers are the same

    • @lamtran2328
      @lamtran2328 Před 27 dny +1

      @@jbastiaan3210 Oriana and Azir have about the same amount of skill ceiling as Velkoz yet they see infinitely more competitive presence you know ?

    • @grimdeathkid
      @grimdeathkid Před 27 dny

      @@lamtran2328 Yeh, like you said there are just champs that do more.
      but another thing people never factor in compatibility with co-ordination too.
      Velkoz is incredibly weak against co-ordination, even by mage standards.
      Only one cc move, no other defensive moves.
      On 5 man voice comms with a team that's practiced together that's so much more abusable than what's actually played.

  • @atlantis29260
    @atlantis29260 Před 26 dny

    And that’s why G2 from around 2 years ago was the peak of LEC history, they were just ”fuck meta pick, we click”

  • @samsarayt9607
    @samsarayt9607 Před 27 dny +1

    Yep just like how LS drafted but still lost his job.

  • @misaki5277
    @misaki5277 Před 13 dny

    I sooo hate meta slaves, and its crazy that an off-meta pick can get you fired as a coach
    I enjoy a few off-meta picks such as tank Morgana with grasp and riftmaker top or first strike/dark harvest Seraphine.
    I am quite alright with playing any lane but one of my mains is mid, which is (imo) one of the worst ones rn :( aside from being just a support to your jungler, even if you go 20/0 on any champ its hard to carry bc a 0/5 Garen with one item will one tap you while you deal no damage to him. Not even mentioning the terrible champ meta on mid rn :/

  • @anthonyramirez1503
    @anthonyramirez1503 Před 27 dny

    Thats why i root for G2 they’re not afraid of picking according to the team and series even if it doesn’t work out in their favor

  • @alex2005z
    @alex2005z Před 26 dny

    This "you try something new and lose, you're fired" idea is wrong. IG did laneswaps last year, lost horribly, their coach didnt get kicked. They also picked nidalee and kindred (at the time of meta picks) all the time and lost. Didnt even make playoffs. Despite all that, coach didnt get kicked.
    G2 has been doing weird shit and losing all the time, yet no coach kick.
    Ultimately pros dont pick situational picks all the time because no one can play every champion. A lot of the best players have a few pocket picks and then play the meta stuff. But those pocket picks cant be played all the time.
    Also only 2 reasons for a pro to learn a champion at a high level: its either a strong meta champ that they must learn (so someone else tried it before, or they think its hidden op, not situational viable). The other option is them liking playing the champion (pros are still humans and still have their favorites)

  • @alexandermajaj5823
    @alexandermajaj5823 Před 27 dny

    Welcome to dota where meta shifts by people deciding the meta has shifted

  • @merryzzbss
    @merryzzbss Před 27 dny

    People are too used to press everything in their keyboard and win a fight