The Degreeless Information Security Career (Degrees or Certifications - That is the question!)

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  • čas přidán 13. 09. 2024

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  • @nelsonjimenez7939
    @nelsonjimenez7939 Před 5 lety +63

    Tech companies should have their own certification for HR people.

    • @deadsecstudios5969
      @deadsecstudios5969 Před 5 lety +1

      www.hrci.org/our-programs/our-certifications they have one, but i don't think is a requirement.

    • @charlesludwig8672
      @charlesludwig8672 Před 2 lety

      So regular tech certifications?

  • @barshalom4249
    @barshalom4249 Před 6 lety +46

    This was excellent and truthful. I only have a Bachelors in Engineering Technology and two certs (A+, and Security+) and I am the head Information Security Officer at a local university. What was the key? Not my degree, not even my certifications, but my IT experience. The 4-year degree and IT certs were just 'icing on the cake'. Business want to know this one thing: 'Can you do the job?' Great video. I'm going to use this to enlighten others.

    • @tmac1742
      @tmac1742 Před 6 lety

      Very nice, Barshalom! May I ask what IT experience you had prior to landing your job as the head ISO at the local university?

    • @barshalom4249
      @barshalom4249 Před 6 lety +2

      @@tmac1742 I worked previously as an IT Manager, a network administrator, and as a computer techician.

    • @tmac1742
      @tmac1742 Před 5 lety

      That is some great experience! Cheers.

    • @JerseyJeff84
      @JerseyJeff84 Před 4 lety

      @@barshalom4249 I am about halfway through Security+ at my local college. We are through 14 chapters. There are a TON of acronyms and definitions and that doesn't account for the fifteen remaining chapters in our textbook. With that said, any advice on when sitting for the cert exam? At $339 a pop, I am not trying to fail a bunch of times lol

  • @nicoleallmondjoy1255
    @nicoleallmondjoy1255 Před 4 lety +4

    Mr. Dion, Your courses help me pass my Network+ cert. On 1/10/20, I'll best testing on Security+ and before April, I'm try CYSA+. I tell you this because I love your courses & honesty. NEVER STOP HELPING US. We adore your teaching skills. Thank you for everything!!!!

  • @donalny
    @donalny Před 5 lety +15

    I got my first IT job by simply asking my A+ course instructor if he knew anyone hiring. He hooked me up with a job at his office.
    Those entry level help desk jobs under pay and drain your soul, but they are a foot in the door and let you start networking with other IT professionals

    • @PRO_LYNK
      @PRO_LYNK Před rokem

      Hello mate .. It’s been 4 years, are you still in IT .. What does the journey so far like .. Thank you in advance. …

  • @bronconfalcon
    @bronconfalcon Před 4 lety +8

    This video was incredibly insightful. I busted my butt for 6 months to get my A+, Net+, and Sec+ (without experience) only to finally get hired in IT and feel like I basically knew nothing. How was that possible? I passed my tests with flying colors. BUT, like you say Jason, that only shows you know how to pass a test. Thank you for the courses you do and thank you for the knowledge from this video.

    • @kidronreddy1671
      @kidronreddy1671 Před 4 lety

      Hi Matt any chance we can communicate thanks Bud.

    • @bronconfalcon
      @bronconfalcon Před 4 lety

      Kidron Reddy Sure thing. What’s on your mind?

    • @kidronreddy1671
      @kidronreddy1671 Před 4 lety

      @@bronconfalcon Please liaise via email kidronreddy2018@gmail.com.Truly appreciated .Thanks Bro,be safe.

  • @tueemsyhu4846
    @tueemsyhu4846 Před 6 lety +3

    I like how he explained the Who's, What's, and Why's.Very informative!

  • @riverasanchez
    @riverasanchez Před 7 lety +7

    Jason, great video and should be helpful to many. I am in the group that decided... I did not want to take all the extra classes to reach my real interest of Computer Science. So back in 1989 I dropped the credit classes and registered for non credit programming and never looked back. Sporadically when I felt I wanted to strengthen an core topic (i.e. Algebra, Technical Writing, etc) I would take a credit class or two because I decided to take them.
    I have to say I have been fortunate to have held great positions in IT, Telecom, Network Architecture and IS management positions and others including an Internet Startup and a small software Development consulting firm. But I do love and have passion for what I do, also respect others who choose the traditional higher education college route.
    Only in the last 15 months have I felt a significant college degree stigma, but by then I had already made the decision to start testing for certifications. Not that I needed them, but felt was the right shield in other to overcome the college degree road block. It has worked well.
    Certifications can have a unique value, only if one of two circumstances are true...
    - You have experience in the field you are certifying for
    - You have taken the subjects of study very seriously, meaning that you did not only study to pass the test. But you also understand how to apply the matter of study, as an expert.
    I hope this helps others. Never give up! Simply never stop learning! Learning is what pays, not the paper!

    • @riverasanchez
      @riverasanchez Před 7 lety

      Both routes are viable. Is good to stress that there is no need to be discouraged. The employer's mission is to fill a gap, if an individual has the expertise... experience is an option by all means! Thank you Jason for your input.

  • @pdavis647
    @pdavis647 Před 4 lety +1

    This makes a lot of practical sense.

  • @tjay_79
    @tjay_79 Před 5 lety +40

    I was shocked to know that even USA has this rubbish academic system. This academic system without practicals is prevalent in India...

    • @lu-dx6oh
      @lu-dx6oh Před 4 lety +4

      If you think this system is bad , its worse for lawyers and doctors. If you want to be a doctor in the US
      First you get into a 4 year college and get any degree with any major although biology or anatomy and physiology are preferred
      Second you get into medical school 4 more years of schooling and clinicals the last 2 years
      Third 3-5 years of residency where you specialize aka postgrad
      4th Licensing / board certification , you take your states medical certification test , Yes after all this work you have can only practice medicine in the state exam you pass. So if your a doctor and you want to move to another state be prepared to study and get re certified in another state

  • @MrSpawn069
    @MrSpawn069 Před 6 lety +3

    Hi Jason, thanks so much for the very informative video on Cyber Security Qualifications/Career advice. Much appreciated!

    • @kidronreddy1671
      @kidronreddy1671 Před 4 lety

      Hi Sean any chance we can communicate Dankie my Maat.

  • @krztix
    @krztix Před 6 lety +21

    so companies rather hire nobody than someone who is less qualified than their expectations?? Look at the cybersecurity job shortage. i'd rather have some security than none lol there you go hackers

  • @RicondaRacing
    @RicondaRacing Před 4 lety +3

    I've been studying for the Network+ but I want to get into cybersecurity. I have 4 years of helpdesk and light desktop support 13 years ago and want back in the industry, but not at a helpdesk. Should I stop studying Network+ and start on that CompTia Cysa+ or finish with the Network+ first?

  • @fng007
    @fng007 Před 6 lety +2

    Just found this. Great vid bro. Self taught hacker and prior military here. Massive experience in tech. HR sucks ass these days. no degree no certs outside of what I got while in and some company specific training. Working on the hustle myself these days. I've got nothing against certs or degrees just hate that its barrier for entry from a pencil pusher. Is what it is though. Awesome job on all your credentials though. Certs + xp+ degree(s)==tirfecta.

    • @thered1493
      @thered1493 Před 5 lety +1

      Hi Lloyd,
      I'm planning on going the same way too but I have no clue where to start, I was thinking of a diploma/ 2 year degree because I can't do the 4 year one, and then someone said Comptia + certs are what's important and even more important than degrees. so I was thinking of skipping the degree and just studying for a few certs but then I came across this video.
      I have no problem with self studying at all, but I have no idea where to start or what to do!
      I just need a roadmap or some steps to follow (what languages to study, where to begin, how to learn best..etc)
      I actually thought of the certs/degrees in the first place because I thought these would give me a roadmap, and then I saw they had "psychology" classes and stuff...uhh what?
      I graduated from non-tech college and work in a non-tech field so it's a big shift and my current exp won't count in an IT resume

    • @thaksanaketheswaran5082
      @thaksanaketheswaran5082 Před 4 lety +1

      how did you teach your self to become a self-taught hacker?

    • @fng007
      @fng007 Před 4 lety +1

      @@thaksanaketheswaran5082 honestly, I learned by doing. Broke a lot of things in the beginning. These days there are so many free resources and you can set up a "virtual lab" in under an hour to tinker with. If I had it to do over that's where I'd start. Make a lab, break it, and fix it. Experience is the best teacher and this way you have far less chance of permabricking your tech 😂

  • @tedros7629
    @tedros7629 Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you! That was really helpful!
    Thank you for your honest advices.

  • @adiotic_gaming1642
    @adiotic_gaming1642 Před 3 lety +1

    is there any possible ways to get into a cyber security jobs . without getting any degrees and certificates but have more knowladge skills and experiences.

  • @sechvnnull1524
    @sechvnnull1524 Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you so much sir!!! God bless!!

  • @xaviersoule7103
    @xaviersoule7103 Před 6 lety +1

    Very helpful. I have notifed in the application of a cyber security job the entry level job disctrption ask for 1 to 2 years of experience. They are asking for a lot.

    • @9mmisahighcaliberround546
      @9mmisahighcaliberround546 Před 4 lety

      Xavier Soule 1-2 years of experience for cyber security is not a lot. If you have no experience at all you should get some before applying to cyber security positions

  • @davei2938
    @davei2938 Před 3 lety +1

    Love it

  • @chadnasir6387
    @chadnasir6387 Před 5 lety +1

    Thank you for your honesty

  • @TheExaltedHerobrine
    @TheExaltedHerobrine Před 2 lety +1

    If general education classes were removed, then a degree should only take 2 years to 3 years.

    • @DionTraining
      @DionTraining  Před 2 lety +1

      Agreed, this is why technical degrees shouldn't necessarily be tied to college degrees and go back to a more "technical" path like a plumber or electician does in trade school.

  • @Ministermike-m9j
    @Ministermike-m9j Před 7 lety +1

    I love this video!!! this really helps me out, cause i was pancing cause i didnt know what to do. but you helped out.

  • @nicoleallmondjoy1255
    @nicoleallmondjoy1255 Před 4 lety +5

    I have my Master in Cybersecurity & 4 certifications and I still feel insecure.

    • @kwasiacheampong3879
      @kwasiacheampong3879 Před 4 lety

      why

    • @nicoleallmondjoy1255
      @nicoleallmondjoy1255 Před 4 lety

      @@kwasiacheampong3879 I have the tools but haven't been able to apply them effectively and efficiently yet. Class of 2020

    • @kwasiacheampong3879
      @kwasiacheampong3879 Před 4 lety

      I feel the same

    • @georgelopez718
      @georgelopez718 Před 4 lety

      @@nicoleallmondjoy1255 With all those qualifications is it hard for you finding a job? I was going to school for Cybersecurity as well.

    • @nicoleallmondjoy1255
      @nicoleallmondjoy1255 Před 4 lety

      @@georgelopez718 jobs are out there. I just feel insecure. Like all newbies, I feel insecure.

  • @cemen777
    @cemen777 Před 6 lety +1

    Jason, thank you for the great video. You nailed it!
    All over the internet we read about huge shortage of cybersec personal. Sign me up! . However it is very hard to find a job unless you are already in the field with years of experience and many certs. Yes, HR is poorly trained. Even Hiring Management is a hit or miss. I ve been interviewed for a Network Tech position years ago. During interview I showed to hiring manager my CompTIA Network+ cert. She had no clue such cert existed. Funny. Long story short it does not important how good you are but who you know! Be in the right place in the right time.
    I have BS in Computer Information Systems, CompTIA Network+ and Security+, Desktop Support experience for many years and can not find even entry level job in IT Security. I need CISSP no doubt.

  • @Kuweiyo
    @Kuweiyo Před 4 lety +1

    Bruh, I have never seen a job posting that didn’t require a bachelors degree and 5 years of experience.

  • @williamgupton8770
    @williamgupton8770 Před 6 lety +1

    Thanks this help alot..about how to go about my way of getting there

  • @thered1493
    @thered1493 Před 5 lety +4

    I'm a graduate from a non-tech college and currently working in a non-tech field. I have no clue where to start, I was thinking of a diploma/ 2 year degree because I can't do the 4 year one, and then someone said certs are what's important and even more important than degrees. so I was thinking of skipping the degree and just studying for a few certs and throw a 100 resumes around until someone calls back.
    I have no problem with self studying at all, but I have no idea where to start or what to do!
    I just need a roadmap or some steps to follow (what languages to study, where to begin, how to learn best..etc)
    I actually thought of the degree in the first place because I thought it would give me a roadmap, and then I saw it had "psychology" classes and stuff...uhh what?
    I work in a non-tech field so it's a big shift and my current exp won't count in an IT resume

    • @YoungDen
      @YoungDen Před 5 lety +1

      Look at Network+ for your first cert which will tech you all the protocols and OSI model

    • @thered1493
      @thered1493 Před 5 lety

      @@YoungDen Thank you! I can't believe this was only 3 days ago, because I did find a roadmap finally! I was just about to start with A+ then move on to Network+ and security+ but people said the new version of these certs is coming out and I should wait.
      will the Network+ change in July as well?

    • @Tee-e4i
      @Tee-e4i Před 4 lety

      @@thered1493 my man did you get your A plus now? i want a yes please ?

    • @thered1493
      @thered1493 Před 4 lety

      @@Tee-e4i I gave up half way through....I got too much into my own head. I didn't believe enough and let invisible pressure get the best of me

    • @Tee-e4i
      @Tee-e4i Před 4 lety

      @@thered1493 what are you doing now? If not IT which I think you'd love and enjoy? I got my CCNA this October on the 31st and planning to get my A plus before this year end, planing to get my cyber CompTIA plus before June next year. So what did you do this year The best nothing letting fear define who you not?

  • @Default654
    @Default654 Před 4 lety

    Thank you a lot for making this video!!! The most helpful in whole year for me

  • @nafishasnian1367
    @nafishasnian1367 Před 7 lety +1

    It seems like all the certs are networking based and higher level certs are based on management. I am building Web Applications(Mainly Backend) with NodeJS and Python Django. I have built internal tools for companies and large scale applications. I am also managing cloud services like AWS and Azure.From scaling to making VPCs. But i like auditing vulnerabilities in the infrastructure(Software Level). I have no experience in Networking and configuring routers. Are there positions in InfoSec where they require software development skills for building tools or finding vulnerabilities? Bug Bounty is not a sustainable source of income and doesn't excite me all the time

  • @invaderop2037
    @invaderop2037 Před 4 lety +1

    If i do diploma in IT And then i do certification for cybersecurity can i get a good package job

  • @5000marcellus
    @5000marcellus Před 6 lety +2

    What Cert do you feel is the most valuable today? And why?

  • @HouseJunk1e
    @HouseJunk1e Před 5 lety +2

    Just FYI - think of this....if you apply to a job that a person with a degree/cert applies to, who do you REALLY think is going to get the job....I rest my case :)

    • @myoung2484
      @myoung2484 Před 5 lety +1

      I really wish that was the case. If it was, with my degree and Sec+ Cert, I would be in the IT sector, but I am not, still on the outside looking in, currently working tech support for an application with a major insurance company. Before that, it was working tech support for a major telecommunications company, tinkering and configuring with modems/router combination equipment, and then later, router only equipment. However, I am not deterred, I will keep chipping away, working on some of the concepts and tools these employers want, so I can get in. The problem is not only with the HR folks, but education as well, as Jason mentions. They only teach foundations, not what employers are looking for, and that is a huge problem.

    • @blehmeh8909
      @blehmeh8909 Před 5 lety +1

      N N the person with more skill

  • @jeromejohnson2976
    @jeromejohnson2976 Před 4 lety +1

    This is a great video. I'm almost done with an online BA program in cyber security and information systems. I've been recently wondering how am I going to get a drop with no experience. is it worth obtaining an online degree in information systems/cyber security? I'm assuming that I will probably have to start off in a help desk position.

    • @9mmisahighcaliberround546
      @9mmisahighcaliberround546 Před 4 lety

      JEROME JOHNSON Chances are you are going to have to start at help desk or if you get lucky a systems administrator. Security is all about experience. Most of those guys have 10+ years.

  • @marc_gomes2556
    @marc_gomes2556 Před 5 lety +4

    Hi. I'm looking for an online cyber security associates degree. I'm active duty military. It is a requirement to become an officer. What colleges do you recommend?.
    Thank you.

    • @ONpopularTopics
      @ONpopularTopics Před 5 lety +2

      Western Governors University... Very good school.

    • @Tee-e4i
      @Tee-e4i Před 4 lety +1

      Check edx i saw one and no requirements to enroll

  • @amanthapliyal2072
    @amanthapliyal2072 Před 3 lety +1

    Degree is to make your family believe you that you are doing something in your life tbh

  • @OmarMohamed-ub7tp
    @OmarMohamed-ub7tp Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks bro really helpfull

  • @silviomhula5837
    @silviomhula5837 Před 5 lety

    Very Clear Message

  • @neetea2
    @neetea2 Před 6 lety +3

    Sir what bootcamp would you recommend for someone in houston im about to pass my a plus and plan to study network next

    • @teerich2011
      @teerich2011 Před 4 lety

      I'm in Houston too. How'd that work out?

  • @justaddfire4418
    @justaddfire4418 Před 6 lety +3

    All of the job listings I see require a degree in IT plus certs and prefer even higher level of education such as a Master's degree. I see all these videos about getting IT jobs without degrees or even without certifications but what the hell are they talking about?
    Maybe 15-20 years ago this was possible but I doubt it these days. Every job listing states it requires substantial experience directly related to the job and/or certifications and degrees.

    • @williamgupton8770
      @williamgupton8770 Před 6 lety

      Fam thats alot

    • @marcellowheeler88
      @marcellowheeler88 Před 5 lety

      Maybe on the commercial side. Most DoD jobs in the IT field want certs and experience. One of the few fields you can get a 70k+ Job with experience and a few certs lol

  • @leecastro2923
    @leecastro2923 Před 4 lety +1

    I have a BS in Computer Information Systems and a MBA degree . I want to get into cyber security , should I get a Masters in Cyber Security or focus on getting certifications being that I already have 2 degrees? Thank you in advance

    • @bluetech7128
      @bluetech7128 Před 4 lety +2

      get certs. you don't need any masters anymore. focus on certs and experience and apply to entry level cybersecurity jobs

    • @TMartins379
      @TMartins379 Před 2 lety

      Certs. You have more than enough education.

  • @baha2005555555
    @baha2005555555 Před 6 lety +1

    nice, but why would you look for job if you already have a business that is going well!

    • @donalny
      @donalny Před 5 lety +1

      Stability and health insurance.

  • @mrhunterf2869
    @mrhunterf2869 Před 5 lety +1

    Fantastic mate, love this video.
    Gives me hope!

  • @ivanbaez3606
    @ivanbaez3606 Před 6 lety

    Hey where is the college are you teach i want to learn comptia A+, what happening the doctor found my I have problem with my heart and i want to change a career! Please if you can help im going to be very great full. Thanks

  • @ambsunusi4131
    @ambsunusi4131 Před 4 lety

    Good I like this

  • @deadsecstudios5969
    @deadsecstudios5969 Před 7 lety

    wich tools you use for pentest?

  • @joelogbechie2049
    @joelogbechie2049 Před 7 lety

    I like this

  • @nafishasnian1367
    @nafishasnian1367 Před 7 lety +2

    It seems like all the certs are networking based and higher level certs are based on management. I am building Web Applications(Mainly Backend) with NodeJS and Python Django. I believe i am good with NoSQL databases and i have built database servers before. I have built internal tools for companies and large scale applications. I am also managing cloud services like AWS and Azure.From scaling to making VPCs. But i like auditing vulnerabilities in the infrastructure(Software Level). I have no experience in Networking and configuring routers. Are there positions in InfoSec where they require software development skills for building tools or finding vulnerabilities? Bug Bounty is not a sustainable source of income and doesn't excite me all the time

    • @nafishasnian1367
      @nafishasnian1367 Před 7 lety

      Thanks for the answer. How is the market for Vulnerability Management side of the industry ? Because i can barely find any security (dev related)
      job posting

  • @Boitshepo459
    @Boitshepo459 Před 6 lety

    Great and useful

  • @ngrobert5054
    @ngrobert5054 Před 5 lety +1

    is true I have a Bachelor Degree Computer Science and Master Computer Engineering diffuclt to land a job even certification , It still see by EMPLOYER HR EXPEREINCEEEEEEEEEE

    • @ngrobert5054
      @ngrobert5054 Před 5 lety

      Thanks Prof Dr Jason Dion, for the best advices

    • @ngrobert5054
      @ngrobert5054 Před 5 lety

      Brother and Sister I am newbie any suggestion Research paper Cybersecurity Proof IoT

  • @wearegettingdumber...2263

    College teaches you what to think, not how to think...

  • @LK-pc4sq
    @LK-pc4sq Před 7 lety

    Jason, contact me. My dear friend who I have known since childhood married her navy husband. He has his PHd and is a retired cryptologist from the Navy and a collage instructor near Seattle. He might provide input.

  • @atdepth
    @atdepth Před 5 lety +1

    yeah you know general education, which benefit humans and help them be well-rounded human beings, just concentrating on only the technical produces robotic slaves.

    • @reagancapwell685
      @reagancapwell685 Před 5 lety

      Who decides what's taught in the general education curriculum. We all know for years so called liberal education or general education made people very eurocentric and allowed them to look down on the rest of the world. Plus if general education is for everybody then it has no place in Uni unless you think everyone should go to Uni. General education or humanist education should be left to compulsory education(k-12). As for college people should get their moneys worth. Those who are there for interest can do what they like those who are there for career progress should get very technical work cause they are paying for that.

    • @atdepth
      @atdepth Před 5 lety

      @@reagancapwell685 Are you kidding me. Foundational science, humanities, liberal arts, are what help make a well rounded individual. If you are studying to be a scientist, you need to understand the humanities and liberal arts in order to be see a bigger picture, the same is true for a person studying liberal arts. This helps construct people who don't live in a bubble and see the interconnectedness of everything. I agree this needs to be true in secondary education, and I am lucky it was for me, but for anyone pursues higher education this needs to be true as well. Go back and read that which you wrote and you should see YOU are the one looking down on others and being smug, prejudiced against those with a broader perspective. Thank you for making my point, but I really don't need your support. It is a shame people are seeing robust, well rounded education in such a way as you.

    • @36424567254
      @36424567254 Před 5 lety +1

      @@atdepth i completely agree. If all you care about is getting a job asap and spending as little as possible, a couple certs are probably better, but personally I value my degree a lot. I think it made me a better person.

  • @bavan1358
    @bavan1358 Před 4 lety +1

    Use me as a like button if u r here after getting exhausted from those stupid degree courses

  • @House_Of_Cards_
    @House_Of_Cards_ Před 5 lety +2

    I don't see anywhere a sign that says "not women allowed". Maybe the fact there are so few women in STEM and IT is because, wait for this novel concept, they are not interested in the subject?
    You dont get an interview without experience, you dont get experience as an outsider noob without a college degree.
    Good luck trying to find a job in the field with only a couple of certifications. I am A+, N+ and MCP certified and was never able to find a job even as a helpdesk supporter. IT is a horseshit field.

    • @Tee-e4i
      @Tee-e4i Před 4 lety +3

      i can tell its your attitude that is costing you

    • @DK-ki2fh
      @DK-ki2fh Před 4 lety +1

      @@Tee-e4i So true. lmao