Are we Body, Soul, and Spirit? Or just 2? Here's Why it Matters!
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- čas přidán 4. 09. 2024
- How many parts does man have? Body, soul, and spirit? Or do we simply have a bodily and a spiritual part? In this video, we take a closer look at how the Bible uses these terms and what difference it makes.
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what can you say about these verses?
1 Cor 2:14 The natural (soulish in greek) person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Cor. 14 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.
So this verses show that one can have a relationship the word in the mind (soul) but not with our spirit ... and here the distinction is no emphasis, it's plainly stated that you can praise in spirit but not having the sould engaged... it's not that simple of a subject.
What can you say about this?
I think the Bible does teach we are body, soul and spirit, but soul and spirit can be very much overlaped and should If the Lord is actually in our spirit (2 Tim. 4:22) and we want to let Him do His work in our minds, emotions and will. So the spirit uses the soul to express Christ. Then our spirit can be contrited, rejoice, be troubled.
Agreed that soul and spirit are so similar or related but the point is that, can be separated. Not the same "you yourselve said it" things that are very much alike, but not entirely the same.
I understand that we are born again in our spirit, Christ is in our Spirit, and that is our inner man (but the inner man is hidden in our heart) ... you can't really say thery are separeted but seems to be a disctinction
Just to expand conversation...
Lekker Pastoor Riaan! Great to see you posting again!
In Luke 1:46-47 I understand the modern interpretation of the interchangeability of the words soul and spirit; however the words in the original text as well. So I believe it is safe to assume the first line of Christian’s whom wrote the Greek manuscripts understood that the soul and spirit are different. They use the words Psyche(mind/spirit) and Pneuma(soul)
Hebrews 4:12 King James Version (KJV)
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Great video, but I hope the discussion can be opened because the argument from the other side is quite strong. Of course you do not have unlimited time to read the references I would recommend, but would you be open to hearing the other side?
Hey David.
Yes sure. You are welcome to share the references.
I’m also thinking of doing a video on what it means that we are created in the image of God, since this topic is often tied to that one as well
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Body, Soul (Mind), and Spirit (Nous). Soul and Spirit remain after death is what I've always been taught.
Interesting video. Thank you.
God created man (Body) from the dust of the ground and breathed into him the breath of life (Spirit) and man became a living (Soul)
Spirit should have control over soul and body but since the fall, soul has control since our spirit is dead in sin
Good book to read is 'The Spiritual Man by Watchman Nee'
One thing about the heart that I understand is that, the heart an aspect of the mind, since the mind is a part of our soul. For example... A scripture in Proverbs says whatever a man thinketh in his heart so is he. You right when say Jesus Christ was teaching us that we must love God with everything we have. So when we read, we must read the Biblical Text completely, for full understanding.
Well, here is a book written by a saint on the subject - “Spirit, Soul, Body” by Saint Luke of Simferopol (or Crimea). You can find it online.
Thank you. Very helpful and easy to understand
But with respect to how God created us, we’re actually all the same. The Bible tells us in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 that we were all created with three parts-a spirit, a soul, and a body:
“And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”But with respect to how God created us, we’re actually all the same. The Bible tells us in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 that we were all created with three parts-a spirit, a soul, and a body:
In my case 3. Overall though- as ONE.
3 Parts. I think that your Soul is your entire essence; ‘You are a living Soul or Being.’
- Mind (conscious and autonomous/unconscious), Body and Spirit. Assuming that we have a spirit that carries us on to an afterlife.
I still don't get it why this matters. "To avoid confusion" is not it for me. What are the consequences of thinking it's 3 instead of 2 or vice-versa? I wish you gave some examples of a theological idea built on top of this concept, and why it's important to really understand the difference
Hi Mateus.
First, let me say that not everyone who holds a trichotomist view have weird ideas. But here are some I’ve heard from false teachers:
1. Your “spirit” is of the same “stuff” as God, since God is Spirit. Therefore you have deity inside of you.
2. Your spirit as a Christian has the ability to influence your body. If you are sick, your soul can “tap” into your spirit and access resurrection power to be healed. Therefore, the only reason why you are sick is because you don’t know how to access the resources of your spirit.
3. When you are saved, your “spirit” becomes the “Spirit of Christ.” So the Holy Spirit and your spirit is now one.
All of these are heretical, but just by knowing the Bible uses the terms interchangeably protects someone from views like these.
I hope this is helpful?
@BooksOfTheWise 1 and 2 are absurd. Number 3, in terms of being one spirit with the Spirit of God is Biblically correct. In the Bible, a man and wife join together to become one flesh. Yet 1 Corinthians 6:17 show us that we are joined to the Lord and become one spirit. Not one flesh, not one soul, but one spirit.
Furthermore 1 Corinthians 3:16 shows us that we are the temple of God and the Spirit of God dwells in us.
Romans 8:16 shows that the Spirit witnesses with our spirit.
Romans 8:11 also shows the Spirit dwells in us.
Put them all together, we become one spirit with the Spirit that dwells in us.
If I'm not misunderstanding your presentation of #3. To deny that we have a spirit and that spirit become one with the Spirit of God, who dwells in us, is to remove the unique distinction of the Christian faith from every other religion. This is literally why Jesus Himself said true worship is in spirit. Without this relationship in the spirit, there is no need for Jesus to come and die because He came and died to release the Spirit that indwells us. If God just wanted to declare new laws, he would have written another scroll on a mountain and tossed it out to a prophet. God doesn't act without purpose or wontonly.
It matters to know that we are body, soul, and spirit because I believe Hebrews show that their is a distinction of the soul from the spirit. The soul cannot defeat the enemy, the Spirit can. In Romans 7, the will to do good is in our soul, but the law of sin over powers it. In Romans 8, the law of the Spirit in our spirit rescues us from the law of sin and death. Also, it is in our spirit that the Spirt witness that we are Children of God. Furthermore God is 3 in 1 and so is man. We are God's image afterral. If you look at it mathematically, the part of God that intersects with man, is the Spirit. So Father, Son, and Spirit for God and body, soul, and spirit for man. Being saved is not just a matter of feeling good, it is a matter of this relationship in spirit and the change that has occurred there. We are children of God because of the relationship in the spirit. If that wasn't the case, then to be a Christian will just be another religion where you're using your best abilities to keep rules and laws.
There is more to this why...but it will take alot of time to expound on it.
What’s the difference between soul and mind?
Soul = mind + emotions + your will = your psychological being
I have wondered about this as I've listened to theologians and philosophers talk about scripture. Which view is correct, the two or three part? But I have come to believe that the passages that describe these components are typically aimed at emphasizing the whole person must be devoted to God. I think they probably adjusted the way this wholeness was expressed based on the audience that was hearing them. An old testament version of the Shema is addressing a Mosaic generation that was influenced by Egyptian thought. Jesus' account of the greatest commandment is coming at a time where a lot of Judea was influenced by Greek and Roman culture. I agree a dichotomous view seems more consistently defendable. And even studying the Greek words soma, pneuma, sarx, nous etc doesn't reveal a consistent use of 3-part or 2-part humanity.
For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. For who among people knows the thoughts of a person except the spirit of the person that is in him? So also the thoughts of God no one knows, except the Spirit of God.
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 2
“These things I have spoken to you while remaining with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and remind you of all that I said to you.
-excerpt John 14 -words of Jesus
Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus also was baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came from heaven: “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well pleased.”
-excerpt Luke 3
Way strawman of the trichotomous view. I was interested to see what you have to say, but you assumptions on the trichotomous view are extremely wrong, and this leads to all your conclusions also being wrong. I don't mean to be unduly critical, but the trichomous view is usually taught in a simplified format. If one is interested in nuance, one has to explore the matter much more deeply. I have my own studies on the matter that I am willing to share. (Though my study on the spirit is still a work in progress, and in my study on the soul I do not particularly delve into the cartesian model.)
I guess my big issues with the two-fold model (some of which also applies to the monistic model) are
1. They do not give proper exposition on the differentiations in 1 Thess 5 and Heb 4. Neither did yours btw.
2. They are by and large based on sympathetic parallelism in the Psalms and Proverbs between soul and spirit, which no one denies. They however ignore the use of parallelism juxtaposing and associating soul and body, our spirit and body, or heart and soul, or heart and mind. Why does the use of parallelism mean 'much of a muchness" in one context, and then suddenly in all these other contexts it does not mean that the faculties are the same, just that they are related?
3. Why does the Bible's use of language applied to soul, spirit, and the other faculties such as heart and mind remain so very consistent and different from one another? Why would the Bible waste words, and why would our common everyday language waste words if everything is just the same?
4. Yes there are degrees of overlap between soul and spirit. As are there between soul and body - they are both conscious. As are there between heart and mind and every faculty between them. If one throws them into a common soup of figurative language, so much of the Bible just stands to lose meaning.
This is much worse irt to the monistic / integrationalist model, but the dualistic model does not fare much better. Your definitions of soul, spirit and body could also all do with some significant tweaking and correction.
Thank you for the thought provoking comment. I really value comments like these.
How would you define each part under the trichotomist view? I would love to not “straw-man” anyone’s view.
There 2 substances. Matter and spirit. Soul arises from the incarnation of spirit as an epiphenomenon. Think about glossolalia in 1 Cor. 14
1, just one part.
Hey studentDad.
Do you believe the Bible is authoritative and inspired? If so, have you considered Matthew 10:28 and Revelation 6:9-10?
@@BooksOfTheWise The idea of a soul seperate from the body is not really a Biblical idea. The Bible is not a univocal book and it depends what you mean by divinely inspired. If you are going to believe that you have to believe God is ok with the enslavement of people as property and the stoning to death of Children.
I am going to blow your minds here, but I am a monist. I think we are beings, or individuals. How the individual is expressed is materially or spiritually or intellectually. We encounter the other in a variety of ways however this encounter is unified by one's identity. In the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the author states that I am one seeing myself divided. And of course the authors of this text finds that the individual is made up of MANY parts or bodies. I would argue that when scripture talks about soul and body and spirit it is talking about these expressions as well as expressed IN the embedded cultural and philosophical trends of the time. But hermeneutically we should look past these cultural biases towards what God is doing through them NOT what the individual necessarily thinks about what God is doing through them.
Hi mountbrocken.
Thanks for the comment!
I think texts like Matthew 10:28 as well as Revelation 6:9-11 clearly shows there are at least two parts of man - body and soul / spirit. Have you considered these texts?
@@BooksOfTheWise yes I have but would argue these passage are are modes of the same being.
Sadly you are wrong.
It’s clearly 3 throughout the Bible.