450 Hp 1930 Fairbanks Morse Diesel Engine Startup
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- 450 Hp 1930 Fairbanks Morse 2 stroke Diesel engine. This is our Fairbanks Morse 6 cylinder engine running; you can see the smoke rings. This engine was attached to a generator to make electricity for a sawmill in Orleans, CA. The exhaust was originally piped underground for sound and fumes control. It has 450 HP @ 300 RPM and weights 70,000 lbs. It was delivered to the ranch when the museum was only an idea in 1993. It took 3 forklifts and a hay squeeze to lift it, the truck drove away, and the cribbing was removed from the trailer and placed on the ground under the engine which was then lowered into place. Later the cement blocks were poured. A roof was added and even later canvas curtains for the sides to protect this wonderful example of POWER in early America from the elements. For more information on this wonderful museum please go to penngrovepower....
I wrote this to answer some of the many comments I have got on this Fairbanks Morse 6 cly video. I am just a retired guy that likes old engines and has always been a fan of large stationary motors. If you take a moment to read this I think many of your questions will be answered. I had fun making the video and had no idea of the views it would generate.
The 70,000 pound weight of the engine came from the museum, where it is kept. They had it trucked in several years ago and I would assume they would have a good estimate on its weight from the trucker.
Many people mentioned how quite it was when running and it was quite. I would think if it had a load on it though it would have been much louder.
I got the HP and RPM from the museum web page (see above). I can only assume that they know the output of the engine. The RPM is easy. That said if you go to: wentec.com/unip... and put in those numbers you come up with a whopping 94,537 foot pounds of torque!
More modern 2 stroke diesel engines use a blower to push out the exhaust and replace the cylinder with fresh air. This engine uses a closed crankcase with a one way valve to create air pressure to flush the cylinder. It is a very similar system to your 2 stroke weed eater. Here is a link to a cut away of the motor with a picture of how it works:
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These are great engines and they can last an incredibly long time because of their low RPM and mass. But by modern standards they are very dirty (air pollution) to run. Two stroke engines like this one that are naturally scavenged exhaust un-burnt fuel to the atmosphere. Their efficiency (hp/fuel burnt) is well below modern standards. All that said, I love them for their size and simplicity, the lack of black boxes and other things that can't be fixed with a large wrench and a bigger hammer.
My name is G. Huffman and when I was a kid there were two of them running day and night at that mill. My uncle Tom Huffman was the machinist there. The two of them were in a big steel building with the machine shop and lathes and tools inside. I of course remember them being a lot bigger. I heard that they were shipped to the Filipines. The mufflers were in the ground, concrete boxes with steel plates over them and you could hear them booming all around the valley. I do know they were rebuilt a few times because I saw the pistons and other parts around on the floor. In a back room were two other generators as emergency standby , one was a big horizontal single diesel I don't remember what the other one was.
That would have been 55 to 60 years ago. Brings back memories.
Great info. Thanks for the thoughtful comment. I love the history.
This giant 2 stroke probably makes 60 psi of boost in the crankcase alone. when that giant piston comes back down after the high reed valve closes lots of pressure.
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The fact that this beast was designed, cast & assembled more than 90 years ago, still fully functional should be a matter of pride. All this was done without computers& all the modern factory robotics, just human labor.
I could listen to this all day.
It makes the same power like a turboed OM606 Mercedes 3.0 diesel lol. Which slightly less rpms :)
I bet that if this beast matches the rpm put out by the om606, that tiny engine would cry from such a difference in hp. With such low rpm having it only reaching 300hp values means that its got to have an ungodly amount of torque.
@@kimpatz2189 Low rpm is no virtue by itself. But it does help on longevity.
Perfect to fall asleep to! I would've never thought a mechanical sound could be as relaxing as oceanside breeze & tide 😴💕
What well-chosen words for your assessment of turn-of-1900 machinery. Cars, tractors, engines, even typewriters & IBM collating machines (mechanical versions of the computer) were solid & long-lasting. Makes you re-think what modern "progress" really is when you look at today's overpriced, poorly made, short-lived junk
Thank You for contributing!
@@dingdong2103 Low RPM (coupled with high torque) need only be increased with gears. 100 RPM was typical max propeller speed for large ships of the time. So, this 70,000 lb. behemoth could easily move an oceanliner. Step that up to 200 RPM (1:2 gear ratio) and wow-wee! Double the nauts! :)
As a mechanic that started an apprenticeship in the mid 70s, I am only now starting to appreciate the history behind what I do for a living.
Yes, You offer a great trade that unfortunately so many people have no clue how to turn a wrench or work with their hands and fix something. As I'm writing this I have a person asking me about changing out a fuel pump on his truck.
Was it plumbed into a 5000 gallon 2 stroke oil filled tank out back somewhere? What brand of 2 stroke oil does she burn during these demos?
I hear you. I just started a job working with a 30 year small engine necanic. The snow engine in rollag blew his mind....
Later did similar exploring that an ajax is little more than a chainsaw engine on a massive scale, haven't even touched on detroits or hit and miss or hot bulb.
@@jesseamaya4413 Ift thats a small 2 sretoke i hate to see a big one, unless yoy tinker with a wartsilla 1085000 hp 2 stroke. Only lightning is a bigger badder 2 stroke!
The old low speed diesels 2 and 4 stroke,
have the most wonderful
Sound.
Wonderful engine by an amazing company, I worked at a sewage pumping station in Canada and we had a number of FM pumps driven by opposed piston two stroke diesels. The largest was a 10 cylinder (20 pistons) rated at 750 hp at 700rp
This is wonderful. From the era this is from , this was an amazing machine. It could be left to run almost indefinitely without damage
even tho with the short stack straight pipe exhaust it makes such a gentle sounds , rather a calming sounds if one asks me, i could listen to that day and night and fall asleep to that sound
Perfect to fall asleep to! I would've never thought a mechanical sound could be as relaxing as oceanside breeze & tide 😴💕
😳 By far the largest Fairbanks-Morse engine I've ever seen on recording
I would love to hear one under full load rather than the usual demo under no load
Very impressive on how quiet it is! That would be able to power several neighborhoods!
these are bomb proof 2 strokes not high revving throwaway 4 strokes of today.
only true people watch this in the middle of the night instead of doing homework
Uno Steinwall I have to be at work in 20 mins. I haven’t slept yet
I am on my30 minute break
A true person, as opposed to what? A mannequin?
Dang right. This is real education
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I love watching old massive engines start up with all the moving parts! Especially the centrifuge governor! I'm pretty sure that's where the term "balls out" came from!
Damn this thing is smooth... and quiet. Truly impressed with the refinement.. Definitely will outlast us all
Yep but it was set up for show. It was running on compressed air. Bro had the thin plexiglas window on a crank case port and a can of WD40 at the ready. I was disappointed it wasn't really a powered run.
@@MetallicMedium it wasn't running on compressed air. Compressed air is the most common way of starting two stroke diesel engines. And the plexie glass window was on the crankcase, which doesn't have a lot of pressure in it aside from a little blow by from the pistons
That engine looks to be one that would have been made in 1900 or 1910
That thing is bullet proff and later torbo models made a lot of power at just 300 rpm's, Today we got the Cooper bessemer w300 10800 or more hp 2 stroke crankcase scavenedd v-16 natural gas ported 2 stroke, i think its a 10 port engine, beyond what you get in your detroi, optimax or rotax 850 etec today.
That exhaust clears up and is over 1400 deg f as this type of 2 stroke makes a lot of heat, the jacket water could be used as a heating a lot of water as a crankcase scavenged 2 stroke can make a lot of heat.
Thanks to all people who work on these projects and save history.
Life at 300 rpm suits me just fine! Thank you for a wonderful video.
Todays Cooper Bessemer v-16 z-330 2 strokes make like 10,800 hp at only 330 to 515 rom's! The model 32 FB is amzing some had turboes in powerplants.
How my late uncle raved about that 400hp Fairbanks Engine he used to maintain.
That is one beautiful work of art I'm pretty dang sure it'll be running 100 years from now👍
Beautiful engine designed by Old school engineers without electronics, computers 3d printers etc.
Simple reliable ,and with an endurance that would put modern engines to shame.
love the sound of the fairbanks,,,, i can listen to it run all day long
Love the sound of that engine. Saw a 4 cylinder Fairbanks Morse at Pottsville museum near Grants Pass. Great sound, too.
Its nice to see a big Fairbanks Morse in good condition and set up so it does not smoke, blue, black or otherwise!
Thanks for the video & taking the time to explain the engine in the text. Being a Detroit diesel mechanic from the 2 stroke days I figured it was 2 stroke due to no valve gear & the pulse of the crankcase window but had never seen a reed engine.
Was a GM 671 mechanic in another life myself. Thanks for the comments
George
@@georgehomenko5358 I have a mobile repair business in Idaho & still get to work on the occasional Driptroit engine for farmers & there is still one 16V-149 Series engine in a crusher that I go over once a year. Just between you & me I'd pay them for the pleasure of being able to work on that one. ;-) Shared to NZHRM Forum.
I love the sound of these old work horses ! Thanks for sharing ! 👍👍
What a beautiful piece of machinery. I'm lucky to live in an area where engines like this are still displayed several times a year. I used to drive an hour or so to see them run; but sadly , I have difficulty driving for more than a half hour or so now.
I love watching these videos, and that engine for how big it was was incredibly quiet.
It wasn't under load, even if running at full speed it wasn't producing any torque, hence hardly any fuel burn and hardly any pressure when the exhaust port opened. I'd imagine it would be a good bit louder if loaded up.
@@quillmaurer6563 I’m also guessing that it’s louder in person
It’s New Year’s Eve 2023 and I’m watching this. What kind of social reject am I?
Sound of the startup is just incredible.....loved it
Blows perfect circles..
yes when it's starting up it sounds like a 3 cylinder steam engine pulling away with the double acting cylinders producing 6 beats per revolution same as this is also 6 per revolution with being a 2 stroke, sounds lovely
How many gallons of oil does it hold ? Looks over full to me !!
Thanks for showing this wonderful engine .American made engines are very reliable.Greeting from Malaysia .
Shame that displacement and fuel consumption is 10 times greater than elsewhere .....
Nice to meet a fellow Malaysian that is interested in western tech machinery too
Tokillya1 boohoo
How nice to see an old diesel engine in good condition without worn rings leading to clouds of oil smoke and injectors obviously in a good state, from the clean combustion.
Wilson Laidlaw it doesn’t have injectors. It’s a 2 stroke
Two stroke diesel engines do have injectors. You may be thinking of two stroke gasoline engines, using crankcase compression. This engine may have started its life with air blast injection but would probably have been converted to the more efficient and far simpler, less maintenance intensive high pressure injection at some point in its life. See article here on Morse 2 stroke diesel engines oldmachinepress.com/2012/08/31/fairbanks-morse-model-32-stationary-engine/ This article discusses the fuel injection on these diesels.
Thanks for that link!
@@crazyman401939 Note that the giant two-stroke diesels used in locomotives and ships all have injectors, as do the ubiquitous (but no longer made) two-stroke engines from Detroit Diesel. I can't imagine how you would make a diesel run without injectors of some kind.
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I used to go to the annual steam pageant in Canandaigua NY, love old machines, works of art
I went once
My Dad took me there in the late 60's
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Once NY allows us old timers to get together again, the Pageant will return.
In the late 1940- 1950 we had a 3 Cyl Fairbanks Morris engine ran the coop cotton gin we lived a mile away and on a still night you could hear it running here in South Texas, fond memories😁🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Wow that’s awesome love the old engines from back then 👍🇺🇸
I'm in the crowd that wants to hear these magnificent machines doing what they were built for, work. Some of my earliest memories are of those large displacement, single cylinder engines oilfield related in my case. Lulled me to sleep many times as a young child, almost a surrogate mother's heartbeat.
My dad used John Deere 2 cylinder tractors. I have the same memory of my dad plowing or picking corn until late and falling asleep to the rythm of a 2 cylinder diesel.
You lived that close to a pumpjack with a diesel engine? Also, didn't most of them run on natural gas that came off the gas wells?
@@gregorymalchuk272 Those old engines generally can run whatever kind of fuel you set it up for. Typically would start on gasoline cause that is easier to get going when cold, then switch to whatever was the most convenient at that location, usually natural gas. Our house was less than 2 blocks from a phillips petroleum condensor station essentially a giant water cooler that a high volume of natural gas went through to remove most of the condensables, clean up the natural gas stream. Some might remember the term drip gas. I dont know much about how all that worked but ya a big single cylinder pump was in the works. maybe an 8 or 10' flywheel on it. There are wells that have been pumping my whole life around here. Some of them may have started pumping 30 years before I was born. There is no way in hell a residential neighborhood would be allowed that close to a petroleum plant like that now. It was an old setup when I was a kid, and continued in operation till somewhere in the early 80's I think. Most of the houses around there were provided by Phillips for their employees who wanted to use them. Our next door neighbor worked oilfield his whole life did pump maintainence when I knew him, that neighbor had a big garage full of every imaginable used pipe fitting and valve. I used to go to his house and he would set up a coffee can full of gasoline and I would stand there with a brush and clean the threads on pipe fittings for a while and he would give me a couple of coins to go to the store and get a Coke. My sister still lives there and has an 800 foot deep well with a 10" surface casing right in her front yard. That well was intended for a municipal water supply but they never could get the petroleum smell out of it (Gee I wonder why?) its probably more like 798 feet with the bottom 2 feet filled with plastic army men, hotwheels cars, sticks and gravel. HELLO hello hello. I work about 1500 feet from there on a property that was once phillips OKC executive clubhouse. One building still has the tiles in the floor for whatever that game like shuffleboard is where the gameboard is the floor. I guess that is shuffleboard? I spend 8 hours a day within 50 feet of a something like 28" high pressure natural gas pipeline running behind the building I work in. It was put in oh about 1940 maybe? At my home about 2.5 miles from there I have an 18" petroleum pipeline in my back yard, another around the same size parallel to and another 75 feet away on the other side of an unused rail track and up at the end of the block another high pressure natural gas line running perpendicular to that. In between here and where I work are lots of massive storage tanks, and a station that fills probably 150 tank trucks with fuel every day. Ive been surrounded by rivers of petroleum product my whole life and I drive a plug in electric car, go figger.
I took care of 503’s and 739’s In my 32 years in the oilfield but NEVER anything close to this big!! 👍👍👍
love the sound of the fairbanks running
Made in beloit wi. My grandfather workes in tge factory from 1937 until 1982.
Best running one of this type I have seen.
This put a smile on my face that only few would understand why.
What a sweet running machine. Hardly any noise at all. 👍
That's coz it's NOT RUNNING. it's cycling over on compressed air. If you've seen the WORKING ones being started there's a LOT more smoke and noise. Notice the lack of smoke???
@@OffGridInvestor 1:00 for startup.
a crankcase scavenged in no 2 stroke is no engine to fuck with. 4 strokes be cannot do this unless poppet valved 2 stroke which they are all a want to be, 4 stroke is fake junk power that has no low end torque. that must rev high to servive. the 4 stroke is pure high revving junk with complexity that will break and will not survive for long at peak loads, show me own 2 stroke on total loss oil burnoff.
There are stihle premix 4 strokes but the nissan ud 2 stroke diesels can exceed them and burn off 40w oil as well as the detroits 2 cycles, i just got one for 2500, im rigging up total loss lube burn off on this engine
It’s only idling though, I bet under load it makes a good racket.
Totally unique exhaust note on these big engines
Its so quite. What a beautiful piece of restored engineering
That's absolutely magnificent. That lovely noise would send me to sleep. 😴
I could listen to this all day.
This is like a giant snowmobile engines that shakes the ground!
That engine sounds sweet could listen to it all day
But on a serious note I’m amazed how smooth that thing runs. It’s awesome.
6 cylinder
The mass of that huge flywheel makes it smooth running.
I work for Fairbanks in Wisconsin, you should see some of what we build now. Most of what we build is for the navy ships.
OP unifllow strokes
Grandfather had a 600 hp FM on his dredge. Would hand start in summer by barring engine over 3 times then turning fuel on! In winter had steam generator going through a distributor to preheat and rotate engine before starting! Those were the days!
I never heard of one on a dredge before. Why not. An amazing engine.
NOW THAT IS A REAL ENGINE😁❤ . RUNNING AS DESIGNED,BUILT BY EXPERTS. I COULD WATCH AND LISTEN TO IT RUN FOR HOURS.😁. AND IT WOULD RUN FOR A 1,000 YEARS. JUST CHANGE THE OIL🙏
This one is surprisingly quiet and has clean exhaust
Put it under a heavy load and that all changes.
I hope these old timers show some young ones how to start this. Kids today would try and find the remote start button. Beautiful iron.
Wow; you can sure see the crankcase pressure pulses (for this 2-stroke diesel) flexing that plexiglass (or Lexan?) viewport. I wonder how thick it is...
Why I like old diesels is for their simplicity. Anyone else?
VTEC kicked in YO!!!
very pristine piece of equipment 👍
That’s insane 450hp at 300rpm is a crazy amount of power. That’s the same kind of hp numbers giant cruise liner engines make at that low speed.
Guess what kinda engines they used to put in big ass boats
Smooth, made for the long haul. Wonderful job of (over) restoration.
Why did you have to say that?
@@jimgoodwin6294 Because, it's restored to better than it was new.
@@grantw.whitwam9948 So? Would you rather it be in a breakers?
Replace your plexiglass with a 1” thick slab of lexan to get rid of that flex while it’s running. It sounds amazing!
Yep, that looks pretty sketchy! I'm wondering if they have transfer ports in the cylinders from the crankcase, since it's a 2 stroke diesel with no apparent supercharger?
@@danw1955 Yeah it uses a reed valve and pressurizes the crank just like a gas 2-stroke, in the video description there's a link to a cutaway diagram
The startup sounds like techno
What a beautiful sound ! 👍
Amazing how quiet it runs for the size. 9000 lbs. per cylinder......no wonder it lasted this long!
The Oblong Illinois tractor show has some unique stuff to see every year . Look it up 🎈
I love that sound.
That engine is still ready to go to work. 👍
That was great thanks for sharing as I have never seen one like this.
Beautifull sound and nice startup smoke rings😊❤
FM engines in that family all have a very distinctive sound.
Thank you for showing. Greetings from Germany.
Do Germans make massive engines like this ?
@@josephtruxell We had big engines from MAN, Deuz ... but they are not SO massive
That's a real nice sound!
CX
Seeing the visible panel flexing purely from air displacement of the crank rod big end, wild stuff.
that's not from the rod whipping around....the lower end is used a compressor to draw air in and then blow it into the cylinder above via bypass passages in the cylinder walks just like a modern 2 stroke...
Slight correction to your torque figures. The calculator you linked gave the torque in inch pounds not foot pounds. The torque in ft. lbs. is 7878.
(HP/RPM)*5252 All that said still an impressive torque monster!
Nice startup sound!
Bro this is therapeutic I can fall asleep to this
A big old beauty, looks and sounds great.
" Under a working load , what a beautiful sound that exhaust would be 👍👍🇺🇸 "
I love the sound of these old engines
Screw emissions!! Love this engine👍👍
The Fairbanks Morse does a have a unique sound you always inow when one is running
Engine sound is so beautiful
Seems like a very efficient engine
Surprised environmentalist don't protest starting these sort engines considering they want to band the use of diesel, we should preserve our heritage from the past.
Thanks for sharing the video.
Put a load on that engine.....!!! let people see and hear how they really sound!
The wife won't let me have one. But it was surely great fun watching yours run!
Gracias por compartir tu motor está muy bonito
Excellent! Thank you for posting.
Would be nice to see it turning the generator and powering something.
This is just beautiful and it is quieter than a Ford
Power: 450hp @ 300rpm.
Torque: All of it.
Something magical when these giants crank up, used to watch my dad start his F/M 739 engine on his pump jacks.
Exotics beast. Lovely clean stoichioic combustion.
Cheers from Indonesia
Beautiful piece of iron
That giant 2 stroke can make way more than 450 HP!
This using crankcase pressure is made to take very high boost air levels!
Reminds me of starting the old Studebaker out in our backyard.
Love the sound
Watched many of these and larger power remote natural gas compressors
They ran on sweet gas, scrubbed the H2s out of it, still pretty raw fuel source, smelled pretty strong
Love it. You can possibly see some of the inspirations for early Disney animations in the smoke rings and the sounds when it starts?
What a machine!
que concierto perfecto!! no me canso de escucharlo. musica genial.
That Plexi flexing... What an impressive machine!
It's a bit dangerous actually...crankcase explosions can happen in big engines like this.
This engine looks so awesome
That’s a smooth running engine
Smooth as a Rolex
Fairbanks Morse engines are the best sounding diesels
Que maravilha de MOTOR, ANTIGO, MAS PERFEITO
When I am gone I would love my body o be poured into a part of one of these old engines
You will cause more work to clean your dead body off of it
Know what you mean.
I read the operators booklet and it said only low Ash oils.
1:46 Kinda cool to see such a tiny governor on a huge engine.
These engines dont do high rpm. At work we have an old soviet made 1000kw. generator. Max rpm of the ICE - 276 rpm. A piston alone is almost 2 tons of steel, a con rod is 1.6 tons. Trying to get such ammonunts of mass to move quck is kinda sorta dumb
You should see the governor of our town, compared to our state.