My Lightning Process experience in ME/CFS recovery - Is it a scam? ( REVIEW)
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2021
- My personal experience with the Lightning process. How I managed to make fast progress and then prograstinated and ended up in deception.
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Completely agree. I also did it 4 years ago, and with everything I’ve learned since (and for much cheaper) I think it’s pretty outrageous how much they charge given it’s just 1 tool, when so many people need way more than just that to fully heal. I find it totally irresponsible that they try to act like you’re just not doing it right if it doesn’t work for you. I wouldn’t want it to put anyone off brain retraining techniques, but there are much better, more sustainable ways of learning it and addressing any underlying causes is key.
Hi Rachel, I am thinking of trying LP. But I am doubting a bit, because of not everyone getting better. Would you mind if I could ask you just a few questions, so that I can make a decision about weather to proceed or not. Thanks.
@@majahorvat7294 Sure. Personally I wouldn't recommend LP. I would however recommend Dr Cathleen King's courses - Regulate to start and then Primal Trust. Or why not try this course by Daniel, which is donation based and covers a lot of the same stuff? Hope that helps
Have you gotten any better? If so what worked the best?
@@sla1xyz Yes. Cathleen King's courses as I mentioned, Internal Family Systems and Network Spinal Analysis. But it's different for everyone :)
You can do the Lightning Process on your own by watching recovery stories (on youtube and some various blogs) and reading and applying the book which is available for $10. The success stories are important because the placebo effect is a key part of the recovery process. If you don't believe it will work for you then it probably won't. You really can't approach mind-body treatments the same as you would purely biomedical treatments.
You can do the inverse of this recovery process by reading forums devoted to CFS or long covid which will convince you that it's *only* a physical illness and that you can't influence it with your mind and your only option is to pace and wait for a cure (which is probably never coming). Personally I think it's wiser to choose the former.
Well it worked for me. Stuck at 25 steps walking for 17 years. I have been 90% better the last 14 years since I did the course. Still have some memory and concentration issues but my body can cope with exercise.
How are you now?
Thank you so much for this video. I’ve been sick for a long time and recently came across The Lightning Process and got really excited. I did some research on it and concluded it was not for me, but after this video I realize it would have caused me great harm. I’ve repressed my emotions all of my life and I know that’s a major cause of my illness. God bless you for sharing this!! 💗
You're welcome. You can still learn to use neuroplasticity via my website. I made a page for it, with lots of examples and I use a different but imagination technique in the 7th module of the Alignment Recovery Program. Big hug.
Thank you for this. I feel the same, and thank you for your honesty and bravery.
Interesting. I have been interested in trying this because I've heard so much about it. But emotion suppression and toxic positivity is something that kinda makes my blood boil at this stage in my recovery. I'm also a fan of Dr. Sarno's work. I will give this a hard pass. Really appreciate your honest thoughts here. 🙏
They will definitely want to put down this video. But so important that somebody is saying honest opinion. I have heard other people talk about it as if they couldn't really say what is the Lightning Process, like it is forbidden. And when that happens, I have really cult-like vibes. So thank you for this. More people should talk honestly about these experiences.
Hi Daniel,
it’s kind of funny because I‘ve been having these thoughts you just shared. I did the seminar in March (inspired by a girl here on CZcams) and my experience was similar to yours. I went back to life and then crashed heavily within a couple of weeks. I was getting severely depressed because I had my hopes up and feeling like I was not doing the process right. Also by this stubborn way of toxic positivity telling yourself that you are recovered eventhough still far away from that 😄 Now that I am approaching CFS in a holistic way I can already see small but real progress. And I feel like this is what we should really strive for. I also started your programme and I am loving it so far. Thank you so much! 🙏🏼🌞
Thanks for sharing Amelie. Please let me know how the program works for you later on. Big hig
Wow, Daniel thank you ever so much for creating such an honest video after 11 years I finally feel so validated. I thought it was just me. I’m so sorry so many others have gone through the exact same experience. It breaks my heart. Very grateful to have come across your video tonight. So much blessings to you.
Thanks for thanking me always inspire. 🤗 More stories are coming I think and it is sometimes heart breaking. Yet I also know people who recovered from the LP. Big hug to you.
I wasn't convinced it would work for me.
I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia I suffered with it for 10yrs with many long stays in hospital. Since LP I have been fit and healthy for 4yrs. I don't feel I'm suppressing my feelings or anything physically, more the opposite. I'm recognising when I'm in need of something and acting on it.
I was really disappointed it was such an expensive course. That's my one complaint. Most of my savings were spent on it, and it means many people can't afford it.
However I'm now able to work, I've built my savings up, but more importantly it's completely changed my life for the better.
I'm fit, pain free and mentally well.
I wish you all, the very best in finding your way forward and understand that's different for everyone.
Magsfarrel are you still pain free with this therapy
Thank you for sharing, and for clarifying that different things work for different people. :) Glad this worked for you.
Thank you so much for your honest information! 🙏🏻 Very appreciated!
ANS Rewire really does focus on identifying triggers and not suppressing emotions, and is a holistic multi lateral approach with a focus on progress not perfection and being kind to yourself.
Thankyou for sharing this video. I have alot of respect for your work. I found you through Raelene Agle only 2 days ago.🙂
As soon as I about the term "Lightening Process" I was abit sleptical, because it sounded like there was a quick fix. Who doesn't want to heal fast? Lightening is natural power, so I guess one could think there was a way to harness that power more quickly than any other therapy. Alex Howard also distances himself from it because it can make you focus on the mind, while not being in tune with our body. I know for myself that a mind that races ahead of the body is not healthy. Thankyou for sharing your personal experience. I'm sure many with MECFS will be grateful for learning the truth about this and reconsider. 💕🙏
Daniel 😘 I can't even begin to tell you how loud my sigh of relief was as I listened to this. I feel emotional! I agree wholeheartedly 💕 It's a strange feeling isn't it, knowing something is kind of helpful but also feeling ripped off! Ha! I was confused by the emotion repression straight away when I did the course...to the point where I spent the 3 days having panic attacks due to the pressure to "be well". I agree totally with what you are saying about the root causes not being addressed, I now see that completely. I know the work of Sarno etc is making so much sense with being a HSP and having certain personality traits. I do believe it may "work" for a few people who aren't running any other patterns or trauma. I actually knew an ex lightening process practioner who said that she left because for the majority of people it wasn't the whole picture and she felt frustrated. I can see how if you go into the training in the wrong frame of mind it could lead to huge disappointment. The sad part is like you I believe wholeheartedly in brain retraining as an amazing element of recovery. But there is other stuff to sort out too. I think that's where the issue comes in with the marketing and price. I also made progress in the beginning but slipped back due to the underlying causes and triggers. I would really urge people to do brain retraining but use another program or trainer. There are tons of more affordable options that have an almost identical process. Thank you again for your honesty Daniel 🙏 biggest love xx
Just to add, I'm not dissing the actual tools that you learn. I still use so many elements and am grateful I have these in my toolkit. It's more the marketing and expectation xx
@@becoming_a_betty Appreciate your thoughts here. Is there a brain retraining program you would recommend?
A boy from my Lightning Process group tried to commit su#cide a few months after the course. We were all very young. All told that we should only tell our parents that Lightning Process cured us. If we said it didn't work "mom and dad would have wasted money and be very sad and we wouldn't want that, would we?".
Still have trauma from that expensive course. One of the kids had MS and was in a wheel chair. Sickening stuff. The positive stories you hear are just because the patients are told to ONLY say positive things. I always try to warn people but it often feels impossible.
Edit: Sorry if it is too triggering. Feel free to delete.
That is a horrible story. Such sad stuff to deal with at a young age. It's fishy and not a good way to advertise the course at all.
That’s really sad what you said about that young boy but I too did the lightning process it did not work for me at the beginning and I was extremely low about it but it did actually work for me after a couple of months when I really understood how to use it in a living way it’s personally the best money I ever spent and I thank god for Phil Parker I was Ill for six years with cfs and I’m so grateful to be well I think where they get it wrong on the training course is with the practitioners not being experienced enough
@@lynnluheshi8036 No, it’s a huge pyramid scheme. NICE guidelines even warn patients about it. ME patients should stay away from it.
@@MK-co6uf yep. It uses cult tactics.
yikes thanks for letting me know...that sounds very cultish (dangerous stuff) Getting people to lie is NEVER a good policy for jsut about...well...anything..sorry you went through that.
Thank you so much. I have a problem with systems that don’t show me exactly what a session looks like. I’m over all the self promotion hype and can see through it. what we need to see is some sessions taking place to know if it might be right for us
I've done the lightning process for ME/CFS as well. I feel you don't have the proper understanding...the Stop is absolutely never a frustrated yelling one as you are portraying. That is scolding yourself! and definitely what they say NOT to do. It is about love and kindness toward yourself. It is a calm, kind and loving, Stop (to interrupt ruminating), then making a conscious choice to look at things with a fresh life enhancing perspective (or keep ruminating which nobody wants), then your coach (you) telling you Well done and how much they love and believe in you and then shifting to a belief that enhances your life rather than running the old habitual painful patterns. This is different from shoving down or ignoring emotions, you're noticing them and then making a conscious choice how to respond to them. And this will calm you because you are being patient, loving and expanding and being taught to create what you want rather than what you don't want. And that you have the power to influence your health and mood greatly. My coach also encourages things like breathing techniques, grounding, and slowing down in general for calm. It does indeed work wonders if you stay committed. It's about dropping that belief that it won't work for you when you don't get 100% right away. Everyone has wobbles. And we are taught to focus on any small or large positive change rather than omit them and only focus on failures...which we are quite genius at (not on purpose)! We are also taught to use LP to create CALM flowing energy by using visualizations with those qualities...not hyped up adrenaline visualizations. Coaches are very quick to respond to emails and q's about those details when you are practicing. Calm, flow, healthy and vibrant. No pushing.
Yes, you're right. This is one of the 3 stops I learned. Definitely a bit like scolding. Kindness is the way to go.
Hi, thanks for the info. How much visualisations per day in terms of minutes are you supposed to do? Thanks a lot, Maja
Have you healed your CFS with the LP? How are you today?
hey, I too have done LP, it helped to a certain extent, I just started looking at your website, you are an interesting find, Stuart, england, cfs 30 yrs.
Hi Dan ! Thanks
so what do we do guys?
I have CSF over 1 year and when I stopped doing sports professionally I stopped falling asleep at 4 PM avery day. Now I am going to school, it s a little bit sresfull but i am trying to don´t care. For example when I am getting up or going upstairs i can feel the brainfog. I think that many people who says that they are fully recovered forget what is to feel like really really healthy. Have you guys think about psychedlics donť you think that could help? I am still not really sure wheres the problem in the body is... is it nervous system? thx
thx hope u all fell better.
I know two people 10 years ago who did this and neither recovered. I’m in shock this scam is still going. Unless you are mega rich it’s not worth the risk.
Hoi Daniel. bedankt voor deze informatie : ) Ik wou je graag een vraag stellen over de tool dat ze in LP gebruiken. Is dat ok? Ik wou graag weten of het om visualisatie gaat en om hoeveel tijd per dag het in beslag neemt? Alvast bedankt, Maja
Hoi Maja, ze raden het aan om te doen elke keer als je merkt dat je niet iets doet wat je wilt. Dat kan 2 tot 30 keer per dag zijn bijvoorbeeld. De techniek duurt zo'n 2 a 3 minuten. Maar als je deze vraag stelt, of de vraag van how oft am I supposed to do the technique. Dan vraag je het uit de verkeerde beweeg redenen.
@@releasecfs bedankt voor je Antwoord. Wat bedoel je waneer Je zegt dat mijn vraag uit de verkeerde beweegreden komt?
@@majahorvat7294 uiteindelijk gaat het er om dat je helemaal jezelf volgt en niet meer vraagt hoe of wat je moet doen. Het doel is jezelf te zijn en niemand kan dat beter dan jij. De vraag is eerder, waarom doe je het teveel of the weinig? Of, waarom laat je je door anderen lijden?, of wat verwacht je van de LP? Dikke knuffel
Do you have any content or opinions on Gupta / The Gupta Program? Seems very similar. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
I haven't done it. It is much cheaper and has a money back guarantee. You can do it at home. Neuroplasticity and beliefs play a big role. This is also part of the Alignment Recovery Program that you can start for free or via donation
Gupta is great esp about teaching compassion toward yourself. But I got much faster results with LP for ME/CFS
@@kimc3426 how soon
@@kimc3426can you explain?
it is similar i`ve done both, i was never pressurised with LP but i did it privatly with a therapist in london. but i think the gupta is pretty much the same thing. i think its good value. it was less than £100 when i bought it,i also heard of stories of gupta letting people pay in installments
Nice review. I'm in the middle of the book and have exactly same feeling. That this book contains some good tips and new viewpoints. It is piece of a puzzle. I bought it for 11euros for kindle and it is fair price to pay. I don't regret it.
But I think that this course is kind of Tony Robbins stuff, where you provide some good content, but you try to milk 10x more money from it than it is worth.
Thank you, better than the money I spend haha.
@@releasecfs I know that nasty itchy feeling when you get scammed by someone and you are not even 100% sure if you got scammed:)
So take care and be healthy and happy anyway.
One other comment I wanted to make about the practitioners is the ones who didn't like me or I felt there was zero connection and we didn't hit it off well they always wanted to medicate Me, the ones I got on well with never did
I found it unsustainable for me and utterly exhausting doing it over and over all day. I felt better after the 3 day course but was not sustainable when I got home. I felt I was possibly on adrenalin or something. I do get the brain science behind it . I also felt I needed coaching after it , loads and loads of coaching and mentoring, but had to pay for each private session of this, which was not possible. My friend did it and it worked for her. She has never looked back,. She was 1. lot younger than me 2. had not been as sick as me 3. did not have the childhood trauma I had 4. had her parent at the course, so she could coach her after and give her loads of support. 5. did not have an AI disease as I do I do not think 80 % people get better. Maybe 2 out of each group of 10 maybe ? I look at it as a stepping stone and and a good learning experience. I find that loads people are sharing for FREE on YT MInd/Body stuff yet The LP is so secret about how to actually do it unless you pay.
I did it many years ago-neither I nor the 2 others in my group recovered. I know someone who thought she had recovered but who relapsed worse than ever a couple of years later. I personally wouldn't have felt so bad about it if it weren't for the cost. I paid £600 around 15 years ago. (I worked out that my course leader was earning £80 per hour, from 3 people, ie £240 an hour which is just ridiculous) If it had been, say half that cost I would probably feel less pissed off about the whole thing! In the end, it's been a 'get rich quick' scheme for Phil Parker.
yes the amount they make off us is absurd
Is it the same technique as taught in for example Gupta and ANS Rewire?
I'm not sure, but Gupta and DNRS are probably similar.
It's very similar Jonathan. I've done ANS Rewire and LP and they are both NLP Stop techniques, however the LP is more detailed with a visualization element. I believe the Gupta technique and LP are more similar. xx
@@becoming_a_betty Okay, thank you! Did you find ANS Rewire helpful? More or less so than LP? I just started doing it, hoping it can make me better
Cannot comment on the Lightning Process but the Ans Rewire program is holistic. It deals with sleep, exercise, diet, supplements, thoughts, enviroment etc. It targets the root cause and use a wide array of techniques and strategies to treat the cause.
@@arnistordaihuvudet Yeah Ans Rewire is a really great program to help create a multi lateral approach along with a brain retraining technique. A great base for healing 🐱 Best wishes for your journey Jonathan xx
Did you delete your 6 part series?
Yes I did. Ofcourse I still stand for the things I mentioned 3,5 years ago. But my new videos are more practical. I want to move away from a (partially) accidental recovery and move to knowing and implementing practical things that will lead to a sustainable lifestyle and improvement of health. In the Alignment program things like emotional healing, sleep, neuroplasticity, coaching, pacing are explained much better in a step by step way
I used to receive lots of comments on those videos as if I just uploaded them last month. Many hateful comments as well. I have also learned to act more diplomatic.
@@releasecfs great answer bro. Makes sense
I did the course and we were only allowed to say positive comments about how we felt, not the whole picture
That doesn't sound nice. Luckily I didn't get that restriction.
that's not true. in the beginning of a coaching session they ask you to include only positive changes for the first few minutes only. Then you are free to tell your coach where you are struggling with the process, which is what the coach is there for. they are teaching you how to be a life enhancing coach to yourself.
@@kimc3426 I just told you what my experience was, your experience may have been different
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Hi Daniel I personally had cfs for six years and I have recovered with the lightning process but I like you was very disappointed at first when I went for treatment because it did not work for me but then I fully figured out how to use it which took a while but I really get it now I feel like lots of people fail with it and I now understand why they do and what they need to do different to make it work
I think it’s really sad to see a lot of people trashing the lightning process whilst I also agree it is one tool to use and other things may be necessary such as massage etc to make sure your body is as relaxed as possible I only speak for myself but if I had not learnt the lightning process to get a handle on all my illness toxic thinking I know for a fact that I would not be well today the lightning process saved my life and I thank fix every day for Phil Parker what I do believe is that his practitioners are not trained in a sensitive enough way I was truly fortunate to work with one that was a very experienced great person and she helped me to heal I will be forever grateful
Namaste
Thank god I meant
I’ve since realised I can heal instantly it’s about connecting inside yourself to a deep spiritual healing state which I can do now which we all can do actually we connect with that state then allow our body to catch up which it will it’s about surrender peace and love i do a little mantra to access it which is
Nowhere to go
Nothing to do
No one to be
@@lynnluheshi8036Namasté, great to hear you recovered 🤗. Yes I do see neuroplasticity as part of the puzzle. Not the full puzzle for most people though. The sales pitch is fraud with stating that 80 percent heals. I think it is probably around 30%. Others need more inner work as they haven't resolved the reason behind the nervous system imbalance.
Big hug 🤗
There are no issues to resolve with the nervous system I actually believe healing from cfs is really simple until everyone starts to complicate it with thoughts about illness it’s just about relaxing into a healing state and then waiting for the body to catch up to that healed state that’s why people get frustrated when the lightning process doesn’t work immediately and they panic and say it’s rubbish which it’s not it’s really useful as a tool to stop the mind from doing illness thoughts which the average cfs person is doing most of the day we simply need to get out of our own way also as I said body massage to relax the nervous system helps but mostly it’s about trusting that we can heal and surrender then allowing it to happen and really not focussing on it at all but just peacefully relaxing into the present that’s all it is
I'm halfway through your video. Seems nice. But have you tried the carnivore diet? If you want to be happy and healthy I think that's the only way. There is also the 90 day beef butter bacon and egg challenge? That could be an easy way to start. We know stress is a big problem but you need a healthy brain. That comes from your diet.
You have to eliminate the vegetable oils #1 then the grains and HFCS and then the vegetables and even the fruits.
Chronic fatigue syndrome? Really? That's an easy one. It's auto immune. You don't even have to go full carnivore for that. Simply start by eating more meat and butter. Any kind of meat, beef bacon fish sardines chicken, even eggs. And eliminate the vegetable oils if you can.
Why not go Pranic?
@@releasecfs interesting, will look into that
Carnivore is good.. but to claim it can completely heal you? Idk
I feel like it's a scam, I felt much worse because of it
It's a top bottom approach, in the end it can play a role in life and recovery, but not as black and white and emotional bulldozing as they sell it. It is a pity, but without the sales pitch, I would have never bought it.
@@releasecfs I also think, regarding a lot of these me/cfs energy healing type therapies, when you see the practitioners they're reading from a script, they don't see you as an individual person, not all people are the same and they don't seem able or willing to deal with that, spinning round in a circle or tapping or reading a flashcard may feel good for some but I found it really draining so obviously i felt worse
I’m pretty sure we are related somehow, my last name is van Loosbroek also
Sshh ahhh, I, am your father, sssh ahhh. 😜 Just kidding. Where do you live?
@@releasecfs I live in Michigan, my dads name is Francis and his sisters are Lottie and Ghislaine, I thought I would search my last name on CZcams just to see what came up, the last name I would think isn’t all that common so I wouldn’t be surprised if we were distantly related and since my grandpa had 16 siblings lol
Ha cool. Loosbroek is a little village in the Netherlands. Van means from. When I worked near that village for a while, I discovered more people with the same last name.
This wouldn’t work for me because I don’t know what happy feels like lmao
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I am so sorry. Big hug. Xx
@@redmoon8217 thanks 🙏 happy to report that after a years time of doing the work I can now summon enough bliss and happiness for neuroplastic exercises 🌊
It'sssssss...... a scam. Period.
Im from Croatia and when I sow the price a was deeply disappointed. The lowest prce It is more than my monthly income. And the price tell me a lot about greed and make me think is a scam.
Spoiler: Yes, it is a scam.
This video is a downer for downers.
Hahaha that's funny
You like money too i see😉
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Sounds kinda cultish