I couldn't finish this video. You cannot denounce bias whilst holding yourself highly biased opinions and repeating exaggerated generalizations. He mentioned one anecdote in West Virginia and presented that as the behavior of the "average Joe", basically implying that's the level of ignorance of the average American. When the truth is that, as he himself said, W. Virginia is full of hillbillies and that person most likely represented the average West Virginian (still a stretch), not the average American. It is true that there is racism, including anti-Asian sentiment, in the US, but it is not nearly as bad as he portrays it. And I say it as an immigrant belonging to another often racialized and discriminated minority (Latino). The point is that unless you are in a rural area of the deep South (including W.V.) you are safe to say you are Chinese, and portraying it as overly risky is a an exaggeration with a clear agenda. US universities are full of Chinese students and I've never heard any of them mention they have to hide their identity (including my roommate, who is Chinese). Maybe he was afraid of being silently looked down, but that says more about how proud he is of his identity than about how safe the US is.
@@Diego20529 I doubt this even happened to him. You hear this same trope as told by Chinese all the time. "Americans are ignorant". "Americans don't know geography", Americans don't understand China." Americans are intimidated by China" which American are invested heavily in. It's cope, projection and insecurity. West Virginians will invite anybody up to their porch for tea as long as they're not mocking them. Marshall University has tons of Chinese students that live very peacefully!
As a 2000s Hong Konger who immigrated to the West very recently, this video resonates with me so much. I was taught the worst of China and the best of the West commonplace in the 80s growing up, and I hated China and Hong Kong for a long time. It was not until I lived in the West for a while and visited the mainland that I realised how much the world has changed since then and how narrow my previous viewpoints were. Your work is a gift to this platform, keep it up
I am of the grandparent age. Left Hong Kong for graduate studies in the late 60s. Growing up, we were trained to not think critically, especially to avoid thinking politically. British cars ran out streets. Churchill and Shakespeare were reviered . The press kept us up on every minute detail on the lives of British royalty and not a thing about the next door China; as if China did not exist. My awakening happened AFTER leaving Hong Kong. I began to reflect on how colonialists brain washed their subjects into degrading themselves as inferior beings who DESERVED to be subservient to the WHITE colonial masters. I learned that colonial subjects are STATELESS., that if I needed help abroad, my colonial master would NOT land a hand, because it would not be its responsibility. We were nobody It is while abroad that I learned about modern China, its struggles and its triumphs. It is while abroad that I found my ethnic pride and sense of belonging I encourage all young people to travel more, to try living and working away from Hong Kong for a while , if possible. Broadening of one's horizon is. essential to find one's own place in the world
Finally someone that speaks the harsh truth about Hong Kong. You have no idea how much voices like you guys have been drowned out by the propagandist. Keep it up Siming ❤
My family were chinese refugees from Vietnam. We were in HK for 6 months in the late 70s. The residents of HK looked down at us and treated us very disrespectful. Eventually, we settled in the US. That's is where I grew up and was educated. I have realized the "American Dream" and find myself a member of the top 1%. When I find myself through HK on my way to Shenzhen. I might stop a night or two. Now I find myself pitying the people of HK. Shenzhen is so much nicer. It's a shame how they treated Mainladers in the early 2000s. HK is now the poor cousin receiving pity. Oh, so much has changed. My economic circumstances have changed some and many HKer are just getting by. This is the same for many mainlander getting their chances at the best the world has to offer.
I have many Vietnamese American friends from the 80s and none of them told me about being mistreated in Hong Kong. Sorry to hear that your family did. But not all Hongkongers are not nice to foreigners.
As a Filipino, I can relate to the colonial stuff mentioned in the video. And again as a Filipino, l feel more respect and politeness in the mainland than in HK.
China is so lucky to have two impressive and talented young people like you two. I am impressed with your thought process and critical thinking and I wish young people in my country are the same as you.
I’ve always “known” about media bias but the first time I really woke up was when I was in HK witnessing vandalization, terror, people being set on fire, violence and xenophobia against Mandarin speakers, and blockades in my university, only to be essentially evacuated home to the US and hear about peaceful protestors and freedom fighters to then “violence is necessary” language. Getting better treatment when I was speaking English than Mandarin, seeing white faces idolized and Mainland Chinese/ SEA workers treated with extreme hostility, made things very clear. I treat mainstream media with much stronger skepticism now
Skepticism is not enough, US news is 95% lies 5% ONLY when the truth fits their agenda. Fun fact ALL news agencies in the US are own by Blackrock, Vanguard and StateStreet (and they own each other so ONE company in the end) and 85% of their news comes from British REUTERS. YES US news comes principally from British REUTERS. So wake up, Ukraine = Lies, Election = Lies, Economy = Lies, etc etc etc
The bias was crazy and watching the western world egg them on as well. Imagine if the world eggs the rioters on in UK right now. In Australia they dont even mention what is going on in the UK.
Nice video, I like it. You two have chemistry. I agreed with everything Ryan said and thought the same. I was born in Hong Kong in 1956 and left for America in 1974. It is interesting to hear about a British education system different from mine. I was in colony education from the '60s to the '70s. Then, we were educated the whole 4000 years of Chinese history until 1949. It is easy to guess that the British feared China might overthrow UK control, as America did in 1776. We study geography worldwide, including the Americas, Africa, Australia, and Europe, but not China. That felt very odd to me since I like to travel. The British didn't loudly say China was good or bad in my youth. The newspaper did show that bodies flowed to Hong Kong harbor in the 60s Cultural Revolution. Thanks to Deng, China was back on track from the old glory days. With my highschool education, I was in-difference with China. We don't talk much about it from my Chinese parents from Guangdong, who moved to Hong Kong before 1949. Since my father had a business when he was young, we were capitalists without being classified as such. After the HK 1968 riot, my family decided to immigrate to America, and I left in 1974 and became American. Looking back almost 5 decades, Hong Kong people in my generation really have no identity. We were taught to be successful, educated, and make money. The British must have preferred that and not awakened Chinese culture until they discovered they would lose HK in the 80s. According to Ryan, they change the education to trouble China, taking HK back. In America, having Chinese culture with Confucianism was an advantage. I was without the need to learn and automatically compete better than Americans in school and work. Later, I learned I-Ching 易經 with a HK friend in America and saw the power of Chinese culture, which basically has everyone biased toward the road to success and a strong nation. Yes, Hong Kong people in my generation felt like premium Asians. As male, we can get Taiwanese or mainland Chinese girlfriends easy. Of course, fortune has turned, and Hong Kong youth have some uneasy choices. From my viewpoint, it is good to be back in China. It provides security and economic opportunity today.
I'm born in NZ with chinese malaysian parents so the part of the video of identification really related to me. I went to the guangzhou, foshan, hong kong ana macau back in 2016 for the first time and was just amazed with the infrastructure and cleanliness. I definitely want to visit more cities in mainland or even in Taiwan.
I’m a Kiwi too, though I don’t have any Chinese relations. I also visited Hong Kong Kong, Macau, and much of Mainland China back in 2016. While the infrastructure is light years ahead of New Zealand, I cannot say I was amazed with the cleanliness lol, especially in the mainland. The amount of smog and pollution was absolutely mind boggling, it made my eyes swell and gave me styes. And the open sewers on the streets weren’t very pleasant to smell either lol. Really makes me appreciate the environmental policies we have here in NZ. Sad to think that most people have never seen the Milky Way due to all the light pollution. China was an absolutely amazing place to visit though. The cities are super cyberpunk. And If you ever get the chance I definitely recommend going on a river cruise up the Yangtze. And I HIGHLY recommend going on a river cruise along the Li river at Guilin, the natural scenery is absolutely breathtaking!
@@rabidL3M0NS I'm a Chinese live in Shenzhen, I can say that even ourselves are amazed on how fast the country and cities are developped. Some areas even in the same City, I will be surprised when I go there after 1~2 years. I agree that the air polution was terrible years ago, especitally in winter time in the north. however, 2016 is 8 years ago, I can say that the situlation has been hugely improved. You can refer to the youtubers that visiting China recently.
This was a great discussion! I remember Keybros being one of the few sane voices during in 2019. I think the views shared in this video is very fair. Good job to both of you! Also, didn't knew @SimingLan could speak Cantonese 😄
Great conversations between two level-headed youth. China and HK need more young people like you two to uplift China's development, social and geo-political consciousness. I am a retiree from Singapore and wish both of you well.
I was born in Hong Kong before 1997 and grew up in the US since I was 5. I reject all colonial British influences and fully, and completely, embrace China and my Chinese heritage. The '97 return to China was the greatest blessing. I pray Hong Kong is purged of all colonial mindsets and influence in the current generation.
Tbh if you are not going back to HK to contribute then is very easy for foreigners to say what they like online. Many expats say the same thing when you are in foreign countries earning that expat pay check at the end of the day is still about money and opportunities.
I can only hope you and any family you might have are not US citizens, or if they are that they, unlike you, are able to appreciate their ethnicity without comprising their loyalty to the US. If you are a naturalized US citizen that fully embraces “China” I hope you know that your hypocrisy doesn’t go unnoticed.
I am curious at the driver that made you embrace your Chinese heritage. A lot of kids born overseas do not have the emotional attachment to China, and unfortunately, quite a lot of them are even resentful to the Chinese culture. Do u mind if u could share your experience?
So nice to see you both together discussing HK and Chinese issues. I have been acquainted with KeyBros vlogs, and always enjoyed their views. Good job, great discussion. Hope to see more episodes! 👍❤️👍
Great discussion with Keybros about Hong Kong. As young people in Hong Kong learn mandarin better and go tot he mainland more, I think there is less resentment towards the mainland. The next generation will be very different. The economic problems which people complain about, and often blame on the mainland, were already there long before 1997. The British controlled Hong Kong government only solved problems when they got really serious and were not interested in addressing issues of inequality. As for the 'freedoms' and 'democracy' which people like to complain about -- they were never discussed in colonial times, until Patten was dispatched to Hong Kong to stir up trouble before the handover. If you want to see how much freedom of expression and the right to protest was valued in colonial Hong Kong, just look at the "1967 Hong Kong riots." As with all dissent in all British colonies, the response was violence and harsh oppression.
Okay to be fair, the ‘1967 Hong Kong Riots’ actually had people planting bombs and was influenced by the cultural revolution going on in the Mainland. There’s nothing wrong with expressing anti-colonial views but you can’t complain when THAT gets violently suppressed by the authorities. There WERE discussions about giving Hong Kong more democratic rights and representation at the time too, but unfortunately those riots stopped that discussion from progressing. We should try to be nuanced - many British policies for HK were amazing for the place, and there were genuine policies which sought to improve it and the lives of people there and that worked. (An example being the Hong Kong ICAC which succeeded in tackling police corruption). It’s good that they’re gone now, but we don’t have to crap on everything they did to be patriots.
Keybro is really articulate about the biased HK education system. It is an eye opener for me. Keep faith with HK. It has what it takes to succeed as it is not another Chinese city. It is special. Rebuild HK, we need people like Keybro
Siming, I love your videos and I often watch them twice! Ryan’s Hong Kong, China and world travel experience is great for your discussion. He helps dispel some common myths we have in the west. Cringed a little though, when he used the word hillbilly. No war, but class war😉❤
Those sayings about then moon remind me of my grandfathers qoute: *the moon is the same here as over there.* He was from HK and his saying was in response to weather he would immigrate to the West. Like Ryan said, those who lived through British colonialism knew better what they were up to. Grand rhetoric about freedom, democracy, blah blah meant nothing in the face of the reality under foreign rule. I consider myself lucky because I come from a family that taught me to respect my culture and people, and never look down on anyone simply because they're poor or uneducated, we come from the same place! I think the idea of class is a factor that doesn't get talked about enough here. This was great, I've missed Keybros and wondered what happened to the channel. Glad to see he's doing well and probably busy with his career. Thanks Siming & Ryan, pls have more of these conversations, they're so important.❤
yeah why does those HK protestors believe that the west will take care of them better. all i see is the west try to USE them to keep China down and the HK protestors feel they are special fragrance toilet papers
@@SimingLan. Apologies i stand corrected 😊. There was a time when some “Chinese” restaurants in America wouldn’t hire waiters if couldn’t speak taishanese. Chef would tease workers, “Chinese don’t know how to speak Chinese” when in fact mandarin was the national language spoken by majority of people in china. Just a little fun fact. Love your content and the nuance details you bring to light.
The education system plays a huge role in young people’s thinking in HK. History is taught biased towards western ideals, colonial education. Young people should go see for themselves and make their own decisions, don’t assume any dogmatic views…GBA will unite all the Cantonese speaking people 🎉
@@Willxdiana It’s sad to see that, but if they learned about the Opium Wars and the negotiations of handover of HK, the Asian financial crisis, etc…they would be more educated about the world and China🙏
@@dongshengmuni why should they? Only the 4 clans of Hong Kong fought against the British. And huiyang, new territories, Shenzhen went through the effects of the opium. You are speaking to one of the 4 original clans of hk, me. Gz people never went through opium war. Replaced my people. Then hate China. Prc has no say in hk. And the British hk when they let so many refugees in
@@Willxdiana well, it’s bigger than the fighting itself. It’s seeing how the “civilized” people, the British, selling drugs to others the Chinese and taking money and land, even though they outlawed it domestically. They even discussed it in their parliament, how religiously civilized can it be! …And they will teach you, in HK, it’s about open trade and free market, no morals. So, I think knowing what happened in 1840 and 1860, will help them better understand where they come from historically…and history repeating itself as we speak!
I feel more hopeful about China‘s future development whenever I see your content. You are one of many examples of younger generations of Chinese who have seen the world and come to a much clearer understanding of how China has come a long way to where it is today and where it can be in the future. Keep it up, Siming!
Thank you for this vlogg and the many others you've made. I researched the transfer of HK back to China and realised early on the attitude of UK PM Thatcher and her side kick. the unelected failure Patten was the last minute poison pill gift of "democracy" as a farewell present to the priviledged few. 2 things the former British colonialist police torture house, White House, is still standing now part of Colombia Uni campus; the Great famine of China c.1960 was unhelped by the USA ( Kennedy) declining Chairman Mao' request and refusing to release any of their vast stores of grain to help alleviate the suffering of the people.( there's a record of Mao's delegate asking in the USA Library of Congress)
Love the collab! I can relate to the missing of critical thinking and teacher's perspective playing a big role in the correct answer, growing up in Northern Europe
A very candid and truthful discussion. Great video that all overseas Chinese should see especially in Hong Kong and Taiwan. I can resonate with the issues on education as a 3rd generation overseas Chinese who is also educated in the Western education system. I used to think of China as backwards, in poverty and having an authoritarian government and its people have no personal freedom at all. This mindset was indoctrinated into our minds until I visited China in the late 1980s. I was totally amazed by what I saw back then. Since then, I have visited China several more times and each time I can see all the massive improvements in the infrastructures and the lives of the people there which totally debunked the western narrative. People are allowed to get rich and the government system is more democratic than most western countries which profess to be democratic.❤
👍👍👍💪💪💪 Two very smart and level-headed, deep-thinking youths, who will not digest any trash from the Western narratives! Proud of this group of young Chinese!
As Chinese, we should be more confident and able to stand on our own feet. Be strong... Of course, throughout the history of humankind, there'll always be ups and downs and we will always keep up to a greater good. We are all equal among other western countries. I'm proud of China.
Great as always, Siming. Thanks for the contribution, non-brainwashed people will learn a lot from you. Just keep the good job, you're on the right way.
❤ Such a great video! As a mainlander, I watched it with tears in my eyes. There has always been so much misunderstanding between HK and the mainland. We are like long-separated family members who know each other is good and want to get close but always seem to be separated by an invisible wall, cautiously. I’m really happy to see Hong Kong people being so fair and objective towards mainlanders. I’ve always loved Hong Kong and felt that Hong Kong people are warm and kind. Ten years ago, when I visited Hong Kong, even eating noodles at a small roadside shop, I could hear the owner warmly say, ‘Welcome to Hong Kong!‘ to me. An unforgettable and precious memory.
Excellent conversation between you two. I'm from HK and have lived in the U.S. for 16+ years(misled by the media); I must say that China differs from before. I often worked in Beijing + Shanghai for a few years before COVID-19 and loved it. I have seen all those changes; it's sad to see what happened in 2019 and how our youth view the government and central government. The only way to break the ice is to have them physically visit mainland China. It's the only way to change their political views and be proud to be Chinese. I fully support NSL, which restores peace in HK.
Great discussion guys! You both shared some very insightful comments about HK. I haven’t been to HK for 5 or 6 years and the feedback from my friends is rather negative on HK. You guys bring a different perspective…. One I agree with. Love the Cantonese at the end!!!I really enjoyed the video! 👍👍👍
I'm a Malaysian Chinese and I'm damn proud of China's achievements. I am a proud chinese. I know my roots... I'm Cantonese descended from Namhoi. I look forward to China becoming the financial capiotal fo the world and bring the world to new levels of achievements in the coming decades
You two rock…this has to be the most honest unbiased reveal of ‘Hongkongers’….who really thought and felt the were the cream of Asia, even the ones that immigrated to the UK in the 80’s they would look down at Chinese from anywhere else. It used to make me so angry. I could see how they would lap up anything the ‘expats’ would dish them!!! Democracy..😂😂
This was quite biased. Even the hostess admitted in the comments the content was not “neutral” but expressing opinions. People need to learn how to think critically
I really like the empathy with the HK protesters trying to express their political will. It seems like it is challenging as there is a cultural shift where China is advancing economically and HKers are noticing that difference in material life circumstances. You’ll likely see ordinary people change their minds and priorities. What’s more important - a dogmatic attachment to “western” and colonial values? Or, a society that promotes diversity AND provides better living conditions to all peoples especially the poor and marginalized?
This is my stance as well. I am a very outspoken critic of the 2019 unrest. I will not forget the hate, division and intolerance they wreaked upon our society. But I am also a proponent for gently reintegrating the non-leaders into society, especially the less violent ones, so that they can be useful and live a fulfilling life away from the empty ideology that they naively believed in 2019.
I always like to see your video Siming, very good! i think you should go see the border of china/vietnam to compare the cultural similiraties and difference
Youthful exuberance China is rising, and that is to be celebrated! However, please understand that the rising of China is not the issue that the West has an issue with. It’s much deeper than seeing a non-white face entering the elite circle on the international stage. Sometimes, it’s not a bad idea to keep a lower profile, continue to build up one’s wealth before the wealth is revealed. I’m optimistic about China’s future. Just hope it would not rush ahead of its time. After all, governing a nation of 1.4 billion people is by no mean an easy task! Thank you for sharing! 🙏
Nice collaboration video Siming Lan, with one of my favorite CZcams Keybros. I was wondering if you would be down to holding a collaboration talk video with a famous Vietnamese CZcamsr Luna Oi? Also Ryan from Keybros, when are you considering posting another new video?
Seems “colony” is a good word to HK people as well as TW people, while "殖民“ means humiliation to our mainland, we quite know what it means to us, to our country, to our culture.
Having cousins born and raised in hk from the 1990s onwards, I now understand why they had such a negative image of China due to the biased education system
I would like to share a observation. Considering, before 2019, there were so much educational materials which were openly criticizing CCP, Chinese culture...etc. Doesn't that means China had actually kept their promise of One Country Two System, and had truly kept a non-interference stance. They truly did keep their hands off the governance of HK... Surprisingly tolerant...
I agree - "..... (people) should travel a bit more". It's probably the best way to become educated about the World we live in. I lived in Hong Kong 3 years 89 - 92, but did not get to mainland China until 2010, and again in 2012. And again, hopefully, in late October this year. It was interesting hearing both of you discussing the various perspectives of what you thought of China and HK in the past and where the country stands now. To some extent an education. BTW I love China!
This is my first time hearing about Keybros so I clicked on the link to go to their channel. They haven't posted anything since 2 years ago. I hope they will restart the channel with some new vlogs. Maybe visit places throughout China from a Hong Kongers perspective?
"越出國, 越愛國" There's always a saying "The more you travel around the world, the more patriotic you are" since by then you'll really experience how good China is by comparing your life abroad...it is like an eye opener!
Please making Historical of Between Tibetnes and Chinese Soo people from Outsider Will understand what Happened and Avoiding Controversial Through out a Year about Tibetnes issue by Western Media
Keeeybroooos man it's been awhile since I've seen you two. Wise head on young shoulders as always. You know it's funny I've been watching some older HK films and in the info it'll have the actors/actresses biography, now some of those will say born in HK China and others HK crown colony. Given what's planned for the greater bay area I'd say HK will be just fine. Keep up the great work!
For what it is worth, when the UK gave up Hong Kong, to differentiate the leased property it had no choice in keeping, I saw those that remained on HK as Chinese. Unlike say those in Singapore or Taiwan. People too often conflate ethnicity with nationality. I may be ethnically Chinese in heritage but Taiwanese-American in my current culture and nationality. This was why I advised contacts in HK’s student movement a few years back to do 3 things or risk losing their current way of life: 1) Wave both the HK flag and tbe PRC flag together. 2) Establish robust and known leaders who can take responsibility for the movement. 3)denounce ALL violence to people and property. Without doing these things the movement’s intentions would not be known and could easily be co-opted by nefarious people on both sides of the issue of HK’s status. My advice was quickly dismissed and not disseminated beyond the person I spoke to. Would things be different had my advice been followed? Probably not, but maybe.
I always say the worst part about the whole hk situation was that most of the so called "hkers" that looks down on other chinese people. Their parents or grandparents are originally from the mainland. That is why it was sickening to the core. Its like self hate without realising it.
Right! Similarly, there are mainlanders who look down on other mainlanders because their province is less flourishing than theirs! It is similar to tribalism!
Is there free movement of people (for living and finding work) between Hong Kong and mainland China? The majority of Americans do not have passports and have a poor knowledge of geography, as you discovered! In the UK about 14% do not have passports. We get a far from accurate picture of China from our western media.
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I couldn't finish this video. You cannot denounce bias whilst holding yourself highly biased opinions and repeating exaggerated generalizations.
He mentioned one anecdote in West Virginia and presented that as the behavior of the "average Joe", basically implying that's the level of ignorance of the average American. When the truth is that, as he himself said, W. Virginia is full of hillbillies and that person most likely represented the average West Virginian (still a stretch), not the average American.
It is true that there is racism, including anti-Asian sentiment, in the US, but it is not nearly as bad as he portrays it. And I say it as an immigrant belonging to another often racialized and discriminated minority (Latino). The point is that unless you are in a rural area of the deep South (including W.V.) you are safe to say you are Chinese, and portraying it as overly risky is a an exaggeration with a clear agenda. US universities are full of Chinese students and I've never heard any of them mention they have to hide their identity (including my roommate, who is Chinese). Maybe he was afraid of being silently looked down, but that says more about how proud he is of his identity than about how safe the US is.
Sure. So long as one remains demure, if not servile, and tolerate, if not embrace, Xi Thought, HK will be ok . What choice does it have?
@@Diego20529 I doubt this even happened to him. You hear this same trope as told by Chinese all the time. "Americans are ignorant". "Americans don't know geography", Americans don't understand China." Americans are intimidated by China" which American are invested heavily in. It's cope, projection and insecurity. West Virginians will invite anybody up to their porch for tea as long as they're not mocking them. Marshall University has tons of Chinese students that live very peacefully!
@Siming, when did you learn Cantonese?
As a 2000s Hong Konger who immigrated to the West very recently, this video resonates with me so much. I was taught the worst of China and the best of the West commonplace in the 80s growing up, and I hated China and Hong Kong for a long time. It was not until I lived in the West for a while and visited the mainland that I realised how much the world has changed since then and how narrow my previous viewpoints were. Your work is a gift to this platform, keep it up
@PlaceholderName-p9d Poor chap. In Cantonese, you will be known as a "sor-hai"!
I am of the grandparent age.
Left Hong Kong for graduate studies in the late 60s.
Growing up, we were trained to not think critically, especially to avoid thinking politically.
British cars ran out streets. Churchill and Shakespeare were reviered . The press kept us up on every minute detail on the lives of British royalty and not a thing about the next door China; as if China did not exist.
My awakening happened AFTER leaving Hong Kong.
I began to reflect on how colonialists brain washed their subjects into degrading themselves as inferior beings who DESERVED to be subservient to the WHITE colonial masters. I learned that colonial subjects are STATELESS., that if I needed help abroad, my colonial master would NOT land a hand, because it would not be its responsibility. We were nobody
It is while abroad that I learned about modern China, its struggles and its triumphs.
It is while abroad that I found my ethnic pride and sense of belonging
I encourage all young people to travel more, to try living and working away from Hong Kong for a while , if possible.
Broadening of one's horizon is. essential to find one's own place in the world
Finally someone that speaks the harsh truth about Hong Kong. You have no idea how much voices like you guys have been drowned out by the propagandist. Keep it up Siming ❤
My family were chinese refugees from Vietnam. We were in HK for 6 months in the late 70s. The residents of HK looked down at us and treated us very disrespectful. Eventually, we settled in the US. That's is where I grew up and was educated. I have realized the "American Dream" and find myself a member of the top 1%. When I find myself through HK on my way to Shenzhen. I might stop a night or two. Now I find myself pitying the people of HK. Shenzhen is so much nicer. It's a shame how they treated Mainladers in the early 2000s. HK is now the poor cousin receiving pity. Oh, so much has changed. My economic circumstances have changed some and many HKer are just getting by. This is the same for many mainlander getting their chances at the best the world has to offer.
Being from the disadvantage group I know how bad it feels. I won't treat people with disrespect and will teach the same to my children.
I have many Vietnamese American friends from the 80s and none of them told me about being mistreated in Hong Kong. Sorry to hear that your family did. But not all Hongkongers are not nice to foreigners.
I heard so many stories like you, Chinese Vietnamese refugee mistreated in HK. You should be glad that your family did not stay.
@@nine7295Hong Kongers are scum
@@nine7295they didn't tell you because they didn't trust you.
As a Filipino, I can relate to the colonial stuff mentioned in the video. And again as a Filipino, l feel more respect and politeness in the mainland than in HK.
A lot of HKers treat Filipinos like dirt. This has been happening for decades.
Both are ni chile ma ren.
China is so lucky to have two impressive and talented young people like you two. I am impressed with your thought process and critical thinking and I wish young people in my country are the same as you.
I’ve always “known” about media bias but the first time I really woke up was when I was in HK witnessing vandalization, terror, people being set on fire, violence and xenophobia against Mandarin speakers, and blockades in my university, only to be essentially evacuated home to the US and hear about peaceful protestors and freedom fighters to then “violence is necessary” language. Getting better treatment when I was speaking English than Mandarin, seeing white faces idolized and Mainland Chinese/ SEA workers treated with extreme hostility, made things very clear. I treat mainstream media with much stronger skepticism now
Skepticism is not enough, US news is 95% lies 5% ONLY when the truth fits their agenda. Fun fact ALL news agencies in the US are own by Blackrock, Vanguard and StateStreet (and they own each other so ONE company in the end) and 85% of their news comes from British REUTERS. YES US news comes principally from British REUTERS. So wake up, Ukraine = Lies, Election = Lies, Economy = Lies, etc etc etc
The bias was crazy and watching the western world egg them on as well. Imagine if the world eggs the rioters on in UK right now. In Australia they dont even mention what is going on in the UK.
Nice video, I like it. You two have chemistry. I agreed with everything Ryan said and thought the same. I was born in Hong Kong in 1956 and left for America in 1974. It is interesting to hear about a British education system different from mine. I was in colony education from the '60s to the '70s. Then, we were educated the whole 4000 years of Chinese history until 1949. It is easy to guess that the British feared China might overthrow UK control, as America did in 1776. We study geography worldwide, including the Americas, Africa, Australia, and Europe, but not China. That felt very odd to me since I like to travel. The British didn't loudly say China was good or bad in my youth. The newspaper did show that bodies flowed to Hong Kong harbor in the 60s Cultural Revolution. Thanks to Deng, China was back on track from the old glory days.
With my highschool education, I was in-difference with China. We don't talk much about it from my Chinese parents from Guangdong, who moved to Hong Kong before 1949. Since my father had a business when he was young, we were capitalists without being classified as such. After the HK 1968 riot, my family decided to immigrate to America, and I left in 1974 and became American. Looking back almost 5 decades, Hong Kong people in my generation really have no identity. We were taught to be successful, educated, and make money. The British must have preferred that and not awakened Chinese culture until they discovered they would lose HK in the 80s. According to Ryan, they change the education to trouble China, taking HK back.
In America, having Chinese culture with Confucianism was an advantage. I was without the need to learn and automatically compete better than Americans in school and work. Later, I learned I-Ching 易經 with a HK friend in America and saw the power of Chinese culture, which basically has everyone biased toward the road to success and a strong nation. Yes, Hong Kong people in my generation felt like premium Asians. As male, we can get Taiwanese or mainland Chinese girlfriends easy. Of course, fortune has turned, and Hong Kong youth have some uneasy choices. From my viewpoint, it is good to be back in China. It provides security and economic opportunity today.
I currently live in the US. When asked where I am from, I say I am from Hong Kong, China 🇨🇳 Proud to be Chinese
A little girl told us she was frim China, HK. Few of us presents were really happy to hear that. We are from Singapore
Good for you - that is great
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Finally, some truth around 🇭🇰 and 🇨🇳 谢谢啊, Siming 🙏🏻🤩🎷
I'm born in NZ with chinese malaysian parents so the part of the video of identification really related to me. I went to the guangzhou, foshan, hong kong ana macau back in 2016 for the first time and was just amazed with the infrastructure and cleanliness. I definitely want to visit more cities in mainland or even in Taiwan.
I’m a Kiwi too, though I don’t have any Chinese relations. I also visited Hong Kong Kong, Macau, and much of Mainland China back in 2016. While the infrastructure is light years ahead of New Zealand, I cannot say I was amazed with the cleanliness lol, especially in the mainland. The amount of smog and pollution was absolutely mind boggling, it made my eyes swell and gave me styes. And the open sewers on the streets weren’t very pleasant to smell either lol. Really makes me appreciate the environmental policies we have here in NZ. Sad to think that most people have never seen the Milky Way due to all the light pollution.
China was an absolutely amazing place to visit though. The cities are super cyberpunk. And If you ever get the chance I definitely recommend going on a river cruise up the Yangtze. And I HIGHLY recommend going on a river cruise along the Li river at Guilin, the natural scenery is absolutely breathtaking!
大陆在改善，金山银山不如绿水青山的口号可不是说说的，各个省份的间甚至有关于水污染的对赌协议，让保护环境更加有利可图
After a long period of colonization, it became a rootless tree...
@@rabidL3M0NS I'm a Chinese live in Shenzhen, I can say that even ourselves are amazed on how fast the country and cities are developped. Some areas even in the same City, I will be surprised when I go there after 1~2 years. I agree that the air polution was terrible years ago, especitally in winter time in the north. however, 2016 is 8 years ago, I can say that the situlation has been hugely improved. You can refer to the youtubers that visiting China recently.
@@rabidL3M0NS Visit China again. The pollution and the environment have improved a lot. You will be impressed.
This was a great discussion! I remember Keybros being one of the few sane voices during in 2019. I think the views shared in this video is very fair. Good job to both of you!
Also, didn't knew @SimingLan could speak Cantonese 😄
Great conversations between two level-headed youth. China and HK need more young people like you two to uplift China's development, social and geo-political consciousness. I am a retiree from Singapore and wish both of you well.
Great comment, wish everyone well also
I was born in Hong Kong before 1997 and grew up in the US since I was 5. I reject all colonial British influences and fully, and completely, embrace China and my Chinese heritage. The '97 return to China was the greatest blessing. I pray Hong Kong is purged of all colonial mindsets and influence in the current generation.
Tbh if you are not going back to HK to contribute then is very easy for foreigners to say what they like online. Many expats say the same thing when you are in foreign countries earning that expat pay check at the end of the day is still about money and opportunities.
I can only hope you and any family you might have are not US citizens, or if they are that they, unlike you, are able to appreciate their ethnicity without comprising their loyalty to the US.
If you are a naturalized US citizen that fully embraces “China” I hope you know that your hypocrisy doesn’t go unnoticed.
I am curious at the driver that made you embrace your Chinese heritage. A lot of kids born overseas do not have the emotional attachment to China, and unfortunately, quite a lot of them are even resentful to the Chinese culture. Do u mind if u could share your experience?
@@arsenal_84 truth hurts
@@YohohoXX he get bullied at school , is a likely explanation
So nice to see you both together discussing HK and Chinese issues. I have been acquainted with KeyBros vlogs, and always enjoyed their views. Good job, great discussion. Hope to see more episodes! 👍❤️👍
Great discussion with Keybros about Hong Kong. As young people in Hong Kong learn mandarin better and go tot he mainland more, I think there is less resentment towards the mainland. The next generation will be very different. The economic problems which people complain about, and often blame on the mainland, were already there long before 1997. The British controlled Hong Kong government only solved problems when they got really serious and were not interested in addressing issues of inequality. As for the 'freedoms' and 'democracy' which people like to complain about -- they were never discussed in colonial times, until Patten was dispatched to Hong Kong to stir up trouble before the handover. If you want to see how much freedom of expression and the right to protest was valued in colonial Hong Kong, just look at the "1967 Hong Kong riots." As with all dissent in all British colonies, the response was violence and harsh oppression.
Maybe this will wake up the world
Just because Hong Kong didn’t have great democracy in the past doesn’t mean its current democracy should be squandered.
@@rabidL3M0NSit’s only squandered if we give up. We need to restart reform in the right way. With consultations and negotiation, not rioting.
@@rabidL3M0NS Freedom and democracy are the result of prosperity, not the cause.
Okay to be fair, the ‘1967 Hong Kong Riots’ actually had people planting bombs and was influenced by the cultural revolution going on in the Mainland.
There’s nothing wrong with expressing anti-colonial views but you can’t complain when THAT gets violently suppressed by the authorities.
There WERE discussions about giving Hong Kong more democratic rights and representation at the time too, but unfortunately those riots stopped that discussion from progressing.
We should try to be nuanced - many British policies for HK were amazing for the place, and there were genuine policies which sought to improve it and the lives of people there and that worked. (An example being the Hong Kong ICAC which succeeded in tackling police corruption).
It’s good that they’re gone now, but we don’t have to crap on everything they did to be patriots.
看了很多你的视频，可以说，你是在油管上我看过最多视频的博主了，没有之一，客观的事实，理性的思考，流利的语言，智慧的谈吐。棒棒哒，小姐姐！
I found the points about the 2014 riots/religious studies exam fascinating. I think this is a terrific conversation. Well done guys ❤
As a Thai fan, I'm glad to know that you are also proud to be one of us. 🤣
Keybro is really articulate about the biased HK education system. It is an eye opener for me. Keep faith with HK. It has what it takes to succeed as it is not another Chinese city. It is special. Rebuild HK, we need people like Keybro
I have subscribed Keybros from scratch 😊
Keybros' comments about what happened to Hong Kong are always spot on 🎯
Siming, I love your videos and I often watch them twice! Ryan’s Hong Kong, China and world travel experience is great for your discussion. He helps dispel some common myths we have in the west. Cringed a little though, when he used the word hillbilly. No war, but class war😉❤
haha thank you! yeah I learned a lot from Ryan's travel experience too! I'm sure he didnt mean to use the word the way you thought he might have!😊
Those sayings about then moon remind me of my grandfathers qoute: *the moon is the same here as over there.* He was from HK and his saying was in response to weather he would immigrate to the West. Like Ryan said, those who lived through British colonialism knew better what they were up to. Grand rhetoric about freedom, democracy, blah blah meant nothing in the face of the reality under foreign rule.
I consider myself lucky because I come from a family that taught me to respect my culture and people, and never look down on anyone simply because they're poor or uneducated, we come from the same place! I think the idea of class is a factor that doesn't get talked about enough here.
This was great, I've missed Keybros and wondered what happened to the channel. Glad to see he's doing well and probably busy with his career. Thanks Siming & Ryan, pls have more of these conversations, they're so important.❤
yeah why does those HK protestors believe that the west will take care of them better. all i see is the west try to USE them to keep China down and the HK protestors feel they are special fragrance toilet papers
yay keybro! as a hk chinese! supporting!
香港还是华人 已经流进骨子里了，很难改变
Very good accurate account of the state of affairs especially on the mindset of HK youth of different age groups. Thanks.
Both hosts are great, really appreciate their honest thoughts. And Siming is looking so beautiful!
Thanks Siming. Haven’t seen keybros, Ryan for a while. Great interview. Love seeing you pick up Cantonese.
yes was good to have him back! noo i speak cantonese😊
@@SimingLan. Apologies i stand corrected 😊. There was a time when some “Chinese” restaurants in America wouldn’t hire waiters if couldn’t speak taishanese. Chef would tease workers, “Chinese don’t know how to speak Chinese” when in fact mandarin was the national language spoken by majority of people in china. Just a little fun fact. Love your content and the nuance details you bring to light.
The education system plays a huge role in young people’s thinking in HK. History is taught biased towards western ideals, colonial education. Young people should go see for themselves and make their own decisions, don’t assume any dogmatic views…GBA will unite all the Cantonese speaking people 🎉
no critical thinking in hk.
@@Willxdiana It’s sad to see that, but if they learned about the Opium Wars and the negotiations of handover of HK, the Asian financial crisis, etc…they would be more educated about the world and China🙏
@@dongshengmuni why should they? Only the 4 clans of Hong Kong fought against the British. And huiyang, new territories, Shenzhen went through the effects of the opium. You are speaking to one of the 4 original clans of hk, me. Gz people never went through opium war. Replaced my people. Then hate China. Prc has no say in hk. And the British hk when they let so many refugees in
@@Willxdiana well, it’s bigger than the fighting itself. It’s seeing how the “civilized” people, the British, selling drugs to others the Chinese and taking money and land, even though they outlawed it domestically. They even discussed it in their parliament, how religiously civilized can it be!
…And they will teach you, in HK, it’s about open trade and free market, no morals. So, I think knowing what happened in 1840 and 1860, will help them better understand where they come from historically…and history repeating itself as we speak!
Great discussions between the two of you. Keybro shared many insights about HK that have puzzled me for a while.
Bravo! I have many colonial friends that are still brainwashed. Wish the world had more critical thinkers!
Oh So True, good comment
I feel more hopeful about China‘s future development whenever I see your content. You are one of many examples of younger generations of Chinese who have seen the world and come to a much clearer understanding of how China has come a long way to where it is today and where it can be in the future. Keep it up, Siming!
Keybro, you have been missed! Nice video! Thanks for doing this discussion!
Spot on!! This is a genuine conversation that we have to talk about more often.
Thank you for this vlogg and the many others you've made. I researched the transfer of HK back to China and realised early on the attitude of UK PM Thatcher and her side kick. the unelected failure Patten was the last minute poison pill gift of "democracy" as a farewell present to the priviledged few. 2 things the former British colonialist police torture house, White House, is still standing now part of Colombia Uni campus; the Great famine of China c.1960 was unhelped by the USA ( Kennedy) declining Chairman Mao' request and refusing to release any of their vast stores of grain to help alleviate the suffering of the people.( there's a record of Mao's delegate asking in the USA Library of Congress)
Great to see you back, Keybros❤
Love the collab! I can relate to the missing of critical thinking and teacher's perspective playing a big role in the correct answer, growing up in Northern Europe
A very candid and truthful discussion. Great video that all overseas Chinese should see especially in Hong Kong and Taiwan.
I can resonate with the issues on education as a 3rd generation overseas Chinese who is also educated in the Western education system. I used to think of China as backwards, in poverty and having an authoritarian government and its people have no personal freedom at all. This mindset was indoctrinated into our minds until I visited China in the late 1980s. I was totally amazed by what I saw back then. Since then, I have visited China several more times and each time I can see all the massive improvements in the infrastructures and the lives of the people there which totally debunked the western narrative. People are allowed to get rich and the government system is more democratic than most western countries which profess to be democratic.❤
Chinese are allowed to get rich. And primarily the Han demographic. Get your rhetoric straight.
I haven't heard from keybros for a looooooooong time. So good to see @keybros again!!!!!!
Yea, great vlog guys, good to see Keybro on board!! Truth of the matter is laid bare!! Thanks for such transparency, Siming. 👍👍👍
👍👍👍💪💪💪 Two very smart and level-headed, deep-thinking youths, who will not digest any trash from the Western narratives! Proud of this group of young Chinese!
Thank you for your honest discussion! This needs to be heard.
As Chinese, we should be more confident and able to stand on our own feet. Be strong... Of course, throughout the history of humankind, there'll always be ups and downs and we will always keep up to a greater good. We are all equal among other western countries. I'm proud of China.
Great as always, Siming. Thanks for the contribution, non-brainwashed people will learn a lot from you. Just keep the good job, you're on the right way.
she is a cccp smokes person!!! she gives half truths!!!! in china no one can say a thing bad about china!!! totalitarian.
Another amazing video. I really like this Q+A and discussion format.
❤ Such a great video! As a mainlander, I watched it with tears in my eyes. There has always been so much misunderstanding between HK and the mainland. We are like long-separated family members who know each other is good and want to get close but always seem to be separated by an invisible wall, cautiously. I’m really happy to see Hong Kong people being so fair and objective towards mainlanders. I’ve always loved Hong Kong and felt that Hong Kong people are warm and kind. Ten years ago, when I visited Hong Kong, even eating noodles at a small roadside shop, I could hear the owner warmly say, ‘Welcome to Hong Kong!‘ to me. An unforgettable and precious memory.
Great comment.
Excellent discussion about freedom of speech balanced against other social rights.
Thanks. Good talk. The west needs to change
Excellent conversation between you two. I'm from HK and have lived in the U.S. for 16+ years(misled by the media); I must say that China differs from before. I often worked in Beijing + Shanghai for a few years before COVID-19 and loved it. I have seen all those changes; it's sad to see what happened in 2019 and how our youth view the government and central government. The only way to break the ice is to have them physically visit mainland China. It's the only way to change their political views and be proud to be Chinese. I fully support NSL, which restores peace in HK.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I agree with you.
Greetings from Canada.
That was a great discussion. I would welcome future conversations with Chinese from Taiwan and Overseas Chinese as well.
I enjoyed this conversation a lot, thank you for the topic choice
Great discussion guys! You both shared some very insightful comments about HK. I haven’t been to HK for 5 or 6 years and the feedback from my friends is rather negative on HK. You guys bring a different perspective…. One I agree with. Love the Cantonese at the end!!!I really enjoyed the video! 👍👍👍
Great great story siming... Carry on to do more for our Chinese world cause we r the greatest always, from Malaysia hakka family❤❤
great interview, both of you are feeling at ease and great take away.
I'm a Malaysian Chinese and I'm damn proud of China's achievements. I am a proud chinese. I know my roots... I'm Cantonese descended from Namhoi. I look forward to China becoming the financial capiotal fo the world and bring the world to new levels of achievements in the coming decades
BBC can do wonder with spin doctor, the brit are expert at colonialism for 500 years prodigy of colonialsm
wonderful work. This is a really good video.
Very good topic and discussion.
Haven't seen the keybros for a while , I wish Siming could let us know what they've been up to. Busy with studies or work ? Cheers.
smart objective educated well-informed youngsters 👍
You two rock…this has to be the most honest unbiased reveal of ‘Hongkongers’….who really thought and felt the were the cream of Asia, even the ones that immigrated to the UK in the 80’s they would look down at Chinese from anywhere else. It used to make me so angry. I could see how they would lap up anything the ‘expats’ would dish them!!! Democracy..😂😂
Love your energy…❤❤❤ proud to be Chinese!!
This was quite biased. Even the hostess admitted in the comments the content was not “neutral” but expressing opinions.
People need to learn how to think critically
Keybros Ryan is very smart.
Should do a Cantonese version for the kids in HK to learn.
I really like the empathy with the HK protesters trying to express their political will. It seems like it is challenging as there is a cultural shift where China is advancing economically and HKers are noticing that difference in material life circumstances. You’ll likely see ordinary people change their minds and priorities. What’s more important - a dogmatic attachment to “western” and colonial values? Or, a society that promotes diversity AND provides better living conditions to all peoples especially the poor and marginalized?
This is my stance as well. I am a very outspoken critic of the 2019 unrest. I will not forget the hate, division and intolerance they wreaked upon our society.
But I am also a proponent for gently reintegrating the non-leaders into society, especially the less violent ones, so that they can be useful and live a fulfilling life away from the empty ideology that they naively believed in 2019.
siming, 你一定是经过很多有深度的思考才会提出这些深刻的问题，同时也让像我这样的大陆人也更全面了解香港年轻人的想法。你的视频特别棒，一定要坚持做下去噢。会一直支持的。
I always like to see your video Siming, very good! i think you should go see the border of china/vietnam to compare the cultural similiraties and difference
So proud of you two young Chinese.
I loved it. A very thoughtful analysis and fairly honest presentation.
Youthful exuberance
China is rising, and that is to be celebrated! However, please understand that the rising of China is not the issue that the West has an issue with. It’s much deeper than seeing a non-white face entering the elite circle on the international stage.
Sometimes, it’s not a bad idea to keep a lower profile, continue to build up one’s wealth before the wealth is revealed. I’m optimistic about China’s future. Just hope it would not rush ahead of its time. After all, governing a nation of 1.4 billion people is by no mean an easy task!
Thank you for sharing! 🙏
Nice collaboration video Siming Lan, with one of my favorite CZcams Keybros. I was wondering if you would be down to holding a collaboration talk video with a famous Vietnamese CZcamsr Luna Oi? Also Ryan from Keybros, when are you considering posting another new video?
❤love the conversation- well done
Seems “colony” is a good word to HK people as well as TW people, while "殖民“ means humiliation to our mainland, we quite know what it means to us, to our country, to our culture.
WOW, what an interesting conversation by two intelligent persons!!
Great duscussion guys. Thank you. Wondering why keybros havent released any new videos??
Wow what a fantastic discussion! Thank you for sharing
Having cousins born and raised in hk from the 1990s onwards, I now understand why they had such a negative image of China due to the biased education system
I would like to share a observation.
Considering, before 2019, there were so much educational materials which were openly criticizing CCP, Chinese culture...etc. Doesn't that means China had actually kept their promise of One Country Two System, and had truly kept a non-interference stance. They truly did keep their hands off the governance of HK...
Surprisingly tolerant...
Abc with hk roots in the US and used to watch keybros videos when i was on my deprogramming journey a few years back
三個重要因素形成這位男生的三觀
First one:have traveled to mainland in person
Second:independent mind
Third:critical thinking
老哥真的通透！😂
他在“人权”这件事情上讲得很好，人权是多个方面的，目前人类社会的结构注定了不可能存在一个国家尽善尽美！
你在美国，西方可以随便上街抗议，甚至可以分裂国家，但相应的你得面对他们的持枪合法化还有休息日吵到你脑壳疼的抗议声....
总归是需要取舍的！
反正对于我而言，我更能理解政府在“维稳”上的追求，毕竟中国14亿人，人真的太多了！
稳定绝对是十分重要的！
事实上我可太喜欢半夜三四点还能肆无忌惮上街吃夜宵的生活了！感谢我的祖国！😂
you right that don't say Chinese when in America , you two excellent young generation ❤
Very good interview, it reflects many Hong Kong people's thinking.
I agree - "..... (people) should travel a bit more". It's probably the best way to become educated about the World we live in. I lived in Hong Kong 3 years 89 - 92, but did not get to mainland China until 2010, and again in 2012. And again, hopefully, in late October this year. It was interesting hearing both of you discussing the various perspectives of what you thought of China and HK in the past and where the country stands now. To some extent an education. BTW I love China!
Amazing, I miss the keybros!
wow.. keybros..... haven't seen him for years
This is my first time hearing about Keybros so I clicked on the link to go to their channel. They haven't posted anything since 2 years ago. I hope they will restart the channel with some new vlogs. Maybe visit places throughout China from a Hong Kongers perspective?
Keybros has grown up😂😂😂😂
Impressive! Frm🇲🇾
"越出國, 越愛國"
There's always a saying "The more you travel around the world, the more patriotic you are" since by then you'll really experience how good China is by comparing your life abroad...it is like an eye opener!
Both the parties must come towards each other halfway 🎉
Great discussion by two lovely people.
Thanks Siming Lan & Keybros. I'm in agreement with some point of views from you both.
“Where are you from?”
“I’m from Hong Kong!”
“Oh, China” *BANG*
I think this was lifted from the movie "Civil War" right?
@@kevinlin4895 yes
I feel very sad about the discrimination I receive in Hong Kong because of speaking Mandarin
It's like going to school in the US. You don't expect them to teach you that communism is good or even allow discourse around communism.
Not so much on nostalgic feeling but suffering from Stockholm syndrome!
媒体和教育从小到大就向他们灌输殖民文化那一套，西方文明被包装成自由民主先进，其他文明都被宣传成专制独裁落后，看他们的媒体内在的逻辑还是19世纪文明等级论那一套。
Omg i watch both of these channels.
Please making Historical of Between Tibetnes and Chinese Soo people from Outsider Will understand what Happened and Avoiding Controversial Through out a Year about Tibetnes issue by Western Media
Keeeybroooos man it's been awhile since I've seen you two. Wise head on young shoulders as always.
You know it's funny I've been watching some older HK films and in the info it'll have the actors/actresses biography, now some of those will say born in HK China and others HK crown colony.
Given what's planned for the greater bay area I'd say HK will be just fine.
Keep up the great work!
too bright and open minds! enjoyed your conversation very much.
说的太好了 这才是真正的香港新青年💯❤❤❤
That thing he said about the model answers was crazy. I would've never guessed that such a thing would be happening in China.
For what it is worth, when the UK gave up Hong Kong, to differentiate the leased property it had no choice in keeping, I saw those that remained on HK as Chinese. Unlike say those in Singapore or Taiwan. People too often conflate ethnicity with nationality. I may be ethnically Chinese in heritage but Taiwanese-American in my current culture and nationality.
This was why I advised contacts in HK’s student movement a few years back to do 3 things or risk losing their current way of life:
1) Wave both the HK flag and tbe PRC flag together.
2) Establish robust and known leaders who can take responsibility for the movement.
3)denounce ALL violence to people and property.
Without doing these things the movement’s intentions would not be known and could easily be co-opted by nefarious people on both sides of the issue of HK’s status.
My advice was quickly dismissed and not disseminated beyond the person I spoke to.
Would things be different had my advice been followed? Probably not, but maybe.
I would really love to see Ryan react to the latest video from Wendover about Hong Kong.
One can tear that video apart but the salty HK protesters are out in force in the comments, calling everyone Wumao.
I always say the worst part about the whole hk situation was that most of the so called "hkers" that looks down on other chinese people. Their parents or grandparents are originally from the mainland.
That is why it was sickening to the core. Its like self hate without realising it.
Right! Similarly, there are mainlanders who look down on other mainlanders because their province is less flourishing than theirs! It is similar to tribalism!
Is there free movement of people (for living and finding work) between Hong Kong and mainland China? The majority of Americans do not have passports and have a poor knowledge of geography, as you discovered! In the UK about 14% do not have passports. We get a far from accurate picture of China from our western media.