Windows Live OneCare Rewritten - Reviving a Dead Microsoft Product
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- čas přidán 5. 05. 2022
- Today we're checking out OneCare Rewritten - a project that attempts to brings some functionality back to the now-defunct Windows Live OneCare subscription service.
Thanks to Cobs for creating this!
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OneCare Rewritten: onecare.cloudlillith.net
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#MichaelMJD #WindowsVista #OneCare - Věda a technologie
Cobbs has already begun work on XP support! It's currently in closed beta but he has gotten it to install successfully.
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Hello. Can you share the wallpaper? Would look super cool on my Win7 laptop xD
Update: as of version 0.1.5 XP support is now available but only in a 32-Bit Compatibility
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Wow. A local computer shop in my area still had a sealed copy of Windows Live OneCare in their window since 2007! I never had it back in the day as I couldn't afford it.
buy it
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It's kind of a curiously now since it was basically sold like Norton 365 and Microsoft made most of its features part of the base installation of windows.
Man, Vista was such a pretty OS
Right? It sucks it got such a bad rep I loved my Vista Laptop I have fond memories using Vista over XP
Good fortune then if you spend the time to make it happen, you can (kind of) recreate it in most open source systems.
It was imo better looking than Windows 7. I love the greeny bluey colour scheme, and the logon screen background is gorgeous.
So I actually reinstalled Vista on a Windows 7 desktop about 5 years ago. Vista SP2 and Windows 7 back then actually seemed pretty similar other than the GUI. Drivers became much more compatible and so did software. Anything that could run on windows 7 seemed to also run on Vista SP2, even Windows 7 drivers worked on Vista SP2.
Vista Ultimate was also neat because it's the only version of windows that would let you use a video as wallpaper NATIVELY which was one of the features that I actually enjoyed about that OS.
Windows 7 seems like it's actually based on Vista SP2 with a new GUI. Pretty sure Windows did the name and GUI change because of how bad Vista was at the beginning. If it wasn't for the bad rep it got, I'm pretty sure Windows 7 would have been released as Vista SP3.
It was kinda ruined in first day. Even they already fix it. But damage have been done. Kinda sad people don't give the 2nd chance
I spent 4.5 years of my life working on OneCare. A couple of things you've got wrong:
It did not come about after the purchase of GeCAD. It was in development long before then. I was involved in early 2002 but it went back to at least a year if not two. OneCare was not built on top of GeCAD. In fact, we were working on a different engine. There was a big political hullabaloo about this. If my memory is correct, we did not originally release with GeCAD because the cost of changing would be too high.
There were multiple AV products ongoing at MS at the time. There was a professional level product with GeCAD, and I believe GeCAD was used in Defender (which I also did a lot of work on).
Does the GeCAD had incorporate to the Later on MSE?
I remember original defender (only antispyware function)was base on GiatSoftware which MS had purchase in 2004.
@@AAA839 I'm not sure on the origin of Defender's original engine. I'm certain on the GeCAD issue even though didn't change my own work. This was a problem that went all the way up to Balmer because our team was then part of the Windows Live group (formerly MSN) and the AV was in the Windows group and these were two of the main pillars of MS.
The one odd thing at that time was that "Malware/Adware" was considered different from "Antivirus" (I think we were using the term "Malware" then, but there may have been another term). There was this gray area because the "Malware" was often legal commercial software. Think "Bonzi Buddy". For that reason, even though there were doing many of the same things, "Anti-malware" and "Anti-virus" were different products. Windows Defender was originally just "Anti-malware" with the idea being to sell "Anti-virus" just like other companies.
For that reason, while I'm sure that Defender wasn't using the same AV OneCare was, I don't remember what it was using originally. I used to know, but it's been a long time. It probably was from another purchase. I know I cross over Defender with the GeCAD purchase because when I was on loan to the Defender team I was told that the there were 3 or so Eastern European guys sitting around not doing very much to finish out the year or so they were required to work after selling their AV to MS (Details here are very vague, may not have been right even back then since it was word of mouth).
Bunch of crap. Anyone can claim anything on the internet. The dude is literally reading from official articles hes showing on screen. But sure some random guy is right
@@kyleolson8977 Do you recommend having Defender turned On (Real Time protection) at all times on Windows 10 for an advanced user? I usually disable all kinds of antivirus since I've found they were only putting massive strain on my disk reads/writes (I ran Win7 for 7 years like that without ever reinstalling it...) Does it REALLY do something?
@@kyleolson8977 And there's another con in regards to Antivirus. If it was only disk access in itself, okay no problem, but I recently found out about the Windows 10 "Disk Caching" issue which grows and grows depleting your free memory (which ends up causing constant Page File writes until you flush it... this needs to be done manually every other day, for no-reboot setups...) So I'm really curious to your overall opinion on Windows Defender for an advanced user. My initial reaction is always disabling any kind of Real-Time protection. (I also found that Comodo Firewall was putting an extra strain of 18 Gigs of disk writes per day... I got it down to 2 Gigs a day now... even with the browser in RAMdisk)
This really makes me miss the Glass interface. God damn you, Microsoft, GIVE US OUR UI BACK.
I was hoping that some mad geniuses would post replies here telling about ways of patching Win 7 interface on top of Win 10... But the silence makes me worried... It's unusual in this kinds of videos when people DO NOT know about something... That rarely happens... :( I need that UI in my life LOL
@@FeelingShred iirc you can do that with aero glass which is a theme for win 10,
Perfect example of why I hate online activation, and why it destroys old software.
That's the thing, the people who made the product want it to be like that. not a flaw, but a feature.
If you want to see the "you've got a virus" screen - download EICAR to a local folder, then run a custom scan on that folder. EICAR is basically a dummy-virus that only exists to test that AV is working.
2005 to 2008 were amazing years for Microsoft products I think. It's time for them to release the docs on how all these products worked so people can recreate these all services.
The era of windows Vista, I prefer the xp era and the 7 era.
yeah no, people hated Vista and everything related to it
@@breaklux3823 Vista was actually decent it’s just too ahead of it’s time.
@@breaklux3823 7 is really just reworked vista
@@breaklux3823 Vista was released late, yes we cannot deny that its development was close to be chaotic.
However, it was quite groundbreaking for its time. I'd do everything just to go back to these tech years and live them
man windows vista-7 was just the peak of technology
Maybe not technology, but certainly the peak of UI design. Vista especially was so fluent in how everything looked, felt, and connected. The tiny animations that are shown as you navigate the UI really tie it together well. Windows is so jagged in comparison now and it feels like everything just clashes. Windows 8, 10, and 11 all look like successors to XP, but certainly not to Vista and 7. I use 11, 10, Vista, and 7 all side by side on my desk and honestly, both Vista and 7 by FAR feel so much better to use. And I can actually concentrate on what I want to do, whereas I find the UI of modern Windows to be incredibly distracting and often times, I do find myself entirely forgetting what I started my newer computers up to do from time to time.
And old Android, iOS, and even smart televisions.
@@the_mariocrafter Yes. There was something about that era that really felt futuristic and clean. It baffles me that these companies are acting as if that era had never existed. Everything today feels like a successor to the early 2000's, not the late 2000's and early 2010's. They really could have built up from that, but for some reason, they undid all of those changes with a lot of technology today
@@nicholasquirk7634 I find that Windows 11 is a step in the right direction again. The settings app finally works properly and includes pretty much everything I have to access regularly (like advanced network settings or audio devices). They are finally also starting to bring back the transparency effects that gave things depth and made them beautiful. I know it's popular to hate on Win11 for various reasons, and I don't necessarily disagree with all of those. But it looks like they have also finally managed to find a strategy to truly migrate towards a single UI style. I hope they can just keep following this path for long enough that everything truly fits together.
As a sidenote, on my work machine I have recently upgraded to Ubuntu 22.04 and that has been a massive improvement over both 20.04 and 21.10. Gnome 42 (the desktop environment) is such a big improvement. The elements like buttons, toggles and dropdowns look great, it works much smoother, and with a little bit of tweaking you can make your task bar/dock look absolutely gorgeous. An absolute joy to use. I think that's the first time I've had a Linux desktop that feels as smooth as a Windows one, especially on a 144Hz monitor. Before, I'd always have little stutters.
So overall I'm pretty happy where things are going. Good progress on all fronts.
@@nicholasquirk7634 all the user interfaces in 2010-2011-2012-2013 (except iOS 7) felt so futuristic and clean. Even smart fridge felt clean. Even Windows 8/8.1 felt great to use. Now everything is boring flatness and no creativity. Now it's all about overuse of the cloud and encryption.
Hopefully a similar project can be done to reverse-engineer the Microsoft Plus! XP programs to bypass the EULA error message.
Not sure about the normal Plus! for XP, but I can say the Plus "Digital Media Edition" can definitely be made work again as I did it years ago. It needs a patch in one file to remove the activation check and a transform for the installer to install the patched file in place of the original one.
What need to be changed? I installed Microsoft Plus! XP on Windows 10, the games run, the screen savers work, the Themes do not work. I still have the XP Fish tank as my screen saver....
Oh, by the way, it works in Windows 11 as well...
Maybe using tools like Ghidra and WinDebug will help reverse-engineer the Microsoft Plus! XP programs to bypass the EULA error message to get those programs working without Plus! XP even being installed.
Or just xp in general
Maybe even reverse-engineer the following DLL files with WinDebug, Resource Hacker or Ghidra which are as follows:
AcShellExt.DLL
AcShellExtUI.DLL
AudioConverterUI.DLL
CDPringUI.DLL
CDPrtreg.DLL
EULACHK.DLL
EULACHKui.DLL
itngram.DLL
mphook.DLL
mpspeakreg.DLL
mpspeakUI.DLL
Mss32.DLL
PersonDJreg.DLL
PersonDJUI.DLL
PlusAppUI.DLL
Plusmore.DLL
Plusr1.DLL
Plusvis.DLL
PLUSWIZ.DLL
PlusWizRes.DLL
PLUSWIZUI.DLL
RegWizUI.DLL
RussSqrReg.DLL
RussSqrUI.DLL
sapi.DLL
spcommon.DLL
spcplui.DLL
SpkrCorr.DLL
SpkrCorrUI.DLL
spsreng.DLL
spsrx.DLL
spsrxui.DLL
Maybe anyone can start reverse engineering these DLL files to reverse engineer AudioConverter.EXE, CDPrint.EXE, Hyperbowl.EXE, MpSpeak.EXE, PersonDJ.EXE, PlusApp.EXE, RegWiz.EXE, RussSqr.EXE, sapisvr.exe and TheLabyrinth.EXE from Microsoft Plus! XP to bypass the EULA error message.
That’s so interesting!! I also think that the Post-Vista packaging for it is pretty cool
Lol I literally came to the comments section to say the opposite! I prefer the XP OneCare packaging.
@Lenny_L14 agreed
Oh goodness, I remember reading about this in support docs. Literally hadn't thought of this name in years, what a blast from the past.
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A relaxing Friday afternoon with a brand new Michael MJD video is just what I needed!
That’s crazy! Just got a copy at a by-the-pound Goodwill! So interesting to hear about it!
As a result of this video I’m strangely nostalgic for the Aero theme… so that’s gonna be an existential crisis.
This guy did some outstanding job, I admire people like him.
Imagine if Cobs managed to get a modern database of signatures from like MalwareBytes to work? That'd be more than pog.
Last update for OneCare was in 2012 and that is the OneCare Family Safety Installation.
I actually remember when I bought a prebuilt desktop PC from Best Buy called Velocity Micro PC or something like that, it was a Core 2 Duo PC preinstalled with Windows Vista Home Premium that I remember buying in April of 2007 and the sales clerk strongly insisted that I also buy an antivirus program saying that I would catch a computer virus as soon as I connected that PC to the internet with Windows Vista. I think I remember turning that down, but I never really had any problems with viruses in Windows Vista, not like in the early days of Windows XP in 2002 and 2003. When I was using and exploring the new features in Windows Vista, I do remember seeing One Care software being an option as far as an antivirus software that I could purchase along with Norton or McAfee.
Michael, will you check the Windows Vista Extended Kernel? I've dmed you on Twitter about it but i don't know if you see those messages!
Who else misses the old windows packaging and the design. Was so cool seeing it in Best Buy or other box stores.
Man, haven’t seen a copy of this in years! Nice video once again, Michael.
I didn't know it existed. Also, great box design, great color choice. MS had good taste back then.
Amazing how much effort you put in these videos. It really is fascinating how many of the Microsoft products hold up for years or even decades to come. Cheers from Germany!
I wish i coulda subbed to you much earlier than 2018-19 bc i have a copy of that (Not bc i bought it ofc lol) but i have a ligit copy i would of loved to send it to you because i have no use for it but now.. i can finally see what it looks like now bc i have never felt the need to put it in the drive, thanks for the video MJD you're videos are always good to watch while eating :)
Wow, this is just the thing I needed this weekend. Can't wait to try on my Vista machine. Thanks!
this is super cool im glad someone is taking the time to develope this thing
So this piece of sotware was deprecated because no OneCared?
Can't stop looking at how beautiful Windows Vista was. 😍
I miss internet checkers, windows live, and internet explorer :((
I don't miss IE
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internet checkers was bad compared to the xp games. internet explorer was so bad literally everyone started using chrome or firefox .normally it would be impossible for such a thing to happen since it was the default browser that came with the os only hard core power users would bother with another one. but they managed to make it so bad people had no choice
@@belstar1128 yeah maybe they weren’t that good I just had a lot of nostalgia playing them and I liked how the graphics looked. I also liked windows Aero
Woah, I didn't expect to see Cobs on here, that's super cool!
It's impressive how much you have gotten much better at making videos and how much more comfortable you are.
If the video is good I can not complain about long wait times... In most cases, in which this one fits perfectly.
This Onecare Rewrite project is awesome ! I used this program and it is working.
I love the Windows Vista style packaging. So clever.
I always think it's cool seeing old and forgotten stuff like this being revived by people who know what they're doing. :,)
Awesome video, Michael!
Nice work, Cobs!
I am so excited you are reviewing onecare!!!! I used that product for years and it’s really nothing more than a rebadged windows defender
As someone who's building a Windows XP VM for childhood (mid-'90s to 2009) software, I appreciate these revival projects. I vaguely recall using OneCare, but I still have a copy (in the form of an ISO I made out of the disc, which I hope would work) and I'm giving this Rewritten version a go.
I like how there is a warning on the pirated version that says: “Unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this this program, or any portion of it may result in…”. Lol, in the pirated version.
If Cobs were to change the files regarding updating definitions so it would link to windows defender, it may work up to the 2017 definitions, where Vista was cut off from support.
I have a computer that runs windows vista and I tried to update windows defender out of curiosity, it successfully updated but the weird thing is that it said that the definition was created in August 2022
When is XP support coming? Seriously!? I've been waiting for 10 minutes now.
GNU/Linux support too pls
@@adwaitagnome linux sucks
@@notanetcher every os have its features bro
@@notanetcher like linux is the best for coding
@@notanetcher you obviously have not used it
Amazing video as always thanks Michael for amazing videos
49.95? I thought it was free until I found this video lol! My xp laptop came with onecare outta the box I believe. Never remember paying for it but it never worked for some reason when I booted it up for the first time in like 3 years lol! Thanks for this video and I will definitely be checking out onecare rewritten!
Yep, I recall it being a free download at some point as I don't ever remember paying for it
This Was Good Video Couldn't Think of Anything Else To Watch But This Great Video,Michael
Nice one !
Good lookback video!
why do I love the vista disc cases so much
Anyone notice a pattern with Microsoft and the One branding lately? First Microsoft OneNote, then Windows Live OneCare, then OneDrive, and now OneCore.
Maybe they will call the next version of Windows after 11 "Windows One" heh.
If by "lately" you mean "the last 15+ years", then yeah.
Any idea how this compared against Windows Defender as it existed in the XP/Vista era? I realize it was strictly an antivirus, but were Defender and OneCare's anti-virus functions based on the same software?
I didn't even know that this existed! That's really cool tho.
Reviving that Could be great! 😇👍🏻💙
as a Romanian i am so so glad that they partenered with us
Very Good MR. MJD
Holy moly I knew right away it sounded like old MJD right at the beginning of the video
1:37 I do believe we shall see the Compaq Portable Part 2 video in the near future... I think I have spotted a hint to that recently...
Nice! So pointless lol, I love it. Well done to Cobs for making Onecare RW 👍 I remember seeing Onecare on the shelf at EB Games back in the day. Thanks for making this video.
Michael, can you please do an entire series of reviving products please
Neat, I remember this in beta....
Man I can't wait for it to start serving ads on Live OneCare Rewritten, and then getting cease and desisted by Microsoft Disney.
wait wrong Rewritten.
lmao
This is quite honestly a dope, & unique fever dream.
man I miss those microsoft cases, they looked so nice
I used to update definitions by extracting mpam fe. File and pasting in definitions update folder and then restarting the onecare. I don't know if it works anymore or not.
Guys revive Onecare, they have the Raygun!
What if you attempt to place new ms defender signatures where the current signature is? (for example, windows xp ms defender still gets updated and it's closer in functionality to onecare)
Is Longhorn pre reset 2003 concept doable! I want that 3D login, plex desktop, sidebar, winfs with my pictures music vid etc stores (instead of draggable icon folders, everything was catalog lists with previews) that was an entirely different windows experience.
I wonder if you can be able to turn Security Essentials definitions to OneCare ones.
Would love to try out it Virus Detecting Ability! Follow up video trying various Viruses New and Old to see how good its detection rate still is/was?
This feels more better than windows defender current features
I remember this software on Windows Vista, Didn't even know it was around earlier then that until now.
It basically added on a lot of features that would later become intergrated by Windows 8-11 once the DOJ monitor left and stopped saying don't secure your own OS and kill that cottage business that breaks your is trying to secure it.
Thanks to MJD we have a wonderful project back! Let’s clap, everyone.
There's an Extras channel? SUBBED!!
I bought that brand new when it came out of worked for vista and XP and thing I loved about it bog down PC like other ones webroot was last av software I bought omg. That cool they re written one care I thought was great .however Windows security defenders is one care all grown up
You make the best videos
Good video, as always!
I hate the fact he completely missed out on bill gates threatening GeCad RAV's creator's family.
Does it run BOINC in the background? That's pretty cool, but wonder if it's supposed to be by default.
I wonder if its possible to take the definitions that are already available and up to date from defender.
Pls have a look at windows 7 touchpack it definitely deserves recognition
I think the virus update should stilL work, but it might require you to manual update the engine and definition. Base on what we saw as MPAM,which was same engine using in Windows defender antispware/Microsoft Security Essential/Microsoft Defender antivirus.
waiting for this to be tried on Windows 10 and 11 (but if you can go up the list from Vista to 11 to see what operating systems do with the software in question)
Great!
Well at least his EULA admits that Microsoft is in there rights to kill his project at any time. He's basically writing a patched setup to force install outdated security software that was replaced by Windows defender and some internal WIndows functions
I miss Windows Vista/7 styling
You should've tested it with a real virus from back then (one that is supported by the installed definition) to see how it handles this scenario.
I like how this program even the 2003 beta had that Windows Vista look or Longhorn I guess, pretty interesting stuff.
I never used this thankfully since it was kinda a rip-off given that all of this would become part of Windows a few years later and they were charging a monthly subscription for it! Brings back memories of the MSN client that was pretty useless too lol
NICE! A veery old antivirus is now working :)
What software do you use for your virtual machines?
Huh, I remember using the beta for this back in the day. Seemed like reasonably good, if perhaps a bit simplistic software.
Omg he mentioned the compaq portable video!
Wait, how did you get aero on your vm? both virtualbox and vmware arent working for me when it goes to aero support even with guest addons installed.
Ima need some onecare myself.
Next topic should be patching Live Writer to work with Blogger, and Live Photo Gallery to work with Google Photos, or maybe Instagram. Ooh, I'm so excited!
I like the COD Zombies revive in the thumbnail!
i enjoyed this kwite well
Wish there was a Microsoft package for Android replacing the need of a Windows OS
I never knew that was even a thing
One can use the onecare antiviurs program on old cd-rom at least 1 year older than the last virusefination but I would not count on finding all malware -Old cdrom that came with magazines were loaded with malware and browserjackers - virus seems to rare but not the malwares
Is there a way to still get updates from Windows XP defender
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