Ep4: AEC Routemaster London Bus Restoration - ENGINE DISASTER (Pt2)
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2020
- What to do when your Routemaster London double decker bus needs a new engine.
With the new engine fitted and ready to go will it start? Dave and Tim burn the midnight oil to try and get the bus out on the road again.
We own a fleet of vintage red London buses, each one the iconic AEC Routemaster London bus. Built in the 1960's they all need constant attention, so if you want to find out what it takes to keep a London bus on the road then make sure you check out our maintenance videos...
With the new engine fitted and ready to go will it start? Dave and Tim burn the midnight oil to try and get the bus out on the road again.
Here is the fourth in a series of videos following the restoration and repair of an AEC Routemaster London double decker bus. RM1214 is the latest AEC Routemaster to join the Routemaster4Hire fleet, but before she can carry passengers again we need to undertake some long overdue work on this iconic double-decker bus.
Also don't forget to check out our other videos of AEC Routemaster RM1214's restoration on this playlist...
• London Bus Restoration...
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Lovely sound of that engine took me right back to the 60s catching the bus to school in London. What lovely old ladies these routemasters are! Congratulations on your workmanship!
That sounds lovely, just like I remember.
What a marvelous piece of kit!
Hi guys once again another excellent video. It was nice to hear the sound of the old engine running again after all the hard work that you all had done. What is the top speed of the bus now? It was good to hear you’ve dropped the volume of the music as now that I can hear what’s going on in the background a lot more. So keep up the good work guys I look forward to your next video.
Thank you Lee, I think we got about 40mph out of the bus on the run to Llangollen.
they really are a beautiful Bus , such nice lines and character
Those night shots 😍
That new AEC engines got such a great sound 👌
When it was revving ,brought back memories.
Loved the sound of those AEC engines, it was seeing the engine start, looked resplendent from the 1960’s, had fish and chips today at Oakwood (Enfield). Best regards….
Thanks Jack.
@@Routemaster4Hire Regards from a very windy Trent Country Park in Enfield, too bad that bus was not local to ride on 👍.
Is that a 590 cu in engine which was the old 9.6Ltr, good engines, never fail to start, the first AEC i renovated was a Monarch and had sat in a field for 12 years, so went i went to buy it, I just primed the fuel pump, pushed it with a forklift, and within 5 or 6 feet she fired up that was a 7.7ltr, great engineering. Love the videos by the way.
Hi guys absolutely a professional video put together on a routemaster bus you need to make a DVD on these old routemaster buses. I used to go to scool on these routemasters always sat right at the front watching the driver changing gears and listening to the sound of the engine didn't want to get off the bus when I arrived at School I could have sat there all day long. It's nice to see them restored as they should be. Keep up the good work guys 👍👍👌
Thanks Kevin.
love the 53 blind i can remember the routemaster on the 53s wow i am old
Sounds lovely just as i remember them in the garage first thing in the morning before going out on the 190 or 68 from TC - More videos please look forward to hearing from my ex Purley Boys colleague FAS ET PATRIA !
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Engine bay gets my vote but not as much as that sweet AEC sound. Absolutely lovely once set up correctly.
Thank you Gary
Just discovered and subscribed to your Chanel. And now can’t stop watching
Your attention to detail is just brilliant. You must all be so proud of the fine work your doing to restore the bus . Keep up the the good work . The video editing is also great
Many thanks for the viewing pleasure
Hi Ian, really kind of you to compliment us, thank you for watching and subscribing. If you are not too bored of us by the weekend, there is a new video out this Sunday. We try and upload a new episode every 3 weeks.
Top job boys makes me think back to my bus days working on 680 Leyland Leopards, A E C 760 engines and 180 Gardeners simple but great engineering . Keep up the good work. Have you ever thought of fitting the AEC 760 in the busses .
Just viewed your engine change. Couple of items. I appreciate obtaining parts after so many years is going to be difficult.
Couple of items worth mentioning:
You swapped the injectors. Did you test them before fitting them to the replacement engine?
The fuel pump is the CAV version. How do you know the pump is working correctly? The alternative pump manufactured by Simms.
The small RM engine had the six stud flywheel fixing. The larger coach engine had the 12 stud flywheel fixing to deal with the additional power.
Did you pressure check the flywheel?
Did you replace the front and rear engine mountings?
It is probably the easiest engine change of all time.
We had to build two engines a day a Chiswick. The fleet at that time for LT and country bus, vast.
Keep up the good work.
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Hi Michael, many thanks for your comments.
We always enjoy hearing from ex-LT engineers like yourself. Building 2 engines a day was some going but I guess having all the right kit and tools made life a lot easier? To answer your questions...
The injectors were only recently overhauled so we knew they were good.
We have overhauled fuel pumps in stock - both CAV and Simms units so I knew the pump we fitted was working.
No we didn't not pressure check the flywheel.
The engine mounts were good so we did not need to replace, these were hard to find until recently - The London Bus Museum has recently had a new batch made.
Im not 100% sure but from memory I think there were 12 studs on the flywheel fixing - but I could be wrong!
Thanks for watching our videos, keep the comments/observations coming.
Maybe worry less about fancy video intos etc and just be you get channel going then get the fancy stuff. Shorter history of buses videos too will help. The shorts on youtube really expand viewers too
Truly amazing work! Keep it up!
Very interesting keep up the good work.👍
From a rm driver.lovley buses.
Enjoyed the videos keep them coming.
The greatest bus made, ever!
Knew she'd start. Never had any doubts
Great videos! Very interesting following your work and really well explained. Keep up the good work!
Very stylish videos guys easy to watch . Feeling the pain with the pandemic but hopefully the new year will create a 'bounce back ' of bookings ! Look forward to further videos of the restoration ,many thanks for letting us in
Excellent!
Hi guys you should put this on a dvd as I would definitely like to see it.
I have a couple of AEC blue and red wheel hub badges both with the three screw holes and without in pristine condition. I actually don't mind if they're a little sun faded. It gives them character.
You guys have serious skills and attention to detail tuning the engine note. What a sweet 1500rpm note this adorable diesel makes.
Love it!
I am assuming you are the " buffoon
you are taking about" hahahaha.
Are AEC the best of the bunch ?
if not who are....... I am learning
bits & pieces as l go along it is
so much fun , please keep going.😀
I think the videos are great and the content is superb my only comment I don’t think the music you play is very fitting. The music is a cross between an 18 to 30s Ibiza holiday and the itv2 show love island.
Good job done. But words fail me about the old engine. Plenty of idiots about in the mechanical trade. Care taken saves lots of heartache.
Rebuilding an engine yourself with care will give you faith to use it in the knowledge it will do a good job.
AEC engines iconic in any form.
This is why you really need to be careful where you take cars etc to be repaired. most of the garages local to me, that i have took my cars to, in the past. I have ended up having more problems with the car, than before it went into the garage. One garage nearly blew my engine up practically, by not sorting the timing out after a water pump change. Took it else where, they over timed the engine. In the end i needed up taking the car to an old school car tuner who sorted the full lot out. Cost me double of what it costed for the water pump! That was all down to a mechanic owner who i bought the car off, changing the timing belt but never bothered to replace the water pump, when he owned the car. He saw it in the garage who over timed it, and asked what was wrong with it. I told him straight. The lad now does not mend cars now, and i wonder why.
5 days!!! That’s not fair. We will wait then two will come along at the same time!
Hopefully it will be worth the wait Gary? 🤞
Routemaster 4 Hire I’m sure it will. Only thing better would be a spin out in it. Right enjoyed your Llangollen vid. Must be a nice route to drive. A66 looked pretty sweet as I drove over to Kirkby Stephen in RM378 for the Cumbria Easter rally. Really missed it this year, that and Llandudno.
Rattly old AEC! Love that idle..
Shit happens and YES you make the most of it! Keep up the great work! Very enjoyable content.
You guys have been doing Stirling work on Rm 1214! &keep up the great work! Gotta love the Sound of a Aec engine!
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I don't even have an interest in busses as a rule although I like locomotives and diesel engines etc but I love the channel, what sort of figure does a routemaster cost to buy in varying states of repair? And how many do you have? Maybe you can show us your collection?
Thank you Austin, glad you are enjoying our videos. Routemasters have not been selling that well recently but typically they can fetch anything between £25,000 to £55,000.
Lovely buses, lovely engines and hopefully more technical content on the bus restoration and engine rebuilds, like step by step within reason and please think about talking as you do the job and reduce that music track which to be frank gets very very repetitive repetitive repetitive repetitive.... Keep up the good work and why not ask for support on Patreon to rebuild the 690?
Those things don't sound half bad! Halfway makes me ponder importing one over here to the US that's had an unfortunate encounter with a low hanging obstacle, nip the damaged upper deck off, turn it into an RC airplane hauling rig.
Adelaide in Australia had rear engine transit buses with an even beefier sounding larger version of this engine (760 cubic inch vs 590) horizontally mounted pancake style hooked to a 2 speed ZF 2 HP500 automatic transmission. They sounded out of this world and had a passing resemblance to a GM New Look, as well as the fuel consumption!!
Another excellent episode. I like both the long and shorter versions, just happy to see the work being done. Will you be in Prestatyn this year???
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing sure enough but you have done a great job, it looks fantastic now.
I am not sure if this is true but I heard the original 590 engines were de-rated to help extend life and clean up exhaust. Do you know if this is true and were the 690 military engines similarly de-rated?
Did I see a slight leak in the middle if the injection pump or was that left over from bleeding the injectors.
Not sure Graham, if you can let me know where in the video you spotted this I will take a look.
@@Routemaster4Hire Hello David. The leak was between nos 2 and 3 injector pipes on top of the pump block. If like me you start a new system fuel bleed at the pump first where the injection pipe fits to the valve in the pump housing ( this way eliminating a possible blocked pipe) and once all fuel reaches each pipe, then go up to the injector and bleed there. It may have been the light reflecting off the diesel not cleaned up. Sorry if I caused you alarm.. if I lived in Wrexham I would be knocking on your door asking for a part time volunteer job. I fell in love with the RT then the RM back in 1969 when I left the army and until I got a job back in a workshop, I drove those buses out of Catford garage.
What annoys me is when someone does something that could have consequences, but don’t inspect to check if they have done damage, that’s just careless and begs for problems further down the road
Thanks guys! Questions many moons ago when I rode these buses I used to sit so I could see the driver and watch him change gear! Was or is it a preselect gearbox and you dip the clutch on takeoff.
Also, are these buses front or rear wheel drive? if rear how many carrier bearing do you have for that distance to the rear axle. :)
Should have picked up on the oil strainer problem in the first video, the damage is clearly visible at 3 minutes and 28 seconds. Could have saved the engine.
Hi, There my real Name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't all of you and your teammates could still be Rebuilding and Repainting a nice fresh shiny Volvo D10M, Gardner 6LXC that also will include most of the Scania N113 3 Speed Voith DIWA Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and this will also be including the Gardner 6LXB and Gardner LG1200 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the East London bus routes such as 168, 141, 275, 167, 20, 210, 179, 173, 313 and also the bus route 103 if you guys would like to Rebuild about 198 of Those Volvo D10M, Gardner 6LXC and the Scania N113 3 Speed Voith DIWA Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and that will also be including some of the Gardner 6LXB and Gardner LG1200 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses Please? We desperately need your and your Teammates' help and support in Bringing back those grey-green 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses again because we are Bigger fans of the patterns of those interesting colours of these Buses to be brought back again for all of us Grey Green bus Lovers out there in North London and East London bus route lovers so Please can Really Really bringing them back again for all of us Grey Green Bus route lovers out there in North London and East London lovers Pretty Please? and can you and your teammates could you and your teammates also put most of them on the London Bus routes such as the London bus route 30, N29, N41, 147, 221 and that is including the East London Bus route 86 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers out there in North London and East London Pretty Please? Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are the 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 147, 396, 56 and N26 for all of us in North London and East London Grey Green Bus Lovers out there because it would be a Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colours. I am a Big Fan of all of those Volvo D10M, Gardner 6LXC, Scania N113 3 Speed Voith DIWA Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and that will also include those Gardner 6LXB and Gardner LG1200 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support.
Seems odd not having a proper air cleaner/ filter fitted to the engine. Noted the little disc with 3 bolts stopping large debris getting into the intake, but running around London, wasn’t the engine liable to suffer ‘dusting’ sucking in grit laden air into the piston/bores eventually causing blow by and oil consumption.
I can remember London buses with a preselector gear box. Do Routemasters have one?
Yes that’s a lot of money for an overhaul but in my experience the big problem was replacement main and big end bearings. STD size were easy to obtain as AE Autoparts in their wisdom made a large batch but oversizes were virtually non existent which meant many engines were simply scrapped. As for other spares well I built up a good stock but after I retired unfortunately the clown running the company simply scrapped them.
undo the hoses on the heaters on the upper deck to bleed the air ouy
Interesting about the coolant topping up. In real life this was the RMs achillies heel. Hardly any drivers filled them properly. Thence lots of head gasket problems. Hardly ever a problem with the RT, but RMs..... a constant battle. In many respects the RM was a superior bus, if it wasn't for this. It brought out the poor cylinder liner / block design problem which the wet liner AEC engines suffered from.
That's an interesting comment Bob. Was it the drivers job to top up the buses? I would have thought it would have been the mechanics job to do this.
Hi There my real Name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't you and your teammates can still do those Rebuilding and Repainting those nice fresh shiny Gardner 6LXC, Gardner 6LXB, Volvo TD102KF, Gardner LG1200, and Cummins M11, 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RV Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the North London and East London bus routes such as 141, 168, 179, 210, 275, 125, 173, 24, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 226 of Those Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11, and Gardner LG1200, 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RV Buses can you and your teammates put most of those Gardner 6LXC and those Gardner LG1200 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RV Buses to those East London and North London and that especially is including the London Bus such as those London Bus Routes such as for example the N41, 341, N29, 86, 221 and will also be including the North London Bus Route Number 121 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers in North London and including East London For all of us passengers out there Pretty Please? could you Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are 341, 179, N41, 34, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 296, 262, 147, 396, 56 and N26 for all of us Grey Green Bus lovers out there because we are Really Really desperately needed Are those types of colour buses to be brought back again Please? Please do it for all of us customers and passengers in North London and living in those areas such as East London. because it will be Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colour. I am a Big Fan of those Gardner 6LXC, Gardner 6LXB, Volvo TD102KF, Gardner LG1200 and Cummins M11 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RV Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support.
Where did you get the Replica Stickers made for RM 1214 ? And also did you get for the Drivers side of the bus.
Hi David, Vicount International do the complete set... www.viscount-international.co.uk
Routemaster now looked after by pros.
Hi There my real Name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't most of you and your teammates can still do those Rebuilding and Repainting those nice fresh shiny Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11 and Gardner 6LXC 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the North London and East London bus routes such as 141, 210, 275, 20, 125, 173, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 207 of Those Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses can you and your teammates put most of those Cummins L10, Gardner 6LXC and those Leyland 680 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses to those East London and North London and that especially is including the London Bus such as those London Bus Routes such as for instance the 30, 121, N29 and 123 and will also be include the North London and also would be including the East London Bus Route like for example the 221 Bus Route Number 86 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers in North London and including East London For all of us passengers out there Pretty Please? could you Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 262, 147, 396, 56 and N26 for all of us Grey Green Bus lovers out there because we are Really Really desperately needed Are those types of colour buses to be brought back again Please? do it for all of us customers and passengers in North London and will also include Living in those areas such as in East London Pretty Please? because it will be going to be one of each of the Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colour. I am a Big Fan of those Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11 and Gardner 6LXC 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support.
How many Routemaster buses, in LT service, had the word "Routemaster" on the engine cover, as opposed to the driver's cab side, please?
Hi John, Initially they were all branded with a gold 'Routemaster' above the fleet number on both the bonnet flap and next to the drivers door. However LT eventually changed this and removed the 'Routemaster' and changed the fleet number from gold to white.
Hi There my name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't you Rebuild a nice fresh shiny Scania N113, Gardner LG1200, Gardner 6LXCT, Gardner 6LXC and Volvo TD102KF 3 speed Voith DIWA Northern Counties Palatine 1’s and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colour's just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the East London bus route's such as 125, 141, 210, 20, 173, 179, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 176 of Those Scania N113, Gardner LG1200, Gardner 6LXCT, Gardner 6LXC and Volvo TD102KF 3 speed Voith DIWA Northern Counties Palatine 1 Buses Pretty Please could you Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour’s and put them on those London Bus Routes witch are the 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 262, 147, 396, 41, 56 and N26 for all of us because it would be a Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colour's and I'am a Big Fan of all of those Scania N113, Gardner LG1200, Gardner 6LXCT, Gardner 6LXC and Volvo TD102KF 3 speed Voith DIWA Northern Counties Palatine 1 Buses Please?
which are the better engines of the 2 types ?
Good question, I guess its all down to personal choice... If you want originality the 590 would be your engine of choice, however the 690 engine is more powerful and has done far fewer hours, so for us my choice would be the 690.
@@Routemaster4Hire we had the other types here in ireland i the sixtys or seventys then we had the buses with square fronts and the 3 head lghts on each side now volvo plaxtons not that comfortable .
@@Routemaster4Hire I'm willing to bet you couldn't tell the two apart.
" Get that bus awt, you're late Butler!"
Nice one! :-)
If only they used RMs.
The backing music is to loud
Love the vids but please sort out the music levels I’m at setting 30 for the voice overs and 8 for the music, every time the music starts it frightens the life out of me.
thats why they sold it to you they knew that it was damaged thats pure lowsey .
£14,000 that's alottttttt!!!!!!
stephen the cost is £14,000 not £1400. 😢
Very sorry that is what I meant!!!!
hatafac seduce
Wow! Great work. However, I skipped the first couple of videos because of the music and although it's better, that beat and same tune is still over the top distracting. For examples of less is more, check MartyT or Drivetribe.
Hi There my name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't all of you and your teammates could still be Rebuilding and Repainting a nice fresh shiny Volvo TD102KF, Volvo D10A, Scania N230UD, Gardner 6LXB and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colour's just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the East London bus route's such as 168, 141, 20, 210, 24, 173, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 188 of Those Volvo TD102KF, Volvo D10A, Scania N230UD, Gardner 6LXB and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses Please? We desperately Need your and your Teammates' help and support in Bringing back those grey-green 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses again because we are Bigger fans of the patterns of those interesting colours of these Buses to be brought back again for all of us Grey Green bus Lovers out there in North London and East London bus route lovers so Please can Really Really bringing them back again for all of us Grey Green Bus route lovers out there in North London and East London lovers Pretty Please? and can you and your teammates could you and your teammates also put most of them on the London Bus routes such as the London bus route 123, N41, 86, 221 and that is including the North London Bus route 41 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers out there in North London and East London Pretty Please? Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are the 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 30, 262, 147, 396, 41, 56 and N26 for all of us in North London and East London Grey Green Bus Lovers out there because it would be a Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colours. I am a Big Fan of all of those Volvo TD102KF, Volvo D10A, Scania N230UD, Gardner 6LXB and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Enviro 400 MMC Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support?