Slow Loris Attack - Computerphile

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  • Denial of service usually relies on a flood of data. Slow Loris takes a more elegant approach, and almost bores a server to death. Dr Mike Pound explains.
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  • @mebezaccraft
    @mebezaccraft Před 7 lety +5351

    Express explanation: Imagine sending 100 old grandmas to a convenience store, with all of them trying to tell a story from their childhood to the cashier so that no other customers can buy anything.

    • @MegaZsolti
      @MegaZsolti Před 7 lety +443

      Yeah, while forgetting their stories halfway through and starting all over.

    • @ArunBasilLal
      @ArunBasilLal Před 7 lety +90

      You should be on ELI5 subreddit.

    • @Kodufan
      @Kodufan Před 5 lety +25

      shouldn't you be busy saving the world, Niko?

    • @godfreypoon5148
      @godfreypoon5148 Před 5 lety +13

      That variation of the attack is described in more detail in this video watch?v=tc_KJEwzq74

    • @danielsharp2402
      @danielsharp2402 Před 5 lety +26

      That's a clever IRL DoS.

  • @WAMProducties
    @WAMProducties Před 7 lety +4014

    The first rule of coding: All user input is evil.

    • @TechyBen
      @TechyBen Před 7 lety +321

      Second rule of coding: Checking rule 1 is NP-hard!

    • @TheTrueSmitch
      @TheTrueSmitch Před 7 lety +25

      Wouter Damen Ikr! All the parsing and data validation!

    • @greenanubis
      @greenanubis Před 7 lety +83

      Like life: cant trust anyone. But obviously thats not the optimal strategy.

    • @simonfrohlich7766
      @simonfrohlich7766 Před 7 lety +2

      So true!

    • @ibrax1
      @ibrax1 Před 7 lety +1

      +TechyBen
      Why is it NP-hard?

  • @Energya01
    @Energya01 Před 7 lety +1715

    This is now my favorite Denial of Service attack as well

    • @TheAnimystro
      @TheAnimystro Před 7 lety +6

      indeed

    • @chainingsolid
      @chainingsolid Před 7 lety +44

      same I was laughing alot at how simple but effective this is.

    • @CGoody564
      @CGoody564 Před 7 lety +17

      Chaining Solid not really effective anymore except for unpatched web servers. but yeah, genius in it's conception by using the artificial limits used to stop DDoS against the server to DDoS it anyway. lol

    • @RealNovgorod
      @RealNovgorod Před 7 lety +14

      Yeah, except it's useless because every sensible webserver has a connection limit per client or IP (something on the order of 2-10, beyond that you're blocked). It's true that it saves traffic, but there's no way around owning a botnet...

    • @murphy54000
      @murphy54000 Před 7 lety +5

      could just go through a few proxies/VPNs if you really needed to do it solo.

  • @hrnekbezucha
    @hrnekbezucha Před 7 lety +1787

    This is so beautifully evil it made me cry.

    • @power-max
      @power-max Před 7 lety +13

      Dr EVIL would be proud!

    • @dvdr14eb
      @dvdr14eb Před 7 lety +28

      Mojo Jojo would be proud

    • @RonJohn63
      @RonJohn63 Před 7 lety +12

      Cry? Like a girly man?
      This is so beautifully evil is makes me rage at myself for not thinking of it first!!

    • @sUmEgIaMbRuS
      @sUmEgIaMbRuS Před 7 lety +31

      And your comment made me WannaCry

    • @cameronbarrett9808
      @cameronbarrett9808 Před 7 lety

      Ambrus Sümegi a

  • @rikwisselink-bijker
    @rikwisselink-bijker Před 7 lety +303

    I understand why this is his favorite.
    And I like the gleam in his eyes for this one..

  • @dvdv7777
    @dvdv7777 Před 4 lety +34

    To add to that: Other webservers like nginx are not vulnerable to slowloris because they don't reserve a thread per connection. Instead, they have a worker thread pool. Each thread in that pool has a task queue. These threads run all tasks in their queues until the queues are empty. So, as soon as you insert a task in their queue, it eventually gets run. Every time a bit of data comes in from a client, a new task is created - "process this data". This task is then assigned to one of the worker threads whose task queue isn't full. The assigned thread then eventually runs the task. That way, even incredibly slowly arriving partial HTTP requests won't block anything, because the threads aren't exclusively reserved for handling one particular connection. The whole HTTP request handling is broken up into these small individual tasks instead.

    • @Dearth123
      @Dearth123 Před 4 lety +2

      I really needed this! Thank you for your clear writing.

  • @paul3562
    @paul3562 Před 7 lety +924

    All Mikes videos seem to be so simple to follow and his presentation makes you want to follow.... Where were you when I was at school?

    • @astropgn
      @astropgn Před 7 lety +80

      Yeah, he should have a dedicated channel

    • @bl33kselderij
      @bl33kselderij Před 7 lety +111

      It's also great how he has to add the obligatory 'don't really do this', but you can see in his eyes that he thinks this stuff is awesome ;-)

    • @dariusduesentrieb
      @dariusduesentrieb Před 7 lety +2

      would be cool, but i think its more complicate that it seems to be here

    • @DamagedSave
      @DamagedSave Před 7 lety +34

      I am at the Uni he teaches at, very nice guy in general. Can occasionally hear him talking in an office and wonder if a new Computerphile video is on the way :)

    • @astropgn
      @astropgn Před 7 lety +8

      DamagedSave Go talk to him! Say we would like to see his channel :P

  • @Gooberslot
    @Gooberslot Před 7 lety +668

    It seems weird that he's using the Ubuntu machine for browsing and the Windows machine for serving.

    • @tommessig2060
      @tommessig2060 Před 7 lety +61

      yeah, i was thinking the same thing. moreso that it's apache on windows.

    • @NickleJ
      @NickleJ Před 7 lety +183

      That's what I was thinking. Though if you're deploying apache with the specific intention of breaking it, maybe windows is the better platform.

    • @matek9975
      @matek9975 Před 6 lety +15

      it doesn't matter and it's faster to install server on windows than on linux

    • @nimisidiv9244
      @nimisidiv9244 Před 6 lety +6

      He'll be using the university network which will most likely be windows enviroments.

    • @johnfrancisdoe1563
      @johnfrancisdoe1563 Před 5 lety +7

      Nimisidiv Except the other machine is Linux. Anyway, installing Apatchy httpd on Linux is very fast it's an OS feature. But installing Monty Python etc. on Windows is harder than installing Apache, so if he only had those two machines it's just easier to do the python script on the Linux machine and use a badly configured toy web server on Windows as the target.

  • @Dusk-MTG
    @Dusk-MTG Před 4 lety +82

    Dr. Mike Pound: writes 67 lines of codes and breakes a site
    Me: writes 5000 lines of codes and my program is still useless.

    • @arttu1229
      @arttu1229 Před 4 lety +2

      Emanuele Giordano he didnt write it as he said

    • @baronvonbeandip
      @baronvonbeandip Před 2 lety

      Well, maybe you should drop H and do something in JS or Python

    • @reda29100
      @reda29100 Před 2 lety +1

      It's called denial of execution attack injected by the creator of the language to prevent your code from doing what you want it to do. Just like this very comment is denial of skill attack by me to prevent you ..
      [Okay, this joke took a mean turn, I'll stop now.]

  • @jelleverest
    @jelleverest Před 7 lety +828

    People calling themselves hackers because they did a DDoS attack, is like people calling themselves lock pickers for blowing up the safe.

    • @egonzalez4294
      @egonzalez4294 Před 7 lety +91

      Simple rule.
      If you can make money out of it then you are a real hacker.
      Otherwise you are just an aficionado.

    • @koohikoo
      @koohikoo Před 7 lety +129

      nah, script kiddie

    • @cookiesnmilkfilms9056
      @cookiesnmilkfilms9056 Před 7 lety +4

      Makes so much sense now

    • @martinkunev9911
      @martinkunev9911 Před 6 lety +17

      What is the relevance of this comment to the video?

    • @sixstringedthing
      @sixstringedthing Před 6 lety +28

      Eh, but then you've destroyed the contents of the safe, which isn't what a DDoS does. It would be more like throwing the safe off a bridge into very deep water. Or launching it into space on an extrasolar trajectory. And then proclaiming yourself to be the greatest safecracker of all time. :)

  • @osenseijedi
    @osenseijedi Před 7 lety +2000

    OMG! a computerphile that actually shows some code! Is it christmas or something?

    • @simonfrohlich7766
      @simonfrohlich7766 Před 7 lety +59

      Well, seriously, you could probably find the code fairly quickly or writ it yourself knowing the idea behind it, so...

    • @xanderlewis
      @xanderlewis Před 7 lety +140

      I'm pleased too, but computer science/computing isn't ALL about code. :)

    • @shala_shashka
      @shala_shashka Před 6 lety

      tru tru

    • @aakksshhaayy
      @aakksshhaayy Před 6 lety +13

      but its in a noob language like python

    • @tapwater424
      @tapwater424 Před 6 lety +138

      >noob language
      aakksshhaayy is living in 2080 with his "assembly code only" ideology

  • @mikopiko
    @mikopiko Před 7 lety +88

    I love these kinds of videos. My favorite one is when tom scott talked about the NTP attack method.

  • @WWxeroWW.WERWKWWF__WPWWW.-_WWW

    thanks gonna use this on the scientology website now

    • @aybmnn
      @aybmnn Před 7 lety +2

      lol

    • @ricodelta1
      @ricodelta1 Před 7 lety +104

      and if you did that on an islamic website, youd be called a racist

    • @Brutaltronics
      @Brutaltronics Před 7 lety +9

      they are gonna sue!

    • @DanDart
      @DanDart Před 7 lety

      My idea too

    • @Brutaltronics
      @Brutaltronics Před 7 lety +10

      they might be using apache, how can you tell before hand

  • @NeatNit
    @NeatNit Před 7 lety +350

    One of my favorite computerphile videos in recent memory!
    Will you cover how servers would defend against this technique?

    • @bidaubadeadieu
      @bidaubadeadieu Před 7 lety +6

      +
      Yeah I'd love to know this too.

    • @NikkiDimesYT
      @NikkiDimesYT Před 7 lety +32

      Use Lighttpd or nginx ;P

    • @sooooooooooomebody
      @sooooooooooomebody Před 7 lety +5

      I wonder how many Apache threads some normal Linux box could handle.

    • @brodaclop
      @brodaclop Před 7 lety +32

      One obvious answer is: don't spawn a new thread for every connection. If you keep your processing as lightweight as possible, attacks like this have a much smaller effect.

    • @sallerc
      @sallerc Před 7 lety +98

      You could also limit the number of open concurrent connections to the same IP.

  • @Aragorn450
    @Aragorn450 Před 7 lety +58

    I love how the amplifier was set to 11 :-)

  • @Remmes
    @Remmes Před 7 lety +89

    Wow that's such a clever attack.

    • @duminicad
      @duminicad Před 7 lety +1

      it is, but just glance at apache's documentation and you'll find timeouts for keep alives and "read timeout"

  • @aries_9130
    @aries_9130 Před 7 lety +96

    My God, this guy is so freaking amazing.

    • @aries_9130
      @aries_9130 Před 7 lety +13

      I don't really care for an accurate description as long as the concept behind it is described, which he did. If one were to want a more accurate description, I'm sure one could find one for themselves. I don't think that this video is meant as a walk-through to an exploit.

  • @May-wh1rt
    @May-wh1rt Před 5 lety +10

    I love the videos with Dr Pound, he's always so enthusiastic and speaks clearly.

  • @chairwood
    @chairwood Před 7 lety +199

    it would make things so much easier if viruses actually had the .virus extension like at 0:45

  • @jpeg1991
    @jpeg1991 Před 7 lety +63

    6:34 CTRL+SHIFT+R will refesh whilst ignoring the cache.

  • @lewisb8634
    @lewisb8634 Před 7 lety +16

    I could listen to Dr Pound explain things for hours. Such an interesting video! Thanks for the upload Computerphile :)

  • @mortenmoulder
    @mortenmoulder Před 7 lety +31

    I want Mike to explain RUDY as well! The most common DDoS attack methods would be awesome to hear more about. He explains it very nicely!

  • @Dearth123
    @Dearth123 Před 7 lety +1

    Always love to see the enthusiasm Dr. Pound puts in his explanations.

  • @diotough
    @diotough Před 7 lety +27

    Kind of a passive aggressive DOS. Totally agree … beautifully elegant and diabolical :D

  • @SebastianLopez-nh1rr
    @SebastianLopez-nh1rr Před 7 lety +21

    People! The first D in DDoS has a meaning, and it is DISTRIBUTED. If only one computer attacks, it's just a regular DoS.

  • @seamusfrederick2927
    @seamusfrederick2927 Před 7 lety +4

    Now it's my new favourite too..thanks for giving me ideas computerphile

  • @lesterjohnpulanco2579
    @lesterjohnpulanco2579 Před 4 lety

    ive been watching/listening your vids for 2 consecutive days while im at my work. it's so informative and how you deliver your explanations is so incomparable. i love it

  • @amaarquadri
    @amaarquadri Před 4 lety +1

    One of my favorite computerphile videos!

  • @GTOUranus
    @GTOUranus Před 7 lety +7

    Dr Pounds videos are the best by far.

  • @ShaharNacht
    @ShaharNacht Před 6 lety +45

    "Mike's Website"
    "It's purple"

  • @mohammadyousef2812
    @mohammadyousef2812 Před 4 lety

    i hope you guys don't stop uploading like these informative videos. they are pretty informative and well organized. keep going with these videos

  • @keyb0ard620
    @keyb0ard620 Před 4 lety +1

    Every video i see from Computerphile(Mike) i am totally in love how excited he explains everything he always infect me to try it out on my next customer...

  • @wmramsey26
    @wmramsey26 Před 7 lety +26

    It's rare that I get excited like a little kid anymore but when I saw a new Dr Mike Pound video in my feed I almost started jumping up and down clapping my hands lol

  • @greob
    @greob Před 7 lety +89

    Someone has registered their copy of Sublime Text... not sure if it's a good or bad sign.

    • @Phenom98
      @Phenom98 Před 5 lety +2

      I like the theme he's using so it's fine

    • @NeoKailthas
      @NeoKailthas Před 4 lety

      "Registered"

    • @maninthecrowd5076
      @maninthecrowd5076 Před 4 lety

      Maybe he also has a registered winrar somewhere.

    • @hexagonist23
      @hexagonist23 Před 4 lety +1

      Lol, he pays for software that is basically free. Look up VScode.

    • @kirschitz64
      @kirschitz64 Před 3 lety +1

      @@hexagonist23 or VSCodium if you don’t want to get your linux install dirty with Microsoftware

  • @Yaxqb
    @Yaxqb Před 7 lety +2

    Love these server and networking videos, keep 'em coming

  • @sebisuarez10
    @sebisuarez10 Před 2 lety

    I love how excited he is about this DoS and explaining it. The explanation really helped with my studies for CEH! THanks!

  • @R0craida
    @R0craida Před 7 lety +4

    Dude, I love these videos!

  • @CorneliusSneedley
    @CorneliusSneedley Před 7 lety +3

    Very interesting. We so often get told about what something like this does, but this is the first time I have ever seen such a thing actually demonstrated. And, nice to see a Linux box on this channel. :)

  • @alonsosa8272
    @alonsosa8272 Před 7 lety

    Excellent video! One of my favorites so far.

  • @bluekeybo
    @bluekeybo Před 5 lety

    One of my favorite Computerphile videos!

  • @sasjadevries
    @sasjadevries Před 7 lety +19

    You can just as well call it "the power of being lazy"

  • @exm3266
    @exm3266 Před 6 lety +5

    "The same person looking at the website really slowly 200 times"

  • @AnesuC
    @AnesuC Před 7 lety +23

    Yay Ubuntu, using it right now and have been for 3 years as my main OS. Used it before for like 2 or more years as a 2nd OS to play around with

    • @horseradish843
      @horseradish843 Před 7 lety +18

      Nobody cares m8

    • @ELYESSS
      @ELYESSS Před 7 lety +4

      good for you

    • @AnesuC
      @AnesuC Před 7 lety +4

      Speedyjens I was just sharing my experience with Ubuntu cos you rarely see people use it. If you don't care, you can skip along like everyone else does. I am sure you don't care about every CZcams comment and you generally skip along. This one shows you somewhat care to make the effort to reply to....

    • @horseradish843
      @horseradish843 Před 7 lety +1

      Anesu C You comment really had nothing to do with the video.
      *cough* alot of servers uses ubuntuu *cough*

    • @AnesuC
      @AnesuC Před 7 lety

      Speedyjens​​ They use Linux not specifically ubuntu, tha I have experienced first hand. Also it doesn't matter if it wasn't explicitly related to the topic, it's like watching a show and your favorite actor/singer/etc shows up. You will notice a lot of comments about that person rather than the topic of the show itself.... Just another note, this video pretty much covered the topic well, I had nothing else to add, hence I mentioned this instead.

  • @Gersberms
    @Gersberms Před 7 lety

    @computerphile: I love how the servers are in the cloud. You guys do great work!

  • @toastom
    @toastom Před 7 lety +23

    I love Mike's videos explaining how to do these attacks! I would never do them (I don't want to go to jail :) ), but they are really interesting. Keep 'em coming!

    • @joukevandermeijden2433
      @joukevandermeijden2433 Před 7 lety

      Thomas Gourley

    • @joepelletier6694
      @joepelletier6694 Před 7 lety

      do you honestly think that you could go to jail for this?

    • @svnhddbst8968
      @svnhddbst8968 Před 7 lety +6

      +joe 10001001 you absolutely would go to jail for a denial of service attack like this. if i'm not mistaken, it's a federal offense.

    • @joepelletier6694
      @joepelletier6694 Před 7 lety

      it depends who you do it to and how effective it is tho right?

    • @joepelletier6694
      @joepelletier6694 Před 7 lety

      large companies rely on a lack of public knowledge on tech and bribery to make things like dos illegal. if you think about it dos is a form of peaceful protest (when the participants are willing). using current event as an example, ddos attacks are analogous to a crowd of people standing in front of trump tower to prevent people getting in and by extension, trump making money. this dos attack is perfectly understood by this hypothetical scenario. you fine out that a restraint has been steeling credit card numbers, so you gather a group of 30 friends who each take a table, then when a waiter comes to get their order they ask for 5 more minutes. in my opinion, you and your friends are not committing a crime, any loss in profit that the restaurant is facing is their fault because they chose not to kick you out.
      and with the normal ddos attack you are simply peacefully protesting (if you are using a botnet and not and not a community who agrees and wants to help the cause) you are guilty of a different crime.

  • @joebazooks
    @joebazooks Před 7 lety +3

    beautiful

  • @guywiththebottle
    @guywiththebottle Před 5 lety +1

    Mike is great in front of a camera. Good at explaining and charismatic!

  • @userou-ig1ze
    @userou-ig1ze Před 7 lety

    thanks so much, the info is gold and the way you present it is perfect

  • @SuperWerdooo
    @SuperWerdooo Před 5 lety +16

    I don’t know shit about programming but it’s always fun to see a nerd talk about their passion lmao

    • @Creepkido
      @Creepkido Před 5 lety

      your profile pic is intresting lol

  • @KittyBoom360
    @KittyBoom360 Před 7 lety +4

    I was giggling the whole time thinking this is my favorite too.
    So how is the wild dealing with this? Are servers cutting off slow connections now but the cutoff point is like where the battles are fought?

  • @blucat4
    @blucat4 Před 4 měsíci

    I love Mike Pound's videos, especially this one. Cheers. 🙂

  • @freegameLP
    @freegameLP Před 7 lety +1

    Wow, this attac honestly is quite beautiful

  • @PlasmaHH
    @PlasmaHH Před 7 lety +10

    Err, wait, we were using that in the 90s all the time, I always thought there had been countermeasures implemented even back then...

    • @garryiglesias4074
      @garryiglesias4074 Před 7 lety +5

      You don't need a thread per socket... A thread could handle "thousands" of slow socket...
      This is a design problem in a "optimisation" done on the Apache server. As he said, not all http server have this weakness.

    • @PlasmaHH
      @PlasmaHH Před 7 lety +3

      Hendrik-Jan Smit You might want to research the C10k problem. For one you can make connection handling much much more effective, also you can rather easily detect a client misbehaving this way and block it.

    • @depravedone
      @depravedone Před 7 lety

      As Morgan says, "Everything gets a return"

  • @NeonsStyleHD
    @NeonsStyleHD Před 7 lety +8

    This guy reminds me a lot of that guy that played Spiderman in the movies.

  • @Plan36c
    @Plan36c Před 4 lety

    Such an elegant explanation

  • @Toimi
    @Toimi Před 5 lety

    That is so clean and elegant.

  • @DantalionNl
    @DantalionNl Před 7 lety +6

    These videos are fun but I would have liked to see a part about how not to get downed by such a attack especially since a large portion of viewers possible has a website or server somewhere since most of us are working with computers every now and again.

    • @dustinjames1268
      @dustinjames1268 Před 7 lety +1

      I agree. Not much substance to this video without preventative measures.

    • @user255
      @user255 Před 7 lety

      Just drop the connection if it is unrealistically slow.

    • @DantalionNl
      @DantalionNl Před 7 lety

      user255
      Sure could you give a example of how to setup a iptable rule or apache configuration that would do this for me then?

    • @user255
      @user255 Před 7 lety

      Dantali0n I think I spoke too soon... it is not as easy as I thought. But check this:
      insights.sei.cmu.edu/cert/2009/07/mitigating-slowloris.html

  • @MD-pg1fh
    @MD-pg1fh Před 7 lety +4

    Would you say the server technology is "a patchy" one?

  • @omkhard1833
    @omkhard1833 Před 3 lety

    best explaination ............ I am blessed to watch a Channel like computerphile, david bombal etc

  • @Kali9030
    @Kali9030 Před rokem

    Randomly ended up here and really enjoyed the demo.

  • @gtcfktu
    @gtcfktu Před 7 lety +61

    So....What's the fix? how to prevent such an attack?

    • @moaqyigl
      @moaqyigl Před 7 lety +47

      I would think having a hard timeout on connections (as in having any single connection not be longer than a few seconds) would work, although it might make accessing the site from a very slow connection impossible.

    • @TurkishLoserInc
      @TurkishLoserInc Před 7 lety +44

      Any server that doesn't have one thread dedicated for each socket will fair well against this attack. Nginx can handle 10k concurrent connections, probably more of these "pseudo"connections

    • @ELYESSS
      @ELYESSS Před 7 lety +3

      I don't know but maybe limit the number of connections per user or don't use apache?

    • @stensoft
      @stensoft Před 7 lety +26

      +Natanor That would not work. Apache already has hard timeout for requests but the script recreates each connection that was closed by the server.
      +ILYES You can limit the number of connections from an IP address but that may make your website unuseable from some large companies or organisations that have only a few external IP addresses.

    • @chainingsolid
      @chainingsolid Před 7 lety +24

      I would try solving it by prioritizing the faster connections and having lower time outs.

  • @SimonHuenecke
    @SimonHuenecke Před 4 lety +4

    Is it possible to combine this attack with IP Spoofing, so that the IP adr is never the same? It would look like 200 different slow people would look at this at a time.

    • @dneendcreeper3239
      @dneendcreeper3239 Před 4 lety +1

      Even better than that, the packets are so small that you can easily route them through the Tor network, maybe even with a separate connection for each socket. (Depending on the per socket timeout)

  • @badgerlife9541
    @badgerlife9541 Před 7 lety

    That was educational and so fun to watch at the same time :) thanks for making this video! Please continue to show more code/ link code in the description.

  • @BrunoJuncklaus
    @BrunoJuncklaus Před 7 lety

    Dr. Pound is always so good.

  • @Pumbear
    @Pumbear Před 4 lety +8

    It's the modern equivalent of standing behind 200 grandma's at the post office.

  • @leungchinghim
    @leungchinghim Před 7 lety +8

    now I know how to break my website, but how can I defend it?

    • @recklessroges
      @recklessroges Před 7 lety

      #firewall might fix this for you
      ip6tables -I INPUT -p tcp --syn --dport 443 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 10 -j DROP
      iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --syn --dport 443 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 10 -j DROP

    • @wood_croft
      @wood_croft Před 7 lety

      Can you elaborate? I assume that drops the slow connections, right?

    • @unaliveeveryonenow
      @unaliveeveryonenow Před 7 lety +1

      I assume it limits the number of connections per IP to 10 on port 443. This might ban an entire country.

    • @unaliveeveryonenow
      @unaliveeveryonenow Před 7 lety

      ***** Qatar has only one public IP. Everything I say is 100% serious.

    • @unaliveeveryonenow
      @unaliveeveryonenow Před 7 lety +1

      ***** I don't know either. A different situation: a bunch of governments are blocking a lot of sites. If one were to use Tor to bypass it he would have found that some CDNs are blocking Tor IPs. I guess these are rare cases and generally shouldn't be worried about.

  • @Pscribbled
    @Pscribbled Před 7 lety +1

    This guy is the best computerphile host!

  • @mynameismichael123
    @mynameismichael123 Před 7 lety

    love the spinal tap reference on the amplifier

  • @enoua5222
    @enoua5222 Před 7 lety +3

    I accidently did this to my own server

  • @TwiiKuuTF2
    @TwiiKuuTF2 Před 7 lety +4

    It goes up to 11

  • @nou1438
    @nou1438 Před 5 lety +1

    THis is one of my favorite videos

  • @Aemilindore
    @Aemilindore Před 5 lety

    Such a lovely video.

  • @AxeLea3
    @AxeLea3 Před 7 lety +40

    This is the funniest DDOS

    • @AxeLea3
      @AxeLea3 Před 7 lety +8

      Where you're right, you're right. Thanks for your clarification

    • @dzikiLOS
      @dzikiLOS Před 7 lety +5

      I'd like to give props to both of you guys - nidefawl for giving proper explanation and Axel for taking the lesson. If only internet was full of people like you! ;)

    • @AxeLea3
      @AxeLea3 Před 7 lety +6

      +dzikiLOS I guess the Internet will never be full of people like the ones in this comment section -_-
      But that's more in a conjunction to people in general. not the web

    • @breadleymcthicc5444
      @breadleymcthicc5444 Před 5 lety

      @nidefawl I'd thought it would be, given the amount of connections, and all of them distributing a connection. I don't know, though, because I have hardly any experience with any form of coding.

  • @goeiecool9999
    @goeiecool9999 Před 7 lety +8

    While watching this video.... I casually used my toe to start up my ubuntu web server.... No reason....

  • @IntheBleak
    @IntheBleak Před 7 lety

    That is so dastardly and elegant.

  • @realeques
    @realeques Před 7 lety

    I want more from this guy ! He is the best!

  • @AmxCsifier
    @AmxCsifier Před 7 lety +11

    What's the solution?

    • @boothegoopc8417
      @boothegoopc8417 Před 7 lety +54

      Typewriters and postage stamps

    • @Hypernerdwithcam
      @Hypernerdwithcam Před 6 lety +2

      boothegoo pc No, iptables

    • @critico4396
      @critico4396 Před 6 lety +4

      Design a thread to handle all the slow connections? ---> Two lorises having fun chatting with each other...

    • @porsche911CarreraRSR
      @porsche911CarreraRSR Před 6 lety

      That's not an automatic solution though right? You need an administrator to recognize the problem and block their IP right?

    • @critico4396
      @critico4396 Před 6 lety

      @Yanni mouzakis I have no idea. Even if it's possible to handle/consolidate slow connections automatically, it just make the attacker pay as much resource as the server in the end.

  • @Humance
    @Humance Před 7 lety +30

    Ubuntu, Sublime Text and Python. I like that!

    • @Yuzuki1337
      @Yuzuki1337 Před 5 lety +1

      Daniele Dal Col Aka the "I just enlisted in an IT course but Ill still call myself a real programmer already" starter package :)
      /s

  • @Anubis10110
    @Anubis10110 Před 6 lety

    he is such an amazing Prof, great understanding, perfect knowledge.

  • @MrReese
    @MrReese Před 3 lety +2

    I love this and the fact that he also loves it and tries to hide that he loves it makes it even better :D.

  • @modernkennnern
    @modernkennnern Před 7 lety +17

    0.:55, look at that amp. 11 :P

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    @jahobr Před 7 lety +5

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  • @tho207
    @tho207 Před 7 lety

    loved the video. also please tell Mike to retake neural nets series, I'm eager to see more

  • @cat47
    @cat47 Před 4 lety

    This is awesome, I love this attack. I tried it out on a google site I made and it made the site really slow, but I didn’t feel like waiting for the site to go down.

  • @TheActualTed
    @TheActualTed Před 4 lety +5

    Apache opening a new thread be like: *"Haii! I'm Mr. Meeseek, look at me!"*

  • @kushy3531
    @kushy3531 Před 7 lety +10

    Am i the only one who only likes this guy? :o

    • @contingenceBoston
      @contingenceBoston Před 7 lety

      Nope.
      And I'll bet I'm not the only one who is happy to a Linux box from my own Linux box.

  • @luiss7989
    @luiss7989 Před 7 lety

    This is great for testing how much HTTP requests a server can handle aside from simulating a DOS attack it can really show you how much your server can handle.

  • @giorgio1apple
    @giorgio1apple Před 7 lety

    This video is brilliant.

  • @hellterminator
    @hellterminator Před 7 lety +5

    6:03 Dude, that's a public IP.

    • @willway1234
      @willway1234 Před 7 lety +6

      It's probably local for the University, their local IP address usually look like public ones.

    • @ZacharyClaretScott
      @ZacharyClaretScott Před 7 lety

      Probably public, Universities often give out public IP's to clients

    • @hexagonist23
      @hexagonist23 Před 4 lety

      @@willway1234 Yes, it is.

  • @chongjunxiang3002
    @chongjunxiang3002 Před 7 lety +14

    Talking about DDoS, well, a lot of disappointed Americans did it to Canada Immigration Department, should it count as DDoS?

    • @anonymousyoutubeguy7940
      @anonymousyoutubeguy7940 Před 4 lety

      So are you like the maple version of a Trump supporter. "Damn Americans, comings here too lazy to make hockey sticks like the rest of us; coming here go'n take my job at the hockey stick factory."

  • @Llamaboy117
    @Llamaboy117 Před 7 lety

    Awesome video, great explanation.

  • @abhishekramchandran7855

    The SYN flood is a more prevelant kind of DOS. Awesome video!

  • @Tuchulu
    @Tuchulu Před 7 lety +6

    Where can I download that brownish windows theme?

    • @MikeTheFailboat
      @MikeTheFailboat Před 7 lety +11

      It's actually a different operating system, a Linux distro called Ubuntu.

    • @CRT601
      @CRT601 Před 7 lety

      not windows

  •  Před 7 lety +32

    Nginx, need I say more?

    • @noredine
      @noredine Před 7 lety +2

      yes, say more please

    •  Před 7 lety +9

      I'll say that I used Apache 2.2 and then 2.4 for a few years and I'm so happy that I switched to Nginx.

    • @noredine
      @noredine Před 7 lety +1

      thanks for more :)

    • @pr0kris
      @pr0kris Před 7 lety +2

      Or Node.js

    •  Před 7 lety +2

      Ljón That's quite different though.

  • @sarys73
    @sarys73 Před 5 lety

    Dude you get so excited when explaining these things, I find that I end up smiling from start to finish, and in the end my smile slowly fades after a minute or so. lol

  • @TheSilverGate
    @TheSilverGate Před 4 lety

    Dude, I love your videos. 👏

  • @18tn
    @18tn Před 7 lety +110

    my school website is going down :)

    • @OwenPrescott
      @OwenPrescott Před 7 lety +93

      Jails website is going down.

    • @fnvtyjkusg
      @fnvtyjkusg Před 7 lety +42

      enjoy school

    • @15Redstones
      @15Redstones Před 7 lety +31

      put a link to a batch file in a public directory of the school computer system that opens a window that says "I just learned batch!" like a program made from a tutorial so if someone opens it hes just like "k, someone accidentally put this file in the public folder" but it also launches the Slow Loris program as that curious person who opens it. Nobody can see who put that file in the public folder, even if they figure out that when you are curious to open that myfirstbachfile.bat you launch a DDOS on the school site in the background.

    • @toastom
      @toastom Před 7 lety +15

      15 Redstones That's genius! Sadly, I'm too scared to even try to do that, because I'm afraid of getting caught. Sometimes I like to fantasize about this kind of stuff, too, but I'd never do it.

    • @15Redstones
      @15Redstones Před 7 lety +5

      Thomas Gourley I wouldn't do it either, because I'm actually in our IT club and working on the school homepage, so I am working on making sure that nobody can XSS or SQL-Inject it. Altough maybe I would try it on the local server where we test stuff, since it's our server it would be legal to hack it if I ask my teacher first.

  • @TheAkashicTraveller
    @TheAkashicTraveller Před 7 lety +7

    Why not just go: Oh we have a few hundred stupidly slow connections; they're probably not legitimate; lets, for now, decrease the time out, any lost legitimate slow connection are just an acceptable loss.
    Edit: Actually you'd probably have to create a new time out that drops the connection regardless of weather it's still sending data.

    • @trbry.
      @trbry. Před 7 lety +1

      sounds like a solution a business owner would agree with.

    • @stensoft
      @stensoft Před 7 lety +9

      That is already implemented in Apache, requests have hard limit after which they are dropped. However, the script simply reopens every connection that the server closed. A few legitimate requests may skip through but that would hardly make a shop useable.
      The correct solution is to use a web server that does not spawn a new thread for each connection (usually as a reverse proxy that will collect and resend requests if you still need Apache for your website). Then they can easily handle tens of thousands of such connections.

    • @TeeDawl
      @TeeDawl Před 7 lety +2

      That has the problem that the attacker still just opens up new requests. Even if you drop all of the connections quicker, the attacker will also open requests quicker. So the attacker still eats up your threads.

    • @ericsbuds
      @ericsbuds Před 7 lety

      I wonder if there is a way that Apache servers can implement a non thread based connection scheme or something. There must be a common fix or prevention method if half of all webservers are running the most vulnerable system!

    • @TeeDawl
      @TeeDawl Před 7 lety +1

      ericsbuds "non thread based" do you even know what threads are?

  • @AleDag93
    @AleDag93 Před 6 lety

    Good job with the videos, they're really interesting. It would be nice if you also showed how one could defend the server from such attacks

  • @dwietr
    @dwietr Před 7 lety +2

    You got to love those layer 7 attacks, abusing services with ...