REPOINTING STONE WORK (Part 7)Mike Haduck Ropeing, Grapevine, cement joints.
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2016
- In this video Mike Haduck shows some of the old school style of ropeing or grapevine cement joints, this style was popular from the 1920s to the 1960s, I show the basics on how it was approched, all my videos are my ways and ideas, I always suggest anyone doing anytype of work to consult professional help
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Mike you're a true masonry artist!! I as well as others learn a lot from watching your videos and I want to thank you for taking the time to show each step of the job at hand so fully and completely. A Big Thumbs-Up' to you and all your videos Mike.....Thank You!!
I appreicate it,, just passing along what I learned from others, thank you, mike
mike ive become addicted to your channel
Thanks Vermilion, I appreciate it. mike
Great video,I finally get how it's done..been asking around and no one knew,lost art indeed...thanks.
thanks Dayv, I appreciate it. mike
Watching again … thanks for all the vids
Thanks T.E.P., Mike
These videos are so good. They're full with tricks, facts, and understanding in a nice short complete video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Hullk,,,, Mike
Hey mike great video I’m a 28 year old mason from Philly and I specialize in restoration work I was taught by my father and we match pointing on lots of old buildings in pa. We do everything from ribbon pointing or what you call grapevine pointing to German v joint or ridge joint pointing to butter joint pointing on old brick houses in philly. I really enjoy your work and appreciate your insight. Thanks for sharing your time and skills! Your the man Mike!!!!
Thanks Max, I appreciate hearing that from a professional, I means I am on the right track, Thanks, Mike
Loved the video Mike thanks for sharing your knowledge, everyday is a school day.
Thanks, Mike
Hi Mike, Thank you for your videos, because I didn't know anything about masonry before watching you. I live in the Willamette valley, so most of the stone here is basalt. I've purchased Molalla flagstone for stair treads, but it's expensive! The house I bought has a lot of old stone work inside and out. I started by doing matching repairs, then reworked some shoddy work that someone added later, and have gone on to build retaining walls and stairs to improve drainage. I work so slowly that it's pathetic, but it holds together and looks good. I couldn't have done it without you! You're a great mentor. This video on roping looks like it would be very difficult. But as you said, practice practice practice. Thanks again!
very true, I was a little shakey doing this video and as you say you get better as you go, thanks mike
All excellent videos by the way. I'm older now but I still look to see what others are doing and I really like stone work and masonry...maybe I was a wall builder in a previous life. IDK...
THANKS SO MUCH ...from Northern Illinois.
By the way ...Chicago has some nice examples of older brickwork that is well worth the trip.
Thanks Tommie, I appreciate,it, mike
Legend I'm watching all videos, I'm in England so the techniques are little different to here but learning so much, and giving me other ideas, keep doing those videos honest Mike
thanks, I appreciate it, Mike
You're an excellent Mason Mike, keep up the great work (30 years later lol)!
I appreciate the comment, thanks, mike
Great video,Mike.
Thank you. Al.
Thanks AL, mike
Watched many of your video's because it is a pleasure to watch a young man carry forward the art of my grandfather who built churches on the east coast in the 30-50's that was handed down to my father then to me in the early sixties. I am now "long in tooth" and although I would need a 10 ft crowbar now to roll a stone that I would have easily picked up in one hand and loaded a wheel barrel in the other at one time, the power plant cells remain intact. ;-) Here in Philly we would call that joint a Ribbon Cut. We made cutting tools different widths from band saw blades set into a notched out carved broom handle (who could afford otherwise) and in those days heavily taped to keep it in place. One local quarry here Langhorne blasted the most difficult of all stones for facia appearance with the irregularity and awlful color combination to layup and it was left to the masons to make it APPEAR acceptable. Thus the Ribbon "projection" cut was introduced (now this joint had been around for centuries) and the most horribly faced stone now became a perfectly faced squared out conformation.Now Langhorne stone was junk splitface compared to Germantown and Valley Forge quarries but was dirt cheap..until....bingo the Ribbon raised the price. You could still wire rake recess joint but the ribbon bellowed craftsmanship. The term "grapevine" although occasionally used when my grandfather hired foreign brick masons (funny because he could not speak a word of English being Italian) from Scotland was the term they used for the tool they used that created a grapevine effect when pointing their brick work. The grapevine brick joint on a Flemish bond wall was particularly pleasing. Whatever, as my father would say, "call it what you wanted but it had better have the "look" from three feet up to 7 ft" that being where the binocular eyes are concentrated and could pick up deficiencies. He would put the best masons in this target area and above that the less than gifted and trainees(me) where you would make your money with speed. I am really running on here, but one day a brickee from Ireland his first day, asked my father how may bricks he expected to be laid in a day if he was on the line in the middle of the wall....well..I can't say my fathers face turned red with anger, being fairly dark skinned but he was a bit heated and said ..." I don't care if you lay one brick all day but you better lay it fast". That Brickee, Archie stayed with my father and myself for 33 years. He was indeed not only fast but clean, but clever and a mathematical wizard. His butter joints were as perfect as could be and on porcelain I would just stand in amazement. When the wall was being washed everyone knew where Archie's work was. He would say you can just spit on my work and it will shine. The best brickee I have ever seen and now where I am will ever see. My father and Archie became close friends and had many a fight in the bars having a cold one in Philly after a hard hot day. In Philly there was a long held taboo about the Irish and the Italians. Well when these two heavyweights got together it didn't matter what nationality you were. You were in for a rough not in Jericho. Ahhh..... to reminisce about the old days and the characters who once stood here now long past.
One more thing.....the "Rope" joint was fashioned from bronze pipe in whatever radius you would need to create the rounded peak of the joint. We would take a piece of pipe say 10" long 3/4"" in diameter and split one end ( cut with a hack saw) up about 4-5" and bend the pipe in a "S" shape to the handle. then we would pound out the handle to our particular liking and increase the thickness with tape or whatever you like (Popsicle sticks and tape worked well) and plug the handle end and flatten out your thumb plate. You can use copper but copper is soft and on a day where you are caught and pressing the copper weakens real fast and will lose shape. You must remember to grind down the leading edge of the tool in sled type formation on both sides and the front for clearance when pulling the tool in. Going out makes no difference but if you are coming in on your joint the edge will ride on your work and your forming tool will suffer but it will take the shape of the stone work your tool is following. Today I would imagine you could make one from plastic or schedule 40 pipe.
Great job Mike. I've done a few jobs in Philadelphia like that. We call these joints ribbon joints. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Bobby, I never heard that one before, thanks for sharing, mike
Mike's the man!
Thanks Dave, mike
Thank you for this video, I've been looking on how to do this and didn't know the name of this technique. This is awesome, thank you!!
Thanks Jose, mike
Mike you have the patience of a Saint. Beautiful. Thank you. I guess you can figure out what I'm getting ready to do. So, a screwdriver, my daughter's toothbrush and I'm good to go.
Thanks Dolores, I hope your fine, mike
keep doing the videos mate, I'm working my way through them
thanks, Chris, I will, mike
Well, i am now introduced in this video to C sand and white Portland . Great vid,Mike .
Thanks Albert, I hope it helps. God bless, mike
Nice technique Mike thanks for sharing!
I appreciate it, thanks mike
Mike, the wall below the front porch of my parent's row home in south Philadelphia is build of stone and the exterior joints have square roping. I really enjoyed watching you and learning.
Thanks E. , I appreciate it, mike
Even when I consider the result as ugly, the craftsmanship is adorable. Thanks Mike!
Thanks Lasse, Mike
I can remember the first time i was ever in Philadelphia, i saw that and thought how did they do that, anyway i seen a home made one out of a 3” piece of 1” steel channel. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks Len, Mike
hey great video. never new how they did that great job
thanks , i thought it would make an interesting video, mike
Nice work. It’s a variation of tuckpointing that was done primarily on brickwork in Georgian buildings in the UK to give the appearance of fine joints of a quarter inch or even less.
Thanks Bill, Mike
Thanks again!
We call tuck pointing in UK Mike spot on job you are doing not many good Mason left 🍻👍
Thanks again Tom, Mike
I ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT THIS...THANKS.
I just like to learn...I wouldn't ever so it but like to know new stuff.
I have a question...I thought thry used tho pastry type bags...lol. what are those for.
I appreciate it , thanks mike
that's actually a very cool look
Hi Psycho, yea old school for sure, thanks mike
Iv always wanted to know how to do this I see a fare bit of it here in Ireland and wondered how it was done I am a plaster but I like to know how to do all types of masonry as I do all types from time to time thanks Mike your an excellent trades man by the way keep up the great work
It is great to hear from Ireland, lots of beautiful stone work there, thanks mike
like your technical ways of doing this! my way is I use a grout bag in the joints then do the reverse struck joint!
Hi Gabe, yep lots of different ways to do it. anything that works, thanks mike
It looks like a very labor-intensive process. And I would bet that it's not cheap.
Hi 15, it was used a lot up till about tha 1930s, when everybody was a stone mason and labor was cheap, I still remember some old timers doing it in the 60s, thanks mike
Hi Mike! I love your channel. I discovered it last year when I was trying to find out about "ribbon jointing" on stone walls. Although you don't seem to have a video about that topic, I got the confidence I needed to do the job from your teaching. Thanks!!! Also, I'm sorry to see you now have ads on your videos - blah!
thanks, I have heard of ribbon jointing but not sure exactly what it is, I know in every area it is called something different, I don't know much about what adds they put on, when you get involved with adsence,,,,,, I know I don't chose or put any on adds myself, i try to keep it infomative rather than sell aything,,, but it helps , I appreciate it, thanks mike
Hey mike down here in philly they call ropeing ribbon pointing especially on the square joints just a different name same type of pointing tho
And as always your the man mike!!!
We call that ribbon pointing old timer lol your a free craftsman mike your the man come down to Philadelphia we need stone masons 39 a hour
Hi Michael, I appreciate it. but my retirement is at hand. lol, thanks mike
Hey Mike where can you buy white Portland cement?
After you put you first bead always pull the next one into the previous one it works slot better, looks good though.another tipp when you buy a beading tool hit it with some sandpaper and you will get a better working tool.in Milwaukee Wisconsin we call it a beaded joint
Thanks Mars, mike
I saw brickwork on historic buildings in the Netherlands that had the mortar extended like this. All I could think was that it was a style from that area. The buildings were several hundred years old, made of red brick.
Thanks Mike, Mike
Great video, and thank you much . Lol they where freak lol
Thanks cheff,, Mike
Looks great when all done , but wow it takes a long time to do , i cant imagine doing a big long wall .
Thanks rocco, yep lots of time, Mike
Very interesting.....we don't see that in so called, I've never seen it actually but we are very "young" compared to east coast
Thanks Kirk, Mike
The job is at an old cemetery. They ran out of space for plots. Now going to construct a columbarium and want the stone striking to match the work on the original caretaker building.
I've seen a lot of that type of striking and always wondered how they did it.
Thanks Patrick, Mike
Great video ,as i my have a small grape vine job coming up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great Albett, I got to admit I could have been a little better at it, but as always you start where you practice where no one will see it and then when you get it up to the front where they will, I hope it works out, mike
+Mike Haduck Thank you ,Mike .
Hi Mike , thanks for a great video and very informative info , Mike can you direct me to were you would buy different sizes for grapevine or Roping or as I know them Ribbon joints tools or the jointers your using as you stated you have store bought ones at 5:28 mins, the off shelf ones at or what names you would call them if buying via Amazon etc . Great videos , thanks for the tips .
Ho Tom ,, usually they are all home made, some were jointers bent backwards, have not seen any around in years, thanks ,mike
I don't believe I have seen this before. Nice and neat. Back around the 1970s, one of the styles was to over fill joints with the mortar squeezed out. Did you ever do some of that work? I rarely see it today.
I have seen a lot of styles for sure, and I remember one job they did not even wanted it raked or jointed out, so everybody has their own styles and likes for sure, thansk mike
hey Mike did ya ever try a dinner fork with the two inside prongs cut out and a straight edge does the job retired mason ireland
Hi Juiiane, yes , I have seen it done that way, I appreciate it. mike
thanks
Thanks Michael, Mike
Thanks Ana, mike
i've got a 3 story stone chimney with beautiful grapevine joints here in california. done with a red/salmon pigment. built in 1921. not a single crack to be found. although the weight of the bastard sunk the edge of the basement about 3 inches.
Hi Joe, yep a lot of weight to stone, Mike
What kind of stone is this Mike? I love the look of this and might do this around my house. Between the ground and siding.
Hi Erwin, it’s just a sandstone, easy to face, I don’t think there’s any direct name for it, I hope it helps thanks Mike
The sample panel you did was was awesome. Love the look. Would love to do a job like that one day. But how many feet can a guy do in a 9 hour day?
Hi John, maybe 60 70 square a day, thanks mike
Hi Mike !
Artes plásticas are a daily job for U
Hi Legal Man, I am not sure but thanks , mike
Actually learned something never heard of this type of jointing before how well does it hold up tho ?looks pretty good though
Thanks Marlin, like anything, if it's out of the weather it last, thanks Mike
Hey Mike, I have worked on and off in the masonry trade for years. I have done lots of pointing but not much “roping”. In a situation where I would be doing a grind out and repoint on a few sections of a wall how long would you recommend waiting before adding the roping joint after repointing the main joints? I have heard the same day, later after the base layer that was repointed has set up? I have also heard the following day? Wondering what you think would make the “roping” joint bond best to the base joint? Not trying to rush, just want it to bond as well as possible! Thanks for your time and great videos!
Hi , I seen the old timers do it all same time, and then I seen them wait, I would so a couple samples and see what works, when doing it the next day or later you have to use a richer mix and make sure the base is wet so it stick, lots of masons have their own style and techniques, samples is the best course, I hope it helps, mike
Thanks Mike! Keep the videos coming! Great stuff!
that federal white cement is made 20 minutes from my house embro ontario good stuff
thanks Logan, good stuff, mike
My house had a red rope on the blocks. Mustve looked nice 100+yr ago.
Thanks Jonathan, Mike
hey mike, good work ya do. would you be interested in doing a trade for a blackbear hunt, for some masonry work?
I appreciate it, but way to busy and can't find the time here for any hunting, but I appreciate it, thanks mike
Wow
Thanks Richard, mike
Interesting
Thanks, Mike
looks like about 15 sf how long did that take
Not sure, some are faster than others , thanks mike
Hi Mike, where are you located in PA... Are you in the Bucks area? If so and available I would like a quote for work. Thanks,
I appreciate it, but I am overwhelmed with work and of retirement age so I am not taking anything but thanks for the offer, mike
Thanks for getting back to me.. Love the videos..
Great vid as usual Mike, thanks ! Perhaps you should get" the girlfriend" a new toothbrush and you keep that one...
hi rob, but who is going to pay for it. lol, thanks mike
Hey Mike , My name is John and I'm a Masonry contractor in central VA. Have been in the business 45 years and doing masonry 51 years , I Watch you,re video,s from time to time and liked the great Wall video and a lot of the other,s too , Like you said nobody does it the same but you,re OK Mike ,Iwould like to meet you sometime and we could trade war storie,s, have a nice Father,s Day Mike John Kinsley ,Lynchburg .va.
thanks john, it is good for me to hear those comments from a pro, very true lots of different ways to do things, I appreciate it. mike
Hi Mike, I'm 20 years old and live in PA too. I'm trying to get into the masonry trade and I want to ask a master like you, what kind of qualities would you want to see in a young guy like me that would make you want to bring me on and teach me.
Thanks.
everybody I know in the trade got rid of their employees because of all the laws, rules and regulations, plus inspectors, fees, permits etc etc etc, so now everybody just teams up for different type of jobs, for an example , i work some with my brother, others with the excavator, I guess I got to do a video on that, but I would start out doing landscaping and build it from there, go to something where there is no liability, and take only jobs you are sure of,, I hope it helps, thanks mike
I'm a stone mason here in n.c. It's hard to find someone who would like to learn the trade. Finding a stonemason is the first step. Learning to take a lot of crap from the old timers is key. Show up ten min early, do and watch everything the mason does, have a good attitude, keep a firm back(your gonna need it), and learn to train your eye for plumb and also the creative part of stonework,always break your joints! Stone masonry is s dying trade my friend, but it IS profitable if you do a good job. Good luck my friend, you will set yourself apart from most...
'....Stone masonry is s dying trade my friend...'
maybe a lot depends where you are located John? a websearch on Indeed.com turns yup quite a few as long as a young mason realizes it's more than just---stone--- he or she is expected to learn and work with a real world career. When i view Mike's videos i see him doing darn near everything.
Great explanation. Hope you got her toothbrush back before she noticed it missing!
Thanks Jim, I sure did, lol, Mike
I don't live that far from the Cotswolds so it is all Cotswold stone here if uve heard of that
I have not heard of it but I bet it is a beautiful stone, thanks mike
Wow that looks like a pain in the ass. I thought I hated grouting haha
Thanks Anthony, mike
no need to be Shakey! Your the Best!
thanks jaime, same back at you, mike
Mike I've heard it called a beaded joint, convex joint, and rope joint in my area.
A grape vine is usually a flater slightly pressed in joint with a deeper round groove in it. Not struck to be straight whatsoever. Mostly an antique rustic look.
Thanks who, Your right everyone calls it different thanks mike
I think the roping looks great with the squares and rectangles, but with the irregular stones it's like tattoos (sometimes it looks good but most of the time it doesnt). just my opinion.
No worries, it all a matter of taste, thanks mike
Mike your girlfriend had to be real mad you used her toothbrush if she finds out. and your cousin would be pissed about ripping his seat apart lol. that was real funny
thanks Mr Meener, I agree, lol, mike
In my opinion, the original masonry looks way better than the roping! I feel like i'm in a cheap Italian or Greek restaurant when I see the roped stone.
Hi Greg, that was the style in those days, thanks mike
Do you think my wife's toothbrush would work?
Thanks Pete, not if she finds out, lol, Mike
Mike, Is your cousin still mad at you?! ;o)) Great example, by the way.
He calmed down, I told him is was the mice, LOL, thanks mike
I would prefer a lady mason to do the work : )
Thanks Leila, me too, lol. Mike
I nice to know how ta do dat but I, personally, ain't too keen on the look of it. It looks artificial. Like a cartoon. The natural gaps ...uneven and smooth surface looks better. IMO.
Thanks Tommie, mike
we call it reverse -struck in ohio
HI Gabe, yep everybody got a different name and style, I appreciate it. mike
Are you using your girlfriend's toothbrush again?
Just because she only has those 4 teeth left doesn't mean you should abuse her toothbrush Mike.
LMAO!
(of course I'm only kidding)
Thanks Kandy, lol, I hear you , Mike
Mike, really grateful for your presentation. I was wondering how well a rope joint would adhere to cured and old mortar joints in stone masonry? Would one have to use bonding agent either painted on the existing mortar joint and/or mixed into rope joint mixture? I look forward to hearing from you.
BL Knopp
Hi BL, I would say it all depends on how strong the old motar is, I usually wire brush it, then make my mixture and if it sticks it sticks, I don't overthink it, do a few samples wait a few days and test it, thanks Mike
@@MikeHaduck Thank you Mike. Will do. Best to you and yours, BL Knopp
Wow
Thank Shawn, I appreciate it, Mike