Especially the fact that they have and still are investing in their shipyards and their capacity’s as well while we in the USA surely don’t and haven’t been.. I really am praying our gov takes after Ukraine and investing already heavily into our own underwater drones and new ships specially to launch those that are both unmanned by the ghost fleet.
I just wanna say I appreciate all these pieces lately about PLAN surface forces, frigates and such. They're such an important part of one of the most powerful navies on Earth, yet I feel like they don't get the attention that ought to merit. And they're just real neat to learn about, especially seeing how rapidly Chinese naval technology is evolving. So thanks for making this stuff more accessible.
their new destroyers are some of the most advanced in the world. Destroyers are capable of setting up complex air defense networks and they are already outproducing us in tonnage.@@jeebusk
That is a bold statement to call a PLAN ship a copy. I served in the Pacific and was moored across the pier from one of these ships in Singapore. I can tell you this particular ship isn't some cheap copy. Chinese ships are built on a soviet base design, so their weapons and propulsion systems are very similar. Electronics relating to fire control are based on western designs. The PLAN aquired French SONAR systems to replace their outdated soviet hardware(soviet SONAR is terrible in passive mode compared to US systems). Chinese vessels are practically the best of both eastern and western thinking on military technology. The major deficiencies for the PLAN is their low number of carriers(they're working on this) and their small nuclear sub fleet. I doubt that China will focus on nuclear sub developement until their carrier fleet and diesel submarine force fully matures.
@@mnd7381I was mainly deployed in areas to moniter PLAN activity. Let's leave it at that. I've had the honor of having liberty in South Korea and getting to observe their midget subs before they were decomissioned, and getting a look at the outside of their type 209/212 subs. They were neat to look at. The type 212/214s have some type of composite hull that isn't steel. I've also seen Japanese subs pull into our home port in Pearl Harbor. The Japanese have manpads(stingers) posted on the fairwater planes of their subs when surfaced. They base their subs on old US diesel sub designs before we went full nuclear navy. They're decent boats all around. The Singaporeans have the nicest looking surface combatants, and they're pretty capable too.
PLAN ships transferred to the Chinese Coast Guard have had HOLES knocked in their hulls from colliding with Philippines WOODEN fishing boats.....talk about TOFU steel
With all due respect, the Chinese Lafayette class frigate is the ROCN Kang Ding-class frigate. The Republic of China on Taiwan has six frigates that were built by DCNS, The predecessor to the French Naval Group, with symptoms from Thales. The People's Republic of China on the mainland basically built the two first Type 54 frigates as a response to these using French technology.
054B just launched, they describe the building speed of there modern warships like cooking dumpling - multiple frigate, destroyer, corvette, carriers per year.
As to the shipyard built Type 054, hull 525(Ma'anshan) was built at Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding, Shanghai; the other one 526 (Wenzhou) was built at Huangpu Wenchong Shipbuilding at entrance of Zhujiang(the Pearl River),Huangpu area, Guangzhou, NOT at Hong Kong. One of the previous owners of this shipyard was based at Hong Kong, but not anymore. Now Huangpu Wenchong Shipbuilding is one of huge yards of CSSC group.
One of the owners is not the accurate way of presenting the historical fact: I would change it to previous owner because the ownerships of the shipyards was always single owner. For simplicity and clearity, the history of shipyard can be described as followed: JC.Couper from Scottland founded the shipyard after the 1st Opium War and ran it until 1860s; then the shipyards were sold to then Hongkong-based Jardines (the very same Jardines we know of today). And years follows, the shipyards was sold again to the Viceroy of Liangguang Liu Kunyi in 1876. (Legal Representative of China back then: Qing Empires) And it pretty much remains a state-run enterprise ever since. (It is the one of the OLDEST consecutive state-run companies in China)
Great video (as always). Just wondering if you are looking into the new Belgium and Dutch navies anti submarine warfare frigates made by Damen in the Netherlands.... Seems to be built for speed but to be honest I don't have the level of expertise as you have.
I think a lot of people don't realize that Japan also started out like China back in the day, taking others designs and eventually copying them and making their own. Despite the rumors suggesting their corruption I would rather not underestimate a potentially very technologicaly capable enemy even with evidence to the contrary. Once again, Spasibo for the Brief. o7
@@diltzm Do you know that Japan has a history of being pride of things they stole? They copycat everything and make them better, just to claim it is their creation.
@@diltzm Almost everything that the Japanese considered to be their own cultures were once taken from and also learnt from the Chinese, the Chinese for the past 3000 years were also know for their world class craftsmanship on almost all goods they have created. Even Chinese trash in ancient time were considered to be god sent when pop up in the Japanese market at the time. Pre-1700s the Japanese highly values Chinese made goods, and it is all recorded in history. You have taken the last 200 unfortunate years of Chinese struggles and competing their worse time against the Japanese at their prime is just so bias. If I pick a Chinese golden age and compete their prime against the west of that time, the west are like garbage collectors.
The current Chinese is communist and quick copy and rush of thing without consideration is the norm. Japan was influenced by Chinese during Tang and Song Dynasties which considered to be the peak of Chinese civilization until it got conquered by barbarian and Mongol.
@@twood2032 Chinese corrupt now, you can go cry in to your XI Ping pooh bear pillow to make you feel better. Every country that has bought Chinese military equipment are complaining it is faulty or do not work can read Pakistan reports. Iran fired missiles in to Pakistan and Chinese radars and anti missile systems failed badly. Myanmar also complains Chinese jets are all grounded and faulty.
Wonder if the sonar(s) have better shallow water capability. May mean these are kept close to home in case of hostilities as a way to make good use of the platforms, without needing an air defence hull nearby..
I believe the Type 054 Frigate where recently modernized now featuring HQ-10 Surface-to-Air Missiles at less one of the two ships, also the surface-to-surface missiles was probably replace to be in-line with both the Type 054A and upcoming Type 054B frigates.
According to most information in public domain in China and Western, Type 364 radar is working at G/H band (somewhere between C/X band),not S band. Refreshing rate is various according to modes (15rpm,30rpm and 60rpm), info in wiki is 30rpm. Type 364 plays the same role as AN/SPQ-9A and is widely used on PLAN naval ships as complement of S-band main radar such as Type 382("Top-Plate" Chinese version) and Type 346 "Dragon Eye" phased array radars.
You talk about a shotgun round. 23:37 I think it is like a KETF round. Kinetic Energy, Time Fused. So, it bursts open at a distance from the target and it becomes a 'shotgun' like projectile If you shoot the round, so the airplane or helicopter flies in the 'cloud' of shot.
It seems that the laws of physics in China cannot be the same as those in the West, otherwise they are stolen. Excellent designs are always similar, and human society has evolved in this way
Hi Aaron, am i late for class? Will this be on the exam? They can have French ships,(do they come with white flags already?)we can keep buying Italian.
The LCS are more like corvettes so you can't really compare them to a frigate.. the LCS sucks regardless but the Constellation class will be more comparable
9:00 *I wonder why darpa isn’t already looking deeply into a near-underwater type of vessel that could approach within range to launch only smaller drones that have super fast jet-engines with 2 stages , immediate to get there then it triggers second stage right before impact with kinetic or kin-plosive effect? They could be small enough to get closer and they could have imagining software embedded to identify the rice-bowl radars and the others as top priority.* They would hopefully blind the ship enough to confuse and make easier to take down permanently if the time comes.
Prop wash on the surface is a clear signal for subs to go deep & quiet!!! The US walked away from ASW dipping sonar for decades till they finally clicked on that suppression is a good deal!!! ;p
Here's the memo you missed; Its 2024 we don't pronounce natively anymore. That goes for everyone. Can you imagine someone correcting English pronunciation in China god forbid.
Would be cool with a video detailing the actual and perceived benefits hyper- and supersonic missiles. With modern radar you still see it coming and all your anti-air defense missile needs to do is intercept it before it hits the ship, unless the missile has some sort of adaptive avoidance measures it shouldn't matter much how fast the incoming missile is as it's path is already predicted. To me it seems like cheap sea skimming cruise missiles (regardless if they are subsonic) with a time on target style attack designed to overwhelm defenses is the way to go.
The effectiveness of an AShM depends on many different factors, of which the velocity of the missile is but only one. Here on CZcams the importance of velocity is generally over-rated as a means to generate click bait and advertising revenue. Yes, velocity does make a missile more dangerous because it reduces the reaction time available to air defence systems. However, a higher velocity generates more heat due to friction as the missile moves through the atmosphere, increasing the IR signature of the threat. Limitations imposed by materials require that hypersonic missiles fly at a higher altitude to prevent them from burning up. This makes them detectable at greater distances, allowing more time for an air defence system to react. And, yes, hypersonic missiles are more destructive than subsonic ones with equivalent warhead yields because kinetic energy varies with the square of the velocity. However, subsonic sea skimming missiles remain very dangerous because they approach below the radar horizon of a ship's air defence system, leaving little time to react. This advantage can be diminished by having persistent linked airborne sensors with look-down radar but this is difficult for a single ship to provide because they might only deploy a single helicopter, which is not always available, and there are limits to the size of the antenna you can mount on an aircraft which limits radar power output, sensitivity, and range. The US was slow to get on the hypersonic missile bandwagon partly because sea skimming missiles are so deadly, and because more expensive hypersonic missiles are not necessarily going to be more effective. Also, mounting a cryogenically cooled IR seeker on the nose of a hot hypersonic missile is not an easy engineering problem to solve, implying that a hypersonic missile would need to employ a short range active radar homing seeker, which can be defeated by electronic means, or be unguided on terminal approach, or be dependent upon an external update provided by an independent sensor which needs to be in position and connected at the time the update is required. And, then there is the communication and sensor blackout problem experienced by a missile which is enveloped in a shroud of plasma, the thickness of which increases at lower altitude, unless it slows down. The most important characteristics of an air defence system is the number of layers it provides and the number of targets it can simultaneously engage. For the sake of argument, if we assume that each layer has a 50% chance of intercept, then a system with 2 layers allows a threat to have a 25% chance of success. With 3 layers this falls to 12.5%, and with 4 it falls to 6.25%. Organic air defence, provided by a carrier or shore based assets, can provide an additional outer layer. An effective counter strategy is to deploy more missiles in a ToT attack in order to saturate the air defence system. However, missiles are not cheap, and magazine depth on warships is limited for both offensive and defensive weapons. Attacking aircraft are limited in the number of AShMs they can carry. A swarm of cheap drones is likely to more effective than an expensive hypersonic missile because drones can approach from below the radar horizon, have small radar signatures, can saturate the air defence system, and can progressively deplete a ship's magazines. If you can keep sending drones then it is only a matter of time until one of them will get through, and if the damage caused degrades the air defence system, then you can cripple a very expensive warship with relatively cheap drones. This is why laser weapons are becoming more important. Laser weapons require sustained energy generation instead of magazines. You do not need a heavy warhead, or high kinetic energy, to achieve a mission kill on a warship which is packed with fuel and explosives, especially if the munitions are stored above the water line. All you need to do is initiate an uncontrollable fire, or alternatively disable the ship's expose sensors. Western warships cost a lot more than cheaper mass produced Chinese ones partly because Western warships have more water-tight compartments and better damage control systems. This, combined with better training of Western crews to fight fire i.e. every sailor is a firefighter vs dedicated fire fighting teams, makes them more survivable. A large fleet of Chinese warships which will burn to the waterline following a single strike, even if they are equipped with hypersonic AShMs, is not necessarily more powerful than a smaller fleet of Western warships if they can absorb more damage. A damaged warship can be repaired but a sunken warship cannot be replaced in the short term. Another consideration is that a missile is useless if you are unable to detect and continuously update target tracking data. The open ocean is a big place, and ships are unpredictable mobile targets whose area of uncertainty grows rapidly with time. Satellites are fast moving and do not remain overhead for long. Airborne assets with powerful radars are scarce, have limited operational range, and require refuelling to stay on station. The ability to strike a ship depends upon a kill chain which can be disrupted in many ways. So, hypersonic missiles sound scary but whether they will actually work or not under combat conditions is yet to be tested. First generation Exocet subsonic sea skimming missiles proved to be deadly for British warships during the Falklands War. Subsonic sea skimming missiles are known to work. One should not jump to conclusions and simply assume that Chinese military propaganda is indeed fact. Information warfare can be just as, if not more, effective than weapons systems!
With respect to the ship launched anti-sub torpedo, Generally, are the tube launched systems getting too short in range now when the sub-launched anti-ship torpedo's are much longer ranged? I would have thought that a couple ASROC in the VLS system that can at least through the torpedo out near the sub to start would be better, assuming you have enough VLS cells.
@@michaelkendall662 thanks for the info. I just looked up, the current Mk 48 ADCAP sub-launched ship killer has a range of between 38 or 50 km depending on the speed. Meanwhile, the Mk 54 lightweight from a ship tube has a range of 9 km. place that on top of an ASROC- RUM-139C which can throw the Mk 54 out 22 km before it starts to swim and a ship could, in theory, strike a sub out to 31 km (more likely less than that to give the Mk54 time to find the sub). So, a Sub could still safely strike a ship if it was between 31 and 50 km away. Of course, the ship can use an MH-60R to drop that Mk 54 on top of a sub more than 100 km from the ship, that's the best defence. But I don't see a reason for the tube launchers on a ship anymore, if the sub is within 9 km the ship is already dead. I would think a couple ASROC's the Mk41 VLS in case they get surprised and can't get the MH-60 up in time (or sea state is too high to launch), but if you are actively hunting subs then having two MH-60's so that one can be up all the time would be best (in my opinion).
Yes, I noted the 40 year time, I wasn't trying to say you were wrong, I just listed the current weapon ranges to show that now, in 2024, it no longer seems to make sense to have tube launchers on a ship, unless the lightweight ship launched torpedo can be used to intercept the incoming heavy weight torpedo like an SM2 would intercept an incoming Harpoon type missile. Do you recall what the range of the sub-launched torpedos was at the time?
Something that's bugging me about ship specs is the maximum speed. 6 years ago I embarked on a big ferry boat (double car & truck deck) that went Igoumenitsa- Ancona (Greece-Italy) in the Adriatic sea and while onboard I kept taking readings of speed with my phone's GPS. It was a constant and very consistent 52Km/h which is equivalent to 28 knots. How the hell is such a big & bulky ship able to cruise at that speed and the sleek military vessels that don't carry such weight only manage it as top speed? So, I'm not buying the military numbers - the true ones are definitely much higher.
I just saw a clip on Funker530 of a Russian soldier downing a drone with a shotgun at around 100m range. Cost effectiveness is important against drones and the civilian drones are so slow and fragile that almost anything can stop them. Shotguns and lasers are cheap countermeasures.
@@LeonardTavast Brail election riots men seen with big funny looking rifles shoot down four drones a Australian invention and many sold to Ukraine. Australian company give slinger to Ukraine is a Australian Bushmaster cannon fitted to pickups or any military vehicle and has controls and joyticks and tracking system all inside vehicle and remotely used for better protection. Yes cost effective weapons are best against drones. Australia sent a fair few drones and anti drone systems to Ukraine.
@@LeonardTavast lasers aren't cheap. The lenses are usually gemstones and expensive to manufacture and the tubes are a fortune. They both burn out rapidly. They could potentially be cheap one day, but it is not today. I'd wager the cost is not dissimilar to a phalanx salvo right now. The advantage is the laser can be used in a lot more circumstances where a salvo of hot metal would not be appreciated or safe- drones can easily use neutral or allied civvy vessels as meat shields. Maybe even used on civvy drones in port.
nice brief, also Czech Republic is working to get f-35 they want 24 for their Airforce. also, Greece is working to get f-35 for their Airforce they want at least 40. also, not only that they have three new frigates being built by the french also they are thinking getting 7 of our new Constellation-class frigate.
@@mandowarrior123 how was pioneering stealth surface ships with the Lafayette class half baked? It performed and still performs perfectly, that other countries can’t properly bake it is their own problem, but hey they aren’t French.
@@brunol-p_g8800 ah perfectly does it? That's interesting. Fortunate we're still in the 80's otherwise you might consider it a compromised vessel. Half baked- partial stealth design, partial obfuscation that when it was designed worked great, but now is a unique fingerprint that makes identification easier. Archaic material choices that are questionable and threaten the ship.
The Type 054 is essentially a different class. But look at all of the versions of the type is 052 destroyer. It would be like calling the American Spruance class, Kidd class, Ticonderoga class, and Arleigh Burke class all versions of the Spruance class.
Stop!!! We Chinese people believe that our ships are only used for fishing. Our 003 is equivalent to the Eagle class. 004=Nimitz level. 005=Ford level. The latest WS15 version of J20 is equivalent to F22. Our 055...... It's really stronger than the Aliburk 3, it can't be hidden. Fortunately, the price and construction speed of the Aliburke 3 are 3 * ships 055.
Essentially they are coastal patrol boats unless they're ever put to military use. I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out the superstructures are cardboard and rolled up newspaper and they never did intend them to do anything but look scary. But I'd not count on it either.
Yeah what don't they steal. Copies and understatement straight out theft. And it's just not the ships it's. Everything. Just a common viewer starwatcher.
Hello sub brief and everyone. I've been MIA for quite some time now. Have to forgive me. If it isn't one thing it is another. I do pick up episodes here and there but usually days have gone by and there's not much need to comment. So I will show the love give that thumb a shove. Just a common viewer starwatcher. All go US. NAVY. All go UNITED STATES MARINES.
I think China should improve technological research and development, reduce costs, reduce unnecessary expenses, and combat corruption. This is more effective than increasing the budget. Now the military expenditure has reached 1.8%!!!! This is too crazy, too crazy. Only lunatics would raise military spending to 2% of GDP.
In 1860, French and British expeditionary forces looted the treasures in Old Summer Palace, Beijing. Have history being forgotten by the looters but not the Chinese.
9" like torpedoes work best against subs, as designed! Not surface targets!!! Missiles & gunfire do that role!!! ASW torpedoes are typically homing, to suppress subs that hear them coming till you are long gone!!!
Stole ? France sold the same combat management system to Taiwan with the la-fayette class frigate. Therefore. France sold the same system to PLA Navy to release the pressure from China. The new 054Bs will have much better systems than the current Taiwanese frigate.
Taiwan will be able to get better upgrades from US and is technologically ahead of China itself. Taiwan wants to be underestimated because it plays right in their hand.
Reality are french and the german help the chinese with alot of tech in the 80-until now . Especially french whom sell radar , sonar , missle and heli tech . While the german with diesel engine for sub and combat ship .
Feeding China with tech is a great way to curb down their indigenous R&D capabilities. As long as you give/sell/license them mid tech you inhibit their capacity to perform real innovative/original/ground breaking high tech. It’s a smart way to keep them behind. True high tech still lies in the west (US, UK, FR, DE)…
It would be a fair assessment to think that if China were required to give up all the technology they acquired through reverse engineering or out right stole that we could expect to see the CCP struggling with a potato battery.
Russia always was a passive sonar navy so 27 Km in passive mode is what that is based on! Between the Arctic, Baltic, Black sea, & pacific ocean bases the sonar is not going to be attuned for all of them!!!
I remember vividly the day I heard France sold them the Crotal short range SAM. I was annoyed. Then i heard they had sold them Exocet and the Dauphin helo. That was annoying. When i heard they had sold them the DSBV sonar... I was angry for a week.
It may be a copy but I am sure it is a poor copy as china never seems to get the details right. Suspect they leave out the fire fighting and damage control training. I suspect they are a paper tiger and based on their performance so far I suspect their performance will be poor
Yes, our ships are all fishing boats. The biggest advantage of our ship is its advanced fishing technology, while also being able to perform deep processing on board. Our latest fishing boat 055A, the 10th one is about to be outfitted. We have reserved a complete power reserve of the Aleburk 3 for electric grilled fish. If necessary, we will equip the next batch of 055B with CM40 gas turbines and continue to install four, which will be two times the power level of the Aleburke 3. There is enough electricity to hold a party at sea. You can turn on the air conditioning all night and play games without worrying about running out of battery.
The performance should be quite good if they've taken out the unnecessary steel and replaced it with modern high carbon corrugated recycled organic interlocking layered Quǎ Dù boarding technology.
His not 100% sure but he seems to think that everything Chinese is inferior to that of the US. Seems like his an expert so trust his narrative. Speculations...
@khushaljaiswal2513 I don't think this guy understands. The host of this channel is an expert on this topic. I applaud your effort to try and change his mind. But it's a chinese shill. Most likely a part of the 50-cent army
Maybe he listens to all the people that gets Chinese ships and aircraft that say what they get is not made well. Kind of like Chinese buildings and so many other things.
Look... The f22 stole the plane from the Wright brothers. Especially the f22 having wings.
Very True! 😅
In naval terms,
20 year old tech actually isn't that far behind.
Especially the fact that they have and still are investing in their shipyards and their capacity’s as well while we in the USA surely don’t and haven’t been..
I really am praying our gov takes after Ukraine and investing already heavily into our own underwater drones and new ships specially to launch those that are both unmanned by the ghost fleet.
@@MattttG3 US already has started actively using large unmanned sea drones with manned ships along side.
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indeed, the french is at least if not more than 20 years behind china's 055, they dont have the tech nor the money
@@timothy1949 The French is like saying The Texas is 20 years behind... they're part of a coalition.
I just wanna say I appreciate all these pieces lately about PLAN surface forces, frigates and such. They're such an important part of one of the most powerful navies on Earth, yet I feel like they don't get the attention that ought to merit. And they're just real neat to learn about, especially seeing how rapidly Chinese naval technology is evolving. So thanks for making this stuff more accessible.
One of the most powerful XD its a navy that counts fishing vessels in its numbers as long as they harass other nations when they're out.
Depends how many they make, yeah they need larger more capable ships if they're going to live up to HIS aspirations.
their new destroyers are some of the most advanced in the world. Destroyers are capable of setting up complex air defense networks and they are already outproducing us in tonnage.@@jeebusk
@@holechek they need to
Unproven, overcounted, unreliable.
That is a bold statement to call a PLAN ship a copy. I served in the Pacific and was moored across the pier from one of these ships in Singapore. I can tell you this particular ship isn't some cheap copy.
Chinese ships are built on a soviet base design, so their weapons and propulsion systems are very similar. Electronics relating to fire control are based on western designs. The PLAN aquired French SONAR systems to replace their outdated soviet hardware(soviet SONAR is terrible in passive mode compared to US systems).
Chinese vessels are practically the best of both eastern and western thinking on military technology. The major deficiencies for the PLAN is their low number of carriers(they're working on this) and their small nuclear sub fleet. I doubt that China will focus on nuclear sub developement until their carrier fleet and diesel submarine force fully matures.
What do you think about other major navies in that region? Like you ever seen Japanese, Korean, Indian ships?
@@mnd7381I was mainly deployed in areas to moniter PLAN activity. Let's leave it at that.
I've had the honor of having liberty in South Korea and getting to observe their midget subs before they were decomissioned, and getting a look at the outside of their type 209/212 subs. They were neat to look at. The type 212/214s have some type of composite hull that isn't steel.
I've also seen Japanese subs pull into our home port in Pearl Harbor. The Japanese have manpads(stingers) posted on the fairwater planes of their subs when surfaced. They base their subs on old US diesel sub designs before we went full nuclear navy. They're decent boats all around.
The Singaporeans have the nicest looking surface combatants, and they're pretty capable too.
PLAN ships transferred to the Chinese Coast Guard have had HOLES knocked in their hulls from colliding with Philippines WOODEN fishing boats.....talk about TOFU steel
Your channel piquing my interest. It's a relief to have straight facts with minimal denigration and anti-Chinese bias.
With all due respect, the Chinese Lafayette class frigate is the ROCN Kang Ding-class frigate. The Republic of China on Taiwan has six frigates that were built by DCNS, The predecessor to the French Naval Group, with symptoms from Thales.
The People's Republic of China on the mainland basically built the two first Type 54 frigates as a response to these using French technology.
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The main engines of Type 054/054A are Chinese version of French SEMT Peilstick (bought by MAN Diesel in 2006) 16 PA 6V 280 STC, not Ukraine engines.
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And there is nothing secret about it. It was widely used on many French railways diesel locomotives 😊
Thanks for this. Very interesting.
054B just launched, they describe the building speed of there modern warships like cooking dumpling - multiple frigate, destroyer, corvette, carriers per year.
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@@kobushauman3310You missed him, he was called Aaron Bushnell this time around.
As to the shipyard built Type 054, hull 525(Ma'anshan) was built at Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding, Shanghai; the other one 526 (Wenzhou) was built at Huangpu Wenchong Shipbuilding at entrance of Zhujiang(the Pearl River),Huangpu area, Guangzhou, NOT at Hong Kong. One of the previous owners of this shipyard was based at Hong Kong, but not anymore. Now Huangpu Wenchong Shipbuilding is one of huge yards of CSSC group.
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One of the owners is not the accurate way of presenting the historical fact: I would change it to previous owner because the ownerships of the shipyards was always single owner. For simplicity and clearity, the history of shipyard can be described as followed:
JC.Couper from Scottland founded the shipyard after the 1st Opium War and ran it until 1860s; then the shipyards were sold to then Hongkong-based Jardines (the very same Jardines we know of today). And years follows, the shipyards was sold again to the Viceroy of Liangguang Liu Kunyi in 1876. (Legal Representative of China back then: Qing Empires) And it pretty much remains a state-run enterprise ever since. (It is the one of the OLDEST consecutive state-run companies in China)
Interesting.
ty for the video
Great video (as always). Just wondering if you are looking into the new Belgium and Dutch navies anti submarine warfare frigates made by Damen in the Netherlands.... Seems to be built for speed but to be honest I don't have the level of expertise as you have.
I think a lot of people don't realize that Japan also started out like China back in the day, taking others designs and eventually copying them and making their own. Despite the rumors suggesting their corruption I would rather not underestimate a potentially very technologicaly capable enemy even with evidence to the contrary.
Once again, Spasibo for the Brief. o7
The big difference there are the two vastly different cultures. Japan has always prided themselves on craftsmanship with they make. China not so much.
@@diltzm Do you know that Japan has a history of being pride of things they stole? They copycat everything and make them better, just to claim it is their creation.
@@diltzm Almost everything that the Japanese considered to be their own cultures were once taken from and also learnt from the Chinese, the Chinese for the past 3000 years were also know for their world class craftsmanship on almost all goods they have created. Even Chinese trash in ancient time were considered to be god sent when pop up in the Japanese market at the time. Pre-1700s the Japanese highly values Chinese made goods, and it is all recorded in history. You have taken the last 200 unfortunate years of Chinese struggles and competing their worse time against the Japanese at their prime is just so bias. If I pick a Chinese golden age and compete their prime against the west of that time, the west are like garbage collectors.
The current Chinese is communist and quick copy and rush of thing without consideration is the norm. Japan was influenced by Chinese during Tang and Song Dynasties which considered to be the peak of Chinese civilization until it got conquered by barbarian and Mongol.
@@twood2032 Chinese corrupt now, you can go cry in to your XI Ping pooh bear pillow to make you feel better.
Every country that has bought Chinese military equipment are complaining it is faulty or do not work can read Pakistan reports. Iran fired missiles in to Pakistan and Chinese radars and anti missile systems failed badly.
Myanmar also complains Chinese jets are all grounded and faulty.
Wonder if the sonar(s) have better shallow water capability. May mean these are kept close to home in case of hostilities as a way to make good use of the platforms, without needing an air defence hull nearby..
054 is specialized in anti submarine, anti aircraft should be handled by 052 or bigger 052 (the 055).
I believe the Type 054 Frigate where recently modernized now featuring HQ-10 Surface-to-Air Missiles at less one of the two ships, also the surface-to-surface missiles was probably replace to be in-line with both the Type 054A and upcoming Type 054B frigates.
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Do you have a ship brief of Type 056 Corvette?
Super interesting, as always. Thank you!
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Did you skip type 055 and went for the Frigate range?
Aaron covered the Tupe 055 "destroyer" last year.
According to most information in public domain in China and Western, Type 364 radar is working at G/H band (somewhere between C/X band),not S band. Refreshing rate is various according to modes (15rpm,30rpm and 60rpm), info in wiki is 30rpm. Type 364 plays the same role as AN/SPQ-9A and is widely used on PLAN naval ships as complement of S-band main radar such as Type 382("Top-Plate" Chinese version) and Type 346 "Dragon Eye" phased array radars.
A working class of frigate... What a novel idea! Wonder why the Chinese didn't copy our LCS's...
Hey, you can question our belief, don't question our taste......LOL
They didn't want to waste 50 billion on a class that doesn't work?
@@ronmaximilian6953 you are leaking top secreat......
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You talk about a shotgun round.
23:37
I think it is like a KETF round.
Kinetic Energy, Time Fused.
So, it bursts open at a distance from the target and it becomes a 'shotgun' like projectile
If you shoot the round, so the airplane or helicopter flies in the 'cloud' of shot.
Have you done type 075 LHDs?
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When is the type055 episode to come?
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It seems that the laws of physics in China cannot be the same as those in the West, otherwise they are stolen. Excellent designs are always similar, and human society has evolved in this way
Hi Aaron, am i late for class? Will this be on the exam? They can have French ships,(do they come with white flags already?)we can keep buying Italian.
Lol
Well.. in fact, the FREMM the US buy is an Italo French design…😂
It's better than our LCS...
The LCS are more like corvettes so you can't really compare them to a frigate.. the LCS sucks regardless but the Constellation class will be more comparable
@@user-ft2zc5or9d you're more like a Corvette :)
What about cost wise...
"Better than the LCS" is damning with faint praise.
@@user-ft2zc5or9d other than mission and operations area an LCS is nothing like a frigate,,,,,much larger and more mission capable
0:21 wasn’t corruption was involved ?
I like when you’re in the video with green screen.
9:00 *I wonder why darpa isn’t already looking deeply into a near-underwater type of vessel that could approach within range to launch only smaller drones that have super fast jet-engines with 2 stages , immediate to get there then it triggers second stage right before impact with kinetic or kin-plosive effect? They could be small enough to get closer and they could have imagining software embedded to identify the rice-bowl radars and the others as top priority.*
They would hopefully blind the ship enough to confuse and make easier to take down permanently if the time comes.
What makes you think they arent?
Prop wash on the surface is a clear signal for subs to go deep & quiet!!! The US walked away from ASW dipping sonar for decades till they finally clicked on that suppression is a good deal!!! ;p
Can we get some british ship briefs plz
You sound salty 😂😂😂😂😂
3:45 it’s pronounced as “ GOO-ong-sh-aow (the ow noise like you got hurt at the end) “
Here's the memo you missed; Its 2024 we don't pronounce natively anymore. That goes for everyone. Can you imagine someone correcting English pronunciation in China god forbid.
Would be cool with a video detailing the actual and perceived benefits hyper- and supersonic missiles. With modern radar you still see it coming and all your anti-air defense missile needs to do is intercept it before it hits the ship, unless the missile has some sort of adaptive avoidance measures it shouldn't matter much how fast the incoming missile is as it's path is already predicted. To me it seems like cheap sea skimming cruise missiles (regardless if they are subsonic) with a time on target style attack designed to overwhelm defenses is the way to go.
The effectiveness of an AShM depends on many different factors, of which the velocity of the missile is but only one. Here on CZcams the importance of velocity is generally over-rated as a means to generate click bait and advertising revenue.
Yes, velocity does make a missile more dangerous because it reduces the reaction time available to air defence systems. However, a higher velocity generates more heat due to friction as the missile moves through the atmosphere, increasing the IR signature of the threat. Limitations imposed by materials require that hypersonic missiles fly at a higher altitude to prevent them from burning up. This makes them detectable at greater distances, allowing more time for an air defence system to react. And, yes, hypersonic missiles are more destructive than subsonic ones with equivalent warhead yields because kinetic energy varies with the square of the velocity.
However, subsonic sea skimming missiles remain very dangerous because they approach below the radar horizon of a ship's air defence system, leaving little time to react. This advantage can be diminished by having persistent linked airborne sensors with look-down radar but this is difficult for a single ship to provide because they might only deploy a single helicopter, which is not always available, and there are limits to the size of the antenna you can mount on an aircraft which limits radar power output, sensitivity, and range. The US was slow to get on the hypersonic missile bandwagon partly because sea skimming missiles are so deadly, and because more expensive hypersonic missiles are not necessarily going to be more effective.
Also, mounting a cryogenically cooled IR seeker on the nose of a hot hypersonic missile is not an easy engineering problem to solve, implying that a hypersonic missile would need to employ a short range active radar homing seeker, which can be defeated by electronic means, or be unguided on terminal approach, or be dependent upon an external update provided by an independent sensor which needs to be in position and connected at the time the update is required. And, then there is the communication and sensor blackout problem experienced by a missile which is enveloped in a shroud of plasma, the thickness of which increases at lower altitude, unless it slows down.
The most important characteristics of an air defence system is the number of layers it provides and the number of targets it can simultaneously engage. For the sake of argument, if we assume that each layer has a 50% chance of intercept, then a system with 2 layers allows a threat to have a 25% chance of success. With 3 layers this falls to 12.5%, and with 4 it falls to 6.25%. Organic air defence, provided by a carrier or shore based assets, can provide an additional outer layer. An effective counter strategy is to deploy more missiles in a ToT attack in order to saturate the air defence system. However, missiles are not cheap, and magazine depth on warships is limited for both offensive and defensive weapons. Attacking aircraft are limited in the number of AShMs they can carry. A swarm of cheap drones is likely to more effective than an expensive hypersonic missile because drones can approach from below the radar horizon, have small radar signatures, can saturate the air defence system, and can progressively deplete a ship's magazines. If you can keep sending drones then it is only a matter of time until one of them will get through, and if the damage caused degrades the air defence system, then you can cripple a very expensive warship with relatively cheap drones. This is why laser weapons are becoming more important. Laser weapons require sustained energy generation instead of magazines.
You do not need a heavy warhead, or high kinetic energy, to achieve a mission kill on a warship which is packed with fuel and explosives, especially if the munitions are stored above the water line. All you need to do is initiate an uncontrollable fire, or alternatively disable the ship's expose sensors. Western warships cost a lot more than cheaper mass produced Chinese ones partly because Western warships have more water-tight compartments and better damage control systems. This, combined with better training of Western crews to fight fire i.e. every sailor is a firefighter vs dedicated fire fighting teams, makes them more survivable. A large fleet of Chinese warships which will burn to the waterline following a single strike, even if they are equipped with hypersonic AShMs, is not necessarily more powerful than a smaller fleet of Western warships if they can absorb more damage. A damaged warship can be repaired but a sunken warship cannot be replaced in the short term.
Another consideration is that a missile is useless if you are unable to detect and continuously update target tracking data. The open ocean is a big place, and ships are unpredictable mobile targets whose area of uncertainty grows rapidly with time. Satellites are fast moving and do not remain overhead for long. Airborne assets with powerful radars are scarce, have limited operational range, and require refuelling to stay on station. The ability to strike a ship depends upon a kill chain which can be disrupted in many ways.
So, hypersonic missiles sound scary but whether they will actually work or not under combat conditions is yet to be tested. First generation Exocet subsonic sea skimming missiles proved to be deadly for British warships during the Falklands War. Subsonic sea skimming missiles are known to work. One should not jump to conclusions and simply assume that Chinese military propaganda is indeed fact. Information warfare can be just as, if not more, effective than weapons systems!
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With respect to the ship launched anti-sub torpedo, Generally, are the tube launched systems getting too short in range now when the sub-launched anti-ship torpedo's are much longer ranged? I would have thought that a couple ASROC in the VLS system that can at least through the torpedo out near the sub to start would be better, assuming you have enough VLS cells.
40 years ago our tube-launched were 5 miles and ASROCs were 8 miles but could be nuclear tipped
@@michaelkendall662 thanks for the info. I just looked up, the current Mk 48 ADCAP sub-launched ship killer has a range of between 38 or 50 km depending on the speed. Meanwhile, the Mk 54 lightweight from a ship tube has a range of 9 km. place that on top of an ASROC- RUM-139C which can throw the Mk 54 out 22 km before it starts to swim and a ship could, in theory, strike a sub out to 31 km (more likely less than that to give the Mk54 time to find the sub). So, a Sub could still safely strike a ship if it was between 31 and 50 km away. Of course, the ship can use an MH-60R to drop that Mk 54 on top of a sub more than 100 km from the ship, that's the best defence. But I don't see a reason for the tube launchers on a ship anymore, if the sub is within 9 km the ship is already dead. I would think a couple ASROC's the Mk41 VLS in case they get surprised and can't get the MH-60 up in time (or sea state is too high to launch), but if you are actively hunting subs then having two MH-60's so that one can be up all the time would be best (in my opinion).
@@Andy81ish my EOS was almost 40 years ago
Yes, I noted the 40 year time, I wasn't trying to say you were wrong, I just listed the current weapon ranges to show that now, in 2024, it no longer seems to make sense to have tube launchers on a ship, unless the lightweight ship launched torpedo can be used to intercept the incoming heavy weight torpedo like an SM2 would intercept an incoming Harpoon type missile. Do you recall what the range of the sub-launched torpedos was at the time?
Something that's bugging me about ship specs is the maximum speed. 6 years ago I embarked on a big ferry boat (double car & truck deck) that went Igoumenitsa- Ancona (Greece-Italy) in the Adriatic sea and while onboard I kept taking readings of speed with my phone's GPS. It was a constant and very consistent 52Km/h which is equivalent to 28 knots. How the hell is such a big & bulky ship able to cruise at that speed and the sleek military vessels that don't carry such weight only manage it as top speed? So, I'm not buying the military numbers - the true ones are definitely much higher.
Correct.
Well done! Thank you. Helps understand what a POS the PLAN ships are compared to western navies.
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The shotgun anti-air gun is probably for drones, if i were to guess.
I just saw a clip on Funker530 of a Russian soldier downing a drone with a shotgun at around 100m range.
Cost effectiveness is important against drones and the civilian drones are so slow and fragile that almost anything can stop them. Shotguns and lasers are cheap countermeasures.
@@LeonardTavast Brail election riots men seen with big funny looking rifles shoot down four drones a Australian invention and many sold to Ukraine.
Australian company give slinger to Ukraine is a Australian Bushmaster cannon fitted to pickups or any military vehicle and has controls and joyticks and tracking system all inside vehicle and remotely used for better protection.
Yes cost effective weapons are best against drones.
Australia sent a fair few drones and anti drone systems to Ukraine.
@@LeonardTavast lasers aren't cheap. The lenses are usually gemstones and expensive to manufacture and the tubes are a fortune. They both burn out rapidly. They could potentially be cheap one day, but it is not today. I'd wager the cost is not dissimilar to a phalanx salvo right now. The advantage is the laser can be used in a lot more circumstances where a salvo of hot metal would not be appreciated or safe- drones can easily use neutral or allied civvy vessels as meat shields. Maybe even used on civvy drones in port.
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@@mandowarrior123 electrical lasers use polished optics and cost in the neighborhood of $10 per discharge
Thank you Aaron
'Zh' is pronounce 'J' in Chinese words. So it would be 'guang-jo' . Your videos are informative and I catch them as often as I can.
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The ship has quite a lot of short range bang for the buck.
Great video
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heads up, Guang Zhou like Guam slow, your ZH pronunciation is good enough
nice brief, also Czech Republic is working to get f-35 they want 24 for their Airforce. also, Greece is working to get f-35 for their Airforce they want at least 40. also, not only that they have three new frigates being built by the french also they are thinking getting 7 of our new Constellation-class frigate.
Freshets work better than ball shot! ;p
Well, with every single navy around the world copying the French stealth hull shapes, it is not like a Chinese speciality.
Just like air craft shapes or did every one steal the idea from
America?
Well since France has no good warship, so it must all been stolen by Chinese.....
France traditionally adopts technology a generation before it is ready. Half baked and novel is their m.o.
@@mandowarrior123 how was pioneering stealth surface ships with the Lafayette class half baked? It performed and still performs perfectly, that other countries can’t properly bake it is their own problem, but hey they aren’t French.
@@brunol-p_g8800 ah perfectly does it? That's interesting. Fortunate we're still in the 80's otherwise you might consider it a compromised vessel.
Half baked- partial stealth design, partial obfuscation that when it was designed worked great, but now is a unique fingerprint that makes identification easier. Archaic material choices that are questionable and threaten the ship.
the latest version is 054B, much more advanced than 054. even 054A is much better
The Type 054 is essentially a different class. But look at all of the versions of the type is 052 destroyer. It would be like calling the American Spruance class, Kidd class, Ticonderoga class, and Arleigh Burke class all versions of the Spruance class.
This is physics, nothing to do with stealing or from France !
The Chinese is practicing. It is a scary LEGO game .... what if they get it right ....
Compare the French navy to the Chinese navy today! Who do you think is the most powerful?
They are crafty
As in water craft? :p
Otherwise how to compete with more crafty Westerners.
You arent really crafty either. Go study history, you got your tech from the Islamic golden age too. @@markc6140
To be fair, I thought they GTA V it,lol
Tell me who China stole in the Destroyer Type 55 design? Lol.
This is hardly a copy of the La Fayette (a highly over-rated design). Just lazy thinking.
Guangzhou pronunciation Gwung joe
Stop!!! We Chinese people believe that our ships are only used for fishing. Our 003 is equivalent to the Eagle class. 004=Nimitz level. 005=Ford level. The latest WS15 version of J20 is equivalent to F22. Our 055...... It's really stronger than the Aliburk 3, it can't be hidden. Fortunately, the price and construction speed of the Aliburke 3 are 3 * ships 055.
Essentially they are coastal patrol boats unless they're ever put to military use. I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out the superstructures are cardboard and rolled up newspaper and they never did intend them to do anything but look scary. But I'd not count on it either.
You might wanna do an explainer on what copying is.
It's for your credibility and to alleviate disinformation.
The Chinese made a copy of something...let me alert the media 😂😂😂.
Yeah what don't they steal. Copies and understatement straight out theft. And it's just not the ships it's. Everything. Just a common viewer starwatcher.
As Chinese, you can question our lifestyle, but don't question our taste LOL
Every country is doing the same thing
Hello sub brief and everyone. I've been MIA for quite some time now. Have to forgive me. If it isn't one thing it is another. I do pick up episodes here and there but usually days have gone by and there's not much need to comment. So I will show the love give that thumb a shove. Just a common viewer starwatcher. All go US. NAVY. All go UNITED STATES MARINES.
3rd class Marine....
my big thank to French
... the country is called FRANCE
China should increase its military budget
I think China should improve technological research and development, reduce costs, reduce unnecessary expenses, and combat corruption. This is more effective than increasing the budget. Now the military expenditure has reached 1.8%!!!! This is too crazy, too crazy. Only lunatics would raise military spending to 2% of GDP.
In 1860, French and British expeditionary forces looted the treasures in Old Summer Palace, Beijing. Have history being forgotten by the looters but not the Chinese.
9" like torpedoes work best against subs, as designed! Not surface targets!!! Missiles & gunfire do that role!!! ASW torpedoes are typically homing, to suppress subs that hear them coming till you are long gone!!!
China: ✍🏻
Those frigates would look fantastic as homes for marine life on the ocean floor, a few thousand feet beneath the surface.
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It's La FAyette not La FIyette.
Stole ? France sold the same combat management system to Taiwan with the la-fayette class frigate. Therefore. France sold the same system to PLA Navy to release the pressure from China. The new 054Bs will have much better systems than the current Taiwanese frigate.
Taiwan will be able to get better upgrades from US and is technologically ahead of China itself. Taiwan wants to be underestimated because it plays right in their hand.
A whale, Beaumont. A whale.
Reality are french and the german help the chinese with alot of tech in the 80-until now . Especially french whom sell radar , sonar , missle and heli tech . While the german with diesel engine for sub and combat ship .
And the US, in the 80s China was considered an USSR foe...
Feeding China with tech is a great way to curb down their indigenous R&D capabilities. As long as you give/sell/license them mid tech you inhibit their capacity to perform real innovative/original/ground breaking high tech. It’s a smart way to keep them behind. True high tech still lies in the west (US, UK, FR, DE)…
😂😂😂China did not steal anything, she paid for it! Actually, France is the weapon tiger for almost many countries.
Guangzhou = "gwong-zhoo"
Bless you.
It would be a fair assessment to think that if China were required to give up all the technology they acquired through reverse engineering or out right stole that we could expect to see the CCP struggling with a potato battery.
Russia always was a passive sonar navy so 27 Km in passive mode is what that is based on!
Between the Arctic, Baltic, Black sea, & pacific ocean bases the sonar is not going to be attuned for all of them!!!
It doesn’t look remotely like French Lafayette.
I remember vividly the day I heard France sold them the Crotal short range SAM. I was annoyed. Then i heard they had sold them Exocet and the Dauphin helo. That was annoying. When i heard they had sold them the DSBV sonar... I was angry for a week.
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Looks like a great design for a coral reef.
Hello? Am i live? Haha sweet
wow , ya think this administration cares about catching up on ship building ???🤣🤡
China stealing designs, and still making it inferior? colour me chocked.
Does it still count as stolen if they bought it?
The Type 055 Destroyer is another beast altogether
Please don't randomly capitalize words in your title, it makes my eye twitch because I can't correct it.
No sir that's a chriss kraft cave, great lake boat option. Enjoy your logistical nightmare fellers.
Tofu dredge copy...The tech isnt how a ship performs, but more on its systems...Chinese cant make an e-bike that doesnt catch fire...
... they build them of 20% of the cost then an a.Burgh destroyer ... let's hope these 054es are also 20% capable ...
It may be a copy but I am sure it is a poor copy as china never seems to get the details right. Suspect they leave out the fire fighting and damage control training. I suspect they are a paper tiger and based on their performance so far I suspect their performance will be poor
Yes, our ships are all fishing boats. The biggest advantage of our ship is its advanced fishing technology, while also being able to perform deep processing on board. Our latest fishing boat 055A, the 10th one is about to be outfitted. We have reserved a complete power reserve of the Aleburk 3 for electric grilled fish. If necessary, we will equip the next batch of 055B with CM40 gas turbines and continue to install four, which will be two times the power level of the Aleburke 3. There is enough electricity to hold a party at sea. You can turn on the air conditioning all night and play games without worrying about running out of battery.
‘Am sure…suspect…suspect…suspect…’
The performance should be quite good if they've taken out the unnecessary steel and replaced it with modern high carbon corrugated recycled organic interlocking layered Quǎ Dù boarding technology.
Better hope they're junk, because if they aren't, this war is going to go south on us really quickly.
Gonna be awkward in 30 years when the west starts copying chinese military designs😂
Unless there is a Country called "Indigenous" that they copied it from, they have no "Indigenous" systems...
Lol
Indigenous is a French word that was modified in English. Take what you will from that
Chinese have a saying: you walk the other’s path and make them no where to go 😮😢
Rice bowl for a Chinese ship lol😅
France probably gave them the design. The French government Is duplicitous and I wouldn’t doubt it.
its called CCP Technology or China-Copied-Patents!!!
Bro I like your videos but not paying. For anything if you want clicks make it free
lol China doesnt bother copying the French. You're salty af bro.
I am. Nice to see someone getting my message.
All seamen is salty. Are salty, sorry.
Made in China = "Breaks out of the box" in English.
There is a 99% chance you typed that on something made in China
If France was a person, it would give its own sister to Epstien 😂
Accurate.
Ain't the ship a copy, though?
If only they had copied the US LCS. 😆
His not 100% sure but he seems to think that everything Chinese is inferior to that of the US. Seems like his an expert so trust his narrative. Speculations...
He is an ex American sailor so maybe he knows Chinese ships better than armchair expert's.
I suspect you might be located in West Taiwan Sir.
@khushaljaiswal2513 I don't think this guy understands. The host of this channel is an expert on this topic. I applaud your effort to try and change his mind. But it's a chinese shill. Most likely a part of the 50-cent army
Maybe he listens to all the people that gets Chinese ships and aircraft that say what they get is not made well. Kind of like Chinese buildings and so many other things.
"He is" for your future posts paid for by the CCP!