Why is Ed top tier in SFV ?
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- čas přidán 17. 02. 2023
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In this video i will be discussing why is Ed a very powerful character in SFV.
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Honestly, I've thought Ed was extremely good the entire time he's existed. I hate him, but he's GOOD.
Another reason that makes flicker so good: he can whiff something like a cr.LP or cr.MP in neutral, the opponent tries to whiff punish, and they get smacked by flicker. Flicker itself is ridiculously difficult to whiff punish.
Yup
It can be punished but if Ed isn't braindead the most you can get off it is a poke or a 2-hit
Great video! I'm curious how EndingWalker plays differently than other Ed players too.
He got very fast reaction and is amazing on offense. His ability to condition the opponents is top tier
Love your videos mate. Can you do one on Guile? Thanks
I can try xd
Three words three numbers. One two three!
Makes me wonder what they'll keep/change with Ed in SF6
The meter burn followup after Flicker definitely feels like proto-Overdrive.
reminds me of Mortal Kombat meter burn moves
Another thing to add to his ex dp is that it's one button,
Now every body wants to talk about ed
nice video
I've been with the character since he dropped in 2017 when he was terrible so him finally being good is phenomenal. Him being in 6 makes me very excited for next year
Did you give us 1,2, 3 reasons why?
Ed has come a long way from a character that was trash tier to now where he looks like a beast. And EndingWalker usually the first name that comes to mind regarding Ed players.
"If u not with me on my lowest .... Don't come to me when I'm my best "
I was there then and still here now
I'm glad he is coming back in sf6
One last push I'm gonna make on ladder until 6 comes out to reach gm ( in ultra diamond)
As someone who looks like Ed (what can I say I’m biased to blondes) I can’t wait to see how he will look/play in SF6
One thing I will say, is whilst yes, Ed's cr MP is a EXTREMELY good poke, with 12f recovery, and virtually no hurtbox.
It does lose to some things on startup, but those normals are also broken ( EG; Karin ST MP, Birdie ST MP, Falke ST HP/STMK, ECT )
And it is NOT a good buffer, which is where Ed's only real weakness lies, his whiff punishment is weak overall, aside from doing sweep, Ed struggles to whiff punish things with extended hurtboxes, as the cancels are lightly to whiff.
CR MK is a better buffer tool but easier to whiff punish and slower than cr mp, cr mp cancels whiff on block/hit, so you can confirm cr mp > upper at not even max range and it'll whiff. Buffering cr mp > flicker whiffs max and near max range too, leaving you easily punished.
Eds still broken tho
Thanks a lot for the comment and congrats on the great performance during CC.
I see you fishing sometimes with cr.LP as a buffer is that good or you don't think he got a buffer aside from cr.MK ?
@@MCMuraFGC thanks! And no its not a great buffer. You can buffer his cr mp but it's risky if youre not aware of the space, which makes it not amazing.
Mura make an analysis of the Capcom ix tournament.
I really wanna talk about Zhen
@@MCMuraFGC please do. From lcq to the sfv league to the top 16 to final. Then talk about why punk and most of the US athletes failed and how from nowhere zhen came in. Pls 🙏🏻🙏🏻
0:28 ah yes. You also have the 3 punches ex dp.
1:22 ah yes and you get momentum off that. yep
4:24 st.lp > st.mp > cr.mp/cr.mk > spark and from there he can get another guess or a confirm.
4:33 yes this is kind of insane. Probably the most plus non counter-hit grounded normal. and frame 5.
5:23 damn he got the -2 dash after forward throw midscreen? Didn’t know
5:37 lol
Might have to make a Ed account lol
There is actually what seems to be an oversight with Ed's flicker that makes it go farther than it should.
In one of the patches they created a longer range version to come out from canceled jabs to improve consistency of buffering into it at max range. The oversight is that this version also comes out when he karas into it from the jab (Ed can cancel jabs into flicker on all frames including during the startup and on whiff).
The result is that even when Ed's jab whiffs, the flicker comes out ahead of it to cover the distance so you still have to block. If it was flagged so the regular flicker came out on whiff jab then both would whiff allowing for a punish.
TLDR Ed gets unintended range boost on flicker when he mashes jab into it.
That is very interesting
Make flicker more punishable then it would be fair. That move is ridiculous
I think it was fine before they added the ex knuckle ender
He was crap character for so long. Im happy to see him finally working out
I am rooting Ed to win Capcom cup psycho uppaaaaah
psycho uppa!
Overall ed is strong bc he has no commands 😑
I just wanna see him in sf6 with his new re design and new graphics
l'm lucky both of my mains are coming back cammy and ed now l want sean and then l'm good
I played this character ever since the beta times when he was first available, no way am I dropping him now that he's top tier.
I kinda thought he was top tier when VT2 was first announced but I'm very biased when it comes to my characters 😂😂😂
I've said it years ago but people kept talking back at me saying this character sucks.
Now Ending Walker is doing great with him that today everyone is saying this char is a Top Tier? oh really? 😅😅😅
Ending denies this so,let’s see.
No I don't deny this haha... I think Ed is top 6/7 rn haha, I've been saying Ed is top tier for a while now
Question answered be cause he is blonde
Don't believe me ask Luke !
Let me guess 123
Three reasons: 1-2-3
The fact the you guys let Ed do flicker back to back shows you don't know the match up, you can take your turn back with a 6 frame button, the only thing Ed can do about that is, delay button to whiff punish your button, but y'all just let him steam roll because you're clueless, flicker into flicker is the fakest shit Ed can do lol
Not every character has a 6f long enough
Not only that, but you can do Ed's ST Lk to beat certain 6f's like Bisons CR MP after making them block flicker
His vtrigger 2 is overpowered, almost half screen instant guard break into a 50/50 strike throw mixup. If you guess wrong you lose like 40% of your health.
is not overpowered at all and u dont know what u talkign about to do the half hp combo u need to do a entire combo plus ca to even to that damage if u saw the capcom cu p ucan notice that 50/50 u talking about is just so ez to counter it is not hard u can even fucking dp in the middle of it to stop ed 50/50 u just dont have a clue of wtf u talking about
Reversal is always an option
cuz his particle effects lag the game
I think its the button mashing
Been talking about the irritating easy use strength of ED for a long time, and people just laughed at me. So Annoying to see it took this long for people to see it.
You forget his number one "plus"
He has no motion inputs and is super noob friendly for noobs to use.
well yes and no. it's base on what controller your using and how good are you at mashing buttions quickly I tried ed before all the buffs for him came out and i had a hard time just doing flicker in the neutral on pad. but I got to super diamond on characters with normally motion inputs.
@@naquan59 most noobs find motion control characters difficult and him and falke were clearly designed for noobs, in their control schemes.
While I too often find button mash moves to get out consistently in nuetral as I cannot press 1 button fast to get them out in neutral, the trick is to plink buttons.
So someone like honda you plink 5 buttons and the last one, the 5th, is the strength of the 100 hand slap, with ed I think you only have to mash 4, or possible 3.
that has zero impact on tier placement whatsoever. Noobs aren't winning CPT
@@Ganmorg WTF are you talking about?
@@Stinkyremy I'm saying you're wrong and cringe
You re missing a lot of things there. St mk doesn't hit crouching characters except from very close. St hk is -4 and very hard to space OR you would get punished. St hp is slow at 11f and is a knockdown CC, which is not very good. He has no overhead, poor whiff punish tools, EX psycho upper is super easy to bait, even with mediums, he has no defense against cross ups, can be safe jumped, his back dash is very bad and his vreversal is one of the worse in the game. He got way better in the last version thanks to his grab range buffed from 0.80 to 0.85 and the extension on flicker because Ed shines in the corner.
For once, it looks like you don't know the character much to place him in the top tier category with the likes of Poison, Luke, Dalhsim, Cody, Ken, Laura, Juri, Falke, Bison etc... In this version, he is probably in the A- tier but people are not use to fighting him yet and are not aware of his flaws and how to exploit them.
I'm gonna number these by appearance in case that makes it easier to have a super heated internet argument.
1. St mk connects on crouch from further than than st jab. It connects after pushback from any 2 lights, which is fairly standard.
2. St hk is a matter of balance. If you CC, you get some v-meter and a decent-ish combo. If it's blocked, you get hit with a really low damage combo, and that's if the character can even reach (ex, it's very easily spaced against Juri, but if not, then non VT, no meter, she can't even get a knockdown without her heavy store. Characters that can can easily reach (ryu, sakura) are usually get only something like lk > dp
3. 11 frames is _very_ fast for a crush counter that reaches as far as Ed fierce does. With its charge mechanic, you can trip the opponent up into getting CCed by it, which, while isn't going to convert into damage, builds hella v meter and and gives decent oki. Low risk with alright reward.
4. Overheads aren't all that. The vast majority of them are heinous garbage, and not having one is not a series disadvantage.
5. The whiff punish point is probably something I could see myself agreeing with. I wouldn't say "poor" because his walk speed and cr mk are ok, but with subpar range and conversions, I can see the struggle there. This is also mentioned in the video.
6. Ed's DP trades speed for ease of use and ability to beat wake up, well, just about anything. Normals, throws, reversal, delay. For defense, it's not a great wake-up option itself, but it's still ok for interrupting medium pressure strings. (he's got another tool for that situation that I'll mention later)
7. Everyone has a defense against crossups in the form of jump normals. It's not ideal post-interaction, but it's easy, fairly consistent, and gives your opponent another thing to think about when jumping in.
8. Not much to say about safe jumps except that, in my extremely subjective experience, I don't see it often, and I'm not sure that it's a big disadvantage, idk.
8. Okay, this is where I decided I had to make this reply, because Ed's backdash is mega cracked. While it's duration is middling and it's distance is pretty bad, it's speed, how fast it gets from it's start to end position, is bonkers. It allows him to backdash out of pressure that most characters have nightmares about. The situation that comes to mind mika's charged dropkick to light kick. There is a two frame gap there, and Ed just doesn't even have to take it.
@@Giraffinator I was gonna say the same thing about his backdash. Ed has one of the best backdashes in the game (if not THE best).
Ed is hella cheap 😂
I hope Capcom reconsiders and never brings this abomination back
Well....he is on the SF6 leaked roster
No mention of how embarrasingly stupid it is on Capcom's part that a character that is meant for beginners is now a top tier character, with some of the most abusable nonsense in the game.
Capcom should really outsource the balancing of their fighting games; they don't know what the hell they are doing. And people should really calm down about EndingWalker - he's just better at abusing the abusable nonsense of an incredibly stupid and stupidly balanced character. Honestly, fighting game fans are some of the most impressionable people in all of gaming.
Ed has zero mixups outside of vtrigger, and even then everyone has anti fireball tools for vt1 and vt2 just block and take the throw. Every one has shit on Ed for last 5 years, bottom of every tier list and now people are bitching about him being top tier cuz there's 1 standout player. Again Ed has no mix, no left right, no high low with the lack of an overhead. He has strike throw. That's it. If you get smoked by Ed you deserve it, he's as honest as it gets. Great video mura!
@@Garyonthekickdrum Pray-tell, which character do you play?
outsource to who? Every game has tier lists. Every game has strong and weak characters. Nothing can be 100% balanced. Are you new to fighting games?
@@kccts44 “noooo but if someone else does the balancing then it’ll finally be good”
- salty SF, MK, Tekken, Smash, GG etc. players
@@petertromp8786 Get rekt kid
Because requires Zero excecution, which saves tons of time of training and studying. End of video.