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Boeing VS. Airbus! What I've learned as a PILOT flying the 737 and A330
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2024
- Boeing vs Airbus. Join me to explore the nuanced differences between the Boeing 737 and an Airbus model, through the experienced eyes of a pilot.
Having flown both Boeing and Airbus aircraft, including the 737 and A330, I offer unique insights.
Dive into contrasting cockpit philosophies, where Boeing's classic conservatism meets Airbus' futuristic innovation, complete with side-stick controls and a reassuring "fly-by-wire" system.
From control variations and landing dynamics to managing failures via ECAM and EICAS, we decode it all.
Discover Airbus' sleek "dark cockpit" concept and visualize enhanced cockpit comfort. Unveil the captivating contrast between Boeing and Airbus, and why the allure of one beckons us back. Don't miss out!
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Hey!
Really impressive video man, I really enjoyed watching it.
Great lighting, editing and it’s funny.
Well done
Hi Mentour
Hey mentour!
Thanks a lot mate!
I Appreciate it 🙌
Love your channels Petter!
Hi Petter!
As an aircraft mechanic that works 737, 787 and A320 family, I prefer working the Airbus. From a maintenance perspective, Airbus’s troubleshooting through the MCDU is much more intuitive than the 737. Also, the 737’s overhead panel looks like a dyslexic 12 year old with ADHD designed it.
"737's overhead panel looks like a dyslexic 12 year old with ADHD designed it" Im saving this and hanging it on the wall
The problems with 737 are many. First one, Boeing prefer to pay share holders than engineers. Second, the 737 is too low on landing gears, they should have continued the 757
I get your point, but even a B737-800 is much easier to work on than a B737-200 basic.
What do you think about A350 Neo ? Is it good to maintain ?
@@achaz_ The only opinion I have on the wide body aircraft is that they fly too far. KPHX to PHNL was my limit at 6 hours and 45 minutes. I prefer short to medium length stage lengths. As for comfort, the Airbus has a huge advantage with the tray table and no yolk in front of you, but if have to fly a 7-hour flight I would take a B757 or B737 (with new seat cushions) over an Airbus (does not matter on old or new, they just start hurting after about 4 to 5 hours).
As a retired Boeing Flight Analyst, I'm impressed with the accuracy of this video. The diffrences between companies may be related to philosiphy. Airbus seems to work hard to eliminate pilot error. Boeing: warn the pilot, but allow that the pilot may know something the computer doesn't such as emergency evasive manovers. Also modern Boeing airplanes do have digital checklists.
Both approaches can be valid depending on the situation. One might save the day, while the other fails and vice-versa.
However, according to FAA most of the incidents are caused by human error. Some sources point to 80% human error on aircraft accidents. That easily points which is the right direction.
I usually say that it would be very hard to accept any fatalities due to "computer error". ...but if the same computers, help save from the majority of the accidents, we just have to keep improving the computers and the software along with better training for the pilots, because we're also seeing pilots forgetting how to fly when the computers are not available for some reason.
Airbus can as well in Alternate Law, so in emergencies it's different.
My complaint on the airbus. When the pilot moves the ailerons the copilot controls also move. On the 747. Where on the airbus they're independent and not as safe.
@@miks564my problem there. The pot should be superior and always flying the plane. Pilot. And the computer always subordinate. The pilot always knowing what's happening where the computer never out starts ir confuses the pilot. Only my opinion. Ou
Out smarts I mean.
Only other thing my dad was a Boeing engineer. I miss my dad.
In my opinion I would choose Boeing because you have more feel of awareness of what the pilot and AP is doing and I like flying yoke feeling than sidestick.
I had the pleasure to fly B 737 and A 310 and I'm shure, you would love the A 310.
In my opinion, it combines the best of Boeing and Airbus. You have the moving Throttles, the „normal“ Yoke and the ECAM System.
Just perfect, but I know, an Oldtimer right now... :(
Would have loved to fly the 310 but i guess that's never going to happen.
Have a good day ✌️
@@Pascalklrstill about 50 are flying
@@snailwt i saw one of them a few weeks ago
I flew the A310, the 320/30/40 as well as the 757/67/77.
Never got warm with the A310, even after 2 years. After transitioning to the 767 I felt like at home after two months.
The 757/767 are very similar.
Having 10,000+ hours on B737, B757 and B747 and 10,000+ hours on A320, A340-300 and 500 I would choose an Airbus over a Boeing every time, especially in bad weather.
You are in the distinct minority with that opinion...every pilot I've ever spoken to about the matter has said just the opposite
@@jeremyelford7926 Although I prefer Boeing aircraft, actually he isn't. I've been all over reddit, twitter, in youtube comments on aviation and many who has flown both companies aircraft said they prefer Airbus. I came across folks like @scottiebateman from twitter who flew the 747-400, then went to the A350 and said he would never willingly go back to Boeing. In a reddit post recently with a 737 vs A320 comparison, almost all of the pilots who flew both chose the A320. Of course I came across some who do prefer Boeing and for good reason. As far as choice in bad weather on the other hand, yea he's in the minority.
@@jeremyelford7926 I am not a pilot but have some pilots in my circle of friends. Some fly Boeing, others Airbus. And some have switched from one manufacturer to the other. One current Airbus pilot told me that he now felt like he was in Telsa after driving a Lada. Both manufacturers have clear advantages and disadvantages. But the pilots always respect each other's views. You, on the other hand, make statements here to make your favorite manufacturer look "better". And you know what, I don't believe you!!! You make a statement to get yourself and your opinion validated. You don't get it from me because of my experiences and conversations. There is no such thing as a better manufacturer or better System.
Troll
@donsland Why?
I've flown both as well. For a day to day tool IMHO the A320 beats the 737 hands down. Bigger, quieter cockpit with a tray table. Much easier to fly, requiring far less pilot input. Stall protection such that Winshear and Terrain manoeuvres you get maximum performance on the edge of the envelope. Automated systems so it's much easier to configure. Autopilot rudder control enabling CAT3B to 75m RVR and yaw protection in the event of an engine failure. I agree that the 737 is more rewarding to fly, BUT if you're doing it 10 hours a day, 5 days a week then the Airbus wins hands down IMHO. Colleagues from similar backgrounds would call the 737 'The Tractor'.
That's why I have a lot of respect for Southwest pilots over here. It's not that uncommon (if I'm not mistaken) for those guys to do 4-5 legs a day in their 737s.
Airbus is for pilots that can’t fly planes
Yes, and that is why there are pilots who, without automation, drop the plane like those on Air France flight 447, that once the autopilot was disabled due to not having the speed data from the frozen pitot tubes, They had no idea how to pilot the ship.
I always feel safer flying the Airbus.
The us government has corruption with the fed reg agencies perks revolving door and the congress campaign finance racketeering corruption where England does not.
Boeing is safer.
That comment is even truer now
Embraer >
@@mr.redneck2715yes Boeing is extremely safe, I mean VERY safe 💀
As a non pilot living in the US, I grew up a fan of Boeing. Today I honestly think I’d feel more confident on an Airbus given Boeing’s track record over the last several years. I hope Boeing can recover and move past the awful culture they’ve had for years in regards to safe aircraft. I don’t want to fly in a max. It never should have been built.
I am going to add that Airbus will start implementing force feedback to their side sticks in the future aircrafts, meaning that the pilots side sticks will now provide feedback according to the handling of the plane but also from each others inputs. I believe some of the new A320XLR of which the first few are currently in the final assembly lines in Hamburg might be using them, or they will in the near future
"Active Side Stick" 👍
How will it work? I've already had the 777 fbw system explained to me.
@@ryanlittleton5615 basically you have small electric motors that can control the side sticks
@@vizenderThat'll be interesting with the Airbus' auto-trim.
Active sidestick I think they will use computer to mimick the other stick's movement
Next week I’m going to be at my first day as a pilot student in Denmark ,you video made me more ready and prep for what I’m going to do for next 2 years and you are like my motivation for being pilot.thank you and wish you the best🙏❤️
That means a lot my friend! Thank you very much. Enjoy your next chapter mate! 🙌
Er der nogen mulighed for at høre din historie.og Hvordan du blevet pilot og hvem du skal flyve for :)
I would really like to hear your story on how you are experiencing your studies.
do u have a degree
Subscribed! I love your enthusiasm. Being an ATR pilot for two decades, I prefer Airbus over Boeing simply because ATR and Airbus share same philosophies. I have flown A320 and B737 simulators, and both are incredible. But if I had to choose, well, then it would be a Piper Cub.
Thanks mate 🙌
I have flown both Boeing and Airbus.….And this young man( I say this with all respect..I’m an old guy with 24000 hours) is spot on!
Each type has its good points and ok points. I enjoyed each type...
Over all I prefer Boeing….The 757 is a real hot rod but the 767 is the sweetest flying machine.…finger tip handling and very comfortable.✈️
You choose old planes because you are old 😅
Was flying the 777 for 3 years and now since 2 years on the 320. I have to say, airbus wins in every point EXCEPT the A/THR. It‘s just to inconsistent and not exact enough - not even mentioning this awesome table 😂
😅 i can relate!
I went the other way (A320 to B777) and found the 777 to be overall better. Agreed on the Athr though, I really like the Boeings ability to give it a nudge up or down on a really windy day… Airbus it’s either in or out.
Ok I’m. Not a pilot. But with everything computer controlled vs Boeing being more mechanical I feel the old school way being mechanical is a little more fail safe as long as it’s maintained properly
@@davidsteckley8846 Um, the 777 and 787 has computer controls (FBW) too like a FBW Airbus. Just saying.
@Pascalklr as a flying public, if I can help it, I would not fly on anything named 737.
"Boeing is like a christmas tree" got me😂😂😂😂
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Loved the video, and definitely, we have to enjoy the 737 while it lasts, it’s probably the last generation of airliners in which you actually fly the airplane and not the other way around
The workload in the Boeing is simply higher, Airbus because it’s less workload provides greater time for the pilot to work through failures. Which in turn makes its safer.
When we are comparing a 60s designed aircraft to an 80s designed aircraft there really isn’t any comparison. The yolk connection argument and throttles moving argument has been used for years by Boeing pilots and fan boys, but in reality it comes down to what you are accustomed too and embracing a change. There is no advantage other than what you put in your own mind. Airbus wins for me all day.
Do you work on them?
Flown them both in the simulator
Dual yoke control can be a valued asset while training a junior pilot. They feel each others controls.
And now they only get to touch their own stick 😭
While this is a compelling argument, I guess that when you do a type rating on one of these planes, you have definitely seen your fair share of smaller trainer aircraft (and simulators) where such very direct training is valuable. I only fly gliders, but with more advanced student pilots, you typically rather verbalize the instructions/guidance. That being said, it might be feedback to the FI.
Seriously though, this is the best Beoing vs Airbus video I've ever seen. My philiosophy as a passenger is this: for 99% of the flights I feel safer on an Airbus. However when the shit hits the fan, I'd prefer a Boeing pilot to fly manually. Air France 447 burns deep in my memory.
As a passenger, Airbus all the way. I am tall and those extra inch seat width on the A320 and wider cabin make a huge difference for me. A380 is the best passenger experience hands down.
Loved the airbus system. But being old school pilot I missed the yoke for two reasons, the artificial loading feel and knowing what the other pilot yoke input is
As someone who is about to start an integrated course to become a pilot next year I absolitely love your vids, keep it up!
Thank you men that means a lot 🙌
Let's look at comparable models, that being Boeing 737 and Airbus A320.
End of August 2023, Boeing has delivered 11.535 737s, and end of June 2023 Airbus has delivered 10.948 A320. So in both cases we have statistically relevant sizes. Looking at incidents with total write-offs we see these figures:
Model Incidents Fatalities
Boeing 737 215 5633
Airbus A320 40 1128
Looking at these numbers it is safe to say that an Airbus A320 is 5 times (!!!) safer than a Boeing 737. That said, I rest my case.
Whilst I prefer Airbus,
You forgot some important information....
The 737 entered service in 1968
The Airbus A320 entered service in 1988
So the 737 has been flying for 20 years longer.
And then when you factor in lessons learnt over that period, the different time periods, the huge focus on safety these days etc.
It isn't surprising that the A320 has the better record.
Very interesting to hear a pilots view….as a passenger I really enjoy your explanations of how things work !!
I spent 6 years flying the 737 (7/8/Max8). Now I’m on the Airbus A3(19/20/21/21NEO). I don’t miss the 737 at all. [sidenote regarding thrust levers: I don’t see why they couldn’t also move on the Airbus. My guess is that Airbus levers don’t move because it’s cheaper, less complex, and lighter to rely on detents and movement by hand. You get used to it. It only takes a couple of times of not “making a lollipop“ when disconnecting them before you remember to match the lever position with commanded engine output.]
I work for Boeing and really appreciate your comment. I think that is why Airbus is taking the market now. There are some good reasons behind it especially the design and culture of both companies. Boeing has been in the business long and they stopped innovating their product while Airbus has a lot of room to change things
TAROM Flight 371 maklles an EXCELLENT point why not moving Throttels make sense.
The mechanism that moves them is a potential failure source. The Tarom flight crashed BECAUSE the throttels move by A/P and every motorized mechanism has to be maintained and is prone to fail. In the Tarom case, one lever wasn't greased enough and didn't move as good as the other, creating asymetrical thrust that overwhelmed a copilot in the most workload-intense phase of flight happening with a medical problem of the captain.
This crash would 1000% shure not have happend on a modern Airbus because the throttle moving system DOES NOT EXIST. Failure mode ELIMINATED.
As a passenger perspective I feel safer on an A320 rather than a 737NG. I'm also a MSFS enthusiast who logged 2000+ hrs on Fenix A320 and about 500 on 737NG and the amount of things that the A320 simplifies really amazes me, and if you put that in the context that the A320 was born in 1987 I'm absolutely flabbergasted.
All this to say: in my point of view, everything that can simplify the work of the pilots is welcomed. Especially for short haul ones, that have to get through checklist multiple times a day. Thats the reason I personally, as a passenger and MSFS simmer, prefer the A320 (which is more spacious and quieter than 737).
Same
As a passenger I had a connecting flight with the first leg on an A320 and the second on a 737-800. TBH, in the 737 it felt as if we were going to run out of runway before getting the wheels off the ground. It seemed to take that much longer. Never noticed it before or after, but haven't had any more back-to-back flights as these either. But the result is that I now automatically think of A320 as the more powerful and thus more reliable plane.
@@lroke2947 Maybe the 'eternal' takeoff run was under hot and high conditions? Both have a lot of influence and also the load, of course. For every takeoff, the length and speeds have to be calculated.
@@gottfriedheumesser1994 Nah, It was Frankfurt either early December or late March. The A320s were Lufthansa, the 737-800s SunSomething (SunExpress?).
@@lroke2947 Laut technischen Daten sollte da kein wesentlicher Unterschied sein, bei MTOM sind bei beiden 2100m zu erwarten.
I think it's interesting seeing the different design philosophies behind the two airframers. With Boeing the Pilot seems to be treated with a certain kind of infallibility, whilst in Airbus, sometimes it feels like the designers consider the pilots more of a liability. Obviously somewhere in between, where the humans behind the controls can bring the sort of complex problem solving skills in an emergency that a computer cannot, is desirable, and given the stellar safety record of aviation these days, I suppose both manufacturers have managed to find that balance to some degree.
Well, it’s clear which is safer.
You know how many Airbus crash when the plane is in normal law? (all flight envelop protection active)
Zero.
All Airbus accidents happened when the plane is flying in alternate law either due to malfunctions so the plane gave back full control to the pilots, or pilot think he is smarter than computer and decided to disable the computer… didn’t turn out well.
You can’t even intentionally crash an Airbus in normal law. It won’t let you do it. The suicide A320 pilot, he had to disable the computer by pull out the circuit breakers so he can fly the plane into the mountain.
Also Boeing kinda already decided to go down the Airbus route and quietly adopted fly-by-wire. Newer design like 787 is fully FBW with flight envelop protection…
so 🤷🏻♂️
I’ll be honest, I agree, but I’m too scared of the Boeing lovers out there. I mean Boeing is a great company, they make great planes, but some pilots get angry at Airbus about this…
@@tonamg53Excellent points, with the disclaimer that I'm not a pilot.
I do love flying--whether in a 747 or Cessna 172--but I was disgusted with Boeing when the details of the Max disasters were revealed.
Their deliberate prioritization of profits and expediency over safety was unconscionable. It makes me want to boycott the Max, not due to lingering safety concerns (although in my non-expert opinion MCAS was a jerry rig to compensate for putting that new huge nacelle on a wing and fuselage not designed for it.)
I realize this wouldn't make one bit of difference to the company's execs. Perhaps it's silly. But I'm not sure how anyone could fully trust Boeing again, no matter how airworthy the Max.
@@tonamg53 "You can't even intentionally crash an Airbus in normal law"
So what? Somebody who wants to crash the plane, as you yourself mentioned, will simply just find a way to bypass this.
@@kentstallard6512 Boeing isn't a person. Over time old execs will move out and new ones in. They were an exceptional company before the MD buyout, and hopefully will become one again.
Great commentary. I've been in the cockpit of both 737 and A320 in real life and in MSFS and the Boeing is definitely more "hands on" and raw feeling. A little more exciting. But the Airbus is definitely more comfortable and helpful. It's a bit like the difference between an old classic car and a Lexus. haha
That's a perfect Comparison 🙌
I'm not a pilot but I was thinking Mechanical vs. Virtual. The yoke vs joystick sums it up.
As a layman I completely understand why Pascal would prefer the yoke. It's more tactile, tangible.
Very good explanation , on gusty approaches it’s a no go to fly the plane ( fight the gust’s) because the computer in between the stick and the flight controls is moving the elevators to hold 1 G , the ailerons to hold constant bank , the rudders to prevent yawning , that’s all with max 45 degr. / sec and that is offen not sufficient !!! ( a CRJ has a roll rate of 140 der./ sec !!) so when a real PILOT ( not a airplane operator)try to fly this airbus , it’s gettin worse . They are so many mishaps with airbus ! EMB 170-195 , Boing 777 etc. they all have fly by wire with simultaneous moving thrust levers and control yoke’s . The computers only prevent tail strikes ( TO,LDG) stalls but they let the PILOTS fly the plane !!! Fore example , on a A340 , airbus wanted to build a plane without QRH ( norm,abnorm emergency checklists) the ECAM should cover everything ! In the end the QRH was so thick , it didn’t fit in airplane holder !!!! As a airplane operator or license holder ( office)you should fly a airbus and stay on the ground if it’s very gusty !. If you are a PILOT you can FLY all the other planes .
@@reinerressel975 The Hudson miracle where the A320 held a 7° pitch while descending perfectly invalidates your point. The computer knew this 7° angle was the safest to crash land and voilà, no casuality
@@reinerressel975 I'm not sure I understand your point. You start by saying, don't fight the gusts, which is correct if your flying fly-by-wire because the computers do that job.
So, why stay on the ground if its very gusty? You can still correct the flying path if the aircraft deviates from it, you just don't need to fight as hard as on old conventional planes.
With all the plane spotters out there, there are tons of videos online with very gusty approaches with all kind of planes, most of them probably fly-by-wire machines. - the others are old school and being replaced as aviation moves forward.
On behalf of A330 passengers: thank you for your service. Any time booking a long haul flight I have my fingers crossed for A330.
Thanks 🙌
If I was ever told I would be getting on an A330, I would reschedule/cancel my trip. I would much rather take a 767, 777, or 787.
@@thebrain7441 Let me guess, Air France 447 the reason?
@@CoasterGuy787 No, as an American, I simply do not support Airbus.
@@thebrain7441 Oh, well, alright.
You came to Airbus from Boeing so i can understand why you like hand flying the Boeing better as that's what you are used to. There is absolutely no comparison in hand flying as Sidestick + Auto Trim makes life so easier. Seen and trained previous Boeing pilot that struggle a lot with a sidestick cause they simply don't understand the Aircraft and still fly it like a Boeing. You are spot on about the Boeing but definitely not about the Airbus.
Im 16 years old and my biggest dream is becoming a Pilot and your vids really show me what i need to expect when i finaly get into flight school. You got My SUB
Thanks mate i really appreciate it!🙌
Brilliant, and funny at the same time. Nice video, and it's good to see an objective view on the differences from a pilot! I'm not a pilot, but an aviation enthusiast, so there's a lot of what goes on at the front of the plane that I don't know about, so thank you very much for the insight.
Thank you very much! Glad you liked it 🙌
Over my Career I was fortunate to fly Lockheed Douglas Bombardier Boeing and Airbus.
Many 1000s of hours on Airbus and Boeing.
I much prefer the newer Boeing aircraft. In my opinion the design is superior as is the handling.
The Widebody Boeings have gigantic cockpits.
The Auto flight systems are more straight forward and the moving throttles are essential to good situation awareness.
Remember the basics. Attitude and Power are the basics of Instrument flying.
With Boeing you always know immediately what your engines are up to.
My favorite aircraft is the 767 ... with the 777 300ER and 200 LR close behind.
Just one guys opinion.
If your just out of training on Airbus it is a more confusing aircraft until you learn all the gotchas.
To be fair, the blue lights on the 737 overhead only light up when something is available (gens) or a valve is in the open position, which when I flew the E jet would display an EICAS message saying the valve was open. Everything else (besides the window heat for some reason) was dark during normal ops.
True! ✌️
I've been flying an airbus A320 family for a little over a year now. Never flew a Boeing but I've probably got a few hundred hours worth of jumpseat time in a 737. Flew Embraer 175's for six years. It's crazy how I've already forgotten about things like manual pitch trim. I do agree with a lot of the points you made. The lack of interconnectivity in the sidesticks sucked when I was learning how to fly the thing, particularly when flying into gusty conditions. Having that visual representation was nice and was sorely missed...I actually needed additional OE in the airbus because my landings sucked. The thrust levers not moving doesn't really bother me. They Embraer had autothrottles that moved but at times they were completely stupid and I'd have to override them. Never had a problem with the autothrust in the Airbus.
But for me, the pilot comfort of an airbus covers a multitude of sins. Being able to spread out, the tray table to have all my notes and everything right in front of me on the ground and to eat my crew meals in flight like a human being, taking the headset off in cruise, all of that is worth the faults of the Airbus. When I started with my current airline I was based in NYC and often did transcon flights to LA and San Francisco in an Airbus. In the winter, going from NYC to LA was like 6 hours. You can do 6 hours in an Airbus A321 cockpit no problem. I could not imagine doing it in a 737 cockpit.
I am an Airbus pilot now. But have a job offer at all 73 operator. And while I’m still deciding what I want to do but I’m kinda dreading the 737 position simply for the pilot comfort, and no ecam reasons. I think no matter where I’m at I’ll always choose Airbus
My airline is all Boeing…lots of happy pilots here
Transitioning from Airbus to Boeing is fairly easy. Boeing to first Airbus is difficult.
Comparing diff. Generations. Modern Boeings inc legacy 777 have fbw and electronic checklists. Boeing respects pilot abilities and need to override the system if neccessary and enables an overall better awareness of whats going on in cockpit and with the aircraft.
Beautifully done! Thanks! I haven't flown in 18 years and the only things I've flown briefly ( apart from training aircraft ) would be the King Air and a very brief stint on the 737-400. I always wondered about the mysterious Airbus....."autotrim" ( HeHe)...I'd say 'trim' is >the< thing that makes a fixed wing aircraft what it is.....I'd find it difficult to have the trim "done" for me....would kind'a feel left out of the loop....but it obviously works.....'cause almost half the world is flying the Airbus family....probably just a matter of wrapping one's head around it....
Recht herzlichen Dank und echt gelungener Clip!
It is lovely how Pascal holds the Mic. And the content is competent too. Thanks!
Thanks a lot 🙌
How many 'likes' and 'subscribes' does he need to get to be able to afford a mic stand?
That was a Really interesting video!! Did not know any of these differences. Agree completely about the thrust levers and ‘feel’. Important senses for a pilot!!
In short I might say ,
Airbus - fully computerized , like an EV.
Boeing - Partially computerized, like Manual CAR
Airbus - More advanced, flies more by itself.
Boeing - Less advanced, flies as you fly it.
Airbus - for modern boys
Boeing - for Men :D
Airbus - pretty much like AI , gets things done easily own its own.
Boeing - old school , have to do a lot from your side.
No offence to both.
Oooh! I love the minimalist cockpit design. I like the more classical control scheme of Boeing, where the pilot has the final decision. I don't fly, but choosing a car, I always pick one that has a good feel in the controls.
I wish Boeing would get their act together and make their planes safe, copy the clean look of the Airbus, and the automatic checklist. The checklist seems awesome!
Ok, this was an awesome review. Really enjoyed understanding the substantiative differences in handling, controls, stability as such between the two aircraft manufacturers. Wow. Great stuff. thank you for doing this.
Glad you enjoyed it!🙌
If you are responsible for hundreds of lives, flying should be safety first. I think Airbus understands that. And Boeing still stuck in the past with books and manuals.
Live comments of a pilot about both companies and 2 their planes. Nice. When companies really understand their positive and negative sides. They can move to something better and together.
Boeing and airbus fanboys:
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How Boeing and airbus actually are:
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As a passenger, I 100 % prefer the Airbus. Specially the A350. In May I’m flying to Bangkok from Brussels. First leg B787, second leg B777. In November again, but than all 4 legs with the A350. Brilliant
I just don’t think there will be another plane quite like the beautiful Boeing 747. I think Boeing is more pilot hands on and keeps them from relying so much on computer automation. I will never forget those videos of the airbuses not letting the pilot control the plane and crashing. Kind of scares me when pilots rely so much on computers flying the plane. Maybe I am wrong?
Loving your videos, really insightful and enjoyable, always looking forward to what you're bringing out next
Awesome video! Really entertaining and informative especially for a casual passenger being a flying enthusiast 🤩 Great job, subscribed immediately 😋
the two old adages: "If if its not a Boeing - i am not going!" & "If its not an Airbus - i am taking the bus!" Airbus Fan - I flew the 777 as a passenger recently and they are noisy not bumpy - the A380 was smooth a baby bottom.
I love the 747 - all generations.🙂
I completely agree with you brother!! I have flown both, now on A320… it’s Boeing 737 all the way for me. The stability in controls and thrust is incomparable, you have the aircraft in your hands in Boeing unlike airbus… which is just too much useless automation for me…
I know the 767 cockpit has a ton of room, especially the freight variant which has 4 nice jumpseats and a galley with room to walk between. The freight galley is basically a coffee machine countertop and an ice chest, but with plenty of room to stretch and take a few steps. (767 is an equiv size aircraft to an A330.)
The non-physical airbus control issues you mentioned were a major contributing factor in the loss of AF447. The French investigation mostly ignored this to protect Airbus from a major redesign issue (a big part of France's economy) but it is pretty clear when you review the data and cockpit transcripts.
From your experience, it sounds like that Boeing (at least with the older planes) seemed to be a more "pilot-ly" maker, whereas Airbus cares more about making the flying experience and "idiot-proof". A bit like the difference between driving a stick-shift car vs. automatic transmission, which has a major difference in driver experience and connection with the car (these days with electric cars you can't even HEAR your own car).
A few weeks ago I had the opportunity to join two flights in an A321 (EDDL - LGSK and back) on the jump seat in the Cockpit.
Absolutely fantastic. Funny thing, when it came to the point to eat something, I asked the captain, where I should place the tablet,. He handed me the big Checkbook to place it on my legs and said... "Well, now you feel like a Boing-Pilot" 😅
Coming from Petter who is the gold standard of aviation videos that's a real compliment.
The main thing I don't like about flying the 320 is crosswind during the approach... While hand flying you can't just make one wind correction and leave it. I have 6000 hours in a crj900 and assuming the wind is steady you make one heading correction and it stays glued.
I understand as a Pilot you prefer the feel feedback of the Yoke, however, Once an airline pilot, that Philosophy should change to safety as Priority. And I think Airbus understood this.
I hate to think that each time I’m on a 737 and technical issue appears, the pilots have to pull a 1000 page book for check list and errors all while stressed out. And the simplicity of the Airbus work is really a charm.
The big issue you mention, not knowing your Co-pilots inputs can be resolve with a simple display with arrows in a compass layout that shows your Co-Pilot inputs. Solves two problem.
Last, we are in 2024, it unacceptable that Boeing can’t have a good Ecas like Airbus.
If I'm not wrong, many pilots like Airbus better because they have quite automated systems, while Boeings are for pilots who like to feel that they are the ones flying the plane and not feel like the device does it automatically just by putting inputs on an iPad.
my mother actually also has that combo she has flown the b737 and since 2018 she now flies the a330 on klm
37 years in McDonalds, Boeing, and Airbus: Airbus is the best office in the sky, this guy is 12 years old?????
You can compare the planes but not the companies. Why? Boeing is an independent company supported by sales and stockholders. Airbuz is a conglomarerate of multiple countries finacially backing Airbus. So, Boeing is on an financial island all by itself.
Finally!! Someone that doesn’t over control the crap out of the 737 😍
Interesting video for us non-pilots. I really appreciate your accommodation of the kids in the cockpit, that's cool.
The most important sounding items to me are as follows. I think the built-in checklist of the Airbus should be mandatory in all planes, plus a backup paper copy. I also think the captain & 1st officer controls should be locked together as independent control sounds unsafe, especially as Airbus averages the inputs.
Thanks for the insightful video!
Totally agree. I was thinking the same thing: the checklist display on the Airbus is a no-brainer. I wonder if Boeing will incorporate it?
Also the paper backup as you mention. But the QRH has been a physical problem on flights where cockpit depressurization has occurred, with pages or the book itself strewn around.
@@kentstallard6512 For the 737 they won't. The Boeing 777 and 787 have electronic checklist. One thing PascalKlr didn't mention is while yes the Airbus displays checklist for certain stuff like engine fire, not all of the procedures has the complete checklist on the screen. Pilots who fly the A320 and A330 families report having to consult the QRH and other papers to find and complete more procedures that weren't displayed on screen where as on the 777 and 787, everything is on the screens. The A380 and A350 rectified that tho. Has everything on the screens like the 777 and 787.
@@CoasterGuy787It might depend on what generation of Airbus family we're talking about: CEOs vs NEOs. The NEOs have modern up to date cockpits.
@@miks564 Well, yea. I was talking about the older models. Not sure if the NEOs have the updated checklist with more info. The ones on the older versions left alot to be desired according to some pilots.
Just as an enthusiast I have always felt safer flying on airbus aircraft. I feel all those safety restrictions actually protect us from human error. Also I feel a Boing is a more profit driven company and are always willing to cut corners for a profit. Like the battery issues with the 787 and the mess with the 737 sensors that killed hundreds. 🤷🏻
If you're just an enthusiast I urge you to stay in your lane. Based on your statement, I gather that you have no real information about the issues the befell the MAX early on. With that as my operating premise, I will tell you that there was never, ever anything wrong with that airplane, either of them. The simple act of flipping either one of two switches would have rendered the stab trim powerless, thus allowing the aircraft to climb out and resume it's normal flight profile...it's not even a maintenance write up. In one instance, the company told the mechanic working on a similar issue the night before, to disable a safety feature in the aircraft in order to expedite the availability of the aircraft. In the other instance, underqualified flight crewmembers didn't follow the QRH. Boeing took the high road on both issues...there was never any problem with the airplane that basic airmanship couldn't overcome.
All companies are profit driven, otherwise they wouldn't be in business.
@@jeremyelford7926 You clearly don't know enough about the topic and I suggest you read more about it.
Boeing was indeed cutting a lot of corners with the MAX and yes, there were some serious wrong things about that aircraft. It's an old cables and pulleys old bucket, not one where we feel comfortable introducing computer flight envelope changes. Not on an aircraft that basically uses a single computer on each flight. ...much less, computer operation based on a single AOA sensor. If the sensor failed, as it did, there was no redundancy.
The MAX was a perfectly fine aircraft if they didn't introduced MCAS to avoid new type certification for the pilots, basically for commercial reasons, not security.
It seems you also expected the pilots to disconnect the automatic trim as if they knew about the MCAS, something Boeing failed to mention. ...and that's assuming it's normal that a plane suddenly decides to dive and if the pilots don't avoid it, the fault is on the pilots, not on the plane.
The thing is, even disconnecting the auto trim as you say, we're left with manual trimming an analogue aircraft where the forces can be very high on the surfaces. And in fact, on the Ethiopian accident, the pilots did switched off the the auto trim ...just to find out they weren't able to trim it manually. ...so they switch on the electric trim assistance again ...and the MCAS came up again ...and we know the rest.
Now, after the FAA forced changes, the 737 MAX is the first 737 operating two computers simultaneously for the needed MCAS redundancy.
Just out of curiosity, Airbus uses 7 flight computers on the 320 family since the late 80s.
@@miks564 I obviously don't know...hmmm. I've been a Maintenance Controller for 7 years for a company that operates the B737NG and B737M9 types, as well as the A320/321neo type, so I'm actually something of an expert on the reliability of all of the above, being as it's as it's my job to safely get them back into service, with 180+ lives depending on my candor in the matter. I've seen raw data on both incidents, and there was no condition on either plane that would've rendered the aircraft unsafe. Poor management in one case and poor airmanship in the other...
As far as all the neato computers and the bells and whistles the A320 series has, and has since 1857 or whatever you said, I'm struck by the one statistic that truly matters: the B737 is far more rugged, much easier to get off the gate in adverse conditions, and the fact that we operate in places in remote Alaska, and all of those routes are served by the Boeing 737; we tried Airbus's as far north as Fairbanks...we quickly pulled the Bus off and replaced it with a Boeing 737. At the same time, we've had Airbus's stuck in Las Vegas and Phoenix because it was too hot for them to fly.
My Boeing 737's get people home safely, and have been doing so since the 1960's...can't say that about an A320.
@@jeremyelford7926That only means we’re all glad that you weren’t part of the FAA investigation that found the serious problem with the MAX and the way MCAS was implemented. Something that for some of us is pretty basic once we understood the problem.
In your opinion, one computer acting on the flight envelope based on data from a single AOS sensor is not a show stopper. And the crews were responsible for not guessing they had to disable trim assistance to get rid of something they hadn’t been properly briefed upon.
That’s brilliant.
I guess Boeing thought the same as you and two crashes were needed to make FAA convince them otherwise.
As for your opinion of the A320 family, I leave it at that since there are now more A320 operating all over the world than 737s. And all over the world is not only on places where isn’t too cold nor too hot.
@@miks564 I don't see any Airbus's in Deadhorse, Alaska. We had A320's stuck in LAS because it was too hot for the fuel system to adequately atomize the fuel to support takeoff thrust.
Basic airmanship would've saved either airplane...Aviate, Navigate, Communicate...flip either of two switches and reduce power (the Ethiopian jet was at takeoff thrust when it hit the ground...I can't help but wonder if having an FO with 200 hours experience might have proven to be a detriment), standard for a runaway trim condition, which can happen on any aircraft that has electric trim.
I'm not saying the system couldn't use improvement. I will say that there has been a huge amount of misinformation about it by the myriad armchair aerospace engineers that have emerged.
I hear all the Airbus fans crow on and on as though no Airbus, ever, has ever had a problem. Nobody ever mentions that Airbus has had the incalculable advantage of watching Boeing make all the mistakes with the 737 over the years and avoid making them. People prattle on and on about the 737 being a 1960's design...perhaps the Airbus apologists should consider asking what Boeing got so right that a nearly 60 year old design is still in front line service, and, at very least, competitive with the newest A320 models...
thank you! love your videos and the editing is becoming top notch
Thanks a lot mate i really appreciate it🙌
The Irkut MC21 has active sidesticks, which means, they are connected, but they also has force feedback. Airbus should also implement that.
So, if I understand you well, during landing you have your eyes 1/ on the throttles and 2/ onthe control column...
I wonder when you look outside and monitor the trajectory of your plane...(scratchchin)
You know , you're quite entitled to your preferences... but stay reasonable.
And by the way, with one engine out, it's throttle could be moving, too.Is that a good indication of what is happening in your aircraft ?
Between my legs, I could have a huge thing but it's mine ! Not a frigging huge mechanical pole.
(BTW, I'm speaking of 25 000 hours on DC-4, 6 B-737 , B-767 , L-1011, B-741,2,3,4, A320 family(318,9, 320,321 and 330)
For me, it's Airbus all the way.
Great video! Honestly I'm surprised that in TUI on the 373 you didn't have memory items for engine fire and you had to get the QRH out straight away like you said in the video!
We had Memory Items. Just didn't say it in the Vid... should have done so! Thanks mate ✌️✈️
And as an ATC ive noticed the long haul wide bodies - Airbus gets to its cieling faster and cruises rest of the way while Boeing does a not if set climbs and not seem to wana go as high as the Airbus A330s and A350s.. Getting to the destination from same departure point Airbus will be Flight level 380 or FL400 while Boeing is still FL 330 or FL350
An old joke was that Boeing had John Deere design their cockpits. Another one has the test pilot coming out for the first flight on the brand new 7X7. He looks around and can't find the cockpit, so he askes the design team. They look at each other and say: cockpit? cockpit? Their jaws drop and they say: oh my gosh, we forgot it. I've done time on all the old Boeings (KC-135A, 707, 727, 737). so I can really appreciate those jokes. My last Boeings were the 757 / 767. They were pretty comfy.
I'm just an aviation enthusiast, and I have to say that I find some of the Airbus vs Boeing discussions here childish. Boeing has a long tradition, created the iconic 747 and was always reliable. Airbus as much younger company managed to become a very successful manufacturer with leading engineering.
I wish for Boeing that they find their way back to put their engineers' voices first, even if that means lukewarm quarterly reports. We are not talking about bicycles quality.
People want great and safe flying experiences, and healthy competition is good for the market. Safe flights!
Have had the pleasure of flying the DC-8, Falcon 20, Boeing 727,737,747,and 744. And the Airbus 330.The bus is quiet and comfortable. The bus autothrust is counterintuitive, and that is an understatement. The bus flight controls are less than optimal during landing in a gusty cross wind situation. The Boeing products are "older tech" . The Boeing will do what you tell it to do. The Airbus thinks it knows better than you.
I saw an A320 flying at almost 90º banking, in an airshow, and very close to the ground, so I suposse you can overcome all the automation and fly it like a plane.
I am happy you like the ECAM. I am one of the Human Factors specialists who designs these ECAM alerts. ❤❤
10 minutes ago i was having a conversation with my brother about this topic and you just made this video thanks
Ex cabin crew here who spent 20 years on 737’s. This video makes me wish I’d spent more time in the cockpit.
Airbus is great, but man do I miss the moving thrust levers from embraer. Especially during approach it is possible to override the a/thr for a few seconds if its response is too slow. With the airbus it's either a/thr on or off and when it's on it's quite a bit slower that the embraer's a/thr. Also the open climb/descent modes are quite sluggish compared to embraer's FL change.
id love to see you get in a sim session on something like a 787 or 777 and do a good few hours in there and do a review and see how it compares to the a330 and if it could tempt you if, for example, you got the offer to fly the 787 for lufthansa, if that could sway you (like keeping everything the same as at eurowings just being lufthansa instead)
Very noice video👍👍 top notch work 👍👍👍👍 your channel deserves more views
Agreed
Thaaank you! 🙌
The fact that Boeing still uses a PHYSICAL BOOK for an emergency checklist is wild. So archaic.
What happens when your display turns off?
@@Wartunder986 let me re-phrase: as PRIMARY checklist.
The 747-8, 777, 787 and 777X have electronic checklists like Airbus and you don't need the book. Boeing was using the electronic checklist since the 777 debut in 1994. It's only the 707-737, older 747s, 757 and 767 that didn't have these where you needed the book.
I appreciate features of both aircraft. The managed modes of the Airbus are really nice for descent to landing. I wish the FCU were more reflective of what the airplane is doing. It’s hard to look at a black screen with a dot and wonder what it’s doing, but the MFDs and visuals are clear enough to clue you in. I have come to appreciate both design philosophies.
So what I'm gathering here is that the Airbus may be a little safer, but the Boeing is much more fun to fly? Excellent videos by the way
0:29 this was the funniest clip I've seen today😭🤣
Your comments about the ECAM compared to the manual QRH on the 737 is accurate. However, I think the electronic checklist on the 777 is far superior to the ECAM.
This is similar to what I have gathered as a bit of an armchair pilot.
The Boeing systems look more fun to fly where you have greater direct control over the aircraft, whereas Airbus looks more comfortable to fly, where you are assisted more.
I would be curious as to which avionics and other flight management systems you prefer to use, if there is one that makes more sense in its design, just the style of the systems, etc.
I must say i didn't like the Airbus MCDU from the start but now i have to say it's way better then the boeing FMS. It a lot more structured.
Thanks for watching 🙌
The main difference I see is Boeing doesn’t make you feel bad during your flare.
Can't argue with these points. That ECAM is something very nice
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Thank you mate highly appreciate it! I would love to do a collab with MYLayoverLife he seems like such a cool dude! 🙌
A fascinating video. Thanks for sharing! Great job!
Glad you enjoyed it!🙌
All of these reasons are why the 787 is the best of both worlds in my opinion. It is modern and comfortable and has tons of systems, but still has the yolk and some traditional system at the same time.
Indeed. Some pilots who have flown both a FBW Airbus and the 787 say the 787 is a comfortable flight deck with lots of modern stuff with some of Airbus logic built into it. Some 787 instructors and pilots say the 787 is the first "Airbus" Boeing has even made. The 787 even has Airbus's roll rate fly by wire feature.
@@CoasterGuy787 very true. captain Bob from the Nomadic Aviation group has 11 type ratings and flies both brands and after getting the 787 type rating he has talked about how amazing that plane is to fly
I flew the 320 for about 10 years and now I’m flying the 787, both great planes. The 787 was so simple to learn to fly, Airbus was harder to understand.
The 787 is a rocket ship but still has some old Boeing mentality like the manual heading selector or the need to do tcas RA manually and without auto throttle , I mean what’s the need. But on the other hand it has technology the 320 still does not have , that’s why I think the perfect aircraft is the A350.
@@FN-rr6mkQuestion: Does the 787 have the checklists on the display, or still just the QRH?
From my layman's perspective the former would seem to be a no-brainer.
@@kentstallard6512 787 has electronic checklists. In fact, it's better as unlike the A320/A330, all the checklist procedures are on the screens where as some of the procedures on the A330 are in books like the QRH.
Major differences: Airbus provides more comfort with the table tray, has more redundancy overall and fewer switches, flap settings etc. So it wins, hands down.
Well , Airbus vs Boeing and comparison in crashes = Boeing loses , Airbus has less crashes than expexted , Boeing more crashes than expected and that cant be an statistical error with thousands of Flights each day with Airbus and Boeing . As a Pilot you may like the more direct steering of a Boeing and be less restricted by a Boeing and less counterchecked by the Computer , but Airbus wins the safety comparison , and sorry , thats for me more important , especially as a passenger . Of course , the percentage of crashes on both sides is very low , both have save Airplanes but Airbus in general is a bit safer . A380 for example , not a single crash in over 20 Years .
Atleast 2 major incident, no crashes. But the difference between a crash and a major failure are minimal. Especially when over 70% of crashes being due to pilot error. It's more about who's you're pilot than the aircraft.
Boeing🫣
The A380 is so ugly, it already looks like it crashed. And has a swollen forehead for its pain.
@@mebeasenseibetter than a Boeing. The name stands already for really serious issues. I don’t fly with Boeing anymore. Only Airbus, better aircraft.
Boeing was the old manufacturer here, the first one before airbus, so it obviously has more crashes, that's how they learn to avoid them (excluding the 737 max)
This is not Boeing vs Airbus. This is very old design 737 (even the MAX fits here) vs Airbus cockpits which can be easily improved over time as computers and tech evolves.
You should fly tailwheel if you miss real stick and rudder flying.
True 💪
Ryanair cadet pilot atm im doing my integrated training and when anyone asks me my fav aircraft it simply the 737 ir 757 as a true pilot.. mayne a330 as longhaul.. you've basically lived my dream
Just two beautiful aircraft 🙌 enjoy your training mate ✈️✌️
@Pascalklr cheers m8 been following your insta since a long time now im on my way to the flightdeck 🤙🤙
Most does not apply to modern boeings inc orig. 777 which IS FBW with electronic checklist. Get some time in matey.
I gotta say, that anyone who has ever flown a helicopter before understands and appreciates the airbus philosophy a little bit better. Because, when a helicopter pilots makes a control input with the cyclic, there is no tactile control feedback. He waits for the resultant change in the aircraft itself. Airbus is basically like flying a helicopter. One could argue that an airbus pilot is more in tune with his aircraft than a Boeing pilot, because the airbus pilot is more attuned to the aircraft’s final movement in response to his input. Whereas the Boeing pilot relies on tactile feedback to gauge his input effectiveness. This degree of feedback changes with airspeed as it does in a smaller her airplane where if airspeed is slow, the pilot notices that the required input to gain a fixed response requires a greater control deflection and those inputs gain the desired input slowly. Versus when airspeed is high, the pilot notices that his inputs to gain the same degree of aircraft moment require less deflection and the aircraft responds faster with that reduced deflection. The airbus has eliminated that complexity by interpreting the control inputs in a different way. When the control stick is moved in an airbus, the airbus interprets that as a change in roll rate/load factor, instead of a change in control surface deflections. This allows the airbus to be more consistent through all phases of flight because the same amount of stick deflections equals the same amount of roll rate for examples through all speed regimes.
I suppose I'm in the minority. I have flownBoeing and Airbus. I personally enjoy flying even after 37 years with my 121 carrier. In my opinion you fly a Boeing as opposed to observing the Airbus. I like situational awareness watching the power levers move and the yoke on the F/O's side move when I move mine. When I flew the A330 I had no idea what the pilot fling was doing. As a side note most guys will think I'm nuts but I can fly Boeings the same way I flew the Martins, Convairs. You can use differential thrust and do a forward slip in a crosswind. In an Airbus, the side stick controls the rate of turn, not angle of bank like a Boeing. So in the Bus you try to kick out the crab at just the right time unless you just let the airplane land in a crab. A Boeing you can actually cross control and fly the plane. Admidittedly havent flown the 73 with the curb feelers or a 74 with the outboard engines with my old techniques.
The missing feedback by joystick is the only critic was allowed to Airboss. The Bombardier A220 have it, and the Comac too. Bring safety.
Airbus planes seem like simulators. If I paid all this money to be a pilot I would want the real experience of flying. Boeing has that, they seem like actual pilots. I’d imagine for long haul flights Airbus are way more comfortable