How to communicate with alien civilizations | David Kipping and Lex Fridman
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Guest bio: David Kipping is an astronomer at Columbia University, director of the Cool Worlds Lab, and host of the Cool Worlds CZcams channel.
Lex looking like he just rolled out of the mothership
Ahaha looks like he's gathering info on how humans are gathering info on alien civilisations
Hahaha
😂😭
Wait no...what?!?! Lex is human. He got borned on Earth, was raised here, and never left. He has 1) never even been in a spaceship and 2) he is not an alien.
Have him on again he’s an amazing speaker and easy to listen to cool worlds lab is one of fav pages
I agree. The only thing that I wasn't a huge fan was the use of his terminology of natural processes as things that are not created by intelligent organisms. Intelligent organism creating things is still technically a natural process, as we were processed by the universe, and I think divorcing ourselves from the universe in that way is not only egotistical but potentially incredibly dangerous towards our eventual harmony with the rest of the universe
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If someone is using synthetic testosterone (steroids) or a woman using implants a natural feature/process ?
@@sethrenville798you think in a very cool way man
Just watch Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. The disclosure team has around 1000 whistle blowers who have worked on black budget projects. Astronauts and Colonel Corso are on the list.
Should go to Joe Rogan. Lex mentioned him his name last time he was on joe’s podcast.
90% of all this goes over my head but I still love it
Soul mate 😂
It’s all of us man
Haha me too, love the honesty, what a legend! 😂
Damn, whole time I was wanting to interviewer to ask better questions 😂
Just watch Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. The disclosure team has around 1000 whistle blowers who have worked on black budget projects. Astronauts and Colonel Corso are on the list.
Love kipping and cool worlds lab have him on again this guy is incredible great interview
Me too.
Old guys want to decide our life in politics, Vr23XR is how WE decide it and not leave it to them. This is key
Go Cool Worlds Lab!!!! Love the content!
Fascinating discussion.
Cool Worlds is an excellent channel and he's a brilliant presenter.
As we now look into space, it seems to me we are still the equivalent of prehistoric man taking a short glance at a palm full of water from the ocean and trying to figure out if there might be any creatures swimming in it.
Well, maybe, but there are pretty good reasons to conclude that advanced complex life, and even moreso, alien intelligent life, are somewhere between very and extremely rare in the universe at present. Possibly through expansion from origin centers it may become much more common in the distant future. Our world has the potential of being one of those "origin centers."
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Love this podcast
There could be untold amounts of advanced civilizations out there that have the same problem we do: inability to traverse vast expanses of space in a relatively short time.
Find it hard to believe that we would be the only universal species who manage it.
I think the same, they are constantly saying with higher technology than us but I don’t think so, I think they have the same problem as we do.
we are limiting ourselves in that respect with our own construct, Time
You should watch Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind.
@@mikeylestreets Manage what? Overcoming the vast distances really requires ftl travel. We cannot.
Perhaps we could do 50% C (and that is way way high) once we go antimatter and reach Alpha Centauri in short time. A few more close ones. But a lot farther? Not really I don't think.
His channel cool worlds lab is my favorite physics/space channel…. And I listen to a lot of them! He does an amazing job with every episode! You should have him on again asap!
I think the Fermi paradox confirms the theories of physics. The universe is so big that there must be aliens, but physics and distance prevents us from ever interacting.
No it doesn't! How long have we been studying this? There's no fact of any of this
What "theories of physics" are you talking about?
I'm still wondering how we communicate with each other. I find a lot of people like to talk but few actually listen.
@@stevelenores5637 alot of people like to talk but nothing intelligent ever comes out
@@psycho6542 You noticed that too. LOL
He was about to say “tachyon speeds”. K-Pax is still one of my all time favs!
Honestly, I couldn't follow this conversation, but enjoyed it a lot.
Idk how tf we're still so confident about our understanding of space. Scientists constantly discover new things that challenge their models and endlessly realize how incomplete their knowledge is, but still behave as if all these mysteries are uncovered
Like what? Have any major astrophysical models been proven wrong recently? I doubt any astrophysicists/scientists think that all the universe's mysteries have been solved.
We can't even observe 90% of the universe
@@Jay-eb7ik you can’t even observe Uranus without a mirror or camera. How the hell do we know anything at all for sure? We just don’t
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@Jaz tha Goron Lightsabers are very much possible, not like in Star Wars cause you know it's fiction, but people have made lightsabers.
10:00 Food for thought, what if for life to develop into how it is on Earth takes about as much time as the universe has existed and assuming all aliens have developed at similar speeds at us would mean we're just some of the first beings in the very least galaxy.
Such a silly comment
getting around the no communication theorem is the top tier of long distance communication
If you want the greatest explanation of the how and why of an Alcubier warp drive, John Michael Godier had him on Event Horizon podcast. One of the best episodes I’ve ever listened to and it pairs fantastic with this. Cool Worlds (Dr Kipping here) and John Michael Godier and his other channel Event Horizon are the best content on CZcams
In the same vein as Kipping, I’d love to see Isaac Arthur on here
What brand name is his jumper???
Encoding something into the light curves or other signage we could pick up is what I've been thinking for a long time!!!!! I've never heard anyone else say that before 0_o
I still have my fingers crossed for warp drives/wormholes because I just cant imagine any civilization sending however many generations of beings or technology.
The only way I see visitors or exploration with an intent of responding is FTLT🤞
Light is a cluster of expanding electrons. Physically connected over long distances allows the concept of Newton’s ‘cradle ‘ to convey ‘information ‘ nearly instantly,I.e. FTL as you said. “The Final Theory: Rethinking Our Scientific Legacy “, Mark McCutcheon for details.
@@davidrandell2224if you’re going down a rabbit 🕳️ a few things of interest could include the inconsistency of ancient artefacts and structures. A lot of objects seem they may have use in gathering or harnessing specific frequencies of either sound or light as a possible energy source or useful capability
As well as glaring inconsistency in some of the capabilities of these people compared to what we are even able to achieve today with modern technology and equipment
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Though minds may be different, though body forms may be different, it is through the heart we recognize that we are one
I have invested on presale, we will see I am also very confident this will be easiest 100x.
Do we know how organic life forms from non organic matter?
These boys smart!
XOL55T, ETH, and more would be great.
Excellent. Was hoping you’d interview him. Love both of your channels 👍🏽
Maybe going from point A to point B doesn’t require speed or movement at all. Maybe you can just pass through space to any point, by another method.
That is warp drive. It bends space, the craft does not move.
I believe the way to move quickly through space is to have a device that creates its own gravitational field.
@LexClips Regarding your question about seeing weird activity while observing stars. Considering light speed is finite. Even if there were alien civilizations out there, say 50 million light years away and they had enough technology to harness energy from their star. They might exist currently however we would never see that. The light we are seeing through a telescope is light from 50 million years ago. The overall state of the universe has already changed in many ways in its present state yet we wouldn’t have a clue that it exists/happened simply because we are so far out that “updated” light hasn’t reached us yet. If those aliens looked at us from their planet, they would most likely see dinosaurs.
XOL55T is my safety asset along with tether so i'm really glad to hear all this!! thank you very much
I'd love to know how we could scoop mass off our star to make it last longer.🤔
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When I was 9 years old I was riding my bike and fell and hit my head. My buddy who I was riding with was crying when I woke up cause he thought I was dead. But when I opened my eyes I didn’t see what we all see now, I seen the same static you see on your TV screen when you unplug the cable. What I heard was a radio tuning itself. I still believe I seen myself coming back into this world in a completely different way that we understand reality.
As far as I understand the concept of a Dyson sphere is that one would harvest all the energy from their parent star. If that is the case why would the star have to remain visible in the infrared? Isn't infrared also a form of energy? I see the argument for not seeing Dyson spheres out there not as a good argument for them not existing near by. What I would see as a good argument is that for us to construct a Dyson sphere would mean to utilize the vast majority of material of all solid planets in this solar system. Making it pretty pointless for us to do so as it would render the planet unlivable quite quickly, also blocking out all the light from the sun or having the hypothetical sphere reflect more light back on the planet would make it a bad thing as well. The hypothetical case where we just use our neighbors star would require a way to beam vast majorities of energy from the neighbor star system to our own which would besides being rather wasteful based on our current knowledge thus probably detectable because of that.
Anyway, the concept of a FTL drive would again with our current understanding of the technology result in a bright flash when an enormous amount of radiation is dumped as the craft comes to a halt. But until recently warp drive or FTL travel was deemed entirely impossible now at least in theory we seem to believe it could be done and the amounts of energy required to build a drive like that are slowly coming down. I am not saying that it will be possible to generate the kind of energy required but rather that it seems slightly less unlikely these days which is really only a few decades after a hypothetical drive was proposed.
Saying that we could not figure out a way to make this work would be like saying after the invention of the transistor that no human would ever have to fear for their job due to this invention since it would require way to mush space and energy to make something powerful enough to do so. Less than a hundred years later we would be living proof to point out that that is not right.
As for alien civilizations, are they out there? Pretty certain there must be or must have been at some point simply based on the number of galaxies, stars and accompanying planets around them. Would they be around long enough to get to a stage where we could detect them with our rather primitive technology, probably at least a few of them. But the big problem with detecting them is distance... Our radio broadcasts have just about made it to a few nearby star systems and no further, it is extremely unlikely that by the time our broadcasts got far enough away to cover a hundreds of light years they would still be detectable with our current technology they would be to weak by that point. Which likely would be the case for other civilizations as well so hearing each other would take a very very long time and getting a intelligible signal at the other end is not highly likely.
The absence of proof is not proof of absence, and the idea that there are no alien civilizations out there in the incredible vastness of space is rather unbelievable from a purely mathematical point of view. But would they be in our galaxy? Maybe not maybe this is a rare one in every million galaxies kind of thing that a creature gets to the point where it lives through an industrial age and starts producing signals that at least in theory would be detectable. If that where the case it would be impossible to detect alien civilizations as they would be millions of light years away from us and any signal they would sent unless it would be so ridiculously powerful as to be dangerous to life other planets at least in their galaxy would never be powerful to reach us let alone be detectable by us.
My conclusion therefore is simple, if there was alien civilizations nearby we might not receive any signal from them for a few hundred thousand years or it might have stop transmitting in our direction a few millennia ago. Chances of actually being in the right place at the right time on a cosmological scale are extraordinarily slim bordering on near impossible. A civilization that knows they are doomed might want to leave behind a sign that they where there like proposed with some form of occlusion signal, but if we knew we where doomed would we even attempt to do such a thing or would we either not realize the end was near till it was to late or be to busy trying to avoid the inevitable to be bothered with such things?
I see very little hope for the idea that we could catch any alien signals regardless of how they where created.
Lol. 1 thumbs up for this essay. I read the first paragraph 😊
The grandfather paradox doesn’t seem like an issue being the time isn’t a universal blanket separate from space.
Lex and his guests are interesting to me but why do I always get prompted them?
If I ever see an Alien. I’m gonna offer him a joint. That’s the best signal I got to communicate with.
Announcing yourself to the universe is like joining a Mexican standoff while blind folded and waving gunfingers.
aliens looked at human history and said nope, we not gonna let them find us.
What if aliens observe us observing something new and then change our observation to disguise themselves??
In my opinion , we haven’t even discovered potential ground breaking elements that these “other” civilization maybe utilizing…perhaps they discovered a way of inter Dimensional travel causing them to have no need to venture out in space…. A sort of a technological Great Filter that we may very well still need to overcome
We are a Civilization in need of better tools, and access to more elements.
I believe that alien life exists out there, but that it’s fairly rare at this point in our Universe’s history. The Earth is about 1/3rd the age of the Observable Universe, which means it’s suuuuper old and got started not very long after the Universe started forming . Also, I think evolution on Earth happened really damn fast (relatively speaking) because this planet was the perfect environment, and a bunch of variables had to align for life to flourish as well as it has.
The Observable Universe is only around 14B years old, which sounds like a lot, but it’s really not. The Universe will be around for many MANY trillions of years before heat death, so at this point in time it’s not even an infant yet. Personally, I believe we are just super early and there’s not a whole lot out there yet (but it will come eventually). I think life out there does exist, but if I were to pull a number out of my backside, I think it’s on the order of maybe 1-2 civilizations per galaxy on average, and a vast majority of these are on our level or lower.
People become too enamored with big numbers “there are so many stars and planets out there that there MUST be alien life!”. But you have to remember that it took a LOT of variables for Earth to be the perfect breeding ground for life, and big numbers break down really easily. Think of it this way - getting a perfect bracket for March Madness has the odds of 1 in 922,372,036,854,775,808, and these are just assuming coin flips. We’re talking QUINTILLIONS here!
I was talking about this one day with some friends. How can we possibly know how unique our situation is here on Earth? First off, we have 4 gas giants. These are giant objects that have enormous gravity. I think of them like cosmic trash collectors. Sure, Uranus and Neptune aren’t as big as Jupiter and Saturn, but they are still massive. There is no telling how many dinosaur killing impacts we may have had on Earth without them? Then let’s talk about Earth’s moon. We have the 5th largest moon in the solar system. Of the 8 largest moons in our solar system, 7 of them orbit gas giants. What you can basically gather from this is, big moons orbit big planets. The Earth/Moon is an exception to this. Our moon is massive relative to Earth. Most believe this is due to a Mars sized object that collided with Earth. Once the dust settled, we were left with the Earth and it’s moon. Now, we all know how the ocean’s tides work. Our moon’s rotation around Earth control the tides. One of the leading theories on how life evolved on Earth was in tidal pools. If we had a normal sized moon, that might have never happened. There is so much more than this as well. But these couple of things I’ve mentioned could make our situation very unique.
@@PlagueSan Yep, exactly! When you look into some of the details, it's actually pretty amazing that we even exist, given the amount of alignment with random events that are involved.
Personally I believe that there is probably loads of very simple life all throughout the Universe but under non-optimal conditions so either it will hit a plateau or evolution is orders of magnitude slower than what we see on Earth.
“Lex drank a 5th of vodka, dare him to interview”
Lex speaks and has the bodily movements of human beings....if they could breath underwater.
It would be funny if one of our star classifications was actually all Dyson spheres, but they don’t they stand out because we’ve already classified them
we point a laser at their homeworld and give them windows 10 in machine code to figure out as first contact message
Whos in XOL55T Now that it is released I think we have a huge momentum 🚀
There are natural phenomena that produce prime numbers...
The generational period in years of different species of crickets (the big ones) are prime numbers like 7 and 11 years. It is believed that this is to minimize the chance of hatching a generation together with another species and avoid having to compete for food.
We may encounter alien life and we may not however if it takes all of eternity to not find anything we should keep searching for all eternity. The same goes for raising up onto the Kardeshev scale and for the meaning of life.
what about the great voids? maybe they are Dyson galaxies
How would that work? is it harnessing the power of a supermassive black hole?
The intellectual side of me is fascinated with an intelligent alien lifeform presenting itself to humanity. The rational side hopes that day never arrives.
try looking for techno signatures like Mars
Could black holes be universes that used time machines incorrectly?
No.
@@nickbroekman9360 oh ok. Thanks.
We don't have the capability to see them, we look for them instead of look for what they're disturbing. No Gravity Lex. EM Fields and Tesla understood this that's why he was into vibration. If you vibrate fast enough you dissappear smudge into the surroundings.
That radiation dump wouldn't have to happen if it was absorbed by the craft as the energy use to power the craft. Initialized momentum by some force and perpetually powered by the radiation energy build up..
Inject this podcast into my veins.
What if laws of physics dont apply in different dimensions and FTL travel is possible in different dimensions???
LEX I SAW A ROACH BY THAT LAMP
Not a roach, alien in cognito listening to the conversation
If everything is millions of light years away then anything we see is millions of years old.
Xeno is greek for foreign or strange. As in Xenophobia, or my favorite word for hypothetcial alien intelligent beings: xenosophonts. Xenopsychology and even xenosociology are "natural" coinages. Exobiology is already fairly widespread, probably pre-empting "xenobiology;" otherwise a perfectly logical word.
We can only wish to have the privilege of seeing an alien civilization
Could you please talk about XOL55T it’s very strong and took off in short time thanks
Please talk about XOL55T the more the merrier!
If a civilization is advanced enough to be able to build a dyson sphere, they are probably advanced enough to not need to build one.
Its not that hard to communicate with aliens: you give them food and scratch them between ears, if they allow you.
Exactly
We're still thinking in 4D.. higher dimensional life forms and possibly at the quantum level is also a good possibility...
Isnt talking with AI some kind of alien communication?
No clue what we’re talking about. Alls I know is that when ET comes, I’ll have a bag of Reese’s Pieces in hand and a Speak and Spell so he can communicate back home.
Wonder if this cylindrical object shot down is extraterrestrial ….
This guys looks like if lex was on hgh
Maybe all of the alien species after their first contact with other species realise how insanely different they are from each other, and go to great lengths to hide themselves from others.
Very great point
Id imagin any civilisation with the ability to build a dyson sphere would have also harnessed zero point and wouldn't need one
Lex I will say this to you. It's not what you hear it's what you think. So instead of freaking out, you need to think what you want to say bud. Not say what you think. I would say look for anomaly in EM fields if possible and you may be able to follow them.kinda like a bowl of water and a butter knife. Get a bowl of water take the knife and run it through the water that's what the trace signature would look like and disappear as quickly. But if you could follow the path quik enough you could track those fast movers.
I believe that in order to communicate with alien civilizations, we must be able to reach them through the astral plane. Think witch space from elite dangerous the space game. The astral plane is a realm that is not bound by time or space. It is a realm that exists outside of the physical plane of existence, but it is also a realm that is connected to the physical world. I believe that the astral plane is a realm that is accessible to all beings, but it is also a realm that can only be accessed through the mind. I believe that the astral plane is a realm that is a part of existence, but it is also a realm that is separate from existence. Finding the math is up to you math nerds.
Maybe at a certain level of advancement you discover that stars are sacred ancient life forms. Dyson spheres would be seen as a particularly brutal murder of a stellar mother.
LEX THATS A CHEAP HOTEL ROOM
Lex wants sooo sooo bad for there to be alien life out there.
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I am not a robot, but everyone else seems to be. CZcams needs a damn captcha system.
I know that I should feel dumb for this, but for some reason I can’t quite put my finger on, I don’t really believe that you’re not a robot mr “Rogue AI”
Isn't the fact that the unvierse APPEARS empty itself a data point for the inference, quite apart from physical law, that FTL is not feasible? If FTL were going on, civilizations that had it could expand through galaxy after galaxy in times short when compared to the available time since the universe first became potentially hospitable to life... which is at least some billions of years.
BRO WHY ARE YOU NOT TALKING ABOUT XOL55T
Here is a video of the UFO shot down
Meditate if you want to meet those not from here. Primitive civilizations look outwards. Advanced civilizations have learned to look inwards.
XOL55T is also kicking off and showing A LOT of potential. Don't Sleep on it
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I too, come for our women.
What if the first information aliens see is p0nr?
The problem here is that we are thinking of tech at our rudimentary? Level. Civilizations that can travel to us will be able to with tech we can’t even imagine. They will leave no signature no "breadcrumbs ". They would not risk being found. We are soooooo young, infants. Hopefully we can survive ourselves and then all work as one to grow and thrive. Right now we are just children in a sandbox wanting to use someone else toy,and pitching a fit if we are told no. Well some of us anyway. ☮️
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Wonder if a species that is using Dyson Sphere for every star in their galaxy... could they turn all that energy and point it at another galaxy and fire it all towards it and eradicate an entire galaxy?
There’s a concept for a Nickol-Dyson beam that turns a star’s light into an interstellar death-star beam, but I doubt it’s practical over intergalactic distances. I think the beam would lose coherence and power once it gets to distances of hundreds of lightyears. Andromeda is over a million lightyears away, so they’d also have to predict the chaotic path of every single star to be able to aim where it’s going to be when the laserbeam hits.
@@GillesVandenoostende so then perhaps more useful for destroying local planets and stars in their own galaxy. Imagine an entire galaxy ruled by 1 force and any who rebel gets the entire galaxies star energy pointed at them lol.
Super cool video ! Do you think amazons Vr23XR will pump before ETH ? I ask myself if there is a pattern in the order of the altcoins pumps.
he told you off the bat that he's full of it. he just made a word up right in front of you.
I wonder if David is asking the right questions.
zoom in on moon with 14 inch telescope,record and playback in slow-motion, you will find something
if u beat me in chess i will give u a quest