This is awesome! I finish my razors on a Dan’s surgical black and I have so many ceramics, Suehiro and Naniwa/chosera’s. After my my Naniwa Super Stone 12k there is nothing more comfortable than my Dan’s surgical black. I literally felt like I had the wrong angle because it glided so so smoothly after a good stropping. I am going to buy Dan’s two softer stones and see if I can maintain my Theirs Issard off of that progression versus my Dovo Silver Steel on just ceramics. Thank you for the content! I love your feedback
Firstly you are fortunate to have the vintage and size Arkansas stones you mentioned, They supposed to be hard to get that size due to the size they cut the ones this day and age, The Arkansas stones are not forgiving at all ,they take a long time to get the end polished finish but give a nice edge as long as they are the heavy density one`s you got and not the cheaper lighter weight ones, any way if you mess up on one side of the blade by giving over pressure strokes or raising the spine off the stone at any given stage, take your razor back to the stone be for the Arkansas and re hone then start again with the Arkansas stone, go slower on the strokes with the A-Stone so you don`t mess up, All stones will give great results well most of them but they have to be understood, And I don`t think most people have learnt the true methods and nature with stone and metal, to get the best from there stones. and metal, yes metal, people always think about the stones, Not much about the metal type or age to how the stone could have different effects One thing is over looked that no one has ever mentioned in all the thousands of video`s I`ve watch, but be for I get to that in question, when in school I remember in metal work studies ,well three things I remembered` the rest I for got, it was school and I hated it. but I never for got, these three things one is important to razor users. The teachers breath stank he had halitosis, the other thing was the word clinker from the Furness and thirdly how to make metal look polished and shine when using a file, you go across the metal, round about about 45 degree one way then go the opposite 45 degree angle the other way, so like a crisscross pattern. Have you guess it yet,, This got me thinking about the razors cutting edge, Was it better to have both scratch pattern lines going the same way on both sides of the blades edge ,so all scratch lines leaning towards the front or towards the heel then you have to consider what angle do these micro lines need to lean for the best long lasting cutting edge. Or is it best to have the lines coming vertical on both sides like double edge razor companies do for best cutting edge. Or would it be better to do vertical on one side and diagonal on the other side Or angled to the heel back one side and angled to the toe front on the other side, Or crisscross pattern on both sides of the blade. cutting edge, Now before anyone says it does not matter you need to do accurate tests, Most people think as long as it cuts my face hair I'm happy but you forget how long it takes to pick your honing stones and learn to hone, but you don`t take much care on the scratch angles, only how deep they might be, even DrMatt never could answer this, I will try this one day with several of the same cheap razors, but it would be nice if you could do this and dish the results out. Some people finish with x strokes some with vertical strokes, saw blades teeth go forwards , old electric double bread knife blades scalloped. meat slices no teeth only smooth, some circular blades have teeth aiming both ways, cheese wire, threat saw Why all different .Excuse the spelling and punctuation `told you I hated school lol
Hi Piece, Thanks for the write up.. The more you think about stones and metal the more you realise how complex it all is and how little we know. I have some new jnats that I can get great edges from but I don't understand them yet, it will take a few years maybe.. Interesting what you say about cutting angles. Probably I have considered this in the past but what came to my mind whilst reading your thoughts was, maybe a straight stroke honed edge should outlast a diagonal stroke honed edge, head on peaks vs side on peaks. Surely side on peaks would fall away faster than head on peaks.. Many thanks Joseph..
@@EdgeDynamicsEnglishRazors Take a hand saw` The teeth have support to stable each edge when studied, each tooth is angled forward and cut slanted at the front, while bent left and right alternative, and the front teeth have shallower bends from left to right to reduce ripping and easy starting, that`s why its easy to start the cut along the first 20 odd teeth, The best way to test a razor as arm hair is not as strong as face hair` its softer, if you test it on the arm don`t place the razor on the skin `run it 1/3rd off the skin on the hair and if it pops the hairs this will be sharp enough for the face, Face hair is more of a pubic hair. The trouble with the edges of a razor the sharper the cut the quicker it dulls. You can over come this with using a harder steel blade and a wider edge angle so more of wedge and not full hollow and tape on the spine, but both of these methods are harder to get a sharper edge (Quicker), But once mastered the longer it will last. As for the method you mentioned above in your response I would of presume may be correct `but you would have to keep the razor at a slight angle so the scratch pattern are straight on the blade for strength but become a certain degree for cutting,, let me explain better, Most cutting angle to a knife is any where between 17 to 20 some would say 23 to 28, even 33 depending what its being used for, So now we set the bevel at one of these angles, But if these are the best cutting angles, then why don`t we also use the cut throat at a slant while going down the face, in stead of keeping it horizontal, I am (Not) talking about how far we keep the spine away from the skin. This would be more dangerous to use the razor this way ,But I can tell you, Ive had a blade that was pulling slightly and so I did the method mentioned I tilted the blade from horizontal to dipping down the heel and raising the toe and yes it cut better while going straight down from side burn to jaw. We can think how about doing the x pattern on the metal so the grains will be leaning at a angle so now we can come straight down the skin to cut hair, much safer ,But as the lines in the metal are now at an angle they may blunt quicker so we would have to use the razor diagonal on the skin so the scratch pattern cuts straight on eliminating the slanted cut , This leads back to my questions, in my first write up I've thought about this for the alternate cut and long lasting to the edge, also a spanner in the works if you don`t strop the the exact angle you hone would the strop put fine scratch pattern the other way to the metal? I feel a headache coming on lol, As I do not write in forums I get confuse where to write, May be you might drop this to a forum and see what others make from it, When did cut throat shaving become such a malarkey. When I first started I never even bought a stone I just thought strop the dam thing, and I ruined my Russian strop and a wrecked my beautiful Wade & butcher 7/8ths on a shit stone when I bought one, Many years back in the day as a teen,
It’s interesting and reassuring that with your high skill level and experience gained over many years you are still not completely sure of a razors performance, despite seemingly favourable post-honing tests, until you put it to the face for a shave. It gives me hope regarding my own honing efforts. I’ve had the Simpsons Chubby 3 Best Badger for a couple years. It’s a great brush, does not shed, super dense and luxurious but it’s a big knot at 32mm diameter, maybe the Chubby 2. Thanks for the video.
Thank you. Honing for me is constantly learning and evolving. I am looking at those limited edition Simpsons Manchurian,made with wooden handles. I need one :)
Ive heard tons of people say you can't do a straight razor progression only on arkansas and that's nuts. I have 5 stones i use when i do it and many are labeled the same but they are not even close to the same. I start with a hard/fine washita use 3 stones labeled hard(1 translucent norton) and finish on a big translucent. Im feeling a surgical black next month but even without it i can get a superb shave that synthetic stones and even coticules will never match. Even if you finish on an arkansas but sharpen on synthetics it's nowhere near the same feeling shave as a complete ark progression. Starting with a coticule then jumping to a true hard arkansas then a translucent is the runner up but even can't match. When i added the washita to begin with for bevels i figured out really quick i can take a razor from bevel to close to an 6k+ with thats single some and it was a game changer.
That is a good point, I should try for a full progression, I probably have the stones for it.. The only issue is that the jnats do it so smooth.. I will dig out my arks.. Cheers.. Happy honing.
@@EdgeDynamicsEnglishRazors i grew up on arkansas, i actually live at the trail end of the mountain range they're found in. Never used a jnat. I never used any natural aside from arks until this year.
I never like the edge of the razors corner sharp like a point, I always rub the very corner back over the edge of a stone, the trouble with the corner, when using the front of the razor very near the corner the skin can raise higher than the blade `the skin that`s in front of the corner and that would be a horrible slice to the skin, The razor user has to always consider this and very very light pressure always when using near the corner as you know, The transparent white is meant to be more aggressive than the surgical black, but there are a hell of a lot to consider not all the same natural stones will be the same` good and crap with every batch, To many factors come into it with natural stones. That`s why to many of us have different reviews and results with the same brand stone its not always this or that person can or can`t hone, you are always going to have impurities in natural stones that are not good for the razor, There`s a video on these stones that the bloke goes into it in detail ,He is the one who shows 3 penguins on his jnets most of the time on his still picture, find his view on these stones. He always bangs on about Japanese stones he loves them, but he does a review on Arkansas stones Owe yes the wrong strop and technic will give you bad shave.
Surgical , Translucent , they seem the same to me making a good edge amazing, sharp and fine. I would love to do more testing but Jnats have alI my time... I do use Arkansas stones differently to everyone else or everyone else that i am aware of.. but that is my secret :) Cheers
What are your top 3 soaps then? i really like the SV soaps though they are pricey, but as you show - soaps can last for years. Triple milled soaps are harder than the Devil's head! I'm sure your mrs to be will buy you that Simpson brush if you show her your white twelve-incher. English innuendo at its best! T
Oh my lord :) Hmm the thing is that MDC seems to be inbetwee a soap and a cream.. Acqua Di Parma is the best of the best followed by MDC the rest will have to battle it out. Cheers
It depends on your budget. Shapton glass or Naniwa are most peoples favourite.. It does take research. Try sharprazorpalace.com/honing/57064-honing-forum.html Cheers
@@PastorPeewee20 Many roads. You need a decent 1k.. Green brick Naniwa 1k is a good choice.. Then middle, 4 or 5k depending. Then an upper end 8/10/12..maybe then a finisher. Many finish on a 12k or there are pastes etc.. Thanks
@@PastorPeewee20 No problem, if you ever need advice you can email me through my website but you need to do your due diligence really, youtube etc :) Good luck
This is awesome! I finish my razors on a Dan’s surgical black and I have so many ceramics, Suehiro and Naniwa/chosera’s. After my my Naniwa Super Stone 12k there is nothing more comfortable than my Dan’s surgical black. I literally felt like I had the wrong angle because it glided so so smoothly after a good stropping.
I am going to buy Dan’s two softer stones and see if I can maintain my Theirs Issard off of that progression versus my Dovo Silver Steel on just ceramics.
Thank you for the content! I love your feedback
Thanks Nick.. I should dig out my Arks, i have too many stones what a problem to have :)
Firstly you are fortunate to have the vintage and size Arkansas stones you mentioned, They supposed to be hard to get that size due to the size they cut the ones this day and age,
The Arkansas stones are not forgiving at all ,they take a long time to get the end polished finish but give a nice edge as long as they are the heavy density one`s you got and not the cheaper lighter weight ones, any way if you mess up on one side of the blade by giving over pressure strokes or raising the spine off the stone at any given stage, take your razor back to the stone be for the Arkansas and re hone then start again with the Arkansas stone, go slower on the strokes with the A-Stone so you don`t mess up,
All stones will give great results well most of them but they have to be understood, And I don`t think most people have learnt the true methods and nature with stone and metal, to get the best from there stones. and metal, yes metal, people always think about the stones, Not much about the metal type or age to how the stone could have different effects
One thing is over looked that no one has ever mentioned in all the thousands of video`s I`ve watch, but be for I get to that in question,
when in school I remember in metal work studies ,well three things I remembered` the rest I for got, it was school and I hated it. but I never for got, these three things one is important to razor users.
The teachers breath stank he had halitosis, the other thing was the word clinker from the Furness and thirdly how to make metal look polished and shine when using a file, you go across the metal, round about about 45 degree one way then go the opposite 45 degree angle the other way, so like a crisscross pattern. Have you guess it yet,,
This got me thinking about the razors cutting edge,
Was it better to have both scratch pattern lines going the same way on both sides of the blades edge ,so all scratch lines leaning towards the front or towards the heel then you have to consider what angle do these micro lines need to lean for the best long lasting cutting edge. Or is it best to have the lines coming vertical on both sides like double edge razor companies do for best cutting edge. Or would it be better to do vertical on one side and diagonal on the other side
Or angled to the heel back one side and angled to the toe front on the other side,
Or crisscross pattern on both sides of the blade. cutting edge, Now before anyone says it does not matter you need to do accurate tests,
Most people think as long as it cuts my face hair I'm happy but you forget how long it takes to pick your honing stones and learn to hone, but you don`t take much care on the scratch angles, only how deep they might be, even DrMatt never could answer this, I will try this one day with several of the same cheap razors, but it would be nice if you could do this and dish the results out. Some people finish with x strokes some with vertical strokes, saw blades teeth go forwards , old electric double bread knife blades scalloped. meat slices no teeth only smooth, some circular blades have teeth aiming both ways, cheese wire, threat saw Why all different .Excuse the spelling and punctuation `told you I hated school lol
Hi Piece,
Thanks for the write up.. The more you think about stones and metal the more you realise how complex it all is and how little we know.
I have some new jnats that I can get great edges from but I don't understand them yet, it will take a few years maybe..
Interesting what you say about cutting angles. Probably I have considered this in the past but what came to my mind whilst reading your thoughts was, maybe a straight stroke honed edge should outlast a diagonal stroke honed edge, head on peaks vs side on peaks. Surely side on peaks would fall away faster than head on peaks..
Many thanks
Joseph..
@@EdgeDynamicsEnglishRazors Take a hand saw`
The teeth have support to stable each edge when studied, each tooth is angled forward and cut slanted at the front, while bent left and right alternative, and the front teeth have shallower bends from left to right to reduce ripping and easy starting, that`s why its easy to start the cut along the first 20 odd teeth,
The best way to test a razor as arm hair is not as strong as face hair` its softer, if you test it on the arm don`t place the razor on the skin `run it 1/3rd off the skin on the hair and if it pops the hairs this will be sharp enough for the face, Face hair is more of a pubic hair. The trouble with the edges of a razor the sharper the cut the quicker it dulls.
You can over come this with using a harder steel blade and a wider edge angle so more of wedge and not full hollow and tape on the spine, but both of these methods are harder to get a sharper edge (Quicker), But once mastered the longer it will last.
As for the method you mentioned above in your response I would of presume may be correct `but you would have to keep the razor at a slight angle so the scratch pattern are straight on the blade for strength but become a certain degree for cutting,,
let me explain better, Most cutting angle to a knife is any where between 17 to 20 some would say 23 to 28, even 33 depending what its being used for, So now we set the bevel at one of these angles, But if these are the best cutting angles, then why don`t we also use the cut throat at a slant while going down the face, in stead of keeping it horizontal, I am (Not) talking about how far we keep the spine away from the skin. This would be more dangerous to use the razor this way ,But I can tell you, Ive had a blade that was pulling slightly and so I did the method mentioned I tilted the blade from horizontal to dipping down the heel and raising the toe and yes it cut better while going straight down from side burn to jaw. We can think how about doing the x pattern on the metal so the grains will be leaning at a angle so now we can come straight down the skin to cut hair, much safer ,But as the lines in the metal are now at an angle they may blunt quicker so we would have to use the razor diagonal on the skin so the scratch pattern cuts straight on eliminating the slanted cut , This leads back to my questions, in my first write up I've thought about this for the alternate cut and long lasting to the edge, also a spanner in the works if you don`t strop the the exact angle you hone would the strop put fine scratch pattern the other way to the metal? I feel a headache coming on lol, As I do not write in forums I get confuse where to write, May be you might drop this to a forum and see what others make from it, When did cut throat shaving become such a malarkey. When I first started I never even bought a stone I just thought strop the dam thing, and I ruined my Russian strop and a wrecked my beautiful Wade & butcher 7/8ths on a shit stone when I bought one, Many years back in the day as a teen,
Professionalism above the edge.
Cheers Altino. You du man :)
It’s interesting and reassuring that with your high skill level and experience gained over many years you are still not completely sure of a razors performance, despite seemingly favourable post-honing tests, until you put it to the face for a shave. It gives me hope regarding my own honing efforts.
I’ve had the Simpsons Chubby 3 Best Badger for a couple years. It’s a great brush, does not shed, super dense and luxurious but it’s a big knot at 32mm diameter, maybe the Chubby 2.
Thanks for the video.
Thank you.
Honing for me is constantly learning and evolving. I am looking at those limited edition Simpsons Manchurian,made with wooden handles.
I need one :)
i find when it comes to shaving gear, the difference between needing and wanting is negligible. Have a good week.
Ive heard tons of people say you can't do a straight razor progression only on arkansas and that's nuts. I have 5 stones i use when i do it and many are labeled the same but they are not even close to the same. I start with a hard/fine washita use 3 stones labeled hard(1 translucent norton) and finish on a big translucent. Im feeling a surgical black next month but even without it i can get a superb shave that synthetic stones and even coticules will never match. Even if you finish on an arkansas but sharpen on synthetics it's nowhere near the same feeling shave as a complete ark progression. Starting with a coticule then jumping to a true hard arkansas then a translucent is the runner up but even can't match. When i added the washita to begin with for bevels i figured out really quick i can take a razor from bevel to close to an 6k+ with thats single some and it was a game changer.
That is a good point, I should try for a full progression, I probably have the stones for it.. The only issue is that the jnats do it so smooth..
I will dig out my arks..
Cheers.. Happy honing.
@@EdgeDynamicsEnglishRazors i grew up on arkansas, i actually live at the trail end of the mountain range they're found in. Never used a jnat. I never used any natural aside from arks until this year.
That’s a dream translucent
Thanks Parker..It deserves more use.
Masterful Shave My Friend, Cheers.
Cheers El Chingon
I never like the edge of the razors corner sharp like a point, I always rub the very corner back over the edge of a stone, the trouble with the corner, when using the front of the razor very near the corner the skin can raise higher than the blade `the skin that`s in front of the corner and that would be a horrible slice to the skin, The razor user has to always consider this and very very light pressure always when using near the corner as you know,
The transparent white is meant to be more aggressive than the surgical black, but there are a hell of a lot to consider not all the same natural stones will be the same` good and crap with every batch, To many factors come into it with natural stones. That`s why to many of us have different reviews and results with the same brand stone its not always this or that person can or can`t hone, you are always going to have impurities in natural stones that are not good for the razor, There`s a video on these stones that the bloke goes into it in detail ,He is the one who shows 3 penguins on his jnets most of the time on his still picture, find his view on these stones. He always bangs on about Japanese stones he loves them, but he does a review on Arkansas stones Owe yes the wrong strop and technic will give you bad shave.
Surgical , Translucent , they seem the same to me making a good edge amazing, sharp and fine. I would love to do more testing but Jnats have alI my time... I do use Arkansas stones differently to everyone else or everyone else that i am aware of.. but that is my secret :)
Cheers
Hi, you always put out a good vid, thanks. Regarding the surgical black Ark, how long did you spend on the stone?
A long time..They cut slow so it takes a while..
Thanks for watching..
What are your top 3 soaps then? i really like the SV soaps though they are pricey, but as you show - soaps can last for years. Triple milled soaps are harder than the Devil's head!
I'm sure your mrs to be will buy you that Simpson brush if you show her your white twelve-incher. English innuendo at its best!
T
Oh my lord :)
Hmm the thing is that MDC seems to be inbetwee a soap and a cream..
Acqua Di Parma is the best of the best followed by MDC the rest will have to battle it out.
Cheers
Honing/shave ready razors and am confused about what grits stones to use there's soo much information I'm lost but wanting to learn how?
It depends on your budget.
Shapton glass or Naniwa are most peoples favourite..
It does take research. Try sharprazorpalace.com/honing/57064-honing-forum.html
Cheers
@@EdgeDynamicsEnglishRazors ty for the input can u recommend a proper grit?
@@PastorPeewee20 Many roads. You need a decent 1k.. Green brick Naniwa 1k is a good choice.. Then middle, 4 or 5k depending. Then an upper end 8/10/12..maybe then a finisher. Many finish on a 12k or there are pastes etc.. Thanks
@Edge Dynamics oh wow I am new so didn't realize I need more than 1 but cool thanks alot
@@PastorPeewee20 No problem, if you ever need advice you can email me through my website but you need to do your due diligence really, youtube etc :) Good luck
Nice stones!!!! How much were the 12” arks?
Thanks..A Gentleman never tells ;)