That's part of the problem because they assign positions that doesn't match the skill of the employee. The actual problem is the management. The reason why SpaceX is dominating space flight rn is because of innovations and willing to take risk. Boeing is leaning on a more traditional approach and stick to what was working. They refuse anyone who actually has an idea to shape a new type of spacecraft. I mean, have you seen the interior of the starliner? It looks like it was built in the 90's.
*Those are of the ones we know of. Who knows how many they have taken out that we don't know of. Probably hundreds that have said they are going to the press and never made it. They died on the job under mysterious circumstances. Like walking behind a rocket engine and it fires for no reason, etc...*
Scary how that just isn’t a thing anymore isn’t it? Imagine if Elon was taking out whistleblowers. They’d have news specials on the billionaire trump supporter who has bodies buried somewhere on Tesla property of those who dare speak out against his evil.
And the ironic part is that ‘better’ is still diverse, just natural diversity based on personal talents and skills vs mandated diversity based on skin color and sexual orientation first. Please stop screwing with our future with this woke socialism crap.
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A reputation is long and hard to earn and so easy to lose. Gaining it back again is almost if not, impossible.
Couldn't agree more on every point, mate. Once the world leader that beat all other before her from WW2 bombers to the venerable 747 Jumbo. Sad really.
@@smeary10 I agree absolutely. This is just another reflection of the whole woke western world and how it's being destroyed from within. I'm bloody angry about it and feel for all the great engineers and project managers within the once-great Boeing who have had their careers and reputations trashed.
Elon is way closer to Clarence Kelly (SR71) than any diversity hire from Boeing. Remember that DEI was a creation of Marxists. These Marxists, via the intervention of Beijing, have infiltrated Corporate and Academic and Governments around the western world. Why did they do this? Look at the wreckage of Boeing!
That's your problem there lady ! Boeing has too many politicians and not enough competent engineers ! They should be removed from the Governments Vendor list until they finish their homework.
Boeing should spend their energy on improving their technology, instead of hating and talking shit. Their reputation is already bad, and a Boeing employee saying that makes them worse than they already are.
Boeing has become arrogant themselves. Look what has happened, they sat on their laurels reaping in profits year after year, never branching out into anything else. Keeping a literal lock on aerospace engineering. Now an up and comer has things figure out, so Boeing is now butt hurt, literally and figuratively because the competition moved faster, better and quicker. SpaceX isn't the bad guy in this story. SpaceX is the scrappy under dog who got tired of the old guard.
David Calhoun recently stepped down as CEO. He was replaced by a new guy that is alleged to be more in line with historic Boeing leadership values, though I’m suspicious of anyone AP praises.
Changing the leadership doesn't remove the company policy of DEI. What needs to change is the ineffective employees hiding behind group projects. Their less than ideal fit is hidden as part of a group.
Boeing has become a second rate aerospace company. They cannot even build reliable passenger planes. What hope, a space ship? Boeing employees can only blame themselves for being so slack.
No, no, no my friend. Blame the managerial structure from McDonnell Douglas, wearing Boeing like a skin walker. Most, if not all the good engineers left years ago to work for better companies like Lockheed Martin and Spacex.
Boeing is the most corrupt company in the world, they have the most oldest grandpa engineers in the world, they put safety last, they have the most DEI in the work force. Boeing should be banned from making any more planes. They were good 20 years ago but now they are just corrupt as the cartel
@@av2245 that's what is happening in my company as well(a Fortune 100 tech company). A lot of teams and management positions who are created and they fight each others like politic parties, not a technical debate at all. Those people can spend like 8 hours for meeting but none of them want to spend 1 hour to research and read document before. Most of them claim themself as engineer but it's a shame and the largest bull-shit which I have ever seen. They pretend busy at work by joining a lot of unrelated meetings as much as possible. I saw two co-workers has been worked on a task like 6-months. Actually, those tasks are only 3-4 days when it come to my team. Their manager didn't do anything although I told him about that. I believe Boeing or Twitter has the same shits like that. So, the engineering became a joke. A good engineer can't stand and work with those slack and stupid co-workers.
Boeing did 2 test flights before having manned spaceships, SpaceX had 11. It's nuts that Boeing was even cleared for this in the first place considering there 2nd test had a bunch of problems just like the 1st.
True, but considered at the time Boeing was a soon to be centennial aircraft company, SpaceX was a Silicon Valley start up with crazy ideas about reusability. Boeing was a very safe bet, especially because they and companies they had merged with like McDonell, Douglas, and North American aviation were companies that had built several generations of NASA hardware and spacecraft.
Eight days MINIMUM. That’s something the reporting always seems to get wrong. Eight days was their minimum, more if the mission had proven successful. Of course, it didn’t.
Boeing just got a huge fine to avoid criminal prosecution for safety violations. Whom are they trying to fool here? You can't have DEI and safety at the same time. You gotta pick one or the other and Boeing chose DEI.
@@paulaswaim8434 Nothing to do with DEI. I work there. It’s bad executive management and a focus on cost. Just squeezing pennies out of everything, missing the big technical things.
You really think Boeing will pay that fine? They will over charge on something else they do for the government so that it will be like the fine never existed. Hell, they were awarded $4.5 Billion for Starliner and ended up charging NASA an additional $1.5 Billion in overages since it was delayed over and over.
@leewright7623 buddy you have no clue how much of the technology you use everyday was developed or at least influenced by Research done at Nasa. Space research has an insanely high return of investment compared to other fields, it's a shame people like you are so uneducated. Nasa doesn't get nearly enough budget for what they're worth
It's political decision from beginning. Starliner has a lot of problem from uncrewed mission and pre-launch preparation but NASA may be forced to launch it. With failed uncrewed mission, why was Starliner accepted for crewed mission like that?
Biggest issue with almost every corporate with over 1000 employees anywhere on the planet. As soon as the focus is distracted and shifts away from core business -
Another reason in leadership. A lot of incompetent managers will prefer keeping a lot of stupid and slack engineers in his hand. So, their position are safer. They don't care about the high quality, better engineering. They care more about their paycheck. Leadership is totally corrupted in many big companies.
They should be embarrassed for over running the budget and slow rolling testing and still barely getting them to orbit. Private enterprise for the win.
👀🐔👀🐔😁 Hahahahhahahahahha Instead of hating on SpaceX, how about build better aircraft first and then earn the right to be something SpaceX already IS...
He really could put his time into another 50 businesses and solidify his forever reign as the richest man. If he did small planes(even small jets 1-2people like sonnex) all the way up to large jets, he could use all his star link tech to make the largest and most accurate drone company completely destroying dji. He could then use his jet manufacturing tech to build military drones, big and small. When you have that much money you can really do just about anything you'd want, I'm sure he'll have some more businesses it'll be interesting to see what he does though. He could go into cell phone manufacturing... dude could do literally anything
@@jlo7770 Musk is a geek, money is secondary to geeks, a mere means to an end. Every engineer's dream is to *create* stuff. So Musk's legacy is space exploration and flow of information (data, crypto, AI processing..)
@@goofygrandlouis6296 didn't he make his start so to say off paypal? He was one of the 110? People to buy a McLaren f1 from the factory, which is literally built for your body, they measure you and what not and build the interior to fit you perfectly. I think he wants a lasting legacy idk if geek is quite how I'd describe him. Plenty of extremely intelligent people die broke without making a billionth of what elon has. To say money isn't a motivator I think would be disingenuous. For a long time he was building tesla's out of lotus cars. I think his riches have given him the ability to diversify into space exploration, I'm not sure that was his goal from the get go. I wouldn't even say it is at this junction in his life, I think he just wants to offer products to people that are reusable, enjoyable, and protect the values of the greatest country in the world. I also think he says some wild shit to see how people will react. "I want to colonize Mars". I honestly think he did some research and realized it's highly unlikely the us ever made it to the moon and wants to get people there. I find it extremely unlikely that people just "forgot" how to get there and back. Id also kinda imagine there'd be pictures from satellites of like the junk the us left on the moon, and I don't recall ever seeing any which is odd, since I can see my truck outside my house on Google earth. Idk...
You'd think they'd have got that message loud and clear from Airbus, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and every other competitor that's beaten them in the market and produced superior products from A320 to F-35 to the B-2. Maybe they just believe their own shit.
Boeing is so over, as a company. People don't understand that brand value is as important as the products themselves. Just like a man's name, once your brand is associated with the word "crap", you're done, finito.
Not really. They’ve inked deals to build unmanned aircraft for the Air Force, that contract is worth about 2.6 billion. They’re also manufacturing F 15‘s for Israel with a profit margin, I think around 50 million. They also have a new CEO which is going to buy them time and a grace period to see how he works out.
@@gettotheGate Government contracts can be the result of plain corruption. But Boeing's brand is still tarnished and when your brand is associated with "bad quality", it sticks for a long time in the mind of people.
True, but if we put it first, just a couple more times, we’d be hearing interviews and commentary about this incident from Gus Grissom, Christa McAuliffe, and a few others
I wouldn't want to fly in an airplane (or spacecraft) where they prioritized DEI hiring over your safety ! Everybody knows that everything 'woke' turns to . . . . 💩
They should be embarrassed. Between their planes and now this, what a disgrace. This is what decades of corporate takeovers get you, a company ran by bean counters.
Love ELON...2 ppl stuck in space and all Boeing can do is feel embarrassed?? Thank god there is a man such as Elon who has helped in time of need. And not the first time either
In spite of this embarrassment, Boeing senior management remains committed to layoff as many low level employees as it takes to make sure they still get paid.
Goes to show just how far Boeing Executives are willing to personally, put their very lives on the line for their ideals and rigorous standards. Oh, wait…
Hiring Low wage workers from another country other than USA was an unwise move. Boeing is an American company. Why would workers from another country care about making an American company strong ? No they don't care at all. This is a good example of what happens when a company puts profits over engineering talent from the USA, and outsources jobs from another country just to save some money. Boeing is no longer an reputable company to rely on.
When Boeing moved from Seattle to Chicago, then went WOKE, that was the end of the great, innovative aviation leader Boeing. Now they are complete failures due to being diverse.
Dude…They’re astronauts. And they’re in space. They are where they’ve trained a good chunk of their life to be. This is like if you were hired for THE dream job, but knew you would only get to work it for a few months in all, and suddenly had a whole extra year of it dropped in your lap. They have food, water, air, designated bunk space, communications with their families under better living conditions that deployed servicemen, meaningful work to do, and like minded people to work with. They’re fine.
@@Azmania3000 I'm also assuming said capsule has to be compatible with the NASA space suits Suni and Butch have with them as the Space X suits are very different and designed for SpaceX modules just as the NASA suits are designed to operate with their chosen modules - in this case Boeing's capsule.
The last thing NASA wanted was to turn to SpaceX, but I give them credit for putting safety ahead of politics. Trust that they were under massive pressure to make the return via Boeing so this tells you how concerned the NASA engineers were. Science over politics was a lesson painfully learned via the lost lives of the shuttle disasters.
SpaceX will get the job done properly, nasa knows who to call to get it done right. I’d say Elon deserves a bit of respect being that his company has had such success wouldn’t you? I’d also say his success and efficiency would make his word on politics more worthy, but na let’s listen to the people on the screen who definitely don’t have a biased political agenda 😉 let’s remember Elon voted Biden in 2020 wonder what changed his mind 🤔
What????? Boeing is BLAMING NASA?????!!!!!???? Boeing, own up to your failures. Put on your big boy pants, join the real world and accept responsibility for you products and actions. Blaming someone else is hardly the cure to what ails your issues.
Nothing new here. Boeing blamed pilots for the 737-Max crashes for a long time before it because clear that the fault was with their MCAS system that they DIDN'T TELL THE PILOTS ABOUT!
I agree. Only reasons they're blaming NASA is it makes them look bad and they're trying to avoid responsibility for THEIR OWN mistakes. NASA is the only adult in the room here. They've got a choice between a tested reliable craft vs one that is still experimental and has been experiencing potentially dangerous issues. Not a hard choice.
Dude…They’re astronauts. And they’re in space. They are where they’ve trained a good chunk of their life to be. This is like if you were hired for THE dream job, but knew you would only get to work it for a few months in all, and suddenly had a whole extra year of it dropped in your lap. They have food, water, air, designated bunk space, communications with their families under better conditions than deployed servicemen, meaningful work to do, and like minded people to work with. They’re fine.
Miracle it actually made it to the ISS in the first place. Those two astronauts should have been awarded bravery medals for just stepping into a Boeing craft.
When you're the only game in town, exorbitant demands, delays, and excuses drive revenue. However, when there's real competition, you can't change fast enough and will end up losing. Boeing should have felt humiliated for trying to stop SpaceX from entering the playing field back then. Not now.
Look up Flight 243 and Flight 811 and what happened when they left Honolulu in 1988 & 1989. Boeing planes have been literally falling apart for almost 40 years and it’s JUST NOW BEING ADDRESSED.
To be fair, Flight 243 was an airline problem (the plane had exceeded the maximum flight numbers by more than 5000 flights and should have been grounded). Flight 811 however, was definitely a design flaw which apparently was too expensive to fix.
@@khosrowzare8301 I was on 811. Fortunately I got off in Honolulu before the exciting part. I was still waiting for the USMC bus to pick me up when the reporters showed up.
Cannot even fetch back two astronauts that are only 250 miles away in 2024 but they claim they went to the moon that's 238 900 miles away more than half a century ago.
Back then, Boeing was run by talented engineers from North America. Now the engineers are from third world countries who don't give a damn if Boeing fails.
What a sorry old git that NASA chief was. Nothing like the young clean cut cigar chomping NASA leaders of the 1960’s with the tie, short sleeve shirt and pocket protecter combo!
Though I don’t know his history with NASA, I know he was a multi mission Shuttle astronaut before being appointed (by Biden) to head NASA. Realistically, it’s little different than Deke Slayton heading the Astronaut Office.
Boeing should be embarrassed! They’ve left two human beings stranded in space!! I can’t imagine how scary it must have been when they told them they may have to be up there for months. I hope Elon can get them soon.
The two astronauts will have to stay on the ISS until February of 2025. However, they already have almost two years of space flight time between them so are used to it. They likely don't mind the extended mission too much because mission time is highly sought after and they are approaching the end of their active flight careers.
…They’re astronauts. And they’re in space. They are where they’ve trained a good chunk of their life to be. This is like if you were hired for THE dream job, but knew you would only get to work it for a few months in all, and suddenly had a whole extra year of it dropped in your lap. They have food, water, air, designated bunk space, communications with their families under better living conditions that deployed servicemen, meaningful work to do, and like minded people to work with. They’re fine.
They might not have much muscle mass when they come back. The lady already looked overly thin and old, before she left. She might look like the Planet of the Apes corpse, whose glass enclosure broke.
Out with the old guard, in with the new. Boeing is an old company, still doing things as they where done in 1960. Still operating like a government entity with unlimited time, resources and funds. SpaceX is sharp, and on point, they value time, money, resources. I don't think Boeing will ever compete.
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Would Boeing prefer having a major accident in flight and 2 dead astronauts? That would literally kill the company altogether.
Dude…They’re astronauts. And they’re in space. They are where they’ve trained a good chunk of their life to be. This is like if you were hired for THE dream job, but knew you would only get to work it for a few months in all, and suddenly had a whole extra year of it dropped in your lap. They have food, water, air, designated bunk space, communications with their families under better living conditions that deployed servicemen, meaningful work to do, and like minded people to work with. They’re fine.
@@adamkucera9094 Yeah let them come back on Starliner and pray that there isn’t another Space shuttle Columbia style disaster! That would finish Boing and Starliner. NASA should have gone with Dreamchaser as the second vehicle.
@@shankedit65 As a matter of fact, I am pleased as punch Boeing is being shown up be Elon and Spacex. What I'm saying is people are misreading the astronaut' situation.
Space X puts the world to shame with anything space related. We live in Titusville and have a front row seat to SpaceX expertise. The running joke in Titusville when NASA had a hard time getting Artemis launched was maybe NASA could invite the Space X guys over for lunch and pick their brains for suggestions.
Boeing practices Diversity, Equity and Incompetence when hiring and it shows.
That's part of the problem because they assign positions that doesn't match the skill of the employee. The actual problem is the management. The reason why SpaceX is dominating space flight rn is because of innovations and willing to take risk. Boeing is leaning on a more traditional approach and stick to what was working. They refuse anyone who actually has an idea to shape a new type of spacecraft. I mean, have you seen the interior of the starliner? It looks like it was built in the 90's.
Same with the whole country, the decline of western world is primaraly due of DEI being pushed to replace meritocracy...
As if you know anything about their employees dumb ass
NASA doesn't think the Boeing craft will survive a reentry. We shall see.
@@UTClans_UTZ It no longer matters -- that option is a dead duck and so is Boeing. Perception is reality.
well, if Boeing wasn't hiring members of the Sopranos to "take out" the safety whistleblowers, maybe they wouldn't be in this position.
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Talk .you will die talking?
*Those are of the ones we know of. Who knows how many they have taken out that we don't know of. Probably hundreds that have said they are going to the press and never made it. They died on the job under mysterious circumstances. Like walking behind a rocket engine and it fires for no reason, etc...*
Because they are covering for the DEI hire QC nightmare.
Scary how that just isn’t a thing anymore isn’t it? Imagine if Elon was taking out whistleblowers. They’d have news specials on the billionaire trump supporter who has bodies buried somewhere on Tesla property of those who dare speak out against his evil.
Boeing should be thanking Elon Musk for saving their asses.
Except Boeing didn't want to use Dragon, they wanted to risk it and bring the astronauts back on Starliner.
Elon should refuse... Then Nasa will have to beg the Russians to send up a Soyuz capsule
He's putting the final nail in their coffin
I think that Boeing has a ton of DEI hires that don't know shit about space travel. Boeing is risking lives to serve their own egos. Sickening.
@@Roblez813Boeing built their own coffin. Elon is just cleaning up Boeings mess and saving lives, again.
DEI hires ? Cost saving exercises? What is it this time Boeing? The American people deserve better
And the ironic part is that ‘better’ is still diverse, just natural diversity based on personal talents and skills vs mandated diversity based on skin color and sexual orientation first. Please stop screwing with our future with this woke socialism crap.
A reputation is long and hard to earn and so easy to lose. Gaining it back again is almost if not, impossible.
Well, Trump is about to bail out America again. You get what you pay for, period.
DEI🤭😆🤣
Death spiral - they will be purchased - if for no other reason than to get them out of the way.
From a once loved and reputable ENGINEERING company to a bloated, greedy, CRT / DEI HR driven loser company. Will Boeing ever recover ????😢
Couldn't agree more on every point, mate. Once the world leader that beat all other before her from WW2 bombers to the venerable 747 Jumbo. Sad really.
@@smeary10 I agree absolutely. This is just another reflection of the whole woke western world and how it's being destroyed from within. I'm bloody angry about it and feel for all the great engineers and project managers within the once-great Boeing who have had their careers and reputations trashed.
Elon is way closer to Clarence Kelly (SR71) than any diversity hire from Boeing.
Remember that DEI was a creation of Marxists. These Marxists, via the intervention of Beijing, have infiltrated Corporate and Academic and Governments around the western world.
Why did they do this? Look at the wreckage of Boeing!
No
Hope not
We hate Space X , we talk shit about them all the time. That entitled arrogance says it all.
Especially with their record of disasters, should be ashamed of themselves.
That's your problem there lady ! Boeing has too many politicians and not enough competent engineers ! They should be removed from the Governments Vendor list until they finish their homework.
Really good companies don´t hate good competition, they cherish it.
Boeing should spend their energy on improving their technology, instead of hating and talking shit. Their reputation is already bad, and a Boeing employee saying that makes them worse than they already are.
Boeing has become arrogant themselves.
Look what has happened, they sat on their laurels reaping in profits year after year, never branching out into anything else. Keeping a literal lock on aerospace engineering.
Now an up and comer has things figure out, so Boeing is now butt hurt, literally and figuratively because the competition moved faster, better and quicker.
SpaceX isn't the bad guy in this story. SpaceX is the scrappy under dog who got tired of the old guard.
If it's Boeing, I ain't going.
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funny
If it's made in India, I ain't buying 😊
If it's made in China, I ain't even looking.
@@Kitchie26 ouch. BRICS vs. USA
shouldn't Boeing leadership be fired over this?
fired.... over hot coal?..... or 3,422°C furnace
"I'm looking for a nice bonus this year." -Boeing's CEO, probably
@@rustyshackelford3371 19 to 32 million dollars .
David Calhoun recently stepped down as CEO. He was replaced by a new guy that is alleged to be more in line with historic Boeing leadership values, though I’m suspicious of anyone AP praises.
Changing the leadership doesn't remove the company policy of DEI. What needs to change is the ineffective employees hiding behind group projects. Their less than ideal fit is hidden as part of a group.
Imagine being hating on the people rescuing your astronauts. Thats what is shameful. Boeing needs to just shut down at this point
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Boeing has become a second rate aerospace company. They cannot even build reliable passenger planes. What hope, a space ship? Boeing employees can only blame themselves for being so slack.
No, no, no my friend. Blame the managerial structure from McDonnell Douglas, wearing Boeing like a skin walker. Most, if not all the good engineers left years ago to work for better companies like Lockheed Martin and Spacex.
This is what happens when you replace ingenuity and creativity with bureaucracy and political aligned agendas. Quality goes down the toilet.
Boeing is the most corrupt company in the world, they have the most oldest grandpa engineers in the world, they put safety last, they have the most DEI in the work force. Boeing should be banned from making any more planes. They were good 20 years ago but now they are just corrupt as the cartel
@@gettotheGate wrong again Boeing was having Big Problems long be for the MD merger. Jal 123 Us air 427 United 585 say it all
@@av2245 that's what is happening in my company as well(a Fortune 100 tech company). A lot of teams and management positions who are created and they fight each others like politic parties, not a technical debate at all. Those people can spend like 8 hours for meeting but none of them want to spend 1 hour to research and read document before.
Most of them claim themself as engineer but it's a shame and the largest bull-shit which I have ever seen.
They pretend busy at work by joining a lot of unrelated meetings as much as possible. I saw two co-workers has been worked on a task like 6-months. Actually, those tasks are only 3-4 days when it come to my team. Their manager didn't do anything although I told him about that.
I believe Boeing or Twitter has the same shits like that. So, the engineering became a joke. A good engineer can't stand and work with those slack and stupid co-workers.
Boeing did 2 test flights before having manned spaceships, SpaceX had 11. It's nuts that Boeing was even cleared for this in the first place considering there 2nd test had a bunch of problems just like the 1st.
Politics.
True, but considered at the time Boeing was a soon to be centennial aircraft company, SpaceX was a Silicon Valley start up with crazy ideas about reusability. Boeing was a very safe bet, especially because they and companies they had merged with like McDonell, Douglas, and North American aviation were companies that had built several generations of NASA hardware and spacecraft.
@@gettotheGateIt's sad that you have to use the past tense.
This is what happens when the CEO is also the accountant.
Accountant types are the worse to be running a company.
If its boeing, i would rather walk to space -
They went for a 8 day tour, and are stranded for 8 months.
Sounds like gilligans island.
Eight days MINIMUM. That’s something the reporting always seems to get wrong. Eight days was their minimum, more if the mission had proven successful. Of course, it didn’t.
We need a parody song of this
Ellie in space did a Gilligans Island parody song of it in one of her recent videos.
OMG 😂😂😂
@@gettotheGateok, let’s keep them there for 8 years and call it a resounding success.
Boeing just got a huge fine to avoid criminal prosecution for safety violations. Whom are they trying to fool here? You can't have DEI and safety at the same time. You gotta pick one or the other and Boeing chose DEI.
@@paulaswaim8434 Nothing to do with DEI. I work there. It’s bad executive management and a focus on cost. Just squeezing pennies out of everything, missing the big technical things.
You really think Boeing will pay that fine? They will over charge on something else they do for the government so that it will be like the fine never existed. Hell, they were awarded $4.5 Billion for Starliner and ended up charging NASA an additional $1.5 Billion in overages since it was delayed over and over.
You're ignorant. Try not to embarrass yourself in public.
Should have put Elon on this right away. When you have a disaster like this you need to get the best in at the begining
Elon is not aligned with corrupt political operatives so he wont ever get those 'deals'.
Don't forget that they wanted spacex not to receive any fund and any mission from NASA for making capsule.
They - Boeing
Them/they
Who funds NASA?
working class
What do they get on return?
@leewright7623 buddy you have no clue how much of the technology you use everyday was developed or at least influenced by Research done at Nasa. Space research has an insanely high return of investment compared to other fields, it's a shame people like you are so uneducated. Nasa doesn't get nearly enough budget for what they're worth
@@leewright7623, thanks to SpaceX they actually get something in return. 😉
@@leewright7623a few pictures every few years.
Hey boeing, here is a news flash...just for you: NASA IS THE CUSTOMER....NOT YOU, BOEING
Great job Elon 👍
lol. czcams.com/video/4y40RU5Nx6U/video.html
So Boeing has allowed pride over safety…
What a joke.
Pride ? More like dei
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Yeah whatever, both are equally stupid.
Communism over capitalism more like it.
More like profit over safety.
As I understand it, it was a Boeing system that failed. Why should
NASA risk using them?.
It's political decision from beginning. Starliner has a lot of problem from uncrewed mission and pre-launch preparation but NASA may be forced to launch it.
With failed uncrewed mission, why was Starliner accepted for crewed mission like that?
That's what you get when you employ MBA's in a remote location instead of engineers on site.
You are so right .
Well Boeing CEO is an account manager and Airbus CEO is an engineer!
Biggest issue with almost every corporate with over 1000 employees anywhere on the planet. As soon as the focus is distracted and shifts away from core business -
Another reason in leadership. A lot of incompetent managers will prefer keeping a lot of stupid and slack engineers in his hand. So, their position are safer.
They don't care about the high quality, better engineering. They care more about their paycheck.
Leadership is totally corrupted in many big companies.
Stock in any company that brags about their DEI policy should be classified as "sell."
They should be embarrassed for over running the budget and slow rolling testing and still barely getting them to orbit. Private enterprise for the win.
👀🐔👀🐔😁 Hahahahhahahahahha Instead of hating on SpaceX, how about build better aircraft first and then earn the right to be something SpaceX already IS...
given the "lifespan" of Boeing whistle blowers, I suppose any further information on Boeing's inner-workings will be provided by anonymous sources.
Hopefully Musk starts building commercial airlines too.
Nah, too 20th century.
The guy wants to build a colony on the Moon.. Then off to Mars or one of Jupiter's satellites.
@@goofygrandlouis6296Disagree. Understand Elon Musk wants to do whatever benefits mankind. Elon Musk has proven he can multi-task effectively.
He really could put his time into another 50 businesses and solidify his forever reign as the richest man. If he did small planes(even small jets 1-2people like sonnex) all the way up to large jets, he could use all his star link tech to make the largest and most accurate drone company completely destroying dji. He could then use his jet manufacturing tech to build military drones, big and small. When you have that much money you can really do just about anything you'd want, I'm sure he'll have some more businesses it'll be interesting to see what he does though. He could go into cell phone manufacturing... dude could do literally anything
@@jlo7770 Musk is a geek, money is secondary to geeks, a mere means to an end.
Every engineer's dream is to *create* stuff.
So Musk's legacy is space exploration and flow of information (data, crypto, AI processing..)
@@goofygrandlouis6296 didn't he make his start so to say off paypal? He was one of the 110? People to buy a McLaren f1 from the factory, which is literally built for your body, they measure you and what not and build the interior to fit you perfectly. I think he wants a lasting legacy idk if geek is quite how I'd describe him. Plenty of extremely intelligent people die broke without making a billionth of what elon has. To say money isn't a motivator I think would be disingenuous. For a long time he was building tesla's out of lotus cars. I think his riches have given him the ability to diversify into space exploration, I'm not sure that was his goal from the get go. I wouldn't even say it is at this junction in his life, I think he just wants to offer products to people that are reusable, enjoyable, and protect the values of the greatest country in the world. I also think he says some wild shit to see how people will react. "I want to colonize Mars".
I honestly think he did some research and realized it's highly unlikely the us ever made it to the moon and wants to get people there. I find it extremely unlikely that people just "forgot" how to get there and back. Id also kinda imagine there'd be pictures from satellites of like the junk the us left on the moon, and I don't recall ever seeing any which is odd, since I can see my truck outside my house on Google earth. Idk...
At this point Boeing is too woke to be a reliable company in this industry.
Safety and Boeing in the same sentence makes no sense as we all know. DEI hires cannot save the astronauts.
If it’s Boeing I’m not going
👍
… home.😂
You might be going, but you are not coming back, that's for sure.
If i was working for Boeing and knew i wasnt a DEI hire i would be sending my resume to elon post haste even if it ment a pay cut.😂😂😂
You may want to polish up your spellings, though. Just saying. "Ment"?
Employees? Hm smells more like CEOs, directors, managers and supervisors are humiliated.
In space, nobody can hear you whistleblow.
😂😂😂
Elon should build his own space station ...
shaped like an X
Yes please do it build the x station 🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@stanleykalapana8276 4 x 5EXY shape
@stanleykalapana8276
And call the X station crew x-men.
Don't forget the X-wing fighters!
Boeing is just going to have to understand that the bar is higher now.
You'd think they'd have got that message loud and clear from Airbus, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and every other competitor that's beaten them in the market and produced superior products from A320 to F-35 to the B-2. Maybe they just believe their own shit.
There’s a bar on the ISS? Cool! 🥃🍸🍺
Boeing is so over, as a company.
People don't understand that brand value is as important as the products themselves.
Just like a man's name, once your brand is associated with the word "crap", you're done, finito.
Not really. They’ve inked deals to build unmanned aircraft for the Air Force, that contract is worth about 2.6 billion. They’re also manufacturing F 15‘s for Israel with a profit margin, I think around 50 million. They also have a new CEO which is going to buy them time and a grace period to see how he works out.
@@gettotheGate Government contracts can be the result of plain corruption.
But Boeing's brand is still tarnished and when your brand is associated with "bad quality", it sticks for a long time in the mind of people.
Why on earth would your trust Boeing with safety? They can't be trusted in any capacity.
Boeing blaming everybody else for their failures. There are no real men left at Boeing and the StarWhiner should be scrapped.
😂😂😂
In Elon we trust...
But...but...He's a white man !
The democrats told me that kind is evil and "toxic". Especially the anti-establishement Libertarian ones. 😵💫
Safety first is the right approach.
If humans had always put “safety first “ we’d still be living in trees.
True, but if we put it first, just a couple more times, we’d be hearing interviews and commentary about this incident from Gus Grissom, Christa McAuliffe, and a few others
@@spocko2181Humans never lived in trees.
Companies that literally have people’s life’s in their hands should never cut corners for profits! Dumpster Juice, I blame Kamala the Space Cadet.
I wouldn't want to fly in an airplane (or spacecraft) where they prioritized DEI hiring over your safety !
Everybody knows that everything 'woke' turns to . . . . 💩
They should be embarrassed. Between their planes and now this, what a disgrace. This is what decades of corporate takeovers get you, a company ran by bean counters.
That Boeing crap at the end is such a BS 'PR move' 😂 We thought it would be safe but NASA didn't.
They left in a BMW and they will return in a Lamborghini.
No, no, no,.... Not a Lamborghini, a Tesla.😂😂😂😂
I wouldn’t use Boeing if it were a toothbrush
first 10secs: there's your problem
Love ELON...2 ppl stuck in space and all Boeing can do is feel embarrassed??
Thank god there is a man such as Elon who has helped in time of need. And not the first time either
In spite of this embarrassment, Boeing senior management remains committed to layoff as many low level employees as it takes to make sure they still get paid.
I wonder who boeing is going to assassinate over this?
Oh, I am sure it will be an "obvious" suicide like shot themselves in head ten times or such.
They can’t find astronauts who aren’t pushing 60? I’m not ageist, I’m 72 myself, but c’mon man!
I feel like they used older astronauts because of the risk involved in this particular flight.
Yup, knees and joints start to hurt and slow people down.
@@petera5560 reaction times slow too.
@@timcleeter7592 ACCKK that’s cold, but hilarious 😂. I guess it’s preferable to crash the old Ford not the new Lambo
Don't you know? 60 is the new 20!😂
UFO tech isn't gonna save Boeing either.
With Boeing you're not going. But in this case, you're not returning.
Boeing didn't use to be like this!!! This was a complete failure!
It is lucky the two astronauts even made it to the ISS!!!
Never A Straight Answer is at it again.
Don't blame NASA for boings uselessness.
Ever since the 737MAX disasters I've refused to fly on Boeing aircraft, even if it means I have to pay more.
Victims of Division, Exclusion and Intolerance hiring.
😂😂😂
Yup saw this coming
Look at the bright side boeing at least you didn't have to ask the Russians for help
Goes to show just how far Boeing Executives are willing to personally, put their very lives on the line for their ideals and rigorous standards.
Oh, wait…
Last week, it was stated that Starliner Max was unable to come unmanned. mmmmmm....
No, no, no,.... At Boeing they don’t use the word “unmanned”, it’s “unpersoned”😂😂😂
No one gets hired or promoted at boeing because of skill and competence
I’m sure if I had green and pink hair, face piercing and identified as a raccoon I’d be hired in a flash and made a Subject Matter Expert.
Stuff Happens..... Go SpaceX.
These machines are EXTREMELY Complex.
And Boeing is nowadays an EXTREMELY bad company.
Elon should buy Boeing. Things would change.
Now why would he want to do that?
I’d rather he buy a company like Bigelow Aerospace that fills a space economy niche he doesn’t already have a stake in.
@@gettotheGate both can be done
At this rate he would pay penny on the dollar.
Boeing is becoming a joke & a brand that’s is becoming exceedingly unsafe to use….
Go Elon you legend.
This is what you get when you force out ypur best engineers in favour of low wage workers and yes men.
Hiring Low wage workers from another country other than USA was an unwise move. Boeing is an American company. Why would workers from another country care about making an American company strong ? No they don't care at all. This is a good example of what happens when a company puts profits over engineering talent from the USA, and outsources jobs from another country just to save some money. Boeing is no longer an reputable company to rely on.
That’s funny about the Boeing employee saying they put shit on space x all the time. The jealousy must be huge over there getting beaten all the time.
I would be embarrassed and ashamed if I had to say I worked for Boeing.
Maybe it’s better not to hate space x and just get your astronauts home
No, no, no,... Let they hate and talk s-t about SpaceX and let they bring their own astronauts back in their own rusted tin can.
When Boeing moved from Seattle to Chicago, then went WOKE, that was the end of the great, innovative aviation leader Boeing. Now they are complete failures due to being diverse.
Agreed 👍
Boeing simply ain't going, so why be embarrassed ?
why have these 2 people not been christened "Butch & Sundance".
I would lose my mind being stuck in space for months on end! Hope they have provisions to keep them alive!
Dude…They’re astronauts. And they’re in space. They are where they’ve trained a good chunk of their life to be. This is like if you were hired for THE dream job, but knew you would only get to work it for a few months in all, and suddenly had a whole extra year of it dropped in your lap.
They have food, water, air, designated bunk space, communications with their families under better living conditions that deployed servicemen, meaningful work to do, and like minded people to work with.
They’re fine.
There you go Boeing...your DEI has made you irrelevant.
I don't understand why SpaceX can't get there a lot sooner.
They're going to have to build a compatible system that can dock with the ISS and return the astronauts.
@@Azmania3000 I'm also assuming said capsule has to be compatible with the NASA space suits Suni and Butch have with them as the Space X suits are very different and designed for SpaceX modules just as the NASA suits are designed to operate with their chosen modules - in this case Boeing's capsule.
Each mission is unique, and they have a lot to go over before each launch.
@@Azmania3000 They already have that. They have done it several times already.
@@smeary10 wow didn't even think of that!
The last thing NASA wanted was to turn to SpaceX, but I give them credit for putting safety ahead of politics. Trust that they were under massive pressure to make the return via Boeing so this tells you how concerned the NASA engineers were. Science over politics was a lesson painfully learned via the lost lives of the shuttle disasters.
If I had the power and authority I would force them to come back in their own craft. 😂😂😂
SpaceX will get the job done properly, nasa knows who to call to get it done right. I’d say Elon deserves a bit of respect being that his company has had such success wouldn’t you? I’d also say his success and efficiency would make his word on politics more worthy, but na let’s listen to the people on the screen who definitely don’t have a biased political agenda 😉 let’s remember Elon voted Biden in 2020 wonder what changed his mind 🤔
What????? Boeing is BLAMING NASA?????!!!!!???? Boeing, own up to your failures. Put on your big boy pants, join the real world and accept responsibility for you products and actions. Blaming someone else is hardly the cure to what ails your issues.
Nothing new here. Boeing blamed pilots for the 737-Max crashes for a long time before it because clear that the fault was with their MCAS system that they DIDN'T TELL THE PILOTS ABOUT!
I agree. Only reasons they're blaming NASA is it makes them look bad and they're trying to avoid responsibility for THEIR OWN mistakes.
NASA is the only adult in the room here. They've got a choice between a tested reliable craft vs one that is still experimental and has been experiencing potentially dangerous issues. Not a hard choice.
@@johnnyboy8498 Then the adult should have known better than to send its own astronauts don't you think?
How dare you tell a diverse and equitable company to take accountability for their actions! What are you a racist transphobe bigot?
And EVERYBODY laughed.. when I said it from day one. So obvious.
Boeing should deeply appreciate Indian made components for making its dreams come true. 😅😅😅.
Made in India with alot of curry in a hurry 😂😂😂
Sky News Australia, awesome video dude
Those poor astronauts . What an absolute disgrace . 🌎
Dude…They’re astronauts. And they’re in space. They are where they’ve trained a good chunk of their life to be. This is like if you were hired for THE dream job, but knew you would only get to work it for a few months in all, and suddenly had a whole extra year of it dropped in your lap.
They have food, water, air, designated bunk space, communications with their families under better conditions than deployed servicemen, meaningful work to do, and like minded people to work with.
They’re fine.
True they will have food and water thanks to Musk and SpaceX Dude.
Boeing isn't certain their craft can survive a reentry.
Miracle it actually made it to the ISS in the first place. Those two astronauts should have been awarded bravery medals for just stepping into a Boeing craft.
They can't even build a proper jet... what made anyone think they could build a rocket???
When you're the only game in town, exorbitant demands, delays, and excuses drive revenue. However, when there's real competition, you can't change fast enough and will end up losing. Boeing should have felt humiliated for trying to stop SpaceX from entering the playing field back then. Not now.
They obviously knew they will get humiliated.
Look up Flight 243 and Flight 811 and what happened when they left Honolulu in 1988 & 1989.
Boeing planes have been literally falling apart for almost 40 years and it’s JUST NOW BEING ADDRESSED.
To be fair, Flight 243 was an airline problem (the plane had exceeded the maximum flight numbers by more than 5000 flights and should have been grounded). Flight 811 however, was definitely a design flaw which apparently was too expensive to fix.
@@khosrowzare8301 I was on 811. Fortunately I got off in Honolulu before the exciting part.
I was still waiting for the USMC bus to pick me up when the reporters showed up.
They aren't diverse enough
Cannot even fetch back two astronauts that are only 250 miles away in 2024 but they claim they went to the moon that's 238 900 miles away more than half a century ago.
Back then, Boeing was run by talented engineers from North America. Now the engineers are from third world countries who don't give a damn if Boeing fails.
Um, actually...it's a commitment Boeing made to C.R.T./D.E.I. instead of Q.C. issues...🙄
dei working well i see
Elon holds the cards with the US through Space X and they know it.
What a sorry old git that NASA chief was. Nothing like the young clean cut cigar chomping NASA leaders of the 1960’s with the tie, short sleeve shirt and pocket protecter combo!
It's the same guy 60 years later!
Though I don’t know his history with NASA, I know he was a multi mission Shuttle astronaut before being appointed (by Biden) to head NASA. Realistically, it’s little different than Deke Slayton heading the Astronaut Office.
boeing investors are destroying the company
And this is something high profile. Just imagine how many issues occur that we don't hear about.
Is no one going to bring up how is it possible to keep 2 people alive for 6 months if they where only set up for 8 days?
Boeing should be embarrassed! They’ve left two human beings stranded in space!! I can’t imagine how scary it must have been when they told them they may have to be up there for months. I hope Elon can get them soon.
The two astronauts will have to stay on the ISS until February of 2025. However, they already have almost two years of space flight time between them so are used to it. They likely don't mind the extended mission too much because mission time is highly sought after and they are approaching the end of their active flight careers.
…They’re astronauts. And they’re in space. They are where they’ve trained a good chunk of their life to be. This is like if you were hired for THE dream job, but knew you would only get to work it for a few months in all, and suddenly had a whole extra year of it dropped in your lap.
They have food, water, air, designated bunk space, communications with their families under better living conditions that deployed servicemen, meaningful work to do, and like minded people to work with.
They’re fine.
@@Snargfargleand if they try coming back in Boeing’s craft that might really end of their flying time.😂😂😂
They might not have much muscle mass when they come back. The lady already looked overly thin and old, before she left. She might look like the Planet of the Apes corpse, whose glass enclosure broke.
Musk hires engineers, Boeing hires accountants ... Big difference
Out with the old guard, in with the new. Boeing is an old company, still doing things as they where done in 1960. Still operating like a government entity with unlimited time, resources and funds. SpaceX is sharp, and on point, they value time, money, resources. I don't think Boeing will ever compete.
Would Boeing prefer having a major accident in flight and 2 dead astronauts? That would literally kill the company altogether.
Sacrifices sometimes have to be made for the Greater Good.😂😂😂
Or maybe just grateful.
Soyuz just did a resupply mission to the ISS last week with no issues, just ask them instead of torturing these 2 poor souls, get them home
Dude…They’re astronauts. And they’re in space. They are where they’ve trained a good chunk of their life to be. This is like if you were hired for THE dream job, but knew you would only get to work it for a few months in all, and suddenly had a whole extra year of it dropped in your lap.
They have food, water, air, designated bunk space, communications with their families under better living conditions that deployed servicemen, meaningful work to do, and like minded people to work with.
They’re fine.
@@gettotheGate you must work for wokling boeing pr dept
@@gettotheGatelet them come back in their own craft Dude.
@@adamkucera9094 Yeah let them come back on Starliner and pray that there isn’t another Space shuttle Columbia style disaster! That would finish Boing and Starliner. NASA should have gone with Dreamchaser as the second vehicle.
@@shankedit65 As a matter of fact, I am pleased as punch Boeing is being shown up be Elon and Spacex. What I'm saying is people are misreading the astronaut' situation.
Space X puts the world to shame with anything space related. We live in Titusville and have a front row seat to SpaceX expertise. The running joke in Titusville when NASA had a hard time getting Artemis launched was maybe NASA could invite the Space X guys over for lunch and pick their brains for suggestions.
Stop DEI and hire qualified people….