The FIRST move to start the downswing (don’t fall for this illusion)
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You've heard it a thousand times... "start the downswing from the ground up."
And yet there's a HUGE difference between what your hips actually do to start the downswing... and what it feels like for most golfers.
And so in today's lesson we're going to sort it out once and for all with the help of Tommy Fleetwood, owner of one of the best golf swings on tour and this week's winner at the Dubai Invitational.
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Great video and definitely something that coaches don't really focus on when giving lessons. I like that you show a different way to think about it and will give the medicine ball a try and this concept has always been and continues to be something I work on but can never seem to grasp.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you Zach for this video. This is something I have been working on for months now, but you explain it very well. Focus on proper hip movement is by far the swing improvement that has had the biggest impact on my ball striking. A positive side effect is that by doing it properly I have released a lot of tension in my lower back as well.
That is awesome! So many believe that this move would hurt your back, and it’s just the opposite. Standing up too soon is a giant back ache.
This is SO good man! Thank you!
Best video on this topic...appreciate keeping it simple with the feeling of the forward hip going backwards
Glad you liked it!
Absolutely brilliant video I'll definitely be trying that at home and the driving range thanks for sharing
Good luck, let us know how it goes.
Good stuff Zach!
Hi Zach just to let you know that I've tried the doing what you've put on video l found it the drill hard at first but I'm certain with lots of practice I'll get there thanks for sharing your knowledge 😊😊
That’s a great mindset.
The movement you describe is a hip hinge motion and most people don't hip hinge well in transition, the legs bend from the knees without the knees moving forward and the backside goes back and the upper body tilts forward like a jack knife, all those movements are combined in the hip hinge. Dead lifts are a good way to train it.. It is a difficult pattern to get into the swing and is best done slowly at first and building the pattern and you have to get quite good at it having done a lot of it before you have any real chance of being able to do it when hitting balls.
Loving those thoughts there. Definitely are some that will struggle to do this correctly at first. Watching yourself in a mirror is really helpful also.
This makes so much sense. Like me, I use CASH. This is my way of being able to at least hit the correctly and stay online most of the time. C- Clear the arms, elbow bend upward. A- Aim the ball, for me see the railroad tracks. S- Stay connected, keep the arms connected to the torso. H- Have a seat in the downswing like sitting on a barstool. My scores dropped considerably and ball striking a little more consistent.
yup, this is gold.
Very nice work on critical stage of downswing! Fleetwood = great role model!
Thank you very much!
Question coach, I'm going to assume no but for the longer pitch shots, 40+ yarders, would you do the butt move as well?
Thanks
excellent info
Glad you liked it
It has been said the downswing in all the elite players starts with the left shoulder moving up (arms waiting) which initiates the lower body move. Those that say this this say the players do not feel this, but are actually doing it. The two moves are closely bound together, the conjecture is which move initiates and which follows so quickly it is imperceptible which is actually first.
Thx
That is some very informative footage of all these guys engaging the hip flexors first. Really shows how to engage and fire the most powerful levers. Great stuff! thank you
As a physical therapist, I can tell you that you don't intentionally activate your hip flexors with that squatting motion....it is eccentric load of the glutes and quads, as you lower down. Keep in mind that these positions are all exaggerated
Thanks glad you enjoyed it.
I find this move doesn't have to be thought about, but just happens naturally if I try to pull the club down as hard as I can with my arms. As long as I keep my head behind the ball, allow my right knee to move toward the ball as I pull down, it becomes an athletic move like a pitcher throwing a fast ball. A pitcher doesn't have to think about his lower body, it just responds as needed to throw the ball hard as possible. I think this is why Sergio Garcia says his first move is to pull down or 'ring the bell.'
When you demonstrated the movement with the medicine ball, it became clear how powerful this can be. I'll definitely work on this. Thanks!
That’s great to hear, glad I didn’t look stupid 😅
Hi Zach good video you say Fleetwood looks like first move down is moving the left hip straight back but you also say squatting the button back using the feet should you squat the but back then the left hip back or both at the same time kindly advise thanks for your help Jack
The backswing is more controlled by the trail leg. And the downswing switches to the lead leg dominating. So I like how how Tommy is talking about moving his lead hip back to start down.
At the beginning of the video, that amateur on the range. Is that Larry Montplaisir at Mesa Country Club in Arizona?
Do you squat straight down from top of back swing or squat into lead led at an angle?
Revelatory Zach. In all my years(88) I've never seen this left hip (both actually) squat. Look forward to trying to effect it. Have a great day-Russ
Sounds good Russ, have at it.
Appreciate you Zach, have been doing the med ball slam every day since watching. One dumb question, I have lots to learn. If left hip goes back to start downswing, where does weight shift, front foot pressure happen. Wouldn’t hips bump forward first?
In order for you to push your lead hip back, you would have pressure there already. I feel it’s always better to keep it as simple as possible.
Great video. I’m a +3 handicapper and I’ve watched no less than 100 videos online trying to fix early extension. I struggle with getting taller through impact and my right hip always gets closer to the ball coming down stopping me from getting consistent clubface control. I hope this helps me!
You know what else is great/so important about this move (the squat)? It's the way that every tour player creates the automatic and subconscious requirement of shallowing the angle of attack to the ball. Think about it - from address if you make your backswing and then push your chest 4-5 inches down towards your toes (the result of the squat), if you kept the angle of the attack the same as your takeaway, on your downswing you would plant that club about a foot behind the ball because you are those 4-5 inches closer and your low point would also be 4-5 inches lower. This move takes advantage of the basic ability of even a high handicapper to route the clubhead through space and put it on the back of the ball. As the space between your chest and the ground is reduced, you will unconsciously find a way to do just that, and the only is by getting your hands in front of the clubhead, putting the lead wrist in flexion and automatically creating lag. The angle of attack naturally shallows and you need to use your upper body to swing "around" your lead leg vs using your hands and arms to flip through on a steeper path. So much talk about "shallowing" on the downswing and there are so many ways to get a more shallow shaft angle but unless you match it up with your posture it will end in disaster. Take advantage of a simple, easy to replicate "time after time" move that creates an unconscious necessity to create more difficult moves and takes advantage of the amazing ability of our hand eye to get that clubhead to the back of the ball👍
I could see from the video. Tommy’s hips rotate hard, but his right pocket doesn’t get any closer to the ball, giving his hands the space to attack the ball. Contrary to your 9 handicap golfer who rotates his hips completely differently and has no space
Great observation. It is not easy to isolate what each leg is doing as we start to rotate.
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I get the same result if i focus on the trail hip not coming forward. Trail hip goes back in the back swing and stays back in the downswing. Then in the downswing the lead hip goes back like a door opening around a hinge (trail hip).
I love it, sounds just like Tigers description which work pretty good for him.
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It looks like Tommy keeps his right foot down, which helps maintain posture. I just tried this today and got good results.
This is correct,.
Relax the spine and let the hip fall back .
BOOM 💥
The problem I find is simultaneously keeping the left shoulder down (not standing up out of posture) and then maintaining side bend through finish.
Take a look at rib cage sway. Obscure piece but the most important factor in keeping the lead shoulder down.
Great video. They don’t mention the side bend it takes to be able to do that. Us older guys can’t get down there!!
You are quite correct sir. This squatting and turning move is for younger folk who are happy to end up with serious back trouble in their 20s (Zalatoris, Morikawa, Cantlay etc). Bobby Jones, Bobby Locke, Jack Nicklaus, Tom Watson, Greg Norman, Ian Woosnam never did this bobbing up and down., Nicklaus and Woosnam actually stood up through impact! Tiger Woods never did it despite his practice routine. Most CZcams pros who teach this don't do it either. Look after your back, swing the club.
Just beginning the downswing by engaging the right muscles in your lower body and grabbing the ground ground. How much you side bend or not after this initiation is not that most important factor. And yes Nicklaus and Zalatoris to extend earlier in the downswing, but they do start the downswing in this same fashion.
So the lower body movement starts BEFORE the upper body has completed the backswing? Feel a stretch there?
You got it exactly.
It's called flexibility. The dude on the right is older. I can relate. I'm in my mid forties and I have really bad back issues and I lost a ton of flexibility. It's hard for me to bend down and push down to create that much downward force. The other thing is the pressure on feet creates plantar. If you're young I get that you should be able to have a little more bend and downward force in your body. If you don't have the flex, then I think the focus should be on finding a path to deliver the club head efficiently with as with as little strain on your body as possible. It may mean more upright with more use of your arms. Not PGA, bit for an amateur rec player, it may allow you to last longer.
You bring up a very good point. A lot of factors that can limit this movement and have to then rely on more of the arms swinging the club down. But also a hip hinge is one of the first and most basic movement patterns learned as a baby. If there is any chance of re learning it, I would try like crazy to get it back, it can really transform your swing.
The difference between the two for me,is the right shoulder move.. Tommy's moving his right shoulder straight out in front of him and a little down,as he pulls the left arm under him...look at the right shoulder difference at impact,Tommys is way more out towards target line
Regardless of what we both see, the best thing for both of us to do is look at a video of our own swing and see what might be lacking.
This is brilliant, the feeling of throwing a medicine ball down is so helpful.
Easier to learn with some simple thoughts and feels.
This thumbnail is a work of art
Thank you I thought so too.
I found a new feel messing around don’t no if anyone does this might sound stupid lol I suck my belly in and hold my belly in as long as I can. I just have loads of room on my down swing
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The main difference is take away plane. Also amateur loses his leading side too early, which is the left shoulder causing loss of control
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My question is, do they actually move their lower body sort of physically, or is it just hapoening? Because if i pretend my stick is really heavy, and pull it down towards the ground, my feet automatically does everything they should automatically and on video it looks as if my legs start first. So do these golfers actually even move their legs conciously or is it just a reaction from pulling down? And then, if this is not the case, then should we even pull the club down, or JUST use our legs😂 because from my testing, just using legs, makes the arms move really fast as well😂 i am getting pretty good, but god I can't even get the mpst basic of concepts, because no matter what i try, everything just works😂 but i am no where near pro distances, and my swing feels a bit off.. just so damn frustrating
Camilo Villegas.
So there it’s a sitting down on a stool motion ??
More of a bowing down motion.
Fairway Jesus 😂😂
Hopefully I’m not being blasphemous.
Left knee every time, but the ams right elbow doesn’t tuck-in as tight as Tommyboy.
Any way that gets the job done well.
Thing is they never mention the pop up move that follows
I can see them doing it….not to the exaggerated point they are rehearsing but I can see it
The videos are *wildly* different. Anyone that can’t see the problems / differences doesn’t know what they are looking at.
Most golfers are not naturally athletic. Since they started they are compensating. The spin out and thrush vs the squat is their attempt to generate speed. Its understandable. Most pgolfers don't have that hand/eye to not hit 6 inches behind the ball with the squat move.Whe I see kids struggle. I get them to practice standing jumps and underarm throwing of the goofball. Their nrains quicky get it from then on
And this whole time the faldos and the chamblees said your head shouldn’t drop and that is the problem with tigers swing lol
Great point! They definitely misunderstood this.
9 handicap 😉
Hey I stand by it.
I've been a subscriber to the website (BSP) and enjoy Zach's teaching style, but the forced watching of commercials for 4:46 today is putting me on the path to ignoring these training 'opportunities'.
for someone with access to "free of charge instruction,' your observation/complaint leads ME to one, pretty firm conclusion: I do not want to be in a foursome with you - on the golf course, or anywhere else. "older_not_wiser" an excellent moniker for you!! ignore away
CZcams premium is the way to go.
@Older_not_wiser : is there a way you could help me/us/Zach translate the following gem " forced watching of commercials for 4:46 today is putting me on the path to ignoring these training 'opportunities'. You choose the word "forced" Perhaps a family member/friend/golf buddy has you shackled to a chair in a dank basement? Or? Help us out!!
You have to remember when they do that "magic move" -- your weight has already shifted to your front foot and where you feel the weight on your back foot is in their instep. Then you push off with your front foot -- you are using ground forces like jumping - speeds the club up.
If this guy is a 9 handicap, omg how bad is my swing?😂
When he said Fairway Jesus, I was done.....
It is fitting
This is a 5 minute video to say that Fleetwood moves the left hip away from the ball to make space, and the 9 hdcp moves his right up towards to ball and runs out of space. Both are rotating their hips to start, but you have to pay attention to how.
I like it, great explanation.
That woman is an absolute dollface
Missed it.
There is no way that is the swing of a 9 handicap, maybe 19 but not 9!
Exactly.
A lot of competitive experience a good short game, and hits balls constantly, but struggles to make this move on the downswing.
this not rory
That has to be the worst 9 handicap golf swing!
The 9 handicap guy probably swings as well as he can with the body he has.
The game is too technical. Theres loads of players, all who do it a different way. Lots of players probably just do this hip move instinctively, without knowing what theyre doing. Just hit the thing, work out how YOU hit it straight, and go from there.
I believe in always trying to enjoy the game 1st, and 2nd always be trying to progress. Hate to see golf games that are stagnant or stuck in a rut.
Fleetwood has never won a major, not exactly the last word in "grace under pressure."
True, but taking Rory down sure has to feel good. Maybe he breaks thru this year.
looks horrific. the secret is to not do anything to start your downswing
You have a nice channel. But we need to do something to start down. Especially for those that are doing it incorrectly.
@ZachAllenGolf Well, only with short shots. Up to the point of max left we can turn the right clavicle thru, as in the medicine ball drill. But, with the full swing the focus has to be on just swinging back. And, you can easily prove this to yourself. As a drill, hold the club out to your left and then press the heel pad of your hand in front of the clubhead. The weight of the club will initiate your backswing and ensure that the correct muscles are in control. Stop at the top of your backswing, then recommence your backswing by pushing back with the joint of your left wrist. You will find that your left side will react against your wrist joint and turn to the left. And, this increases swing coil in the start of the downswing.
No rotation in golf swing .
What do you mean?