I personally like the overall layout and utility of the Vegas, but there are pros and cons to everything. What I like about Class C's (and particularly Super C's) is the crash zone in front of the driver, the ability to exit the cab through adjacent doors on both sides, and the relative ease of maintenance for everything under the hood. But the step-down into the cab, and the overhead berth are big negatives. I've looked at everything from fifth wheels, to trailers, to truck-bed campers, and everything in between, and there is always something that drives me to look for an alternative. When they come up with the perfect RV, I'll likely be dead and gone.
Do yourself a HUUUUUGE favor. Google picture search 'People Camping'. I'm going to spoil it for you. You will not see one picture of anyone INSIDE of an RV of any type. You are over thinking it. An RV is place for storage, food, sleeping and in the case of a motor coach, transportation. Your RV is NOT your adventure. Your adventure is where you are going. Start living, not shopping. Our favorite spot is Gulf Shores. I can be there in 12 hours, do I care if I'm driving my RV or pulling my condo on wheels??? Food for thought.
One more thing, I sold cars for 22 years. My beginning years I was very well trained by Toyota. (Say what you want, their training was better than any other manufacturer) I would rather have my engine way below me than right in front of me coming into where I'm sitting. That and NOBODY ever brings in a class A and says I want to trade for a class C. NEVER.
Nice comparo Geoff. I actually like when you don't have a camera person to help you with videos. A lot of times, the sales person is hogging up the video, when I want to see the RV. I don't need to see them yapping about their product, just show me the vehicle. Great job
We bought a Vegas new in 2018. I always liked the Thor floor plans and storage, BUT,, the thing drove terrible (As a truck driver It was scarry driving it because it wandered all over the road) and it literally started falling apart. I can't go into all the things that were bad. There is not enough room. It was in the dealer shop about three months repairing things. After six months we couldn't stand it any more and traded it in for another brand.
Not surprised you had those issues. My main problem with bot of these w/o even looking at them further is the fact that Thor makes them, as Thor is one of the top crap-maker RV brands. Consequently, I'd want neither of thee...but WOULD be interested in a Vegas-like Class A if it were made buy a quality makers, like Pleasure-Way, Leisure Travel Vans or other quality maker. Just not anything from Thor. -- BR
@@billredding2000 I agree thor is crap. microwave too low can"t see what's going on. would rather buy Canadian product like leisure travel vans. they are quality.
Great rigs! For my personal preference tho i only go for layouts with a permanent bed....having to set up a bed (even the easy ones) really disturb the space, plus you have to find storage for all your bedding and pillows when the bed is put away
Ha, not these days. I can't believe what people are selling their houses for. It's CRAZY! But yes, covid brought out the greed in just about every business. That, and I don't know where the heck the work force went but it seems like people have to pay $20 per hour for fast food workers which makes a crappy burger cost $8 and a small class A cost $100,000.
I considered buying a Thor Vegas...BUT.....I need a back door that allows me to move whatever...lumber, furnature, etc. I, instead, bought a Thor Tellaro that HAS that back door and plenty of storage space where I can "park" all that lumber, furnature, etc while transporting it. I WISH Thor would consider putting a back door on the Vegas so I can use the vehicle for more than just camping. On the Vegas 24.1, which DOES have a back door, all Thor would need to do is put a "hatch" on the forward side of the rear storage space, so things like lumber, kayaks, bikes etc could be passed through into the rear sleeping area. Hope they're listening!
That dining table, on the LEFT side of the vehicle is great. You can park anywhere and enjoy the scenery. On most vehicles the dining area is on the left side of the vehicle. So all you can see is traffic passing by!
I completely agree. It's so disappointing when you are the salesperson and the customer calls you on their first trip screaming 'It's raining inside my slide out!' However, the Vegas is sooo hard to beat because of its size. I now work for a different dealership in St. Louis that sells Coachmen products. It's a night and day difference. Don't get me wrong, they all have their problems, but not like the Vegas, ACE and Windsport.
Thor is pushing out vehicles so fast, QC is NOT their high point. They rely on the the customers to do that and bring the problems back to the dealer to fix. The RV's, once they are "trouble shot" by the customer, are great vehicles. BUT...the new owner has to put a lot of time and effort figuring out and fixing all the problems that come out of the factory. I've had two Thor RV's, a B+ and a B. I had to do a lot of work on both after purchase.
What type of work are we talking? Small leaks? Minor cosmetics and such? Or we talkin you’ll end up stranded or with black water all over the floor? To me the price range justifies SOME flaws that need to be fixed or addressed by the dealer after they’re found. But not to end up stranded and blasted with a hefty tow bill lol
@@happycampinggeoff thanks for reply. I was wondering if this thor front end style gets at least 1mpg better than regular square class A if similar length/weigth
It will get a little better gas mileage simply due to its weight. If you put the same engine in a coach that's ten feet longer that engine has to work a LOT harder to move it down the road. Does the curvature of the windshield help? I would say a little.
It's quite common on Thor motor coaches. We find all kind of broken stuff, misaligned stuff and things that need adjustments before we sell them. It all gets fixed before the unit is delivered. Do you own a motor coach?
@@larrydickman6016 The floor is not buckling. That is a piece of plastic attached to the couch to sweep the floor so things don't go under and into the slide out area.
I have been selling campers for quite a while. NOBOBY goes from a class A to a class C. They always go from a class C to a class A. You aren't comparing an apple to an apple.
@@happycampinggeoffWe went from A to C and I know others who have done the same. Heck we once went from diesel pusher to truck camper! We've had 7 RVs. Every type has strengths and weaknesses. It depends on what you need and value.
Prices on a video that's going on two years old have nothing to do with prices today. If you want current pricing your best bet is to go to rvtrader.com and look them up. Then you can comparison shop. That same coach is probably $30,000 to $40,000 more since covid.
I doubt you could due to the fold in the mattress when it's stored. When it's folded it uses all of the space between the wall and the bed support when folded up.
Bigger bathroom, bigger coach. Bigger bed, bigger coach. Bigger kitchen, bigger coach. See where I'm going with this? If you make something bigger you either have to make something else smaller or make the coach longer.
The biggest difference I can see is the class A doesn't have a permanent bed therefore you have to tear your rig apart every time you need a bed not convenient so I don't see how the two actually compare at all you're comparing an apple and an orange find a little Class A with a permanent bed and compare those two and then see what the difference is
Really? 'Tear your rig apart'. I moved two cushions and released a pin one handed while making a video, lol. You could leave the bed down the whole time. You don't have to put it up. I guess then you would complain that there is no couch. Try to see the good in things, life is better.
@Natural Witch, you don't seem to know that RV manufacturers always have more than one model to choose from with different configurations. Thor makes a 24.1 with a permanent king size bed, a bath that expands into a changing room, and the same non-drop-down-to-get-to-front seat that Geoff was explaining to you. You always have some form of compromise in RV living. I have a 24.1 and I bought it for exactly the reason Geoff showed and explained to the uninformed. You don't know what you don't know, well, now you know.
I have this model and it takes me about 20 seconds to take the bed down, mine is already made and ready to use as soon as I take it down. Didn't like the 24.1 because of the smaller shower and less kitchen counter space. Love the layout and storage of mine!
I was interested but with the cheesy sells pitch and person likes /dislikes - could not get through the video - furthermore he convinced me not to bother
Funny, you say 18 inches longer than a class C, now tell me the difference in price. Plus I hate to have to set up my bed at night. I just want to get in it not set it up.
The price was very close at the time and it is pretty close in price now. Surely you are capable of going to rvtrader and checking for yourself, right? And I'm sorry that they put in a murphy bed for more space when you aren't sleeping and it bothers you. Maybe, just maybe this one isn't for you. Just curious, are you one of those angry people who goes online looking for a keyboard fight? If so, kinda pathetic.
Please, post a link to one of your expert videos below in this comment. I would like to see a video you made since you think you know what is best. Crickets!
Class C is the best seller overall !! Rv dealers will say the same thing . When it comes to counter tops the length of the Rv is where you'll get abundance amount of space counter and slide outs which this type of model doesn't have. This individual is giving a sales pitch to move these STAY AWAY FROM THIS TYPE OF RV
So, for all of the years I have been selling RV's and the fact that NOBODY brings in a class A and says, 'I want to trade this for a class C' isn't important information??? People always go from a class C to a class A. And after the fact they say, I wish I would have done this sooner. And yes, there are more class c's sold. Why? Because they cost less than a class A. I love the comments when they come in at 2:00am, lol!
Doesn't matter what time a comment comes in the fact is the fact and I will continue to comment and I'll have friends comment !! All negative comments will surely not help you on what sales you attempt to make if you catch my drift ASSHOLE
Definitely a nice size, with a lot of space, just Beautiful
I like the honesty on this video.😊
I'll be looking to purchase a Thor Vegas 😊.
Great job explaining all the great details. Thanks for sharing ❤ NewJersey
Thanks for watching!
I personally like the overall layout and utility of the Vegas, but there are pros and cons to everything. What I like about Class C's (and particularly Super C's) is the crash zone in front of the driver, the ability to exit the cab through adjacent doors on both sides, and the relative ease of maintenance for everything under the hood.
But the step-down into the cab, and the overhead berth are big negatives. I've looked at everything from fifth wheels, to trailers, to truck-bed campers, and everything in between, and there is always something that drives me to look for an alternative. When they come up with the perfect RV, I'll likely be dead and gone.
Do yourself a HUUUUUGE favor. Google picture search 'People Camping'. I'm going to spoil it for you. You will not see one picture of anyone INSIDE of an RV of any type. You are over thinking it. An RV is place for storage, food, sleeping and in the case of a motor coach, transportation. Your RV is NOT your adventure. Your adventure is where you are going. Start living, not shopping. Our favorite spot is Gulf Shores. I can be there in 12 hours, do I care if I'm driving my RV or pulling my condo on wheels??? Food for thought.
One more thing, I sold cars for 22 years. My beginning years I was very well trained by Toyota. (Say what you want, their training was better than any other manufacturer) I would rather have my engine way below me than right in front of me coming into where I'm sitting. That and NOBODY ever brings in a class A and says I want to trade for a class C. NEVER.
love this video!
Nice comparo Geoff. I actually like when you don't have a camera person to help you with videos. A lot of times, the sales person is hogging up the video, when I want to see the RV. I don't need to see them yapping about their product, just show me the vehicle. Great job
I completely agree. Sorry, but I didn't pull up a video to watch someone with an ego. I did it to learn something. Thanks!
Like this. Thank you
We bought a Vegas new in 2018. I always liked the Thor floor plans and storage, BUT,, the thing drove terrible (As a truck driver It was scarry driving it because it wandered all over the road) and it literally started falling apart. I can't go into all the things that were bad. There is not enough room. It was in the dealer shop about three months repairing things. After six months we couldn't stand it any more and traded it in for another brand.
I soooo understand.
Not surprised you had those issues. My main problem with bot of these w/o even looking at them further is the fact that Thor makes them, as Thor is one of the top crap-maker RV brands.
Consequently, I'd want neither of thee...but WOULD be interested in a Vegas-like Class A if it were made buy a quality makers, like Pleasure-Way, Leisure Travel Vans or other quality maker.
Just not anything from Thor.
-- BR
@@billredding2000 I agree thor is crap. microwave too low can"t see what's going on. would rather buy Canadian product like leisure travel vans. they are quality.
Great rigs! For my personal preference tho i only go for layouts with a permanent bed....having to set up a bed (even the easy ones) really disturb the space, plus you have to find storage for all your bedding and pillows when the bed is put away
What year, make and model do you own?
awesome
It's definitely beautiful but it is also THE PRICE OF A HOUSE!
Ha, not these days. I can't believe what people are selling their houses for. It's CRAZY! But yes, covid brought out the greed in just about every business. That, and I don't know where the heck the work force went but it seems like people have to pay $20 per hour for fast food workers which makes a crappy burger cost $8 and a small class A cost $100,000.
Seems you all are not a fan of Thor - Can you recommend a better brand that is similiar to this layout ? Small Class A? Thanks !
Very coo! Liked
Thanks
I considered buying a Thor Vegas...BUT.....I need a back door that allows me to move whatever...lumber, furnature, etc. I, instead, bought a Thor Tellaro that HAS that back door and plenty of storage space where I can "park" all that lumber, furnature, etc while transporting it. I WISH Thor would consider putting a back door on the Vegas so I can use the vehicle for more than just camping. On the Vegas 24.1, which DOES have a back door, all Thor would need to do is put a "hatch" on the forward side of the rear storage space, so things like lumber, kayaks, bikes etc could be passed through into the rear sleeping area. Hope they're listening!
I later found out that Thor DOES have a rear door on their 25.7 version of the Vegas.
Non è una questione di smartphone, sei tu che non sai fare un semplice video, per il resto è fantastico
BEUTIFUL CLASS A
Could you take out the dining and put more cabinets ?
You can customize anything you want after it's yours.
That dining table, on the LEFT side of the vehicle is great. You can park anywhere and enjoy the scenery. On most vehicles the dining area is on the left side of the vehicle. So all you can see is traffic passing by!
just make sure you are handy and know how to fix everything before buying a thor. Quality is not their strong point
I completely agree. It's so disappointing when you are the salesperson and the customer calls you on their first trip screaming 'It's raining inside my slide out!' However, the Vegas is sooo hard to beat because of its size. I now work for a different dealership in St. Louis that sells Coachmen products. It's a night and day difference. Don't get me wrong, they all have their problems, but not like the Vegas, ACE and Windsport.
Thor is pushing out vehicles so fast, QC is NOT their high point. They rely on the the customers to do that and bring the problems back to the dealer to fix. The RV's, once they are "trouble shot" by the customer, are great vehicles. BUT...the new owner has to put a lot of time and effort figuring out and fixing all the problems that come out of the factory. I've had two Thor RV's, a B+ and a B. I had to do a lot of work on both after purchase.
What type of work are we talking? Small leaks? Minor cosmetics and such? Or we talkin you’ll end up stranded or with black water all over the floor? To me the price range justifies SOME flaws that need to be fixed or addressed by the dealer after they’re found. But not to end up stranded and blasted with a hefty tow bill lol
Pretty cool can I afford it
no reg bed back there...
The view out of that large windshield will blow you away, and you'll never want a Class C again. Too bad it's a Thor.
ding, ding, ding. We have a winner! You are 100% right about the Thor thing.
Why?
Are Thor coach bad in general?
@@edlin1758 Yes they now have a bad reputation.
@@geod3589That's really sad.
Would be inrested in buying this
Please let me no what the total cost.out the door.
Sorry, I made this video almost a year ago. It wasn't on the lot 48 hours or so before it sold.
What’s the estimated mpg for either setup? Wondering what the difference would be
A gas motor typically gets around ten miles per gallon.
@@happycampinggeoff thanks for reply. I was wondering if this thor front end style gets at least 1mpg better than regular square class A if similar length/weigth
It will get a little better gas mileage simply due to its weight. If you put the same engine in a coach that's ten feet longer that engine has to work a LOT harder to move it down the road. Does the curvature of the windshield help? I would say a little.
Is there a difference between the Vegas and the Axis?
@@samanthaforney7126 they are one and the same, except for the front end treatment
Me n my wives like this😊 how much.
I noticed there is a huge crack at the bottom of the refrigerator cabinet close to the sofa. Best view at 8:31.
It's quite common on Thor motor coaches. We find all kind of broken stuff, misaligned stuff and things that need adjustments before we sell them. It all gets fixed before the unit is delivered. Do you own a motor coach?
@@happycampinggeoff
Negative. Just imagining me and my 2 kitties getting away from it all when the zombie apocalypse happens.
😸👍🧟
@@larrydickman6016 The floor is not buckling. That is a piece of plastic attached to the couch to sweep the floor so things don't go under and into the slide out area.
@@happycampinggeoff
I realized that after I posted. Thought that bit was removed when I edited.
You can get the same layout in a Thor class C for a $20000 less .
I have been selling campers for quite a while. NOBOBY goes from a class A to a class C. They always go from a class C to a class A. You aren't comparing an apple to an apple.
@@happycampinggeoffWe went from A to C and I know others who have done the same. Heck we once went from diesel pusher to truck camper! We've had 7 RVs. Every type has strengths and weaknesses. It depends on what you need and value.
How much does it cost?
I sold this one quite a while ago.
But the class c got outside📺, the class a doesnt 🤨
This specific class A doesn't have an outside TV, just like many class C's don't have an outside TV's
Please give all prices
Prices on a video that's going on two years old have nothing to do with prices today. If you want current pricing your best bet is to go to rvtrader.com and look them up. Then you can comparison shop. That same coach is probably $30,000 to $40,000 more since covid.
Isn't there a 24.1 Class A as well ?
There was, I’m not sure if they still make that model
Vegas is properly named because you are literally taking your life in your hands driving these death traps Thor makes!!!
C'mon, it's not a death trap. It's stapled together Thor crap! No need to be so harsh on them, lol.
@@happycampinggeoff hahahahaha
How is it possible to have only 1 enter/exit?
That's pretty much every single class A made with in the last 15 years. They will have an emergency window exit typically located in the bedroom.
Availible in a diesel?
It is not available in a diesel.
What is the price
I made this video pre covid. I don’t sell that model anymore. Back then, around $90,000
Cam you put a thicker mattrress in Murphy bed
I doubt you could due to the fold in the mattress when it's stored. When it's folded it uses all of the space between the wall and the bed support when folded up.
Goofy decals. Do rich people really like them? Kinda cheap accoutrements as well. I’ll take one.
I don't think anybody likes them. It's a low pricing point coach. It's just what you get.
hold the camera more still
Hey Lou, show me one of your videos, than you can comment on mine.
Bathroom always to small is thing I hate if they just made a few Adjustments
Bigger bathroom, bigger coach. Bigger bed, bigger coach. Bigger kitchen, bigger coach. See where I'm going with this? If you make something bigger you either have to make something else smaller or make the coach longer.
@happycampinggeoff true but bed and toilet always main 2
The biggest difference I can see is the class A doesn't have a permanent bed therefore you have to tear your rig apart every time you need a bed not convenient so I don't see how the two actually compare at all you're comparing an apple and an orange find a little Class A with a permanent bed and compare those two and then see what the difference is
Really? 'Tear your rig apart'. I moved two cushions and released a pin one handed while making a video, lol. You could leave the bed down the whole time. You don't have to put it up. I guess then you would complain that there is no couch. Try to see the good in things, life is better.
@Natural Witch, you don't seem to know that RV manufacturers always have more than one model to choose from with different configurations. Thor makes a 24.1 with a permanent king size bed, a bath that expands into a changing room, and the same non-drop-down-to-get-to-front seat that Geoff was explaining to you. You always have some form of compromise in RV living.
I have a 24.1 and I bought it for exactly the reason Geoff showed and explained to the uninformed. You don't know what you don't know, well, now you know.
I have this model and it takes me about 20 seconds to take the bed down, mine is already made and ready to use as soon as I take it down. Didn't like the 24.1 because of the smaller shower and less kitchen counter space. Love the layout and storage of mine!
@@RichSound Nice!
I really like the Vegas and Axis. They should put a lock on the potable water fill.
Not ducted
I was interested but with the cheesy sells pitch and person likes /dislikes - could not get through the video - furthermore he convinced me not to bother
Um, ya, sure. lol!!!
I don’t like Murphy bed
And that is why they make a million different floor plans, lol.
Not really a fan of Murphy beds have to remove all the bedding to fold them up. Rather have a slide out with the bed.
Or, you don't have to make your bed in the morning. Just fold it all up and be done with it. Coffee anyone?
No bedroom, overpriced
It sold for our asking price in less than 48 hours. But thank you for your input, lol.
Funny, you say 18 inches longer than a class C, now tell me the difference in price. Plus I hate to have to set up my bed at night. I just want to get in it not set it up.
The price was very close at the time and it is pretty close in price now. Surely you are capable of going to rvtrader and checking for yourself, right? And I'm sorry that they put in a murphy bed for more space when you aren't sleeping and it bothers you. Maybe, just maybe this one isn't for you. Just curious, are you one of those angry people who goes online looking for a keyboard fight? If so, kinda pathetic.
Bad commentary and wrong lens …?tunnel vision
Really? Please send me a link to your videos. I would LOVE to see what a professional you are. Waiting???
Takes too long with the video...to much talking...
Please, post a link to one of your expert videos below in this comment. I would like to see a video you made since you think you know what is best. Crickets!
Class C is the best seller overall !! Rv dealers will say the same thing . When it comes to counter tops the length of the Rv is where you'll get abundance amount of space counter and slide outs which this type of model doesn't have. This individual is giving a sales pitch to move these STAY AWAY FROM THIS TYPE OF RV
So, for all of the years I have been selling RV's and the fact that NOBODY brings in a class A and says, 'I want to trade this for a class C' isn't important information??? People always go from a class C to a class A. And after the fact they say, I wish I would have done this sooner. And yes, there are more class c's sold. Why? Because they cost less than a class A. I love the comments when they come in at 2:00am, lol!
Doesn't matter what time a comment comes in the fact is the fact and I will continue to comment and I'll have friends comment !! All negative comments will surely not help you on what sales you attempt to make if you catch my drift ASSHOLE
Facts??? I stated facts. You stated bullshit! You are a simple-minded midnight keyboard warrior. Nothing more, nothing less. @@Christopherengle1789