Classic Game Room - SEGA SC-3000 computer review
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Classic Game Room reviews the Sega SC-3000 computer from Sega released in 1983, a personal computer version of the Sega SG-1000 that works with some Sega computer accessories like a printer, tape player and floppy disk drive! - Zábava
These were surprisingly popular in New Zealand of all countries. Heck my uncle programmed a game for it which got sold and distributed by grandstand New Zealand (the game was called bit byte)
+Cyborg KiWi ...and Australia. I was part of a local Sega Users group in Sydney. It was distributed here by John Sands and was considered one of the stronger markets for the machine. I can't recall Bit Byte. I may have come across it though but I remember Grandstand.
Any video that highlights H.E.R.O. automatically gets a Thumbs Up from me!
love your videos
+MetalJesusRocks Man i love your videos!
*cough cough* do a co op video! *cough*
MetalJesusRocks me too!
I thought the Atari 2600 original is the best for you.
I can't believe that was 7 years ago already. I never have found the Sega Printer we had talked about doing a follow-up for. Hope whatever path life took you had worked. CGR may not be active but EDF members never die!
Ah! But this WASN'T the last Sega computer! The Sega Teradrive! It's an IBM compatible with a Mega Drive cart slot on the front.
It can play Truxton, which is all that matters.
+The Obsolete Geek I think he means actually manufactured by Sega itself. The SC-3000 was actually manufactured by Sega, the Teradrive was not. That was IBM.
And if we're counting the Teradrive, then that wasn't even the last PC with Sega on the front. There was also the Mega PC made by Amstrad that also had Sega parts inside, and it came out after the Teradrive. Granted, it was nowhere near as cool as the already not-that-cool Megadrive was.
+scythedd7 I was going to thumbs-up this comment for excellent information, until you said the Mega Drive was "not that cool." C'mon, man. Nothing is cooler than the Genesis and Mega Drive.
+scythedd7 The Teradrive may have been manufactured by IBM, but it was a Sega branded computer, with the exception of the model number label on the back that references "IBM technology". The computer was marketed by Sega, and all supporting paperwork and packaging was exclusively Sega branded. The Amstrad Mega PC was clearly sold and marketed by Amstrad.
+The Obsolete Geek Yeah I had a Teradrive. Wished that I never sold that thing as it was a machine of oddities. Playing Phantasy Star 2, switching over to PC mode to make notes on the game on the fly and then switching back to continue. Ah the memories...
Europe also had the Mega PC. Though the SC3000 was the only real attempt to make a computerized version of their consoles, which is odd, given hybrid devices like Mega PC and the Sega Saturn card for the PC. Sega never lost interest in that market as a hardware maker.
I have one of these and love it. With the Card Catcher, in addition, there really is a great selection of games for the system. A lot of which are rare ports, like Exerion, Bank Panic and Flicky or unique versions of popular titles such as Congo Bongo and H.E.R.O.. It's a shame that it was never released over here in the US.
I wish I still had the games I developed for it on tape.
It's Friday night here in the UK great time to watch a new CGR video 😎
Fun fact: Girl's Garden (the one that played Mendelssohn's march) is the first game by Yuji Naka, one of the creators of Sonic the Hedgehog.
For 1983 the graphics are GREAT! (and sound too)
The framerate looked amazing, and the control looked fluid as hell! Was very surprised... MUST SEEK OUT AND PURCHASE!
Fun little tidbit:
Girl's Garden was developed by Yuji Naka, who later helped create and Develop Sonic the Hedgehog.
It's only since you redid the intro that I've been able to understand what on earth it says. Thank you!
Big thumbs up for the SEGA Retro shout out! It's our wiki! Great resource for obscure stuff like this.
Sc-3000h was released in Australia & New Zealand
I just got one for $100
Lucky s.o.b!
Came here because of Isekai Ojisan.
Stays because now i understands his love for Sega. Subscribed.
Awsome review! You are definitely right about the music. It rocks!
I picked one of these up in a bundle of random consoles. Never heard of it before. Came with several boxed games. Plugged a power brick into it and it works perfect!
I love it when Mark shows consoles I had no clue about. :)
Its BASIC was really good. One mile ahead compared to competitors at the time. I used to develop my own games. It featured real 16 colors sprites and pixel perfect collision. Also the drawing API wasn't bad at all. I was just in love of it. It pushed me into game developement only 11 years old. It also featured a 4 channel sound chip, I used to convert classical scores into milliseconds/hz code.
as usual great video dude, and don't forget the computer which they produced in corporation with AMSTRAD the Amstrad Mega PC
So glad to see someone give such a positive review of my childhood computer. :) - especially the nice things you said about the music in H.E.R.O.
Incidentally, if you break all the lights in a level (except for the first 2-3 levels) you will get the girl at the end, AND an extra life.
awesome review mark
Another great video wish I could get old gems like these
I love that the keyboard has a Carriage Return button instead of a regular Enter key. I only wish there had been a separate Line Feed button as well.
Was, literally, the first thing I noticed!
That thing sure has some amazing sound quality!
That sound is incredible!
Congratulations!!! I want too this console! I will do my best!
A home computer I never heard of, that's rare. Thanks for sharing.
happy to see the map again :)
*NEW JERSEY* never gets old
I get it
Several computers and consoles back then used the same exact chip combo consisting of a Z80 CPU, a TMS9918 video chip and some sort of generic 3channel square wave+noise chip because was the best cost/benefit possible.
Back then, you could choose between DRAM memory or SRAM memory, and SRAM was a lot more expensive because it was made out of pure transistor logic, so each bit needed like 8 transistors to represent it.
DRAM on other hand took basically the space of one transistor to store a whole bit, but it did it by having this microscopic capacitor(think on a battery that can be charged and discharged REAL quickly), thus was much cheaper per KB, but those capacitors did leaked their power over time, so the hardware needed to constantly "refresh" the memory by reading it to refill the caps, which required a lot of extra circuitry on the computer/console which added more chips and layout complexity to the system.
But both the Z80 and the TMS9918 had DRAM refreshing capabilities built in, which allowed you to use the cheaper DRAM chips without all the extra cost of the intel branded chips or 74xx glue logic mess.
Man, that little computer is all kinds of awesomeness!
My very first games system! I bought mine as a young brat in 1986 with pocket money that I had earnt from jobs like mowing lawns, selling lollies door to door and this machine blew my mind. I knew that it was graphically limited but the games were so cool and playable. I then skipped a generation and moved to Sega Mega Drive. Man I miss THIS Sega.
You don't know how hard I popped when you mentioned Typing of the Dead...one of my all time favs
Also, great review, this is so cool
Awesome stuff!
One of these (and the fact that it had Star Jacker and Congo Bongo plugged into it) almost made me switch from getting a Spectravideo SV-318. I think it was a discount by my boss at the time that made the final decision for me (and the SV-318 had an inbuilt red joystick - who could say no :)). Plus Spectravideo basic was better - ah well.
Hardly any cartridges came out in Australia other than the original release titles (about ten of them).
It has been fun slowly collecting the SG-1000/SC-3000 library, so many great games.
The SC-3000 has 16k of normal Ram, 16k of VRam, the SC-3000H has 64k of normal Ram, 16k of VRam and all the SG-1000 models have 2k of normal Ram and 16k of Ram.
I am making it my goal in life to back port Truxton to the SG-1000/MSX/Coleco - you heard it here first :)
i wanna buy & play your Truxton Coleco cart right to the end boss stage using RED
Interesting who we have a whole sub culture for old games and console collectors who when we have consoles and system now that are 100x better than in the 80's and 90's. I think it so cool and showcases that we don't need fancy tricks and effects to wow us over, just guy nostalgia of the" good old days."
Roof ninjas are tough. Really cool computer, would love to find one.
The SG1000 and SG3000 used a Texas Instruments TMS9928A This is the same chip used in the Colecovision and MSX (early MSX models used a slightly less capable version of this chip).
Thanks! yes now i rembner
Good stuff, man - most interesting. Thx.
You always bring us the most cool stuff. PC and gaming without the idiotic, addictive internet. I should have just stuck to playing consoles and older pcs. Thanks Lord Karnage for this great video.
I want one! I have nowhere to put one of these, but I want one!!
Keep Up the great work Mark #CGR4LIFE
Dat computer ( ͡o ͜ʖ ͡o)
I need that version of H.E.R.O. -- and ALL that music -- in my life.
These games look great for '83!
Man, I picked up one of these in a box of random consoles. Had no idea what it was! Came with five or six boxed carts too.
There was an Amstrad computer with a built in SEGA Mega Drive in Europe, known as the Amstrad Mega PC, and in Japan there was the SEGA TeraDrive made by IBM, both were basically IBM compatible 386(Amstrad), and 286(IBM) computers. So not the last computer from SEGA, but yes SC-3000 was the last one fully designed, and built fully by SEGA itself with no outside help. The prices for either of those machines are crazy expensive as well because they flopped big time, because it was still cheaper, and easier to just go get an IBM clone PC of the 286SX and 386 variety, and a stand alone SEGA Mega Drive.
krazy - i didnt know Ninja Princess was on the SC-1000. amazing. its a superb game
wow cool, so it plays SG-1000 games, I never heard of this system before cool
Hardware wise it's very similar to the Coleco Adam.
Which is so much easier to hook up and "developing" for the Coleco Adam, right?
Never heard of this PC before. Must've been before my time.
I had no idea this even existed! Seeing the Orguss game cart made me instantly want to see it... but, dear oh dear does it ever look ugly.
This is pretty awesome. I wonder if there are any exclusives for it
+Sanny Goosave It's simply the home computer version of the SG-1000; all games run on both. I think there's a BASIC cartridge that requires the keyboard though.
the funny thing is i looked at these on ebay last night after another review of one of these
Ninja Princess is by far my favorite SG-1000 game
WOW! I want a SEGA SC-3000!
Mark, what do you use for your sound hook ups? It's very apparent you're not using that you're not using the tv output! Sounds awesome
Same sound chip was also used in Sega Mega Drive/Genesis
You are drunk lol is the same as some MSX models and Master System
There was also the Dreamcast Development Kit which kind of looks like a computer but plays like a Dreamcast. It is compatible with either a controller or keyboard, it has a VGA port on the back as well as a composite port and finally the internet browser runs under Windows CE. Please do a review on the Dreamcast Development Kit if U happen to find one as well as Linux on PS2 if U find that as well.
I want one !
...But does it have BLAST PROCESSING built into it?
Hahaha SEGA does what NINTEN DON'T.
+Manek Millano Nintendo has done lots of things, from Taxis to brothels (love hotels)
It doesn't have blast processing but it is still faster than the NES
Isn't there a keyboard add-on for the SG-1000 and Mark III that gives them SC-3000 functionality?
It seems to resemble a Timex-Sinclair 2068, which I used to write games for. Same Z80 processor. Better graphics. Less memory.
I NEED A SEGA SC-3000 FOR MY COLLECTION!!
I would've liked to see you stumble about in the non-gaming features, which I'm sure are in Japanese. The way the keys are labeled reminds me of Texas Instruments.
yeah thats true re Ti 99 4/A similarities which extended to software screen layouts & typefaces THOUGH these similarities were also akin to many MSX title
Nice review,for those who did not know Girls Garden was Yuji naka´s of Sonic fame first game,kawaii^^
SEGA was always ahead of the game.
Hmm…Atari did release their 400 & 800 computers in 1979!
Achieving world piece thru SEGA.
The coolest thing you can do with a Sega SC3000 is plug an aux cord into the system from your PC, and used the BASIC cartridge to "Listen" to a ROM...... Sega Survivors has the dumps of several games.....
Sega knows you a fan, they even named a console after you 👍
I had one-for a while. Long story.
Keep talking.
I wonder, now that CGR has steady revenue thanks to fan funding if there is any chance of Undertow coming back?
i wondered about that too but now hes doing his manthology stuff. so i guess no
He’s got a net worth of around 17 million dollars so there isn’t a financial reason not to.
@@mayamanign Well Yeah but his father was a millionaire so thats probably where most of that comes from
Very good Sega pc
Who would dislike CGR? Come on bro!
A sega PC, did not know that existed
This however is a spectacular version of Hero!
..... (looks at camera)
This is a great version of Hero.
- Mark 3
Ya that was interesting.
+Super Dale James (bros) It does look & sound pretty great.
WANT!! ☺
That version of hero looks better than the one on Atari!
I saw a retro gen adapter on your snes
+Tae Wook Nam And take a closer look at the game plugged into it and thus the SNES.
+Glaw Inc truxton!!
I want one now just for the audio output o_o It sounds gorgeous. Also, what is the game being played at 6:10 ?
+jeremysart That is Ninja Princess. Of fame only due to being Yuji Naka's first game.
Thanks!
is the audio output MIDI or PCM?
Mark, I saw one of your videos at Watchmojo. Do they use your videos with permission?
It would have been competing against the Commodore 64, the ZX Spectrum, BBC Micro and the Apple II..
+MK3424 And the Atari 400/800/1200XL/600XL/800XL, which were really good machines - better than some of the machines you mention, and the spiritual ancestor of the Amiga line, they also introduced a lot of the technical concepts that we take for granted, and their expansion system was basically the ancestor of USB.
he's talking about the japan home computer market, not europe's
Zee X Spectrum is eurotrash garbage
Wasn't MSX about the right time?
This was a bit earlier than BBC. Apple II had a much higher price. It's natural competitors where the Spectrum 16k and the Commodore 64, but both where much more expensive. I bought a SC-3000 in Rome in late 1982.
That thing is so Lando. And the 3000H is even sweeter.
Technically a dreamcast could also act as a computer it’s compatible with windows CE it has some games that were originally pc exclusives you could get a webcam for the Dreamcast (only in japan) and you could get a dreamcast keyboard and mouse and not to mention a web browser
Wasn't there a sega mega drive computer?
someone needs to make ports of both metal gear, and metal gear 2 that run on this
I found 3 new old stock in a store last year, 1 km from my house.
It’s actually pretty interesting that sega did made a computer version of their SG1000 system, it makes me wish that nintendo just released their avs system (a computerized famicom ) alongside the nes in the us just in case if the nes didn’t cetch on and to also target business audiences with it,but sadly they didn’t☹️☹️but the game HERO for the sc3000 really destroy the atari 2600 version of it with waay better graphics.
do you use the keyboard?
3:26 Opel Spaceship? ^^
can't wait for the review of the steering wheel that works with this and works with the megadrive no I'm not joking it actually exist
Yeah, kinda cool I also want to see the Paint board think working of this.
Technically all consoles are computers anyway. They're just running their own OS and, at the time, could only execute programs through Discs and cartridges. It's like the autorun feature on your PC when you insert a CD, just take away everything else and you have a console.
i have to admit. That computer sounds excellent, Most computers of the same era sounded like crap but this one... is late 80's sound quality
some one plz tell me the song during the shout outs
Does it sound better than the Commodore 64?
2:45 Yeah, right.
Roof ninja had same sound as it he great (wonder boy)
Actually there's also a Tera Drive, a PC that plays Japanese Sega Mega Drive games...THAT PLAYS TRUXTON!
Sadly, it wasn't as popular.
The SC-3000 looks pretty cool! :)
The SC-3000 looks a lot like the ZX Spectrum
It's graphic and sound chip was much better. They only shared the soft rubber keys :D
WOW!!!! Killer CPU yo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!