Super reliable forehand loop technique
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- čas přidán 7. 02. 2023
- In this video, you will learn the technique for a super reliable forehand loop technique vs a backspin ball.
This shot can be easy to mess up. Many players put the ball into the net. Others over hit and miss the table completely.
But with the technique shown in this video, you can make your forehand topspin shots every time.
The tips in the video come from Emma Harradine. Emma is a Level 3 coach. She has won English national titles in the over 40s and over 50s women's category. You can find out more about Emma and her coaching services on her website. www.emmattcoach.co.uk/
This video was made in partnership with Table Tennis England www.tabletennisengland.co.uk/
In the video, Emma is using this equipment:
Blade: JOOLA Fever
Rubber (both forehand and backhand): JOOLA Dynaryz ACC bribartt.co.uk/product/joola-...
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At 2:04 and 4:43 Emma claims the ball needs to be hit at the top of the bounce but that’s actually not what she is doing when executing the stroke. Look at 5:03 for instance. She clearly lets the ball drop a bit (like pretty much most players do when looping) and then hits it. There is not a huge difference but it’s clearly not the top of the bounce. Still great video though. Learned a lot! Thanks 👍
When she says 'at the top of the bounce' she clearly means NEAR the top... as opposed to letting the ball drop down or waaaaaayyy down.
This is the best demo of forehand loop. Here we call it the 3rd ball attack. Thank you for sharing. 😊
Emma’s a superstar! Glad to see her on here! Crazy thing is her backhand is better than her forehand as well 🤯😂
I wouldn’t stand a chance against her forehand either, let alone her backhand spins.
Don’t reveal my secret weapon Joe! 😂
Her backhand technique is superb. I will have a video on this in the summer.
Joe plays in the same local league as Emma and she does very well! It's one of the strongest in the whole country, i.e. she's competitive with some really good male players.
Its a good solid technique, good demonstration of the forehand topspin loop :)
Amazing content, Tom and Emma! Always so informative and immediately helpful
Best channel for TT. I m very much looking foward to new videos with Emma. Thank you a lot, Tom.
As always in your class, clear-cut show of techniques. Thank you, Tom!
Emma seems like a amazing coach. I have seen many coaching videos but none have covered all these things in one video.
Emma has a very nice, effective and economical technique. I always wanted to achieve that.
Great video. I could benefit from I bit less backswing and follow through so I’m more prepared for the next shot. Impressed by Emma’s shot anticipation and efficient technique. Look forward to more videos.
Thanks Tom and Emma.Simply Excellent and Great Coaching Lesson. Definitely intend to video my own FH loop stroke and compare . As a starter I can certainly identify from this that my footwork does not allow the same rotation.
An excellent little lesson there, thank you both. Very clear and uncluttered.
Wow really awesome video. Really well explained, I am French and not bilingual, but all is really clear, nice job Tom !
Uno de mis videos favoritos del canal. Hope to see her again
Emma's footwork is marvellous. Minimal and efficient.
Truly one of the best videos for beginners showing everything clearly and explaining it well and short. Thank you very much.
not only for beginners but also for intermediate and advanced players. I tend to play very hard from the first ball. I benefit from this if I try to spin without generating huge amount of speed. Becase hard topspin easy to be blocked, and causes alot trouble if opponent can block.
This is some great clean straightforward technical instruction. I wanted to point out one key thing she does that tennis players try to do as well, and it's difficult yet amazingly simple. Watch any of her loops in slow motion. Where are her eyes and head 'at contact'? On the ball. This stabilizes the body and makes the force going itno the ball more solid, and it dramatically helps your timing. Focusing on apex of the ball, and seeing the contact at impact are GOLD.
Absolutely true and I tend to forget mostly in match situation. I concentrate on 'where' should go the ball so I do not see the ball at contact which leads to error, like I do not see/control the bat angle, the angle of the swing and sometimes even missing the ball.
@@TodayIsABrandNewDay And you are absolutely right as well. The match starts and all these tips and things we are trying to work on seem to vanish. But that's how it works. You have to practice and put in the time for the muscle memory. You have to focus intently during a hitting session on that one or two things you want to improve on, like watching ball at contact and contact at the apex. That's takes concentration and it is not easy. But that's the best way to improve.
That's whassup!!! Another Great lesson!!! Emma's forehand loop is quite perfect and that's a very effective weapon in a real match. Thanks over and over Mr. Tom!
great,yes please more from Emma!
Thanks Tom. It was a very good presentation. The key take away is that the loop has to be consistent and be considered as a setup shot. Once we apply this mindset I believe automatically many issues of being out of position and over rotation of the body can be solved for many players including myself. I also liked how the fifth ball was discussed. I liked the thought process on that part very much. Please can you start creating some playlists when you do a session with an individual player? That will help folks who want to view all lessons from a particular player. Thank you once again.
It didn’t occur to me until you mentioned the 5th shot set up. Don’t know how I missed it. I thought initially it was random but there seems nothing random about Emma’s gameplay. I am super impressed how effective her tip is.
Yes it's very deliberate. Emma wants to engage in a topspin rally, so she spins the first ball, which will be returned with a block or counter-attack and then she is ready to attack again herself. It's a great skill to develop.
Yes, I will do this. I am filming with a few female coaches this year, so I will set up separate playlists for each coach.
Nice work and very useful thanks
Really insightful
Great video - lots of great tips there and I liked the importance given to consistency over power - something I often tell juniors. One thing to bear in mind is that after you've looped, you're in a top spin rally unless the opponent chops - if they block your topspin, it will still come back with some topspin so you can start driving and flat hitting like Emma did. Thanks Emma, Thanks Tom.
Great video Tom.
hi Tom, this video was fantastic! thanks! would also love a video on "How to be ready faster". Stuff like anticipation vs reaction, how to improve reaction times, position relative to the table vs speed of reactions, timing points (eg, exactly when to move feet, when to prepare swing, how to make this more consistent). drills on improving reaction, reading opponent's body and bat to improve reaction time. this would be a great and important video.
She’s amazing 🙌🏻
Thanks, Tom. The forehand loop technique is very important in table tennis because it is a powerful and aggressive shot that can put pressure on your opponent and win points. The forehand loop involves hitting the ball with a looping motion using your dominant hand, creating a lot of topspin and speed on the ball. The forehand loop can be used to attack different types of balls, such as backspin, topspin, or no-spin, and can be played from different distances, such as close to the table or far from the table.
Wow. Emma's forehand is like a well oiled machine. With those knee pads and consistency I'm wondering if shes AI
Reminds me of Timo Boll slow motion footage. Emma is really good!
I'm also using JOOLA Dynaryz ACC rubber. I think it's really good.
This video should help me a lot to higher up quality on the FH, so simple and yet ingenious.
its definitely nice to have a very save loop and its very powerful in the lower classes but higher u need to put on good quality too aka not too high and some good speed as well since really good players will counter topspin that at some point
Having a 'safe' forehand topspin, doesn't mean it lacks quality. Emma's topspin is very consistent, but it does have plenty of spin and she places the ball well. Plus she is very good in topspin rallies, so she really doesn't mind if her first topspin is returned (even attacked), as she is setting up the type of rally she prefers and has a good chance of winning.
@@TomLodziak this is a very good point of view
Hi Tom I request you to post a video on how to recover after a push and be ready for the topspin block.after i push the ball and the topspin comes in I'm clueless where to move etc kindly suggest what I need to do
A fantastic demonstration Emma 👍do you have your own youtube channel
Not yet, but who know knows, maybe one day! I've made a few more videos with Emma, so you'll be seeing more of her on my channel over the next year.
A lot of players (myself included) underestimate the importance of consistency over power in this shot.
Great tutorial. Will try to implement in my training. What is that brace on Emma's knee? I suffer from ligament injuries so I am just curious.
It is an Ossur unloader brace for osteoarthritis
Some great tips for consistency, I do tend to think better players will reply with a top spin with such a slow spin up though
Possibly. But it has obviously worked for Emma who has reached the top of the rankings for her age group. And if you are clever with your placement (avoid hitting zones), then it won't be easy for your opponent to counter with a strong attack. And if you happen to like fast topspin rallies, maybe it doesn't matter if your opponent counter-attacks, as you have the sort of rally you want.
@@TomLodziak question is, what shall we do if Topspin rallies are not what we are looking for?
I‘ve just re-entered the game after 15 years. Still have that consistent FH-Loop on Backspin. Youngsters are impressed, but nowadays more of my loops end in a counter attack, when placement is ideal I stand a chance at my third one. But if not I feel like predators game. Yup I need to practise FH Topspin on Topspin but I also need another option.
@@maddean3893 You have a couple of choices (1) you try a more aggressive topspin against backspin, and try to win the point from one shot (2) you push instead and play a more defensive game.
little tip for Tom: after her follow up, tap it with a tiny bit of side spin, this way completely ignoring the varied amount of top spin and at the same time controlling the placement and potentially stopping her from a further attack. have fun :-)
My loop against backspin is consistent but recently I play an opponent with long pips on the backhand and the spin is very weak. How do you adjust to loop nospin balls?
what blade does she play? What kind of rubbers?
The FH loop is a great opening shot, but if its not hit with enough spin or it lands short you are opening yourself to a strong return. Quality of spin is everything and that takes time to get consistentl. Thoughts?
Agreed. Ideally you need good spin, good speed, good depth. I shot lacking these will be easier to return. It does take time to get consistent. Lots of repetition needed. But an essential shot to develop.
Super oke
Hi Emma and Tom, thanks for this video. Emma, could you please give me the reference of your knee exo skeleton device? Thanks in advance, Marc
it is an Ossur unloader brace for osteoarthritis
as a person with a dodgy right knee, I am curious about what kind of knee support Emma is using. I may want to buy one like it.
Emma is using an Ossur unloader brace
that thing she is wearing can support her knee right? do you know the link to the product? I gotta buy 2 for my grandma
It is an Ossur unloader brace
I remember playing with Danny Seamiller - I got 4 points!
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Please, please tell us more about Emma`s bat as well
Emma has a JOOLA Fever blade (discontinued) and JOOLA Dynaryz ACC rubbers on both FH and BH bribartt.co.uk/product/joola-dynaryz-acc-table-tennis-rubber/?ref=8204
"clean and efficient" at 0:54 . Realistically, perfection isn't a condition in which there's nothing else can be added on, but a condition in which there's nothing else to be taken away. In this case, the technique is "clean and efficient" no unnecessary movement, all movement are for the sake for one purpose and one purpose only. Only continuous training and repetition can lead to such high level coordination and precision
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I am almost doing the same (of course on a much lower level) and hardly hit the Net against downspin BUT sometimes my topspin goes rather high and is comparedly slow ...
Weak players try to block and usually don't get the Ball back onto the table, stronger players often use the chance to attack back super fast.
I was told this is pretty much the "old" way of playing topspin which changed in the last couple of years especially with the Chinese doing the super hard topspins that look more like a smash than an actuall topspin.
I think you have to develop a forehand topspin which works for your game and playing level. There are different ways of doing it, but no definite right or wrong way.
The benefit of Emma's topspin is that it is very consistent. She has a reliable shot she can use to initiate an attack. She gets plenty of spin and actually her topspin doesn't go that high over the net, so it's not that easy to return with a powerful counter-attack. It obviously works very well for Emma, as she is at the top of the rankings for her age group. But of course if the topspin is too slow or high or lacking in spin, then it can easily be attacked by better players.
The alternative is to develop a more powerful forehand topspin, with a more horizontal swing. This will be harder to return, but also a lot harder to execute consistently.
Which is best? It depends what level you are playing at (or what level you aspire to play at). Emma's forehand topspin will work for most players at the amateur level. If you want to be a pro player, then you'll probably need something more aggressive.
I need you to send Emma to North Carolina. I’ve got an immediate opening for “personal coach”.
what is her racket setup? things will really depend on bounciness, and tackiness, and throw angle.
Joola Fever blade. Joola Dynaryz ACC max thickness on both sides
thanks for reply. I am curious, what's the reason for the same rubber on both sides? Also does this setup have a more direct throw, yet a bit flexible? What are your main elements(loop, block? etc.)/why this kind of setup?
What if the ball has no spin, will it work?
If the ball has no spin, then the stroke will need to go forwards more and the bat angle a little more closed.
What rubbers does Emma have?
Joola Dynaryz ACC max thickness
I never find these working. I’m only intermediate or low intermediate player but what works for me is not these positions or how you spin. Although, I do follow it and that might contribute to my hits. But the difference between success or fail forehand for me is where the ball is when you make contact with it. I always made contact with it too early. Now I made a conscious thinking during play to make sure I only contact the ball when it reached the right side of my body (or right in front of your face when you’re twisting your body like in the vid) and it’s very difficult to mess up against people my level.
Perfeito! primeiro golpe sendo bem feito ela voltará mais fácil pra espancar a bola e agora finalizar o ponto.👍👊🇧🇷👏🏓
Bro it is faul if our racket touch to the table while playing??
No, this is not a foul. If your non-playing hand touches the table it is a foul. But if your bat or playing hand touches the table, it is ok.
That start
Very good strokes by Emma. But while blocking..why r u going that much back? Would like to see more spectacular shots from her.
Can you spin Tom?
Yeah, sure. Maybe once per year I'll play a decent topspin shot! Ha!
Tom and super Jeri
Emma: "Who says woman can't spin?"
Me: Uh, no one ever said that. Like wtf?
But seriously though, like I've never ever had anyone bring that up. It's just not a thing in table tennis. Heck we have mixed doubles for pete's sake.
I've heard this before. Maybe it's an older coaching philosophy in the UK. But there was definitely this idea that women players should 'hit' rather than 'spin'. I was always thought it was very strange. Of course women can spin! Thankfully modern coaching is very different.
@@TomLodziakLate reply, I know. But to your previous point.....whomever said something as ridiculous as that probably goes as far back in the early days where rubber was first being introduced to the game. Probably the 1940's or something.
It's just not a thing today and as far as me and any one of my mates in our club can remember.
You should be attacking these slower loops 😉
Many amature players try to copy the technique of the Pro. That's why the forget where their league belongs to. They often tend to hit as hard as they can with their FH Topspin. I personally made this mistake.
how much of this is technique vs the rubber? obviously...technique is important no matter what rubber you use...but if you use a sticky/tacky chinese style rubber, perhaps this loop against backspin is even easier and more consistent?
On a Cornilleau table?... Are you serious?... 🙂
I must disagree with you on this idea of not giving too much importance to your first topspin. This is only valid with weak players who choose not to attack your slow topspin but if you get a player who likes to counter attack and his mind is setup to counter attack, then giving him a slow topspin equals losing the point because he has time to attact your ball.
I don't think we're saying you should do a weak and slow forehand topspin. You still want to get good quality spin on the shot. Emma generates plenty of spin and the ball stays low-ish over the net. It's just that it doesn't have to be a winner. If you get good quality spin and place the ball well, then it is not so easy for your opponent to counter-attack. And if you like fast topspin rallies, it doesn't matter if your opponent can return your first topspin, as you have setup the type of rally that you have a good chance of winning.
@@TomLodziak Emma's attack looks weak to me
@@isithardtobevegan53 why is every vegan ive ever met invariably always looking for something to argue about? Like they almost need negative interactions with people . Every single time.
@@idig63 well, I am not necessarily trying to argue with people but in this case I disagree with what is being presented in this video and I said my honest opinion about it. I generally don't post many comments online
quit being so cheap and buy some curtains for that window ;) good video otherwise
Ha! It's actually a mirror which I cover up in filming with my expertly cut-out piece of fabric attached with some drawing pins. No expense spared.