Electric SUV Comparison: Tesla Model Y vs. Ford Mustang Mach-E vs. VW ID.4 | Pricing, Range & More
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2024
- With the rise in popularity of electric vehicles, it's safe to say that 2021 is the year of the EV. But with so many manufacturers jumping into the EV game, it's getting harder to know which EV is the best choice for your lifestyle. In this video, Carlos Lago from Edmunds runs down a trio of top-rated electric SUVs: the Tesla Model Y, the Ford Mustang Mach-E and the Volkswagen ID.4. Carlos runs down the pros and cons of each EV SUV, comparing their cabins, details and driving manners in this electric SUV comparison test.
We named the 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E the Edmunds Top Rated Luxury SUV for a reason. With an engaging driving experience, functional interior and over-the-air software updates, the Mach-E drives and looks like a car of the future. The Mach-E gets between 211 and 305 miles of range, depending on configuration, and its steering and handling are some of the best in its class. Inside, the large vertical touchscreen looks good and responds great, and its menus are easy to use.
Positioned as a small SUV, the VW ID.4 features impressive real-world range. The ID.4 has an official range of 250 miles, but our tests have regularly exceeded that range number. Inside the ID.4, the cabin is spacious and easy to see out of when driving. The technology features, including wireless smartphone integration, are solid for the segment, but the touchscreen feels a little small and not as responsive as the ones in the Mach-E and Model Y.
The Tesla Model Y is easily the most recognizable EV in this comparison. The Model Y is stylish on the outside and offers cutting-edge technology inside. Quick acceleration and excellent steering and handling are the highlights of the Model Y's driving experience. The EPA-rated range is likewise impressive, but it was much more difficult to reach during normal driving in our testing. The Model Y interior features a simple layout that's light on buttons or switches. A large touchscreen controls just about everything in the Model Y, and the over-the-air updates that can add features and system optimizations are one of the greatest innovations from Tesla.
All three of these electric SUVs offer their own set of features that are sure to please shoppers. The Mustang Mach-E has a great look, a functional interior and a fun driving experience. The VW ID.4 offers great value for the price. The Tesla Model Y is the popular choice with all the technology features and sports car-like acceleration. We have our favorite, but the choice is yours. This is the electric SUV comparison of the Tesla Model Y vs. Ford Mustang Mach-E vs. Volkswagen ID.4
Read the full comparison: edmu.in/3zQ0YFh
2021 Tesla Model Y review: edmu.in/3h3uyOK
2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E review: edmu.in/3zThqED
2021 Volkswagen ID.4 review: edmu.in/3vRqqai
Intro 00:00
Pricing 01:03
Range 03:06
Cargo 06:05
Interior 08:40
Driving Impressions 16:37
Edmunds' Take 19:58
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Which EV would you rather have? Read the full comparison: edmu.in/3zQ0YFh
Mach-e
Mach-E for sure Tesla is too ugly and ID4 is too boring
Of these 3 I would choose the ID.4.... But after careful consideration and testing various EV'S I bought and ID.3 as it's smaller size is much more practical than those in your video for the tight streets and parking spaces in my city.
Tesla for the Supercharger network if nothing else, otherwise the Mach-E. The VW ID 3/4 have been big letdowns, but maybe the Ioniq 5 or Toyobaru BZ will live up to expectations.
I hope you're going to invest that Ford check.
So i recently bought a Y. The center screen is something that you get used to after 4 days… and that’s basically it. No drama after that.
For the likes of Carlos - I understand his view, as he is in and out of new cars all the time - and has to totally reconfigure his driving to it.
All i am saying is - with respect to the Tesla - the cutting edge features aren’t as inconvenient as they appear in this review - but certainly an adjustment.
I am a hardcore ICE guy and actually hated EVs, I do admit that I love the Model 3 , but when I drove the Mach E. It felt really good, true infotainment is something getting used 2 in Tesla but what I felt about the Mach E is, it felt easiest to live with, easiest to adapt to and felt like no need for orientation lik I had 2 when I tried Tesla. That is a very good thing
Also do remember this is Fords 1st BEV. for a 1st the Mach e felt far superior to 1st gen Teslas plagued with paint issues, built quality issues, software issues etc
@@ponygt6629 To combat you in this field, paint and quality will be worse than ford no brainer it’s a brand new startup vs 100 years worth of experience . Ford also has all the capital in the world to fund the mach-e. They made it an electric version of their ice platforms so I can see correlation in ease of switching over. Honestly non of these cars really have a learning curve to driving , 1 week with any of these to a brand new ev owner will be down pact they will know the ins and outs. What’s best overall for the next 5 years of ownership is the difference . Mach-e and Tesla great offerings , ford killed it. Sadly from a scientific basis, ford is less efficient . Nothing really separates the two other than technology and interior quality
@@christopherviteri3603 Yes , U r right, but that does not mean the Tesla is bad, its supercharger network is far superior to Fords and US Gov chargers, that is a BIG+ when it comes to range anxiety etc
So I do agree ford still has more catch up to do to be a real competitor for Tesla. And Ford has a 174 Bn Debt, so its not like they ve all the investment, they ve to b very careful and as of now they are doing good, ONLY IN USA and is neglecting other parts of the world
I just bought the ID.4 Pro S. The review is based on the lower end model of the ID.4. The first edition and the Pro S have different features and one of them is the screen and response time are really good. The screen is bigger and my experience has been very satisfying.
The improved responsiveness of the screen is due to a software update that came out after this review was posted. All ID.4 models should have better screen performance after the update.
Totally Agree Pro S owner here car drives amazing.
Is it pretty quick?
@@David-vz5mv this is a family car not a performance car but you’ll be surprised when you drive it.
Where is the VW ID4 built? What country?
So much misinformation. The 'start' button in the ID.4 is to power-on the car if the driver isn't in the driver seat (e.g. the passenger is waiting in the car and wants heat or a/c), (edit: or if the remote is dead and you use the mechanical key to unlock the door, or to forcibly power it off). For regen braking, the electric motor does NOT "turn backwards".... it simply begins to function as a generator to turn the kinetic energy of the car into electricity while continuing to turn the same direction. The ID.4 *does* have a power tailgate in higher trim levels. The Mach-e frunk divider pops out pretty easily if you don't want it installed. Please research better before going on the internet and just saying random words.
"The 'start' button in the ID.4 is to power-on the car if the driver isn't in the driver seat (e.g. the passenger is waiting in the car and wants heat or a/c). "
I don't think so. Every car I have ever driven with a start button requires a foot on the brake to start it. It is a standard safety feature.
@@flipadavis If the key is in the vehicle, you can power the vehicle up to operate accessories by pressing the Start/Stop button, but you can't *drive* it unless you depress the brake before selecting D or R. This is like an accessory mode. Also, if the remote battery is dead and you open the door with the mechanical key (yes, it exists), you have to use the Start/Stop button to power up the car. And also... the button exists to have a way to forcibly power-off the vehicle if necessary. Doesn't matter what you think, this is all from the owner's manual and personal experience.
Model 3 doesn’t waste time and money on a start button. More likely, a VW manager wanted his little project included in the finished car.
@@flipadavis The ID.4 did not require me to hit the start button when I drove it. Get in, foot on the break, select drive, go.
@@davidelliott5843 So.
“Physical controls are good”…
The Y has a physical volume wheel on the steering wheel. No need to reach over and turn the giant dial in the center of the touch screen of the Ford.
I found it odd that this guy says the Ford is his choice when in each individual category he also said the Y was superior (space, range, touch screen, features, charging). The only thing he liked more with the Ford was the huge volume dial. 🤷♂️
Haha totally agree😄
Some motor journalist confuse IQ and EQ winner.
The Model Y objectively is the IQ winner since it wins in most measurable categories, whereas the Mach-E in this case might be the EQ win as it emotionally is more appealing to him.
I did not like the cloth seat inserts on the Mach E
Owner of late 2018 Model 3 test drove the Mach E last week and disappointed. Feel less solid, driver seat and control also feel less premium compare to our Tesla. The M-E lane centering doesn't work on the curve it cut to other lane where basic autopilot works in the same curve.
I don't get where Ford get all the praises I thought it would be great perhaps I got a bad sample?
Also drove XC40 recharge and that thing is drive GREAT with awesome design and great Google OS. Only wish more range with lower price.
Mach E has a volume control on the steering wheel also.
Tesla's Range is over promised and under delivered and that's facts.
Pretty fair review I think. I’m a Model Y owner for a year. No problems at all. Screen never gone black. Having all controls, including speedometer, on screen is a non-problem. My volume control is by my left thumb; no reaching for screen or volume knob. 😅 If road tripping, Tesla superchargers are a huge advantage as is FSD.
Ditto with my Y.
I've had a Model 3 for 2.5 years and never had a screen go black or any problems with it? Guy made it sound like this is a big issue....
My understanding is that a lot of the unique selling points with a Tesla is the software. Like “dog mode”, “centry mode”, “camp mode”, “Autopilot”, “karaoke”, “Netflix”, etc etc.
A lot of the stuff that Edmunds left out because it’s just “too much”… yeah but…🙈
@@christianliden8483 those are all good. I bought Model Y over Mach-e mainly due to Tesla’s EV tech head start, their battery efficiency, and the supercharger system, though I love the Mach-e style.
Only if the suspension and road noise was better!!
"in fact that model y is owned by one of our employees"
That should tell you everything you need to know.
Exactly.
Yeah that Tesla wouldn't give them a car to test
I just purchased a first edition id4 today. I like its great build quality, styling, overall design, practicality and better price. For me, its power is more than enough since I am not a racer. The often complained info system and control seems fancy and techy to me after a quick learning curve. The frunk is nothing for daily driving which this car is intended for, and definitely worth to be sacrified by mechanical maintenance tasks (styling must yield to function). As a former engineer, I found the car's design and logic highly aligns to mine.
Have you driven a Tesla?
I also purchased the ID4, for the same reason and for the ; years of free charging.
@@MarkXHolland no. I believe Tesla should be very good, but id 4 beat Tesla in price after tax credits easily. The point here is not to pick the best at any price, it is to pick the best one you will spend.
Yep because the ID4 is made according to VWs philosophy, the people’s car. The Model Y is definitely far too expensive and lacks in many areas luxuries unlike the ID4 like ambient lighting and massage seats. The ID4 is one of the best value ev’s today. And in 3 years of free charging and tax credits and it’s such a good value. I wouldn’t even recommend the Model Y because it’s not that great of a vehicle now with the competition coming in
The couple of times I’ve used the frunk, I really didn’t even need to. The ID4 is a good looking but that’s subjective.
What about the heat pump?
They would be nice but apparently from all the data it really does not save that much Power in real life. Especially in severe cold
@@TheJoeSwanon what’s you talking about ? Had a 2018 model 3. Traded in for a 2020 model y. Range isn’t affected a whole lot.
One point I have discovered is that Ford dealers are charging $5k+ over the sticker price due to low inventories & demand. The Tesla is always the same price.
Tesla cuts out the stealership middleman. I’m not against people
Making money, but I am against gatekeepers. Should be able to buy directly from a manufacturer
@@Deetroiter The dealers should honor the MSRP.
My dealer honored MSRP for 2021 MachE4x in Mid March ... pre-order from ford website, you can customize the vehicle and pick the dealer you want to deliver your car.
@@MarkDKelly-te8kr Yes if you order a new Mustang the dealer cannot mark up the price. But if you find one in stock, no one will be able to purchase it for MSRP.
Tesla increased the price by 2k.
🙄 "so frustrating when the screen crashes in the Model Y, because all of them do" Ummm no all of them don't. Mine has not failed in 25,000km.
And what functions do you retain in the other cars "when" their system crashes.
They have to get ADVERTISEMENT money from FORD since Tesla don't advertise.
@@1flash3571 Wow, you have a a crazy bias. The guy said all screens can crash, he didn't say often, but that it happens or can happen, and unlike other cars that offer secondary guages and displays, it can be a problem with Tesla models 3 & Y that tie in everything to the one screen. X and S at least offers display
@@1meen1 You CAN still drive normally without the display for a min. Just reset it...Not that freaking hard. Most cars don't have problems though.
With the Mach-e the whole vehicle crashes. Honestly, they have a lot software problems with Audio, Nav, screens, charging etc. The Tesla is better in almost every regard. If you want a vehicle you can trust on a long trip, the Tesla is it.
@@1flash3571 Yeah, but it's still an issue, and not all drivers would know how to reset the screen or might even get annoyed by it. Like he said, Tesla is for people wanting to be on the cutting edge of tech, and some might not understand that being on the cutting edge of tech is a lot of beta testing and troubleshooting 😂
It is a superficial review. Nothing on what is under the hood. The quality of the thermal/cooling system, electric motors, the structure. It is really important and I recommand you to watch the Sandy Munro (Munro Live) on CZcams about the Mach-E thermal nightmare. There is so much hoses under the hood, it is made to have problems. The structure now, Tesla is using mega casting to reduce the amount of welding and have a perfect one.
Munro is a hack.
@@llaughridge Sure he is. And hacks always tear a car down to show you the Medusa of wiring below that plastic cover. The Ford is a great start, except it shows how stuck in the ICE age they're development team still is by adding nonsensical features like exhaust noise. And WTF with those bicycle tires, a display dial and really bizarre door handles or lack thereof???
I follow Sandy Munro; by and large he and is team are impressed by the Mach e. If you like the Mach e, I wouldn’t hesitate. Sandy had a problem with the Mach e thermo cooling because he is all about one item should do the job of two. I would argue, as a shade tree mechanic, that having isolated sub systems can help identify a problem. Again, though his complaint is on the side of manufacturing costs and complexity, not how functional or reliable it is. He has also found many things he likes better on the Mach e (from a manufacturing analysis).
Note the recent story of a $17,000 repair bill from Tesla for a crack in the battery assembly, the result of the kind of design/manufacturing thinking Sandy Monroe promotes. Someone did an engineering hack and fixed it for $700. I'll take a more maintainable sack of smaller assemblies anyday!
Really? When in the history of car reviews has anyone ever talked about the cooling systems, unibody structure, etc. The majority of owners will not be impacted by any of those things at all.
Interesting there is hardly any mention of significant over the air updates and the unreliability of non-Tesla highway charging systems.
Advertisement money is the reason...lol
Well NO. Just as he mentioned, not everyone wud buy a BEV, for eg, in california there are like 50k people who use a car for 100-150 mile round trips each day, for them a 200-250 mile range car is more than enough for 95% of their life duties . Studies have shown that majority of US people dont drive more than 60 miles before they take a 1 hour break. So in most probability a car iwth real life range between 150-200 mile is more than enough for 85% of population, that is exactly why the F150 lightning too is out there with 150-200 mile real life range. Sure Teslas system is superior, but Fords current range to availability of reliable charging stations s not that bad. i do agree Tesla has better charging and better range, but that does not mean it should always b preferred, for eg: there are 4 cy ice cars that get 15-20 mpg as well as some that gets 25-35 mpg out of same displacement. This does not mean the 15-20 mpg average car is stupid. many people wud prefer it if it is better to live, drive,stream line on to etc
1. I don't find having to open the hood/bonnet regularly an attractive proposition. 2. The combined boot/frunk capacity of the Mach-E is still way less than the ID.4's boot. Conclusion? I don't want or need a frunk!
I choose the Model Y -- I want to feel likeI am driving an electric car and the future. I want something different don’t want the same old same old but Electric version
They are different drive, feel, technology ,etc I am not taking about what people think as in standing out .. I could care less about that I am talking about the car not the status
Ok
@A M They didn't say they wanted something that stands out. They said they want an EV that feels like it is designed as an EV and tech that is integrated for the future (different), not a legacy gas car format that happens to be an EV with added tech that emulates old analogue legacy button and knobs just because that is familiar not because it is necessarily better.
People will argue it is better like always found in reviews like this but I can tell you from experience that I much prefer culling out all the extraneous crap across my console and dash and consolidating it into something more simple. Tesla does a great job of prioritizing what is the most used and important controls and keeping them in physical form like on the steering wheel. Those scroll buttons are for volume, cruise control speed and also have 4 direction of push and a push in for various purposes. It has incredible voice control for other features or redundant features.
They also had the foresight to eliminate some vestigial legacy crap that isn't even needed like a start button for the car. The start button is your butt in the seat and the brake pedal. Genius. It works great. It turns off when your butt is out of the seat and you close the door when your leave. One less button on the dash.
Also the sentry mode with surround cameras is great. I got rear ended at low speed on an off ramp and it has made the claim go so much smoother that I have rear video of the guy ramming me. The list goes on.
Thanks Phillip I couldn’t have said it better:)
@A M You don't drive an EV, do you?
While FSD isn't available on the Tesla I wish that they compared their autopilot/lane keep assist features. Most of the people will be happy with that and from what I've seen Tesla has the best and easiest to use.
Agreed. Lane keeping and radar cruise are incredibly useful today, unlike the vaporware fsd stuff. And not all of it works that well, or has key weaknesses that make it frustrating to use. Wish reviewers really examined these features more. Instead they go on about whether the blinkers and taillights are led or not who cares.
This is always an area that is neglected on reviews. For me it’s the most important feature of my Tesla. It makes my long daily freeway drive a breeze. I would love to hear about other brands version of lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control. The second thing is software updates. I know for a fact my Tesla has gotten better over time and continues to, which feels good when you spend big bucks on a car. And it makes it so you aren’t envious when the next model has that upgraded feature.
Yup, Lane keeping/centering and radar cruise control is incredibly useful on my toyota corolla base. Awesome for driving long distance! And no Musk needed. LOL
@@fulltimefather-parttimehero my mustang's adaptive cruise control and lane keep are amazing. I was surprised they actually worked in the rain and when the lines aren't really clear. Given that it was only $1,500 (including some other features too) I feel like It's amazing deal.
Ford’s blue cruise isn’t a “similar technology” to Tesla’s FSD. Blue cruise should be compared to basic Tesla Autopilot. Neither is Ford saying that blue cruise will have full self driving capability in the future. Edmunds should know the difference, but it’s not like I expected them to.
Agreed. Ford's blue cruise is not vaporware and was tested by professionals instead of on customers who continue to die yearly while using "FSD".
Musk FSD is just that. Musk "fool self driving"!! LOL
@@springer-qb4dv Nothing wrong with that, a lot of drivers on the road are fools, I rather see FSD drives for them LOL
@@bam357 FSD from Tesla is not vaporware. It’s in a beta test. Go ahead name who will solve self driving without Geo fencing.
Blue Cruise is true hands-free self driving, but only on designated major highways. Frankly is is only on those long boring stretches of highway that self driving is actually useful.
Mach-E is a good first attempt from Ford but it's nowhere near the level of Tesla. I researched all sorts of EVs and bought a Model Y. I hope other car companies close the gap with Tesla and make competition progress the thing that benefits us all.
Volume control really?? Who cares about them I’ve always used the volume control on the steering wheel
And you represent all of us or what?
@@michaelp.3485 so you choose to not use the steering wheel control?
@@roryreddog3258 I use both in my CX-5 regularly. I use the steering controls when driving and the knob when ai am parked to make quicker adjustments.
@@michaelp.3485 You can use your scroll wheel when parked also. Also, it doesn't take but few click away from volume section. You are nitpicking.
No I do not but you don’t either there are many people who were very happy with using the volume control on the steering wheel and using it on the wheel is less distracting
Here's the real world reason I went with a Model Y. After testing out both cars the POS ford dealers tried to screw me like they do everyone else. They went straight to the low monthly payments after glossing over the rest of the pricing. It was a low monthly payment because it was a 7 year loan. There was a $9,000 market adjustment due to scarcity and an 8% interest rate despite my 751 credit score. There was another $6000 in accessories on top of that which couldn't be removed. They actually wanted more money than the cost of the Model Y for a car that is nowhere near as nice. During negotiation, they dropped in interest down with manager's approval but wouldn't budget on the bullshit over MSRP mark up. Just off that I got the Model Y with 2.49%.
I agree. I love working with Tesla easy peasy. And the Y feels more nimble
When I've gone to a car dealer I asked them the total cost including interest, really hard to get an answer.
The only bad thing is the resale of Tesla is getting hammered because Elon keeps dropping the prices every other week lol. I feel bad for anyone trying to trade out of a Tesla.
In Norway they tested the similar Tesla model 3, Mustang Mach E and ID4 and they actually got results that Tesla model 3 had more range when running the car in real work test and until the battery is deflated 😄. You guys should check it out may be you guys can learn a thing of two 👍.
Yes it does but as an electric car to migrate from ICE, I felt the Mach E is incredibly good. Also do remember this Mach E is Fords 1st BEV, and for a 1st this actually is far superior to teslas 1st gen Model 3s
@@ponygt6629 It's not Ford's first BEV, Focus Electric is Ford's first BEV and you comparing a 1st gen model 3 which I assume the 2018 to a 2021 Ford Mach E. My 2018 LRR drive model have better effieciency and range with a smaller battery in comparison with Mach E extended range rear wheel drive 😁. How exactly the Mach E is more superior than the 1st gen 2018 model 3?
"Compare Side-by-Side" www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=39836&id=43406&id=43683
They were talking about charging the Model Y to 90% as per Tesla's recommendation. Then it's close to the other 2.
Every time see these kinds of videos they never discuss safety. Went it comes to Momma and the kiddies safety is tremendous importance. Why not have a video about the safety of these vehicles.
It's really tough to compare safety on the three. They all will be much better than similarly sized gase/ICE vehicles and much better than almost anything 10 years old.
the National Highway NHFTA shows Tesla the safest car in NOrth America. why car journalists refuse to claim it is a tell sign who they work for.
It is a shame that we as consumers looking for this kind of information have to depend on organizations that review things give the appearance of being bias is terrible. It should not be that hard to come up with some kind of comparison. Besides NHFTA , the IIHS, and anecdotal history should be able to come to some conclusion.
Tesla’s are the safest vehicles on the road. Ever. It most likely wasn’t mentioned because Edmunds is extremely biased against Tesla and is careful not to say too many positive things about the brand.
@@beau6113 That's blatantly false... You are using data that shows the Tesla Model 3 and S are some of the safest vehicles in it's class and extrapolating that much farther than is defensible. Tesla vehicles result in about 1 death per 220 million miles and all motor vehicles result in about 1 death per 90 million miles. This means a tesla is 2x as safe as your average vehicle, but already I think you should question your claim from those statistics. Many Subarus, for example, have lower deaths per million miles than Teslas, but I would propose that's more likely due to the driving characteristics of your average Subaru driver than vehicle safety. School buses... result in 1 death per 500 million miles and that is considering the fact that most occur when passengers are not wearing seatbelts and in older, smaller models. A touring bus should be even safer. I would assume a tracked vehicle weighing about 50 tons would result in as close to 0 deaths per mile as statistically possible (and yes, there are a few). The biggest problem with your statement is that it doesn't mention how important 'in it's class' is as a qualifier.
In defense of your statement, you could easily claim that the Model 3 is the safest vehicles for occupants in a crash, in it's class, as it gets top safety scores from test ratings and there wouldn't be much to disprove it. In fact, most EVs tend to get 5 stars across automakers (in part because Teslas score so well - they have to, in part because the architecture leads to safer designs, especially in frontal impact). However, Tesla claimed the lowest 'probability of injury' from the crashes... but they did so themselves. The NHTSA and federal officials have all asked Tesla to stop making that claim as it isn't something they devise/support nor do they have any evidence in support of it. Of course, what's really needed is more crash testing, both independent of the individual vehicle (run head-on with a typical SUV for instance) and above the current 5-star ratings (which more and more cars achieve).
What I heard was the Y has access to great super charging network, more space, positive driving experience, but the Mach E is recommended?
Almost all of the reviewers prefer it over the Tesla Model Y or 3 #FACTS
@@twany442 sure, but in this review I heard more positive things about the Tesla Model Y than I did about the Mach E
@@aneelysis Bullshit! They all must have been Tesla fan based reviewers. Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Edmonds, Alex on Autos, Kelly Blue book, and many more say it and it would not have won all of those awards from all over the place. Utility Vehicle Of The Year, Luxury EV Of The Year, EV Of The Year and has been enter into the Guinness Book of World Records for its range and efficiency. Where's Tesla?
Dude chill, I’m just talking about this specific review. I am interested in EVs and didn’t think this review made sense. That’s all I’m calling out. Good for Ford on all those awards. Geez lol
@@aneelysis That's why the Mustang Mach E was recommended.
7:40 The dividers in the Mustang frunk are only there so Ford isn't required to include an emergency release button.
They actually do have an emergency release button but according to Ford, it won’t be activated for use until they release a software update at a later date. It’s in the inside left of the trunk that couldn’t be seen from the camera angle. After the button is activated by that software update, Ford will no longer put the dividers in there at the factory.
Sandy Munro mentions the mistake in his teardown video:
czcams.com/video/C1dQtlrI7uU/video.html
@@johngreene4436 I’m not sure what mistake you’re referring to but you can clearly see the emergency release button on the frunk casing he has removed from the Mach E. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make exactly. The Mach E does have an emergency release button but it’s not active at the moment. So if you press it, it doesn’t do anything and it won’t until the software update by Ford at a later date. When this happens, they won’t include the dividers anymore at the factory because they will no longer be required to since they have a functioning emergency release button. You will be able to purchase the dividers for later install, however.
@@kevinsaint20 I think that was his point. When is the update coming, should,not be difficult to enable emergency release after pressing a button that is already there, properly wired and all. Unless something else is going on here. Either way should get resolved this year.
@@JakubKudlacz the only reason I replied was because in his original comment, he suggested that the divider was there so Ford didn’t have to include an emergency release button but they do have the buttons. When he linked the video of Sandy, it seemed like he was still trying to suggest they don’t have an emergency release button and that’s why I didn’t understand what point he was making by linking the video. Nothing I said was incorrect but maybe I misinterpreted something he said.
EDMUNDS and Tesla... no need to watch the video. "Buy anything but Tesla" is their motto.
That is because Edmonds is conservative and Tesla is progressive.
@@sajiantony7473 another way to put it is that he likes blackberry, whereas Tesla likes doing iPhones.
We know what it will happen.
Can you refresh this when the ioniq 5 and EV6 come out?
Hope the buyer doesn't want a Model Y soon...its sold out through Sept. The Mach e and ID.4 is currently available on dealer lots for purchase today.
Exactly!!!
Good luck getting a Mach E @ MSRP.
@@markarnez8983 Agreed, Ford dealers are definitely marking them up. Not sure about VW dealers. Supply should improve and so should prices.
@@mowcowbell If you make a reservation for an ID4 from VW, then you get MSRP. VW has been slapping down dealers trying to add markup. But if someone cancels a reservation, the dealer is free to mark it up however they like.
Good luck getting a Mach E in Canada....Availability is "unknown" delivery date. Place a deposit and wait and see is what many dealers are saying
As an owner of a 1st edition ID.4, I'm truly impressed. It's not super quick but rides better than the model y and Mach E. Definitely worth a test drive folks!
No Frunk no power, no regenerative braking, no thanks.
@@royphillips7644 I have a model 3, I've used the frunk once. The VW engineers gave the car more interior space as a substitute. The car has regen braking... Go for a test drive bud! You'll love the Travel Assit, better than autopilot on the highway!
@@theelectriccarchannel1497 no Frank because they basically put all the components they needed that were already in the engine department and left them there. The car was not designed from the ground up as an electric vehicle. And I have written in teslas and they are fast and nice. You drove a Mach E before you bought that one and a Tesla before you bought that one?
@@theelectriccarchannel1497 but the Model Y has more usable interior space.
@@royphillips7644 Having all the critical components available under hood makes servicing car much easier. Do you think your Tesla car will never break down? Better think again. Tesla cost an arm and leg to service out of warranty. Plus free charging for 3 years at Electrify America makes ID4 a winner!!
@16:16 Impressed there is a volume knob on Mach-e. Model Y has a volume knob on the steering wheel so you don't have to take your hand off the wheel to change volume.
The Mach-e also has the volume on the steering wheel. Knobs in the center for various controls are easier to access rather than menus, especially for things like (work) gloves, people with bad hands, longer fingernails, etc., etc. Or passenger access (someone not familiar with hunting through different brand menus).
A multi-function scroll wheel isn't a volume knob. A scroll wheel on the steering wheel can't be accessed by the front passenger. Ford's volume knob can.
@@CMCNestT There is a volume slider for the passenger. They aren't driving so it's hardly a huge deal breaker that your passenger would have to slide a volume slider sitting right there on the screen. Geez.
@@flipadavis Sliders suck. That is the point. Tesla doesn't have grab handles for disabled or elderly. Tesla removed Alcantara headliner. Tesla removed passenger lumbar knob. Tesla doesn't have sunglasses holders. All these little things add up. Stuff Mach-E has.
@@flipadavis I don’t think most people are saying it’s a deal breaker. It’s just that some prefer a knob. In the past, Ford made some cars without a knob. But their customers preferred at least having a volume knob. No. It’s not a necessity. It’s just what some prefer. But I doubt they’ll reject or choose a car for that reason only.
You can tell that Carlos is against change and has not spent any real time in and of these. The comments about the Model Y and the screen was ignorant at best and probably the real reason for his pick in the end. I have a M3 for clarification and the I love the screen. I was always frustrated by the normal instrument cluster because I had to move the steering wheel just right to keep from blocking stuff but that just right is not comfortable. The steering wheel controls actually make sense and are usable. The Tesla SuCs alone will make the Tesla cars the winners every time. His comment about no being for you if you drive 200 miles a week if INSANE. I drive my car at least 100 miles everyday and lots of long trips. I put 3000+ every month and I have NO regrets. I will never go back to a gas car and probably never leave Tesla.
If you drive hundreds of miles a week then an EV is ideal for you, not the other way around. (If you have a level 2 charger in your garage.)
It is a testament that Edmunds editors don’t get it at all. I have standard range Model Y and I commute 136 miles a day. The best part is not going to a gas station at all. When I had my corolla, I had to stop for gas every other day.
@@suvari225 I get so annoyed how long it takes to fill my Jeep's gas tank now that I commute in an i3. Filling gas tanks is the real inconvenience until the utility company starts offering 87 octane unleaded in my garage.
Obviously, as if you drive a lot you save a ton on gas as well since you can charge an EV for $1 or $1.50/gallon equivalent most places. Or get $6,000 worth of solar panels (for ave. 12,000 miles/yr driver) and drive for free for 25 or 30 years. Beats paying $50,000 for gas over that time!
Lol
What a joke. “If you drive hundreds of miles per week, an EV isn’t right for you”
How does this company even exist with analysis that bad
Whenever this guy talks about Tesla, he always say " on paper", " in theory"
Because in their tests, like the fuel mileage test, the real numbers don't quite hit the paper advertised ones by Tesla.
And some research shows a reason for this. Tesla doesn't use a 30% adjustment factor like other OEMs when submitting their range to the EPA. Tesla also claims they range is measured when driving beyond 0% indicated range (although in the owners manual they make it clear it will void warranty for any damage it may cause on the high voltage system).
@@kamilb8232 their numbers do hit their claimed numbers, they have been pretty accurate with their estimations, cant say the same for a lot of people claiming to have tested it in poor quality range test.
On paper is their whole deal. Lol
@@odisy64 No they haven't. Third party publications all struggle to hit Tesla EPA numbers. That's a fact.
Motortrend just got a chance to test the Model S Plaid. With nearly perfect conditions of 75F. Still only got 318 miles vs EPA 348 miles. Edmunds can't hit Tesla figures. The Fast Lane Car couldn't. Literally nobody can without some absurd hypermiling. On the other hand most publications can hit and in some cases easily exceed EPA figures for other EVs in the very same conditions, because those OEMs report with a standard 30% adjustment factor.
On paper VW iD4 do not have a start button
If it were me, I’d probably get the ID4, because I’m cheap and it’s $20k cheaper than the Model Y after the tax credit.
I wouldn’t consider it cheap but a better financial move. Think about it. Ev’s are moving so fast right now in terms of advancement why spend so much on a top level one? The ID4 also gives you a 7500k tax credit and 3 years of free charging and many other perks like massage seats, ambient lighting, etc
You can adjust the volume in the Y w/ the analog scroll wheel too but that wouldn't fit your narrative
I thought I was the only one who notice his fan boyish behavior with the Mustang. He said "we" prefer the Mustang...well obviously not since the Model Y he had belonged to one of their employees.
@@KineticEV yeah you can hear the subtle bias from start to finish.
You don't need car play or android auto in model y. It works better in a tesla and there is a volume control on the steering wheel don't need a knob.
True. Sounds like this guy drove the Y one time around the block. Plus you can use voice commands for virtually everything. Including ac controls
I installed my own . Real easy
After three months I love my Mach E. It's the extended range four wheel drive - so quick! More fun to drive than you'd ever expect from a four door crossover. But I agree it isn't a road trip car with the existing charging network. I'd have bought a Telsa if I were taking long trips, or if it were my family's only car. And I wouldn't have bought an EV at all without my own garage charger or one at work (I'm fortunate to have both).
Soon, all Tesla supercharges will be open to any EV (according to Musk). But who knows Musk being pedantic tyrant, he could flip flop anytime.
At first the Mach E was one of my choice when I will change my actual car but I was able to see it need very big improvement for the cooling of the batterie. I saw Munro dismantle all the thing and it was eye-openning.
@@andreb.8266 Andre, in a series of videos Sandy Munro has both good and bad things to say about the Mach E engineering. I don't think his beef with the thermal management was whether it works so much as whether the approach was cost effective and weight efficient. For the cabin AC, the Mach E is great in my experience, and better than the Model X I was in last week. In a subsequent video Munro was not as critical of the Mach E battery pack and cooling plate design.
@@davidhorrocks I do not take all he said for cash, some of his comments are not very good when its time to make a repair but the thermal management is so complex it keep me away from the Mach-E for now.
@@andreb.8266 Hope you find a great car! So many new options coming soon.
As another CZcams reviewer commented on the window opening buttons I initially agreed, then on reflection noted my partner in his Tesla and me in my Audi A7 were opening the rear windows by mistake because we do it by feel. I think the ID4 system would ensure the correct windows are operated, especially as the driver normally only needs to open the front windows.
That makes a lot of sense. I do that all the time as well. I like the rear switch button on the ID.4 &.3 also if you hold the rear button down for a couple of seconds the light blinks and all the windows go down at the same time. GENIUS! 😃😂 Press guys just knit pic over everything sometimes. 😉
Great review! I owned a Model Y (sold it after 5 months), and have driven the Mach E. I really liked it much better than the Y. Acceleration isn’t as quick, but it’s not slow by any means. Great advice on buying future tech now…I bought my Model 3 with FSD, owned it for 2 years, and it never came to fruition. After owning 25 cars in my life, that was by far the dumbest thing I’ve ever purchased on a car. When I bought my Y a hear later, got the LRAWD with NO FSD. Didn’t miss it at all. I got lucky when I bought FSD that it was only 5k and when I sold it, FSD was 10k, so didn’t lose out, but I would have made much more $$$ investing the 5k.
Why did you sell the Y? You didn't find the supercharger network useful? Or the software?
Mach-E definitely my favorite, looks the best inside and out, easy to use, fast as hell, and affordable. Nice job Ford!
I’ve had my Model Y for more than a year now and I love except for a few important safety features: 1) no blind side indicator in the mirrors, and 2) no rear cross traffic alert. How can a vehicle so advanced miss these basic safety functions?
Yeah I second those two complaints. Hopefully blind side monitoring can be updated with a software update, Tesla shows red car on the screen, but I am usually watching the road or side mirror not the screen.
Ditto, though I think the blind spot indicator should be an easy software update on the screen. My Chevy Bolt had rear cross traffic alert. C’mon Tesla
Same here. I hope they can add this soon to all their vehicles.
I'm not sure I understand the rear cross traffic alert complaint. If your bumper is sticking out even 1 inch past the two cars parked next to you the giant rear camera fish eye view on your giant screen shows you traffic in either direction all the way down the street. That is better than some beeping noise telling you if there is traffic or not. I can see with my eyes all the way down in either direction if there is a physical car or not.
Agreed pon both of these. I added small blind spot mirrors to mine.. but WTF with the cross traffic alert! I hope they add that.
Biased BS and FUD from BigAuto - don't waste your time on this biased review
Is the model y 2021 or 2020 ? There is a battery different 77Kwh (2020) vs 82kwh (2021)
I would validate all this
Judging by being in the US and it has the newer interior, I would guess this is an early 2021 model.
It is a little bit hard to take this video seriously. Every feature where the Tesla is substantially better gets glossed over. "Oh range isn't a big deal, Tesla has 50% more than the next competitor but it doesn't matter"
"Blue Cruise and FSD are basically the same" - Not even close here
As far as I can tell the Tesla beat the other two cars in every objective category except price 1. Speed 2. Range 3. Cargo Size 4. Self Driving yet somehow the ford wins?
I'm not against the Ford but how does it win?
Maybe because people struggle to achieve the rated range on a Tesla, but easily exceed it with others?
@@JackRussell021 Having driven the tesla you can probably get 280 miles on it in almost any circumstance which is still 25% more than any other vehicle
Excellent, thorough summary, done by a pleasing, well spoken presenter. If only the rest of the CZcams-verse were this worthwhile to view. One miss: No comments about the relative availability of repairs and warranty service between the two main brands and the Tesla. It's one of my concerns as a future BEV buyer. Hearing about that would have been helpful.
And now, if you add the fact that Tesla Superchargers are open to the other brands ? (This is the case in Europe since ... couple of days ;))) Which one do you recommend ? Oh, by the way,n I'm totally in love with this Mach-E
This is a very good news, i didn't know that. I'm between ID.4 and Mach-E.... I don't decided yet.
Tesla any day, it's just pure one step ahead of these legacy cars
It would be hard to argue against the Tesla at this point in time as they just have too much of technological lead in software, batteries, motor performance, overall efficiency, plus they are the only maker that built their "gas stations" alongside the car rollout. A report out the other day said they are the #1 American built car now too as the Mach E is built in Mexico. I love competition but it's going to take a few more years I think.
Tesla is also the SAFEST Car too. One Model 3 went over the cliff and went down around 100 feet. All 4 walked away from the car with just a minor, or mid injuries.
I dont understand why people are so hell bent on giving notion that Tesla should be the only BEV choice, now does that feel like COMMUNIST in NATURE!!
Come on, the Mach E is INCREDIBLE for a 1st attempt by Ford, FAAAAR superior to crappy 1st gen Teslas, see give every1 a chance, FORD used to be STUPID and even now is STUPID, but at least they re trying to correct their path, give em a chance, sometimes they may grow on U, it grew on me, I am a a hrdcore V8 lover and hated Ford for using Mustang name on SUV and detested Ford, after using it I am pleasantly surprised and me and my family actually loved it. I ve used tesla Mode 3 too and i do agree its a gre8 vehicle too. But Ford is not at all BAD for a 1st attempt
Wish you guys could have gotten Tesla's detailed storage numbers. Their cargo space number includes the frunk.
What if your housing doesn’t allow a home plug in and you have to rely on supercharger stations, then is Tesla the only way to go or can other electric cars use those stations owned by Tesla?
There's an adapter you can buy to allow you to use Tesla charging stations on non-tesla vehicles. But, you cannot use the Tesla "Supercharger" stations on non-teslas. At least not yet. Elon Musk claims they will be open to all EVs later in the year, though.
I feel that many car enthusiast still don't get it why Teslas are so appealing to masses. Yes they do have drawbacks as well, but they are currently much better cars overall. Mach E on the outside looks somewhat better, but only to older people who are used to driving gas cars. Every other new driver on the road will be choosing a Tesla most of the time and it's easy to see why, but again not to everyone :)
Love my Model Y. Like traveling in a spaceship. In a class of its own. You have to own one to truly understand. TESLALALA
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That's the point, some want to travel in something futuristic and some don't want to.
I wish I had seen this video 8 months ago. I own the ID.4 First Edition, and do love it.
There is in fact a good reason for the Start button. When the driver leaves the car the car shuts down, so if a passenger stays and it is cold or hot, they are left sweltering, or shivering. Hitting the start button turns the systems on again allowing passengers to have the comforts afforded by the vehicle. I have not yet found a way to disable the feature.
“On paper, the Tesla wins on all specs, but my car industry experience tells me the VW and Ford win.”
On the road Tesla wins. Your bias tells you the VW and the Ford win.
Tesla wins. But it's also far more expensive. I can afford the Mach e and I can't the Tesla y. In Canada with all the features I want from both. The Mach e costs me 60k while the Y costs me 100.
The Start button is for "accessoiries"
Always more Carlos!
I drive to visit family for the holidays. I can’t sit and wait at lots of slow chargers or wonder if electrify America stations will be down when I arrive or being taken up by slower charging chats ahead of me so Tesla it is since they can use Supercharger network and Electrify America in a pinch.
So you picked the EV that works for you. I can appreciate your opinion.
Let me tell you a story. Two road trips with my model 3. One entire station on Florida’s Turnpike with 16 stalls completely out of service. Right next to it a row of FPL and Another of Electrify America all in perfect working condition. Second story. Charged vehicle at least 10 times on the two road trips. Never saw a Tesla Supercharger go above 50Kwh. Very slow charging. I have used Electrify America 5 times (which is Free for my ID4) always charge at or above 125Kwh. ID4 20-80% in 25 minutes. So yes Tesla has an upper hand with infrastructure but it is far from being even close to excellent.
@@FernandoRodriguez-pj5uh Um… Tesla’s screen tells you when superchargers are not working, even tells you if they are in-use. There are more than 25,000 superchargers (May 2021) vs 9,500 electrify American (by 2025). I hope EA and others create great charging networks… but today, nothing is close to Tesla’s overall. Not perfect, but it is great and is WAY better than when I first used it 6 years ago.
@@KenPaulsen13 25.000 globally 16K in the US. To you and me the 25.000 globally are worthless. The only ones that count are the ones where my vehicle can go. So the ones in Europe or Mexico really don’t count. And yes the screen is “supposed” to tell you that. Well guess what. We arrive only to get waved by a couple in a Model Y fuming because all the chargers were off line and the screen didn’t show them as off line. While leaving two more vehicles showed up right after us asking the same thing.
@@FernandoRodriguez-pj5uh Bummer, that would be frustrating! Must have just happened? Even the most reliable network isn't perfect -- clearly continued improvements are needed.
Mach E has less space less range no power fold down rear seats a less convenient charging network BUT that volume button on the screen makes it worth it being the best choice for the everyday driver.
Less range on EPA numbers, but more range in real world (most manufacturers use a different correction factor than Tesla on the EPA tests).
@@lenm2857 you should watch range tests
@@alphaomega9650 Yeah, watched a bunch of them. The Taycan really outperforms it's EPA numbers.
Video should say "Paid promotion by Ford Motor Company"..lol. I own a 2021 Model Y and it's the most practical, quickest and safest mid-size SUV out there.
For my money, I buy Made in USA. That means: Tesla, and Tesla only.
VW made in Tennessee. Ford Made in Mexico and some Teslas made in China at least the batteries
Watch Sandy Munro remove the frunks of a Model Y and a Mach-E if you want to see the stark lead in engineering that Telsa has. God save you if something needs replacing post-warrantee under the hood in a Mach-E.
Sandy did several videos for each car. Perhaps you didn't know that?
He's still in the process of tearing down the MMe. Perhaps you should consider withholding judgment until he completes teardown?
Sandy states that Tesla is far ahead of anyone.
@@jamesseay9943 That jumble under the hood is all I need to see. What would that dealership do if something went wrong with a component deep in that stack?Compare it to a Model Y.
Do you want to replace a single hose leak or pay thousands to replace the whole unite? Hose leaks won't be common because it won't get as hot as an ice vehicle.
I dont get the fascination with the Mach-e physical volume controller on the center screen...
You literally have a physical volume scroller on the steering wheel on the Model Y, which is exactly where you would want to have it :P
If anything, that controller on the Mach-e screen should have been a climate controller and not volume.
Now you only have an ugly scroll wheel in the middle of the screen.
Owner of late 2018 Model 3 test drove the Mach E last week and disappointed. Feel less solid, driver seat and control also feel less premium compare to our Tesla. The M-E lane centering doesn't work on the curve it cut to other lane where tesla base autopilot works on the same curve.
I don't get where Ford get all the praises I thought it would be great perhaps I got a bad sample?
Also drove XC40 recharge and that thing is drive GREAT with awesome design and great Google OS. Only wish more range with slightly lower price.
Hmmmmm so the only vehicle owned by an employee at edmunds is the model Y? That should tell you everything you need to know.
Yes, that the other vehicles haven't been available that long, and perhaps some people are waiting for something other than "year 1" models. etc., etc.
The cargo floor in the VW is adjustable so you can raise it up so it lines up with the seats and you therefore have a completely flat load floor.
A correction about paying for more range. With an electric car, the cost of charging is dependent on the size of the battery not total range. The Model Y and Mach E has a 75 kwh battery vs the ID4’s 82 kwh. So you actually pay a bit more to go less miles in the VW.
The usable capacity of the ID.4 is 77 kWh
Tesla gets more range out of its battery so I think battery capacity is misleading
I want to see more like this, so I’m letting you know in the comments.
Love this one: don’t pay money today for technology that might exist tomorrow 👌🏻
I know. Is it going to be free tomorrow then? I think many would still pay more to have it sooner. Plus, how long will it take for the others? Considering the lead Tesla has, it could be 5 to 10 years. By then, the other oems will be gone. LOL.
The technology is already here!
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He forgot to mention that Ford and Tesla cost $9k > than VW! Just something minor to consider….
I really want a Mach E and a Bronco Sasquatch to compensate for each other.
The Model Y is hands down more performance oriented over the other two. I'm not to old to enjoy some performance so the Model Y would be my choice. I've seen some vids with the Model Y performance keeping up with a BMW M3 at the track so that would blow away the other competition hands down. No vehicle is perfect but once you get used to the huge screen and controls on the Model Y it just becomes second nature. I would like to see when the Mach-e GT comes out and how it compares since the long range AWD Mach-e falls short of the LR Model Y..
See the Out of Specs review on the Mach E. Also, the Out of Specs reviewer, a Tesla owner, has issues with the Model Y's suspension. He drives them on real canyon roads, not just on tracks. The Model Y needs further development and refinement to reach its potential. The Mach E was too soft, but that's been fixed with the GT version.
Affordable at plus 40k?
Cheaper energy cost for EVs. You pay up front, but less on service at least for Tesla vehicles, not sure about other 2 though, and you pay less for each mile. Not sure about the insurance though. You have to do the math.
@@1flash3571 My ID.3 is much cheaper (€350,-/year) in insurance than my previous ICE car (€670,-/year) using the same insurance company.
And for that cheaper price I get more coverage (I added free rescue when running out of juice and damage due to any natural/meteorological event which I didn't have on my old policy)
You should look at total costs (per month) when comparing to ICE cars.
So also calculate how much you spend on fuel and how much you would spend on electricity for charging and maintenance costs differences.
Bought my 125 mile range Kia Soul for $11k.
Cheaper is relative to the individual. My EV cost a lot more to insure and register than my ICE. Partly because it cost about 50% more and partly because the state charges extra fees on EVs. It makes up for it in gas, but its fairly close in TCO overall to a similar sized ICE (Rav4).
Regen braking / one pedal 18:00
your statment "motor spins backwards..." i dont think so. Check your facts. Start with inductive charging, back emf, or maybe just "how does an ev work" in google searches. Very misleading and wrong. The motors and your car keep moving in the same direction. Sorry if this comment was already made - i couldnt find it.
Car & Driver Magazine agrees with you.
Lots of smug jokey digs at Tesla. Pretty obvious what the recommendation of this reviewer was going to be before we got to the end. The end monologue confirmed it.
my Kia Niro-EV has far better acceleration than the VW ID.4, I've driven both of them back-to-back. The VW has arguably a plusher interior, & the prices are a wash as they're about the same. Comparing only the three in this video ignores other excellent options, the Niro-EV being just one.
Discusses full self driving not actually being available (it absolutely is but doesn't have full features and capability yet) but doesn't review and compare the actual driver assist features of each car. Teslas come with Autopilot (not Full Self Driving) included in the price and is a very capable combo adaptive cruise control/lane keep assist product.
Does the ID.4 and Mach-e come with these? And are they as good? I'm not familiar with those two brands and this review skipped it entirely.
A better way to think of regenerative breaking is to say the motor becomes a generator, taking energy from the vehicle's motion to recharge the battery and slow down the vehicle. The motor does not spin the other direction. Power does flow the other direction, however. Perhaps that is what you are thinking.
Hard to beat VW ID4 as a daily commute car with occasional long road trips for vacation (use case for most people). Plus 3 years of free Electrify America DC fast charging...Lease for 3 years, wait for the solid state batteries to come and then buy an EV to own.
Love Carlos but this is crap. It’s as if someone from Edmunds shorted tesla stock and are now getting even…or trying. The Ford is a decent car but not better.
Charging to 80%-90% is a recommendation across the board to improve battery longevity, not just for Tesla.
They said that at the beginning of the review for the others fan boy
Very poor review that seems biased and non of the important safety features were compared correctly. Please compare the facts, and not your opinions.
"On our loop"?
Take them on a trip which exceeds the range of all the cars, destination chosen at random.
Start at a similar charge level (preferred 100%)
See which car navigates to chargers intuitively.
See which initiates charge successfully.
See which calculates the requirement to reach the next charger (chargers).
See which is accurate in that calculation.
See who arrives first.
Again about the rear window button in the ID.4, IMO it's a plus, I hardly ever want to control the rear windows when driving but I can't count the number of times that I accidentally opened the rear window when I wanted to grab a parking entry ticket. Also a neat trick is you can control all windows with a single button by first pressing and holding for a second that rear window switch.
I call it don’t sell me magic beans.
People have very strong opinions on this subject. I personally think Mustang wins in looks in/out. Tesla wins in drivetrain. ID wins in comfort and reliability. Take your pick. If course others will disagree on every count but most who own none will probably agree with this after a test drive.
Comfort is very tied to your body type and preference, so that is variable. Although some cars, such as the Bolt, are so widely panned for seat comfort that there is an objective component.
Looks are subjective, but the Mach E would likely easily win on the exterior. I don't think that it would clearly win on the interior, but the ID would very likely lose.
I'm pretty sure that the ID isn't going to win on reliability. Ford has had significant problems with the Mach E, with several causes for drivetrain shutdown and limp mode. Tesla has had exception drivetrain reliability, and has fixed the 2017 era paint, fit and finish issues.
I think the reviews of these 3 cars are a little too basic. In fact, it misses important comparisons like towing, availability and much much more. Unfortunately, This video must be taken with a massive grain of salt...
You mean a BIG salt shaker.
No one is towing with these. What are the much much more?
@@MrLalasd the model Y is rated for 3500 lbs and comes with a option for a factory installed tow hitch and wiring for brake controller. Lots of people are towing with Model Ys...including me. I suggest you do a bit more research and look around when driving from day to day to notice Model Ys in the flesh towing. Just got my Y and loving towing my utility trailer and small travel trailer. Towing sealed the deal for me amongst other things, not covered in the video.
@@PaulDerbyshire I have never seen an ev tow. 99% of owners don't tow with an x3 or q5. why would it be different for the cuv evs?
@@MrLalasd sounds like seeing is believing with a quick CZcams search. Model X can tow up to 5000 lbs. CUV that are ice or ev can potentially tow if rated. Well, at least the good ones can, and owners do tow with them. Maybe you can get the new EV pickups that can tow 7000-10000 lbs.
By the way, please don't quote a statistic (99%) that you have no proof for other than perhaps your own personal experience which is obviously lacking.
X3 = 1500 lbs towing capacity....not much...
Q5 = 4400 lbs towing capacity....actually useful...but in phev model not full ev.
Very simple use for a tow receiver is a bike rack...
Just by the way he comes across I knew he was going to to the Ford. Old school with knobs and buttons. Use up your old inventory to put in a new technology. Sandy Monro is a better source for checking out the real differences
Yes, absolutely need that round knob with 1 second screen lag. Bring it on Ford! Love it!
18:09 “the electric motors start turning backwards “ …. NO THEY DONT ! Hilarious error. 😂😂
Too much demand in the US for Tesla’s, brand new the Y is now going to January caravans website is sold out for used Tesla’s Y
Now that's a more valid consensus on which car is better overall to date. When I shopped for my first EV last month, I also paid particular attention to service, sustainability, resale value, charging network and overall "engineering" built quality. The only other car apart for the Model Y that interested me was the Ioniq 5 but that was not yet available in the US.
The Mach-E can win all the magazine awards but it means nothing if these awards cannot be translated to company $. I don't even see the Mach.E surviving the competition coming to the US in 2022 from EV6, Ioniq 5, or BYD unless Ford comes up with some ingenious plan to attract customers. Otherwise Mach-E will be dead by 2023.
Overall good review but a few things were overplayed like the screen in the Tesla and the lack of buttons to lower seats in the other two cars. What was a disservice to listeners was the extremely basic coverage of long range driving. There was an attempt but it was in no way clear. The MachE is the worst car for long range driving to the point you almost can't do it. The ID.4 is slow at long range driving but will be doable. They did a pretty good job of covering that the Tesla is good for long range driving but not a good job of why. The MachE simply charges too slow and the car is too inefficient to drive long range. This is a serious limitation while every other complaint about the cars is pretty minor. Hard to see how they ended up with recommending the MachE. Ford will hopefully fix this along with the infotainment and then I would see it winning for sure.
The ID.4 actually has the best charging curve, and seems to roadtrip just fine. See Out Of Spec's long ID.4 roadtrip video.
@@llaughridge Like I noted, the ID.4 can long range drive. It is mostly let down by a lack of charging stations and the issues with those stations. Lack of stations requires it to charge too high into the pack where the speed of it's, and any EV's, charging curve is slow. It also has a lower max charging rate so while it's curve is good, maxing out at 126kW makes Tesla better in both aspects even on common 150KW chargers must less 250kW charger. Again, not saying the ID.4 can't road trip and I did watch Out of Specs drive back from FL in an ID.4 which was great content. Of the two, it's the charging stations and not the 126kW max charge rate that causes the most problem.
@@llaughridge Out of Spec reviews are excellent.
Ford should include a pillow or a book for waiting while charging
Mines came with an alienware small pillow
Not sure what the fasination is with the front storage. It's ok but I for one don't want to open my hood to get something.
Why not comparing the autopilot and the like? This is a big deal because it relived 90% burden on highway on Tesla
Some people like driving cars, I HATE auto drive systems, its fukkn boring, I like driving Mazdas etc and I love driving and I am 1 who firmly believes that HUMAN BRAIN IS ANY DAY FAR SUPERIOR to a computer and act like DRIVING should never be left to a computer. Sorry, U may have ur theories but I wish this stupid tech be banned
Then simply don’t use the autopilot. It’s a great drivers car as well.
Being in the market for an EV I’d probably opt for the Tesla. They appear to be tried and true, although I’ve heard there appears to be some quality control issues
We went all ev (a model 3 in 2019 and a model Y this year). When we first got the model 3 I would find excuses to go to the grocery store so I could drive it. Still super happy with it. Friends are always amazed at how much stuff we’re able to pack into the model y on road trips. The frunk and sub trunk definitely add lots of usable storage space. Also the 3rd row seat in our Model Y comes in handy quite often.
Quality control issues most often were in the past, not for the latest deliveries
The "quality control" issues are WAY overblown, and mostly just a way for haters to find something non-specific to pick on, because in all the ways you can measure, Tesla stomps everyone else flat.
ID4 Has no Frunk and weak regenerative braking. They just piecemeal it together. And the cooling system and AC on the Ford is a nightmare. The Y is the clear winner
That, or VW understand their customers - regular drivers who don't find a frunk convenient or useful and for whom using a brake pedal occasionally is not the massive inconvenience some people make it out to be. Sensible targeted value proposition and design choices by VW.
An inaccurate comment as ID.4 does do regen - either in 'B' mode or even when you press the brake pedal! Not one-pedal driving though if you're that lazy... ;-)
@@CoxJul You still need to push the brake even if your regen is set up right. VW appears to be trying to coast to get there mileage up. Brakes won’t last as long as others. What’s your comment on the cooling system and all the hoses and connections which is why they don’t have a Frunk. Look at the Sandy Munro video. It’s not the worst BEV but it’s not a trendsetter with its design. We will see what the customer likes better. The tesla set up or the Volkswagen set up. You’ll also get to see which set up gets the best mileage.We will also see how they do in their safety ratings. It is slow and has very low range. The free charging network is also not so great. Not the car for me but get it if you like it.
@@CoxJul they just piled a bunch of hoses and crap in there to make the cooling system work with pieces off of the shelf did they already had therefore they had no room for the Frunk. Look at the Sandy Mumro video.
@@CoxJul Watch the Sandy Munro video on your ID4.
TESLA is unbeaten in efficiancy. Compare all this cars on the same day on the same Road. Quire easy. I am a TESLA owner and I would never ever buy an EV from a Guzzler OEM. They have no idea about EV´s - See sandy Munro´s YTbs !
Good overall video. Just a note on one pedal driving. It's just a software feature. It does not increase effective regeneration. Also regeneration cannot stop a vehicle. Different manufactures apply one pedal driving differently. For example on the Bolt EV regeneration will slow the vehicle to 3mph but motor load will not stop it. So the vehicle actually needs to apply power in reverse to stop it. Nissan at speeds below 3mph actually uses software to apply the friction brakes even though you don't touch the brake pedal. VW just fully blends regeneration into the brake pedal (like GM's D and L mode). So you still get full effective regeneration. It's just seamless to the driver. Also this review is very US centric as the pricing of these vehicles are very different in other markets. In Canada the ID4 is drastically more affordable than the Mach-E and Model Y.
Every time there was a clear advantage for the Tesla it was followed by a “but”. Why not compare the safe driving features offered by each rather than going on about FSD which,as was stated, does not yet exist anywhere. Finally if you are driving 100s of mile a week an EV is exactly what you need due to the fuel savings. I am not sure on what criteria he picked the MachE since the Tesla has more storage, more range, better performance, better interior space…It would have been good idea to be explicit about that since without that it just looks like bias - or personal preference if you like. Honestly the idea of having the speedometer behind the wheel is not as sensible as it sounds since it gets obscured by the wheel spokes. Where Tesla has it just to the right at the top of the screen works perfectly. The comment about Beta software is also crass. Tesla updates the features on the car regularly and that is a big plus. The MachE might be great but the lack of objectivity here makes it unclear.
You make great points. The reviewer’s conclusions don’t square with the data he provided. The “100s of miles a week” comment was so bizarre, that’s exactly why you WOULD want the EV, what was he talking about?
Why do none of these cars have a spare wheel? I guess punctures must be illegal in California.
huh? are you that poor to not pay for a tow truck? peasant!
My last two ICE cars didn't come with a spare tire either.
@@rj7855 If a vehicle didn't come with a spare tire, I'd purchase one. No way I'd be stuck 50-60 miles from a town with a tow service for something that simple. Vs less than 10 minutes to get going again. I have called a tow one time, took two hours to get there, and it was only 40 miles out. Luckily it wasn't a Sunday, or after hours when there aren't any open at all (24 hour service comes from much, much farther away).
@@not_me3286 I can't even remember tye last time I had a flat tire... anyway I'm now using run-flat tires just in case
@@rj7855 In the past 5 years, I've had 3. Lifetime probably around 10 (not counting implements). Nail, piece of wire, small stick through the sidewall. Most picked up on gravel roads.
Wish I could get model y performance and charging network with volkswagens build quality
Why so interested in 0-60? I just want comfort and a decent ride. Is that such a big ask?
@@tominftlthomasp3559 well then, enjoy your “build quality” software. Haha I’ve had several Porsche’s new off the showroom floor, and it’s a VW, and part of build quality is reliability, not just panel gaps.
Just my XMSN on my 2014 cayenne diesel cost more to fix ($8800 at 118k miles) than I’ve spent on everything on my 2017 Model X with 130K miles...($5798 - which includes my $1500 main screen update which I wanted, not needed)
That maintenance price didn’t include, ECU (warranty), DEF pump going ($1695), XMSN flush ($1795), brakes ($795 - and I did my own brakes / rotors)....The ECU, XMSN and DEF pump left me stranded. A big panel gap has never left me stranded waiting for a tow.
As a model Y owner, I find that it is overall great. The one thing most lacking for me is Waze. Here in NYC there are many speed cameras set at 25 mph and it is easy to do 35 or 36 and get a ticket. The best way is to keep Waze running on your phone on the charger and have alerts audible. The speed and braking is awesome while being the safest car I have ever owned. The screen is all that you need and very responsive. I have never had to reboot the screen or the car in 1500 miles so far so I am not sure what the author is talking about. The range is definitely more like 250 miles and not 325 as rated so that is fair. It is fantastic and alien technology. I certainly would buy it again. All the others follow Tesla.
NYC has speed cameras?🤔 never knew this before
@@edwardvalivonis23 many,many speed cameras set for very low speeds. It is a simple money grab and doesn’t increase safety as people often hit their brakes suddenly if they see them a little bit too late.
@@idocmirk are you living in NYC? What are speed limits?
@@edwardvalivonis23 25 mph on most roads, even some 3 lane roads.
@@idocmirk that's bad