More complicated than that. Due to marketing and label laws there are exactly 44 different names for refined sugar, which is the real poison. Natural Sugar is fine. It’s not just obesity this causes, it causes visceral fat to collect in the core. This strangles and squeezes your organs and forces them to work much harder to do the same jobs. This causes type 2 diabetes, Gerd, Gout, sleep apnea, HBP, so on and so forth. Obesity isn’t the issue, it’s the issues that come with that visceral fat. And even if you cut out high fructose corn syrup, the other 43 are still hidden in your ingredients. In your fat free foods, gluten free, “sugar free” (just means free of natural sugar, refined may still be there) and all your other foods are loaded with this man made chemical. White flour is another. Both register in the body the same way.
@@DV-zv4ox that's pretty ironic coming from someone that made a completely irrelevant reply to OP's initial comment. If you're much of an adult yourself I think you'd know weight loss has many factors involved, exercise is far down on the list of that, OP never said exercise alone triggers weight loss. You perhaps need to go back to school to learn some comprehension skills.
When we say sugar , does that even include the Pizzas and Macaroni Cheese ? Obviously we have no data that sugar is bad for you , but you will expect to live healthier with no refined sugar intake. Fruits got all the sugars you need.
@@DV-zv4ox you sound pretty dumb i work with insulin resistant clients and all of them have lost weight once we put them in an actual calorie deficit, its harder but it still comes down to energy balance.
Congratulation, you just realized everyone is full of shit. That's why anyone worth their weight will tell you to look it up yourself. People use data and science to push their arguments, I do the same thing all the time, we're all dumb.
Sugar is addictive, I was addicted to it myself. It's there for you when you're stressed and it never fills you up so you keep eating more and more. It is a cause of obesity
every time someone says they're addicted to sugar we look at the "sugary" food and it contains tons of FAT calories, just you only blame sugar. You are addicted to sugar AND fat
@@curl3v252 I was eating raw sugar. Straight tablespoons. I was eating 500 grams a day. Had to go to therapy to quit. You speak like an addict. I hope you find peace. God willing.
Moe “Oh but all your ways are wrong. This is the proper way. Although I don’t know if the group I’m talking about did it the proper way either” A real wtf moment there
Lmao yeah no, there’s like a lot smarter than Rhonda PAtrick. When you enter the fitness industry you’ll see that there’s a lot smarter people Out there and they aren’t getting the spot light they deserve
Let’s be clear: sugar is a broad term. The following are all sugars glucose fructose galactose Dextrose (lots of glucose) Sucrose (aka Table Sugar, fructose & glucose molecules) HFCS (more fructose than glucose) Fiber/cellulose (glucose linked together)
NO! SUGAR is CARBS! Its super easy just google it! What you are referring to is SUCROSE!!!! Sucrose is a disaccharide made up of glucose and fructose. All of the above you mentioning are carbs! Please dude you are confusing everyone with words here! CARBS ARE SUGAR, SUGAR ARE CARBS Use google people!
I think they’ve missed a huge point in their arguments, yes sugar intake has lowered but so has people’s activity from having access to the internet and social media’s...
s 9 HFCS is a sugar. It’s not the fact that you’re eating HFCS. It’s the prevalence and quantity of sugar in all foods now. About 99.9% of food items that pass through a factory before hitting grocery stores has some type of sugar added to it. They add it for flavor or for preservation. They add it to everything.
Yea I find it hard to believe that people are in taking less sugar when it's literally in everything nowadays. He must be talking about traditional cane sugar or something right??
I wonder if the reason a hunter gatherer tribe that eats ''american'' levels of sugar might be 1: they don't eat american levels of everything else and 2: might not be passive as fuuuk
@Illusion Not the point. Though I do not know if the life expectancy number cited is accurate; what I do know is that a population with a life expectancy of 33 would not be valid study group for any long term health problems as the fact that they died would prevent from developing them once past their physical prime.
@Illusion Are you asking that question as a point of rhetoric, making a counter-argument to David Bello? because the reality is that the answer to that question is _WHY_ Hadza aren't a perfect example. Have you heard of survivorship bias? Hadza aren't living long enough to get as overweight or diabetic. How many type-2 diabetics do you know that are under 33 years age? In addition, people have a tendency to not start getting overweight until they hit later years in their life (30, 40, even 60). That said, this does not completely invalidate it though. For instance young obesity is still a very real and very significant thing, and it's growing relatively fast. So with regards to obesity in younger people (children and younger adults), it would still seem perfectly valid. Not for diabetes though, since that tends to take more time to develop (if that study was even looking at diabetes at all; I don't know if it was)
That's the difference between real science and pseudo-science... He was claiming things as 'correct' with no evidence or attempt to falsify. It isn't 'correct' just because it's not proven. Take a philosophy of science course and you'll realise your mistake.
@baby pink youngjae agenda Well, once you understand that science doesn't attempt to prove what is true, it only attempts to prove what is false, then it changes how you approach science in general.
@@neoepicurean3772 that explains "climate change science" perfectly. The whole thing relies on a rise in co2 levels being a completely negative thing and the claim is constantly that the science is settled but that simply isn't true. Science should rarely be settled and is always open for review
@@codygpx14 Climate science is very much pseudo-science. It would be untrue to say that ALL real science rejects what has been proven to be false by empirical findings, as there are cases where some theories have been successfully salvaged: but climate predications are nearly always wrong and whatever empirical data doesn't fit the theory is ignored. Everyone is science knows it's a scam, but they are all keeping quiet about it: don't wanna cut off a major source of funding to science departments.
"sugar makes you fat" "these guys eat sugar and aren't fat" "well, if you actually look at the data and realize the way they came up with these conclusions..." "hahaha no"
As a very fit 23yo, I rode my mountain bike from Indiana to Oregon, sometimes going over 100 miles a day. Because of my thoughts about calories and the hunger I experienced, I would fill up on, lil Debbie brownies, pop tarts, sometimes ice cream, and many would think biking so much that I couldn’t gain weight. However I ended the tour much larger and fatter than before. I’ve since done two more of equal distance and I always gain weight when binging sugar, even when doing high caloric days nonstop.
That reminds me of my early 20s as well. Living in Oregon, mountain biking every day- super fit. My diet was terrible, drank multiple cokes a day. But since I was fit and not gaining weight, I thought I was ok. Well, when I went to the dentist I had four cavities and my blood sugar measured as pre-diabetic. Even when your weight isn't high, diet is important
High Fructose Corn Syrup usage in foods/beverages has increased exponentially. Constant insulin spikes and high simple carb intake has been a problem (it impedes lipolysis, HGH production and causes stress in the cellular level) in the last 3 decades.
I'm also curious about the definition of "sugar" in this study. High- starch carbs turn quickly into sugar, and artificial sweeteners also trigger rise in insulin. Regarding obesity, that can be because of all sorts of things that the body stores as excess "poison" such as unchecked cortisol and insulin... With regards to comparing hunter/ gatherer societies and our definition of a modern society, that's lazy shit "research."
Younger guy is very smug. Also, there has to be significant difference between processed and industrial grade sweeteners, than naturally harvested honey and fruit.
all i know is i did no sugar as low as 3 carbs a day, yet ate till i was full with high protien/fat, sausage eggs bacon every morning, fat head dough pizza creamcheese based. went from 235 to 175 with minimal exorcise outside of work, was def intaking more 'calories' than burning. this was about a full year of keto, it didn't even feel like a 'diet' in the traditional sense, didnt restrict myself. just no sugar bread pasta potatos corn. my two carb exceptions were coffee creamer, and tomatoes.
St. Toma 3 carbs a day...you better not get up to 5 man 😂....seriously tho, that’s good stuff...I try to keep under 25 via leafy greens and the 4 berries...that’s it...not really looking to lose too much weight really..maybe 7 lbs to get to 190 lbs...I dunno, I like being 200 but low BF%
Joe: "12% body fat? That's higher than me!." Yes Joe. Because you're on TRT and have a plethora of resources, including an on-site gym where you work. Not to mention you work out more than probably 90% of people, regardless of what nation they're from. Also, you have said before the majority of the meat you eat is lean. Hunter gatherers with slightly higher bodyfat %s just mean they're successful.
There is always an excuse for people like you, isnt there? Maybe you should try gaming a little less and instead focusing on improving yourself. You know, if that is what you want? Or maybe you just needed to project an excuse.
There is a confusion between different body fat measurements which they don't address. When you measure your body fat with calipers you're measuring your subcutaneous BF% (body fat deposits under your skin). When you use the underwater weighing and more accurate measurements you're measuring total body fat % which includes around organs etc and is obviously higher. The BF% you get from electrical resistance (the handle things he talks about/scales you stand on at home) is the most inaccurate way to measure and is easily influenced by hydration rates etc and is not used by anyone serious. When athletes and bodybuilders talk about their BF% they most of the time use the first measurement because that's what they use and is easiest for them to track. They talk about being at 8% body fat to see abs and bodybuilders getting to 4% or lower for competition. Where as if you were at sub 4 total BF % you'd be dead. When scientist talk BF% they usually use the other, which leads to confusion.
Decreased over the last 20 years? Have you been to a grocery store? Lol. Sugar is literally in 90% of the products. As an additional, natural, or carb. It's insane. On a side note. Keto changed my life. Lost 50 lbs and still going. I'm no longer pre diabetic. My blood pressure is decreasing. I look and feel great again.
I used to drink soda. I switched to seltzer-lemon flavor, for a month, and never went back. I didnt care for it at first, but now that im used to it, whenever I try a soda, it tastes bad to me... Its what youre used to.. dont let them get you
@@Da85vid96 sometimes you can do experiments yourself by quitting alcohol or coffee or sugar for a month, and if you like it better, just keep it that way.
@@Subfightr Oh yea? Is it now? Most Americans are working 2 jobs with kids. What's easier man. Cracking open a sealed dinner to eat real quick and head back to work? Or being poor and still eating like shit? Hearing the term lazy American always makes me laugh when we work some of the highest hours in the world. MOST Americans just don't have time and $$ to properly shop healthy and eat healthy. Mix that with unhealthy faster options. It's a recipe for obesity.
Overly processed foods cause obsesity. I stopped eating processed foods and have dropped 30lbs without decreasing my calories or changing up my workouts at the gym
i think it all has to do with how your insulin spikes.. eat a lot of sugar with a lot of fiber and you will be fine.. i hate hearing people talk about how much sugar is in fruit.. *face palm*
Fructose can't be metabolized by your cells. So it strains the liver and the excess spills over into fat which gives you a huge belly. I got super obese growing up in the 80s eating McDonald's, DQ, etc. I lost 150 lbs eating low carb. No exercise. Had glomerulonephritis back in 2015. Low carb repaired my kidneys and cured my fatty liver. Blood markers are stellar after dropping that weight and all sugars. Can't really have an opinion unless you were morbidly obese and have seen that no matter the exercise or cleaner diet, you won't lose weight unless you resolve the underlining metabolic syndrome.
@@Aziarx i lost about 60lbs (and kept it off) from eating a plant based diet and running and quit drinking... every morning i drink a massive smoothie consisting of about 1400 calories and god only knows how much sugar.. i will never argue what diet is better because for everyone it is different and their body composition is made up of many contributing factors.. for me i think i liked the high carb low fat diet because i was use to consuming a lot of alcohol and really craved the sugar.. but i feel the healthiest i have ever been in years and maybe you do too doing something completely different.. you have to do what works for you and what you can keep doing for the rest of your life because what is the point of getting it off if you cant keep it off??
@@philipmemm LOL, this "sugar is bad" shit is being used to bash veganism too. "Too much" fruit juice is bad, "too many" fruits are also bad because they have lots of sugar! 😂
Caley P dude yes it does... there’s a direct correlation with body fat percentage and illness. Obviously this isn’t true for every case, but most of the time this IS the case.
It is not a story. Epigenetics shows obesity can be inherited both through biological and non-biological parents. Environment plays such a great role in shaping us. Almost everything we are doing in modern world contributes in some way towards obesity.
@undertakersarmpit The science isn't backing you. It's just a case of people being 'normal' weight but lots of fat on the inside. If someone is skinny and no fat around the organs it'll be type 1 diabetes.
@@neoepicurean3772 good that you mention that. if you naturally store fat intra-abdominally then you might look not very fat but still carry that risk factor with you
Possible, but that's not because you ate less sugar per se. It's because your calorie intake went down. If you lowered your caloric intake by the same amount in fat, you would have lost just as much. That's the point Guyenet is trying to make.
@@tompeeters671 How would he feel or function if he had done that? If he consumed the same amount of sugar and lowered regular food? Would that even be sustainable? Wouldn't he get energy drops, wouldn't he get more hungry than to ditch sugar instead? He would. That's the point. Sugar is the issue. Indirectly, if not directly. ;)
@@mbaksa that's not the point. Sugar calories are not inherently more fattening. Yes, they make you more hungry, but as Guyenet says, that's because of the high reward value it has. Sugar releases dopamine which causes you to eat more. So like Guyenet says, it's because of the brain, not insulin like Taubes says. Sugar is shitty food, it causes you to eat more but eating the same calories of carbohydrate will not make you fatter than the same calories in fat
@@tompeeters671 Why do you hang on "all the calories are the same" so much since the issue is that sugar will make you more hungry on the same amount of total calories, and will create energy drops (because of insulin, which promotes fattening, and prevents for body to use stored fat), which will cause you to eat more food, and thus gain weight? If you restrict your calories, eating sugar will make you feel weaker because of insulin spikes, and hungrier. You will feel bad, much worse than if you lowered sugar instead of fat/protein intake. So you wont be able to stick to that diet. So what if sugar itself is not the direct cause of obesity (calories are)? It is indirect cause of obesity, because it makes you hard or, for fat and obese people, basically impossible to restrict calories! Excess consumed calories can be a direct consequence of sugar consumption, because sugar makes you hungrier and low energy on a longer timespan! Isn't it then fair to say that sugar can cause obesity?
It's because there has been an increased consumption of polyunsaturated fat. In the 1950, most burgers were made with beef tallow, and chocolate and candy were made with coconut oil. It's the vegetable oils that are making us fat.
Philosophy Lines maybe it has but only at a level where it has made obesity/overweight issues stagnate,at best, but not enough to change the situation we’re in
Ryan Agar you do realize that natural honey is not the same fucking thing as refined sugar. This idiot thinks eating a banana with 20g sugar is the same as putting 20gs sugar in a soda .
@@doesitmatter3788 What's the difference between naturally occuring sugar in honey and refined sugar? I know the sugar in fruits is digested differently due to fiber intake that comes with it but how is honey different to refined sugar besides a couple vitamines and whatever else the bees pooped out?
@@doesitmatter3788 because it literally is. 20g of carbs from a banana and 20g of carbs is the same thing. The problem lies in over consumption of calories which is caused by the fact that 20g of sugar in a soda is a whole lot less filling than 20g of sugar in a banana so you'll drink more soda
Virtually all that matters for weight gain/loss is calorie intake. This is simply the First Law of Thermodynamics: if you take in more energy (calories) than you use, you will gain weight (stored energy); if you take in less energy than you use, you will lose weight. Sugar doesn't magically negate the laws of physics.
If "sugar" goes down and other carbs go up, do they still say sugar is going down??? So if I stop drinking soda/soft drinks every day but I replace those calories with pasta or rice or bread and take in the same amount of calories, does it make any difference???
I think Gary’s take is interesting and respectable with his background in study skepticism, the 20 to 16 analogy is good, and clearly the sugars we use now are increasingly more toxic. Sugar and insulin resistance are very clearly making everyone fat, idk how you argue otherwise I definitely think all of these hormonal, the lipid process, etc, certainly all happens in the gut and the brain. The gut has its own nervous system and sends information as well, just like the. Brain. Definitely, without a doubt it’s brain pathways and cycles getting fucked up by toxins, food allergens, shit diet, vitamin deficiency, etc. not some genetic code in your fat cells dictating to you to gain weight as Gary implies. Completely in the brain and the gut..
These guys, but especially the younger one, both illustrate what is wrong with academia and why someone like Joe is more popular than they ever will be.
how??? The young dude was just stating facts. The fact that joe, an arrogant conspiracy thoerist idiot, is more popular tells me everything I need to know about you.
I heard a questionable anecdote about how the BMI in Japan rose for the first time when McDonalds showed up. The medical community pointed to the use of milk in the ice cream products. McDonalds ice cream menu items do not use cream, but milk, and adult Japanese do not have a history of consuming milk. Their bodies were not used to processing milk. This caused some confusion because ice cream is normally made from cream, and nobody could see why this would be a problem. Now it seems likely that it is the reduction in fat content that causes obesity. I never purchase lite versions of dairy products anymore. Full fat for me.
It is usually always in very high calories foods. When combine with fat and carbs it becomes a very high calorie food. Then add on the glucose spike it is just plainly not good for you.
It’s definitely about base insulin levels and insulin resistance as a cause of obesity. Which is linked to carb intake and metabolism even if all carbs are not the same...
Honey contributes to weight game the same amount as HFCS or table sugar does. Honey contributes to diabetes roughly the same amount as HFCS/table-sugar. The only major difference is that honey has some maltose in it in addition to the F and G, which cold slightly impact it's effect on diabetes. Also keep in mind that fruits vary quite wildly in their fructose and glucose amounts, and are not always near 1:1 ratios like sucrose (table sugar) or HFCS is.
Excessive consumption of any form of calories causes obesity; sugar just has the added effect that when consumed in excess, elevating blood sugar levels, one of the ways that insulin brings blood sugar levels down is (in simplistic terms) to remove that sugar and store it in your cells as adipose tissue (fat). Sugar doesn't cause obesity, over consumption (in particular of sugar) and/or a sustained calorie surplus does.
soon as you completely stop drinking sodas and juices for a while by just sticking with water... you realize how sugary EVERYTHING is.... even orange juice turns into a dessert. 8oz is plenty. Stretch it with water.
Since roughly the year 2000, yes, sugar consumption in the U.S. has declined. It's not hard to find that evidence. Now keep in mind, even with the 19 year decline, that is still much, much more than we were eating 40, 70, 100 years ago.
HFCS contributes to weight the same amount as any other sugar sources (ex tree syrup, plant syrup, fruit juice, cane/beet sugar, hone, etc.). HFCS contributes roughly the same amount to diabetes as any other sugar sources (variance exists in different ratios of fructose to glucose though, but that won't change things too much) The type/source of sugar that they consume is _not_ causal to their weight. It it extremely well documented that all types of sugars (well the main ones, obviously not stuff like sucralose) contain the same amount of calories and will contribute to weight gain in the same amount. People who bash HFCS have little to no understanding or appreciation for science or facts.
Short answer, no sugar does not cause obesity, being in a caloric surplus causes obesity. I could lose weight(fat) by eating candy as long as I were in a caloric deficit, is this at all ideal? No but it could be done to prove this point.
just an anecdote, I cut sugar from my diet a year ago, lost 20 pounds, didn't eat fewer calories, didn't exercise more (or much at all). I also cut any sugar substitutes which is very important because it resets your taste buds.
Yes it does. As far as white, processed refined sugar that is in almost anything packaged in stores, yes. I was 300 pounds in 2017. I completely cut out sugar and other sugary processed foods, from snacks to as simple as coffee creamer. Lifted and did HIIT. the weight melted off. Lost 50lbs in 3 months. Lost 100 lbs by the summer of 2018. Now I am sitting here in a squad bay at my MOS School as a US Marine. I can tell you yes, white refined sugar is a very large factor in obesity. It's tough too because it is so goddamn addicting and cheap. And yes high fructose corn syrup aswell. The more raw and unprocessed things you consume, the better you will be health wise and body weight wise.
Wow, the only reasonable comment I’ve seen so far. Can anybody explain why so many people have such an attachment to the idea that sugar inherently causes obesity?
Thank you it’s pretty simple 4 calories for every gram of sugar. When most people drink multiple sugary drinks with over 50-60 grams of sugar every day it’s pretty easy to add a bunch of calories to your daily intake. Extra calories left over stores as fat, the fatter you get the more susceptible you are to obese related diseases.
@@NathanDoyle11 I think its just that magic pill idea. It's sounds sexier than "eat less move more" I'd say the psychology behind it is the complicated matter. There isn't really a dispute in the research as to how to loose weight. The problem is adherence.
Ryan Agar yeah the psychology of it is fascinating, being that the data seem pretty clear from what I can tell For some reason the ratio of carbs:fat in someone’s diet seems to be about as polarising as a trump rally. I get that it’s easier to blame everything on one evil food group rather than taking responsibility for overeating in general, but I don’t understand how it became so widely accepted being that there simply isn’t direct evidence to suggest it’s true.
@@NathanDoyle11 I think this video sums it up, this guy is trying to make money off selling a story in a book, just like news articles misrepresent everything to make it sell, and everyone is left with illinformed opinions on these things. I'll stick to get shredded whilst enjoying my food 🤣
My first thought: What about all those 'unnamed sugars' which get called stuff like "grape concentrate"? I know that in my country, those don't get counted as "sugar" even though they 100% are. They can come under any name as it's new enough that it's not included in any laws. That's a lot of sugar intake of which I'm sure that doesn't get calculated into those statistics. I myself quit (non-natural) sugars for about 1 month and lost 10kg. I didn't last too long without sugar (boring life, ya know) and I gained the weight back soon enough, but it is definitely something I noticed.
Nope. You're eating less calories. And it doesn't seem like a big deal, since you were drinking calories, but I bet you're not eating 100s 9f calories a day anymore
Went on Keto at the beginning of the year, which caused me to cut out virtually all sugar from my diet. The only sugar consumed has been erythritol and aspartame. I've lost nearly 30 pounds. So forgive me, but based on my own personal experience, I contribute a large amount of my weight loss to cutting out all the sugar i used to consume as part of a "Standard American Diet." Read the Sugar Papers (www.ucsf.edu/news/2016/09/404081/sugar-papers-reveal-industry-role-shifting-national-heart-disease-focus). Watch "That Sugar Film". Sugar is horrible for you. In small quantities it can be fine, but over 40g a day? No. Not good.
Obesity rates increasing in the U.S. has a lot to do with an aging society as well. Making simple comparisons of slopes on a chart doesn't exactly examine the full picture of a situation. There are WAY too many factors in a society's cross section sample to chalk anything up to one factor.
@@jesyra, anyone who takes a stance on an issue has been paid by an industry positively associated with the issue according to many social media users. I guess scepticism is healthy but I rarely see proof of assertions.
We’re actually eating more sugar than ever before. Sugar comes in many forms. But the main reason sugar as in a bag of actual sugar is going down is because sugar has been replaced by something cheaper and even more sinister for the body, which is high fructose corn syrup! Processed foods use high fructose corn syrup and we are eating more and more processed foods and if you read the label almost everything has high fructose corn syrup, which is in fact, sugar!
The Standard American Diet is loaded with sugar. I am not talking about free sugar. I am talking about all the packaged foods that use these chemicals that are sugar derivitives . Fruit is loaded with Fructose sugar. Milk is loaded with sugar. Sugar is put in most everything as a flavor enhancer
Yeah but if the rest of their diet doesn't change they won't lose weight, fat people are fat because of overeating or either disease or, ironicly enough, medicine. Ever watched the show secret eaters?
@@MeanBeanComedy how muxh calories a day if they drink 1 bottle of soda a day vs 1 bottle of diet soda? They still gonna be overweight only 4 pounds less. Soda's and sugar is not the biggest problem fat people have!
True but the types of food you eat will change the way your body metabolizes(calories out). So if you ate 2000 calories of ice cream, soda and candy for a year, compared to 2000 calories of quality whole foods, your body composition and it’s metabolism will be completely different. Not to mention a plethora of other complications.
@@jethrotool4828 as pertaining to sheer fat loss, wait. I say again - sheer fat loss. As pertaining to sheer fat loss, no matter the types of foods u eat, if what u eat is in excess of your TDEE, u.will.not.lose.fat. (outliers of people with medical conditions aside). Good luck trying to lose weight by eating "whole," "clean" foods in excess of your TDEE!
There is no way sugar consumption has been decreasing for 50 years in the UK. It’s not possible. People were dirt poor in the UK 50 years ago, we couldn’t afford many sweets and drinks. The past few years sure, with the sugar tax making people choose diet soft drinks but I call BS. We don’t have high fructose corn syrup here either.
All in all, you have a point, Jay. "Sugar" is too broad a term in this case, because the specific list of sugars that are reported, studied, or concerned changes from one study to another. It's part of what feeds this whole "Corn Syrup isn't even sugar" narrative that gets memed and trolled from time to time... A fairly useful (not exactly perfect) guide is that ANY chemical name that ends with "-ose" is probably a sugar... AND it's probably listed in the "credible studies" at least. Examples range from Glucose, Fructose, and Cellulose, all the way to Dextrose and further. Artificial sweeteners, are a bit different. Splenda (for instance) is an alcohol related sugar -ish... thing. And there are several others. Alcohol is also technically a "sugar" according to chemists... at least at the chemical engineering level. AND for what it's worth, it doesn't (to my knowledge) matter whether it's Isopropyl, Methyl, or Ethyl. Finally, while we're here... On metabolism... While most sugars are metabolized fairly quickly for short quick bursts of caloric energy (you know, the stuff you supposedly "run" on?) they don't exactly break down exactly alike. There are a few more or less steps from one to the next, depending on complexity of the sugar in question. This is why you can get a very quick flurry of energy out of a honey-based candy bar (lots of simple glucose). Honey's special for having such a simple chemical signature structure, it takes about 8 minutes to hit the bloodstream. WHILE starch, a fairly dense and complicated chain of sugars takes longer, and even uses more energy to break down, which is part of why you get the "coma" after eating a heavily pasta related meal (unless you get over-sweetened sauce)... I (for one) eat TONS of friggin' noodles, just about any and every variety of noodle or pasta related thing, and I'm on the order of 30 pounds underweight... BUT I also do a LOT of physical activity, working with hand-tools as much as possible. (more art/craft reason than health)... SO there's that. ;o)
pudgywudgy Clearly. I really don’t understand how people can have these dogmas against carbohydrates and talk about them being the root of all evil and fat people in the world when BILLIONS of the skinniest people on the planet (Asians/Indians) eat diets that are heavily dominant in simple carbs, white rice. Not to mention, Rice is one the easiest foods to digest with virtually no food allergies and then you look at dairy, which nearly 1/2 of the world’s population are allergic to; and you can make yourself allergic to it by simply not eating it for a month or two.
It's important to recognize that he's saying sugar alone isn't solely responsible. As in a high sugar diet doesn't automatically cause obesity, but that a sedentary lifestyle COMBINED with a poor diet brings about obesity.
Shoot Right Here no thats wrong, cause many eat shit and workout everyday But are FAT buff.... Peter attia, myself, and many others are a great example of this... Its the sugar
@@Dorkster81 let me guess, you started out fat and then started working out. Probably with not enough cardio. Let's not forget the possibility that you are just predisposed to being fat due to genetics.
Regarding HFCS, fructose is fructose no matter where it comes from. Fructose from from fruit is no better than fructose from corn syrup. It makes no difference to your body.
Old guy: "exercise doesn't have an effect on obesity" (paraphrased) @15:00 I think he's one of those guys who blindly shoots at sugar and disregards everything else
It seems nobody has mentioned the prevalence of fibre (as far as I can see) in the diets. I can’t quote any studies -so correct me if I’m wrong - but the average western diet has been seeing a marked decrease in the fibre levels, which correlate with the obesity increases. Also, fibre helps to slow glucose absorption, preventing sharp rises in blood sugar levels, potentially explaining why with lower sugar consumption in the west, obesity levels have continued to rise.
Sugar raises insulin level which causes the body to store it as fat. The more sugar in your body causes insulin resistance. In turn causing type 2 diabetes.
One was fantasising about how something could turn out in the future (somehow giving sugar to a population while keeping everything the same and seeing if things change 50-100 years) and the other was talking about something that has already happened. Something you, Gary and a lot of others are missing out on, evidence.
@@davidsheridan6323 The point would be to look at the Correlation between vegans/vegetarians and obesity, Dave. Then extrapolate the positives... Way to go off topic, Dave.
Great discussion! I think that sitting 9 hours a day in an office does make you fat if you don't change your food intake accordingly or if you don't exercise enough!
I'm shocked nobody points out the fact that this guy is equating natural Honey to processed refined sugars and high fructose syrup? That's a BIG difference that nobody addressed. That's like drinking water from a mud puddle compared to purified water. Ridiculous.
HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP there I saved you 22 mins.
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But honey and fruit appear safe, therefore sugar in all forms is safe.
Sin Stalker over consumption of food causes obesity not sugar directly but the foods these obese people consume has a high concentration of sugar
More complicated than that. Due to marketing and label laws there are exactly 44 different names for refined sugar, which is the real poison. Natural Sugar is fine. It’s not just obesity this causes, it causes visceral fat to collect in the core. This strangles and squeezes your organs and forces them to work much harder to do the same jobs. This causes type 2 diabetes, Gerd, Gout, sleep apnea, HBP, so on and so forth. Obesity isn’t the issue, it’s the issues that come with that visceral fat. And even if you cut out high fructose corn syrup, the other 43 are still hidden in your ingredients. In your fat free foods, gluten free, “sugar free” (just means free of natural sugar, refined may still be there) and all your other foods are loaded with this man made chemical. White flour is another. Both register in the body the same way.
It's really hard to take someone seriously when they continuously say "It's on my blog"
His blog has sources.
@@jesusmiguel1560 I'm sure it does, I think it's a funny thing to say over and over again in a scientific debate
I agree with this. The proof is on my blog.
I disagree with your comment. The reason why is on my blog.
My blog can beat up your blog!
Here’s a bright idea. Eat real food in moderate amounts and exercise daily. No fast food, no soda. The end.
@@DV-zv4ox does OP say "just exercise" to trigger weight loss? Does OP even mention weight loss?
Most people eat unhealthy food in excess and think that they are eating real food in moderation.
@@DV-zv4ox that's pretty ironic coming from someone that made a completely irrelevant reply to OP's initial comment. If you're much of an adult yourself I think you'd know weight loss has many factors involved, exercise is far down on the list of that, OP never said exercise alone triggers weight loss. You perhaps need to go back to school to learn some comprehension skills.
When we say sugar , does that even include the Pizzas and Macaroni Cheese ? Obviously we have no data that sugar is bad for you , but you will expect to live healthier with no refined sugar intake. Fruits got all the sugars you need.
@@DV-zv4ox you sound pretty dumb i work with insulin resistant clients and all of them have lost weight once we put them in an actual calorie deficit, its harder but it still comes down to energy balance.
Sugar caused building 7 to collapse
2 years late but underrated comment
Brilliant
😂😂😂😂
"Are they underwater weighing these people on this island ?" Damn Joe with the comebacks 🔥
Thats what he asked joe dingus
he got em wit that one... lol..
👏👏
People always say Joe isnt funny, he makes me laugh
The underwater method isn't even the most accurate lol
I can't get over their overwhelming pretentious attitude.
karlwashere123 Its on my BLOOOOOOG merhehehrh
"Ghhhhaaaaaaaaarrrryyyyyy"
It's what I've always despised from academia.
@@bl4nkd4hli4 they have no idea how human metabolism works and just talk pretentious shit, they have no idea what food is chemically composed of.
Congratulation, you just realized everyone is full of shit.
That's why anyone worth their weight will tell you to look it up yourself.
People use data and science to push their arguments, I do the same thing all the time, we're all dumb.
These guys have the most obnoxious speech patterns. There's scientific evidence that they're obnoxious; it's on my blog.
Right? Thank you! Between the two, this is very hard to listen to.
Both are extremely obnoxious in their own special obnoxious ways.
Joe "I did this sober October fitness challenge with my friends... during October" Rogan
I do it every year, but i've only done it the past 2
I need that T-shirt
Lmao
When you literally have public conversations with people for a living you're bound to repeat yourself and have it noticed.
Sugar is addictive, I was addicted to it myself. It's there for you when you're stressed and it never fills you up so you keep eating more and more. It is a cause of obesity
every time someone says they're addicted to sugar we look at the "sugary" food and it contains tons of FAT calories, just you only blame sugar. You are addicted to sugar AND fat
@@ArtieStern09exactly. They eat cake and think it’s 99% sugar.
Are you eating raw sugar? Probably not, cause you are not addicted. You are addicted to good food which also contains fat.
@@curl3v252 I was eating raw sugar. Straight tablespoons. I was eating 500 grams a day. Had to go to therapy to quit. You speak like an addict. I hope you find peace. God willing.
@@AZ-gs6hj That doesnt mean you were addicted, because sugar cant cause addiction.
Joe “I’ve had my body fat measured many ways” Rogan
Moe “Oh but all your ways are wrong. This is the proper way. Although I don’t know if the group I’m talking about did it the proper way either”
A real wtf moment there
Try again moe
This is one of the more funnier memes
Joe should have invited Dr. Rhonda Patrick to school both of these dudes.
I would pay money for that video
Haha I was thinking the same thing
Oh yea her episodes were amazing!
Lmao yeah no, there’s like a lot smarter than Rhonda PAtrick. When you enter the fitness industry you’ll see that there’s a lot smarter people
Out there and they aren’t getting the spot light they deserve
eddie bravo wouldve taken care of business with these two
Comment "We will criticize Joe no matter what he says" Section
Crossmoor Mafia Facts
People disrespect him 24/7 in the comments but they clearly must not be listening or watching the videos.
It's a meme to keep Joe Rogan in check. Too many celebrities get high and delusional on fame, so we do it because we love him.
@Illusion hes checking comments that's why hes been so centrist or holding his opinion and agreeing with the guest for the most part.
Let’s be clear: sugar is a broad term. The following are all sugars
glucose
fructose
galactose
Dextrose (lots of glucose)
Sucrose (aka Table Sugar, fructose & glucose molecules)
HFCS (more fructose than glucose)
Fiber/cellulose (glucose linked together)
Don't forget maltose
FootballJunkie lactose
You missed a shit ton. Is that all you know? I too could say some sugar names but I don't feel like bragging.
Aspertame has same fatty effect... aspertame is on the rise....you pompous ignorant fool
NO!
SUGAR is CARBS!
Its super easy just google it!
What you are referring to is SUCROSE!!!!
Sucrose is a disaccharide made up of glucose and fructose.
All of the above you mentioning are carbs!
Please dude you are confusing everyone with words here!
CARBS ARE SUGAR, SUGAR ARE CARBS
Use google people!
I think they’ve missed a huge point in their arguments, yes sugar intake has lowered but so has people’s activity from having access to the internet and social media’s...
this is an underrated comment
Joe kinda chimed that in in the middle when he was schooling young prick on body fat %s
Exactly!!!! People don’t understand this
Does this guy work for Nestle or something?
Because sugar was replaced with high fructose corn syrup
s 9 HFCS is a sugar. It’s not the fact that you’re eating HFCS. It’s the prevalence and quantity of sugar in all foods now. About 99.9% of food items that pass through a factory before hitting grocery stores has some type of sugar added to it.
They add it for flavor or for preservation. They add it to everything.
Same shit dingus sugar is sugar is sugar just have very little in form of fruits as u excercise thats it
@@UCKY5 it has a lot to do with refined grain foods metabolizing into fast acting glucose akin to that of sugar.
Yes. Sugar crack.
Yea I find it hard to believe that people are in taking less sugar when it's literally in everything nowadays. He must be talking about traditional cane sugar or something right??
I wonder if the reason a hunter gatherer tribe that eats ''american'' levels of sugar might be 1: they don't eat american levels of everything else and 2: might not be passive as fuuuk
2 guys who dont how to fight but definitely want to fight
Joe oughta daddy their asses and take em to his gym 'n teach em how to fight.
Those are the best fights to watch. No one really gets hurt and its funny to see two grown men slap eachother with windmill throws.
Can’t get past the smugness of the younger guy
daniel tosh vs count dooku
count dooku could use a shot of 50cc of honey himself. He sounds exhausted.
Hahahaha. Yes!
Holy fuck fuck, Exactly who they look like.
lmao
HAHAHAHA GOOD ONE!!
Daniel Tosh is funny, but he's a real jerk.
Stalin was just as bad as Hitler 😉
@@SolDizZo Naw, he was a good guy.😉
doesnt sound like tosh and doesnt really look like him.
At least he's not a hack like everyone who comes on this show not named Ari Shafir and Joey DIaz.
@@TheGtafreak77 das gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
People love to bring up the Hadza, but fail to mention they have a LIFE EXPECTANCY OF 33.
@Illusion Not the point. Though I do not know if the life expectancy number cited is accurate; what I do know is that a population with a life expectancy of 33 would not be valid study group for any long term health problems as the fact that they died would prevent from developing them once past their physical prime.
@Illusion
Are you asking that question as a point of rhetoric, making a counter-argument to David Bello? because the reality is that the answer to that question is _WHY_ Hadza aren't a perfect example. Have you heard of survivorship bias?
Hadza aren't living long enough to get as overweight or diabetic. How many type-2 diabetics do you know that are under 33 years age? In addition, people have a tendency to not start getting overweight until they hit later years in their life (30, 40, even 60).
That said, this does not completely invalidate it though. For instance young obesity is still a very real and very significant thing, and it's growing relatively fast. So with regards to obesity in younger people (children and younger adults), it would still seem perfectly valid. Not for diabetes though, since that tends to take more time to develop (if that study was even looking at diabetes at all; I don't know if it was)
“That’s not correct”, 2 mins later, “ I can’t say what your saying is not correct” 😂😂😂
That's the difference between real science and pseudo-science... He was claiming things as 'correct' with no evidence or attempt to falsify. It isn't 'correct' just because it's not proven. Take a philosophy of science course and you'll realise your mistake.
@baby pink youngjae agenda Well, once you understand that science doesn't attempt to prove what is true, it only attempts to prove what is false, then it changes how you approach science in general.
@@neoepicurean3772 that explains "climate change science" perfectly. The whole thing relies on a rise in co2 levels being a completely negative thing and the claim is constantly that the science is settled but that simply isn't true. Science should rarely be settled and is always open for review
@@codygpx14 Climate science is very much pseudo-science. It would be untrue to say that ALL real science rejects what has been proven to be false by empirical findings, as there are cases where some theories have been successfully salvaged: but climate predications are nearly always wrong and whatever empirical data doesn't fit the theory is ignored. Everyone is science knows it's a scam, but they are all keeping quiet about it: don't wanna cut off a major source of funding to science departments.
"sugar makes you fat"
"these guys eat sugar and aren't fat"
"well, if you actually look at the data and realize the way they came up with these conclusions..."
"hahaha no"
Yea he was very annoying. His face was also annoying. Amazing how those 2 things somehow always seem to go hand in hand
As a very fit 23yo, I rode my mountain bike from Indiana to Oregon, sometimes going over 100 miles a day. Because of my thoughts about calories and the hunger I experienced, I would fill up on, lil Debbie brownies, pop tarts, sometimes ice cream, and many would think biking so much that I couldn’t gain weight. However I ended the tour much larger and fatter than before. I’ve since done two more of equal distance and I always gain weight when binging sugar, even when doing high caloric days nonstop.
That reminds me of my early 20s as well. Living in Oregon, mountain biking every day- super fit. My diet was terrible, drank multiple cokes a day. But since I was fit and not gaining weight, I thought I was ok. Well, when I went to the dentist I had four cavities and my blood sugar measured as pre-diabetic. Even when your weight isn't high, diet is important
High Fructose Corn Syrup usage in foods/beverages has increased exponentially. Constant insulin spikes and high simple carb intake has been a problem (it impedes lipolysis, HGH production and causes stress in the cellular level) in the last 3 decades.
Looping Void absolutely, this guys has no clue
Yup. That molecule is mutated.
Pure cane sugar is not unhealthy on its own.
Exactly what I was going to say. There isn't REAL sugar in hardly anything anymore.
I'm also curious about the definition of "sugar" in this study. High- starch carbs turn quickly into sugar, and artificial sweeteners also trigger rise in insulin. Regarding obesity, that can be because of all sorts of things that the body stores as excess "poison" such as unchecked cortisol and insulin... With regards to comparing hunter/ gatherer societies and our definition of a modern society, that's lazy shit "research."
High amounts of “Real Sugar” (more than 25 grams a day) has the same effect of High Fructose corn syrup
Younger guy is very smug. Also, there has to be significant difference between processed and industrial grade sweeteners, than naturally harvested honey and fruit.
Yeah Tosh comes off as a real dick here
honey is being watered down now as well its not as healthy as it use to be
Kayla Scott agreed, but in the Congo I would think it’d be pretty pure.
@@treedillinger5801 is that seriously tosh.o? it doesnt really look like him.
@@MrWinklbauer yeh definitely. lets hope thier honey bees dont end up going the same way as the rest of worlds honey bees
all i know is i did no sugar as low as 3 carbs a day, yet ate till i was full with high protien/fat, sausage eggs bacon every morning, fat head dough pizza creamcheese based. went from 235 to 175 with minimal exorcise outside of work, was def intaking more 'calories' than burning.
this was about a full year of keto, it didn't even feel like a 'diet' in the traditional sense, didnt restrict myself. just no sugar bread pasta potatos corn. my two carb exceptions were coffee creamer, and tomatoes.
St. Toma dame ima try that
St. Toma 3 carbs a day...you better not get up to 5 man 😂....seriously tho, that’s good stuff...I try to keep under 25 via leafy greens and the 4 berries...that’s it...not really looking to lose too much weight really..maybe 7 lbs to get to 190 lbs...I dunno, I like being 200 but low BF%
Nerd beef is the best 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Joe: "12% body fat? That's higher than me!."
Yes Joe. Because you're on TRT and have a plethora of resources, including an on-site gym where you work. Not to mention you work out more than probably 90% of people, regardless of what nation they're from. Also, you have said before the majority of the meat you eat is lean.
Hunter gatherers with slightly higher bodyfat %s just mean they're successful.
There is always an excuse for people like you, isnt there? Maybe you should try gaming a little less and instead focusing on improving yourself. You know, if that is what you want? Or maybe you just needed to project an excuse.
Dude, i also game and im probably a lot more jacked than you. Not trying to feed any stereotypes. Im telling it to this guy how it is.
There is a confusion between different body fat measurements which they don't address. When you measure your body fat with calipers you're measuring your subcutaneous BF% (body fat deposits under your skin). When you use the underwater weighing and more accurate measurements you're measuring total body fat % which includes around organs etc and is obviously higher. The BF% you get from electrical resistance (the handle things he talks about/scales you stand on at home) is the most inaccurate way to measure and is easily influenced by hydration rates etc and is not used by anyone serious.
When athletes and bodybuilders talk about their BF% they most of the time use the first measurement because that's what they use and is easiest for them to track. They talk about being at 8% body fat to see abs and bodybuilders getting to 4% or lower for competition. Where as if you were at sub 4 total BF % you'd be dead. When scientist talk BF% they usually use the other, which leads to confusion.
Decreased over the last 20 years? Have you been to a grocery store? Lol. Sugar is literally in 90% of the products. As an additional, natural, or carb. It's insane.
On a side note. Keto changed my life. Lost 50 lbs and still going. I'm no longer pre diabetic. My blood pressure is decreasing. I look and feel great again.
Kyle Hauck congratulations that’s awesome! 💪😊
Well done man keep it up 💪
Kyle Hauck nice man
@@lulutheblackknight1972 you lost credibility when you called that guy a word that only dumb people use, just sayin
@@veggito13 i only lost credibility to the ppl that are overly sensitive and get triggered easily
I used to drink soda. I switched to seltzer-lemon flavor, for a month, and never went back. I didnt care for it at first, but now that im used to it, whenever I try a soda, it tastes bad to me... Its what youre used to.. dont let them get you
Azwel if you switched for a month and never went back, then didn’t you just switch? Like, why say a month?
@@Da85vid96 sometimes you can do experiments yourself by quitting alcohol or coffee or sugar for a month, and if you like it better, just keep it that way.
sugarless virgin mojitos are awesome, especially with improvising different slices of fruits to crush in it for variety
Too many people want easy answers to complex questions. Diet, exercise, lifestyle, environment, genetics all play a part, would be my notion.
I Donno man, "DONT EAT SO MUCH YOU LAZY AMERICAN FUCK!" is simple and correct.
@@Subfightr Oh yea? Is it now? Most Americans are working 2 jobs with kids. What's easier man. Cracking open a sealed dinner to eat real quick and head back to work? Or being poor and still eating like shit? Hearing the term lazy American always makes me laugh when we work some of the highest hours in the world.
MOST Americans just don't have time and $$ to properly shop healthy and eat healthy. Mix that with unhealthy faster options. It's a recipe for obesity.
"are they underwater weighing these people on this island?" lol
Everything is a poison, it just depends on a dosage.
Overly processed foods cause obsesity. I stopped eating processed foods and have dropped 30lbs without decreasing my calories or changing up my workouts at the gym
You decreased your calories without realizing it. Processed foods are generally very high calorically
i think it all has to do with how your insulin spikes.. eat a lot of sugar with a lot of fiber and you will be fine.. i hate hearing people talk about how much sugar is in fruit.. *face palm*
Fructose can't be metabolized by your cells. So it strains the liver and the excess spills over into fat which gives you a huge belly. I got super obese growing up in the 80s eating McDonald's, DQ, etc. I lost 150 lbs eating low carb. No exercise. Had glomerulonephritis back in 2015. Low carb repaired my kidneys and cured my fatty liver. Blood markers are stellar after dropping that weight and all sugars. Can't really have an opinion unless you were morbidly obese and have seen that no matter the exercise or cleaner diet, you won't lose weight unless you resolve the underlining metabolic syndrome.
@@Aziarx i lost about 60lbs (and kept it off) from eating a plant based diet and running and quit drinking... every morning i drink a massive smoothie consisting of about 1400 calories and god only knows how much sugar.. i will never argue what diet is better because for everyone it is different and their body composition is made up of many contributing factors.. for me i think i liked the high carb low fat diet because i was use to consuming a lot of alcohol and really craved the sugar.. but i feel the healthiest i have ever been in years and maybe you do too doing something completely different.. you have to do what works for you and what you can keep doing for the rest of your life because what is the point of getting it off if you cant keep it off??
@@philipmemm
LOL, this "sugar is bad" shit is being used to bash veganism too. "Too much" fruit juice is bad, "too many" fruits are also bad because they have lots of sugar! 😂
Wrong. What causes obesity is over eating calories. You can drink soda and still lose weight. Its about counting your calories
What the hell are you talking about. Just because you lose weight doesn’t mean you are in any way healthy?
Caley P dude yes it does... there’s a direct correlation with body fat percentage and illness. Obviously this isn’t true for every case, but most of the time this IS the case.
Ever heard of conservation mode?
RoyTards correlation not causation. The reason body fat percentages are often higher is due to overconsumption of carbs not calories.
Caley P FAKE NEWS
It is not a story. Epigenetics shows obesity can be inherited both through biological and non-biological parents. Environment plays such a great role in shaping us.
Almost everything we are doing in modern world contributes in some way towards obesity.
OVEREATING and INACTIVITY causes obesity. Period. Stupid debate.
Sugar doesnt give you diabetes. Too much sugar makes you fatter, which gives you diabetes
@@jambo5936 got two extremely skinny friends with diabetes. You're wrong
@@markusjger6111 There is type 1 diabetes :) I hope you're not talking about that.
@undertakersarmpit The science isn't backing you. It's just a case of people being 'normal' weight but lots of fat on the inside. If someone is skinny and no fat around the organs it'll be type 1 diabetes.
@@neoepicurean3772 good that you mention that. if you naturally store fat intra-abdominally then you might look not very fat but still carry that risk factor with you
40 days no sugar...allways been active, but the love handels grew. 40 daye and no sugar, and my body is changing day by day...4 the better! Norway
Possible, but that's not because you ate less sugar per se. It's because your calorie intake went down. If you lowered your caloric intake by the same amount in fat, you would have lost just as much. That's the point Guyenet is trying to make.
@@tompeeters671 How would he feel or function if he had done that? If he consumed the same amount of sugar and lowered regular food? Would that even be sustainable? Wouldn't he get energy drops, wouldn't he get more hungry than to ditch sugar instead? He would. That's the point. Sugar is the issue. Indirectly, if not directly. ;)
Just drink 2,000 calories in Vodka and your weight will be flying off ya
@@mbaksa that's not the point. Sugar calories are not inherently more fattening. Yes, they make you more hungry, but as Guyenet says, that's because of the high reward value it has. Sugar releases dopamine which causes you to eat more. So like Guyenet says, it's because of the brain, not insulin like Taubes says.
Sugar is shitty food, it causes you to eat more but eating the same calories of carbohydrate will not make you fatter than the same calories in fat
@@tompeeters671 Why do you hang on "all the calories are the same" so much since the issue is that sugar will make you more hungry on the same amount of total calories, and will create energy drops (because of insulin, which promotes fattening, and prevents for body to use stored fat), which will cause you to eat more food, and thus gain weight?
If you restrict your calories, eating sugar will make you feel weaker because of insulin spikes, and hungrier. You will feel bad, much worse than if you lowered sugar instead of fat/protein intake. So you wont be able to stick to that diet.
So what if sugar itself is not the direct cause of obesity (calories are)? It is indirect cause of obesity, because it makes you hard or, for fat and obese people, basically impossible to restrict calories! Excess consumed calories can be a direct consequence of sugar consumption, because sugar makes you hungrier and low energy on a longer timespan! Isn't it then fair to say that sugar can cause obesity?
These types of conversations are important.
Let's just have them with someone other than Stephan Guyenet.
Joe "A Friend Of Mine" Rogan
09:55 *JOE JUST CRACKED HIM WITH A HUUUUGE OVERHAND, HE'S ROCKED"
I hope they live stream his death rattle.... pretentious condescending wanker.
I loved that. When Joe rarely swings back but when he does it leaves em flustered! 😂
OOOHHH HE'S HURT! HE'S HURT!
It's because there has been an increased consumption of polyunsaturated fat. In the 1950, most burgers were made with beef tallow, and chocolate and candy were made with coconut oil. It's the vegetable oils that are making us fat.
Is he trying to claim sugar consumption has declined!!!
There are many other substitites for sugars now days, like corn syrup.
It has.
Philosophy Lines maybe it has but only at a level where it has made obesity/overweight issues stagnate,at best, but not enough to change the situation we’re in
@@franklogrim8510 Which is even worse. Granulated sugar is a compound of a glucose molecule and a fructose molecule.
Guess which one in more harmful.
Joe "I believe in science till it disagrees with my bias" Rogan
Ryan Agar you do realize that natural honey is not the same fucking thing as refined sugar. This idiot thinks eating a banana with 20g sugar is the same as putting 20gs sugar in a soda .
@@doesitmatter3788 What's the difference between naturally occuring sugar in honey and refined sugar? I know the sugar in fruits is digested differently due to fiber intake that comes with it but how is honey different to refined sugar besides a couple vitamines and whatever else the bees pooped out?
@@abeedhal6519 I think it might be complex carbs maybe?
@@doesitmatter3788 because it literally is. 20g of carbs from a banana and 20g of carbs is the same thing. The problem lies in over consumption of calories which is caused by the fact that 20g of sugar in a soda is a whole lot less filling than 20g of sugar in a banana so you'll drink more soda
@@doesitmatter3788 are you one of those charlatans who considers honey a superfood?
Also looking forward to your reply to the comment made earlier.
this comment section is pure cancer
Virtually all that matters for weight gain/loss is calorie intake. This is simply the First Law of Thermodynamics: if you take in more energy (calories) than you use, you will gain weight (stored energy); if you take in less energy than you use, you will lose weight. Sugar doesn't magically negate the laws of physics.
If "sugar" goes down and other carbs go up, do they still say sugar is going down???
So if I stop drinking soda/soft drinks every day but I replace those calories with pasta or rice or bread and take in the same amount of calories, does it make any difference???
It all turns into sugar in our blood anyway.
Does a bear shit in the woods?
Does the pope?
Does the pope like children?
Do you?
I am pretty sure the bear does.
Polar bears don't
I think Gary’s take is interesting and respectable with his background in study skepticism, the 20 to 16 analogy is good, and clearly the sugars we use now are increasingly more toxic. Sugar and insulin resistance are very clearly making everyone fat, idk how you argue otherwise
I definitely think all of these hormonal, the lipid process, etc, certainly all happens in the gut and the brain. The gut has its own nervous system and sends information as well, just like the. Brain. Definitely, without a doubt it’s brain pathways and cycles getting fucked up by toxins, food allergens, shit diet, vitamin deficiency, etc. not some genetic code in your fat cells dictating to you to gain weight as Gary implies. Completely in the brain and the gut..
These guys, but especially the younger one, both illustrate what is wrong with academia and why someone like Joe is more popular than they ever will be.
So true
how??? The young dude was just stating facts. The fact that joe, an arrogant conspiracy thoerist idiot, is more popular tells me everything I need to know about you.
I love how Joe schooled both of these self-proclaimed experts. That was epic.
he ddint school anybody tho...
Honey is not refined sugar, it is not High fructose corn syrup.
I recently cut sugar from my diet 6 weeks ago, and have lost 16lbs.
I heard a questionable anecdote about how the BMI in Japan rose for the first time when McDonalds showed up. The medical community pointed to the use of milk in the ice cream products. McDonalds ice cream menu items do not use cream, but milk, and adult Japanese do not have a history of consuming milk. Their bodies were not used to processing milk. This caused some confusion because ice cream is normally made from cream, and nobody could see why this would be a problem. Now it seems likely that it is the reduction in fat content that causes obesity. I never purchase lite versions of dairy products anymore. Full fat for me.
Yes sugar causes obesity. I cut sugar out of my diet and lost 60 pounds in 2 and 1/2 months.
It is usually always in very high calories foods. When combine with fat and carbs it becomes a very high calorie food. Then add on the glucose spike it is just plainly not good for you.
Honey isn't as detrimental as sugar/ high fructose corn syrup found in fruit juice/sodas. This kook is losing the debate...
The argument isn’t about high fructose corn syrup which everyone knows is bad for you.
It’s about sugar in general.
It’s definitely about base insulin levels and insulin resistance as a cause of obesity. Which is linked to carb intake and metabolism even if all carbs are not the same...
It's the same as hfcs.
Honey contributes to weight game the same amount as HFCS or table sugar does. Honey contributes to diabetes roughly the same amount as HFCS/table-sugar. The only major difference is that honey has some maltose in it in addition to the F and G, which cold slightly impact it's effect on diabetes.
Also keep in mind that fruits vary quite wildly in their fructose and glucose amounts, and are not always near 1:1 ratios like sucrose (table sugar) or HFCS is.
Excessive consumption of any form of calories causes obesity; sugar just has the added effect that when consumed in excess, elevating blood sugar levels, one of the ways that insulin brings blood sugar levels down is (in simplistic terms) to remove that sugar and store it in your cells as adipose tissue (fat). Sugar doesn't cause obesity, over consumption (in particular of sugar) and/or a sustained calorie surplus does.
soon as you completely stop drinking sodas and juices for a while by just sticking with water... you realize how sugary EVERYTHING is.... even orange juice turns into a dessert. 8oz is plenty. Stretch it with water.
Sugar intake has NOT declined in the US.
Studies disagree with you.
Studies, huh? Guess that’s the final word on it. . .
Since roughly the year 2000, yes, sugar consumption in the U.S. has declined. It's not hard to find that evidence. Now keep in mind, even with the 19 year decline, that is still much, much more than we were eating 40, 70, 100 years ago.
Sugar obviously declined ! who needs sugar man , I would go for Pizza and cheese burger instead of eating sweets.
“You can argue with the data.... but number 17 in my blog....”
i fructose corn syrup......its highly fattening. And it's in EVERYTHING. Jungle tribes arent eating highly refined sugar, corn syrup, etc etc....
Not the best comparison. Jungle tribes aren't getting vaccinated, should we also not get vaccinated? Lol
John Duff the case was about weight. Not vaccinations. He wasn’t saying they were a model for every sphere of life.
Ya’ll ain’t taking my Mountain Dew
HFCS contributes to weight the same amount as any other sugar sources (ex tree syrup, plant syrup, fruit juice, cane/beet sugar, hone, etc.). HFCS contributes roughly the same amount to diabetes as any other sugar sources (variance exists in different ratios of fructose to glucose though, but that won't change things too much)
The type/source of sugar that they consume is _not_ causal to their weight. It it extremely well documented that all types of sugars (well the main ones, obviously not stuff like sucralose) contain the same amount of calories and will contribute to weight gain in the same amount.
People who bash HFCS have little to no understanding or appreciation for science or facts.
@@Chris-eo1bp Correlation does not mean causation.
Short answer, no sugar does not cause obesity, being in a caloric surplus causes obesity. I could lose weight(fat) by eating candy as long as I were in a caloric deficit, is this at all ideal? No but it could be done to prove this point.
just an anecdote, I cut sugar from my diet a year ago, lost 20 pounds, didn't eat fewer calories, didn't exercise more (or much at all). I also cut any sugar substitutes which is very important because it resets your taste buds.
@Extreme Maybe but doubtful, my diet becomes very keto like, so high in fat which has lots of calories.
Yes it does. As far as white, processed refined sugar that is in almost anything packaged in stores, yes. I was 300 pounds in 2017. I completely cut out sugar and other sugary processed foods, from snacks to as simple as coffee creamer. Lifted and did HIIT. the weight melted off. Lost 50lbs in 3 months. Lost 100 lbs by the summer of 2018. Now I am sitting here in a squad bay at my MOS School as a US Marine. I can tell you yes, white refined sugar is a very large factor in obesity. It's tough too because it is so goddamn addicting and cheap. And yes high fructose corn syrup aswell. The more raw and unprocessed things you consume, the better you will be health wise and body weight wise.
Someone get their boot
2 years late but, I hated the dude who plugs his blog, but my god did Gary just burry himself by saying physical activity doesn't matter. 14:44
Yeah that part was idiotic. They both have some good and bad points.
I don't think his goal is trying to plug his blog, I think his goal is to help win the argument by mentioning references to scientific papers.
Sugar = easily consumed calories = higher calorie consumption. The end.
Wow, the only reasonable comment I’ve seen so far.
Can anybody explain why so many people have such an attachment to the idea that sugar inherently causes obesity?
Thank you it’s pretty simple 4 calories for every gram of sugar. When most people drink multiple sugary drinks with over 50-60 grams of sugar every day it’s pretty easy to add a bunch of calories to your daily intake. Extra calories left over stores as fat, the fatter you get the more susceptible you are to obese related diseases.
@@NathanDoyle11 I think its just that magic pill idea. It's sounds sexier than "eat less move more" I'd say the psychology behind it is the complicated matter. There isn't really a dispute in the research as to how to loose weight. The problem is adherence.
Ryan Agar yeah the psychology of it is fascinating, being that the data seem pretty clear from what I can tell For some reason the ratio of carbs:fat in someone’s diet seems to be about as polarising as a trump rally.
I get that it’s easier to blame everything on one evil food group rather than taking responsibility for overeating in general, but I don’t understand how it became so widely accepted being that there simply isn’t direct evidence to suggest it’s true.
@@NathanDoyle11 I think this video sums it up, this guy is trying to make money off selling a story in a book, just like news articles misrepresent everything to make it sell, and everyone is left with illinformed opinions on these things. I'll stick to get shredded whilst enjoying my food 🤣
sugar consumption is declining? yeah, there's no way I believe that-sugar/high fructose corn syrup is in everything!
You don’t? Look again.
My first thought:
What about all those 'unnamed sugars' which get called stuff like "grape concentrate"? I know that in my country, those don't get counted as "sugar" even though they 100% are. They can come under any name as it's new enough that it's not included in any laws. That's a lot of sugar intake of which I'm sure that doesn't get calculated into those statistics.
I myself quit (non-natural) sugars for about 1 month and lost 10kg. I didn't last too long without sugar (boring life, ya know) and I gained the weight back soon enough, but it is definitely something I noticed.
I've lost about 10lbs since I stopped drinking energy drinks but I'm not sure if those two things are related
Nope. You're eating less calories. And it doesn't seem like a big deal, since you were drinking calories, but I bet you're not eating 100s 9f calories a day anymore
@@jesusmiguel1560 yea I can see that lately just a lot of eggs potatoes bread n no energy drinks
9:35 I think that was a Scientology auditor bro
Added sugar/carbs are in everything.
Went on Keto at the beginning of the year, which caused me to cut out virtually all sugar from my diet. The only sugar consumed has been erythritol and aspartame. I've lost nearly 30 pounds. So forgive me, but based on my own personal experience, I contribute a large amount of my weight loss to cutting out all the sugar i used to consume as part of a "Standard American Diet." Read the Sugar Papers (www.ucsf.edu/news/2016/09/404081/sugar-papers-reveal-industry-role-shifting-national-heart-disease-focus). Watch "That Sugar Film". Sugar is horrible for you. In small quantities it can be fine, but over 40g a day? No. Not good.
Obesity rates increasing in the U.S. has a lot to do with an aging society as well. Making simple comparisons of slopes on a chart doesn't exactly examine the full picture of a situation. There are WAY too many factors in a society's cross section sample to chalk anything up to one factor.
This pro-sugar guy seems to be a bad faith actor, or he's just dumbed down by some sort of bias, or something, but he's not talking reasonably.
I think he is paid by the sugar industry
@@jesyra, anyone who takes a stance on an issue has been paid by an industry positively associated with the issue according to many social media users. I guess scepticism is healthy but I rarely see proof of assertions.
I eat sugar every day and lost 100 pounds. Sugar is a health food.
Joe's definition of plowing is so much different than mine 😂
We’re actually eating more sugar than ever before. Sugar comes in many forms. But the main reason sugar as in a bag of actual sugar is going down is because sugar has been replaced by something cheaper and even more sinister for the body, which is high fructose corn syrup! Processed foods use high fructose corn syrup and we are eating more and more processed foods and if you read the label almost everything has high fructose corn syrup, which is in fact, sugar!
The Standard American Diet is loaded with sugar. I am not talking about free sugar. I am talking about all the packaged foods that use these chemicals that are sugar derivitives . Fruit is loaded with Fructose sugar. Milk is loaded with sugar. Sugar is put in most everything as a flavor enhancer
People who switch from regular soda to diet would contribute to the lowering of sugar while still being obese
I've never seen a fat person who didn't drink Diet coke. Diet way worse.
Yeah but if the rest of their diet doesn't change they won't lose weight, fat people are fat because of overeating or either disease or, ironicly enough, medicine. Ever watched the show secret eaters?
Artificial sweetners are cancer causing and very bad for you.
They'd be cutting calories, so it would cause them to lose weight. Aspartame doesn't cause cancer.
@@MeanBeanComedy how muxh calories a day if they drink 1 bottle of soda a day vs 1 bottle of diet soda? They still gonna be overweight only 4 pounds less. Soda's and sugar is not the biggest problem fat people have!
Joe Rogan thinks he's less than 12% body fat lol
Dreaming Life what do u think he is?...he’s pretty solid 🤷♂️
John Campbell he's anywhere from 12 to 16%, a typical healthy percentage.
Calories in vs calories out. Next.
True but the types of food you eat will change the way your body metabolizes(calories out). So if you ate 2000 calories of ice cream, soda and candy for a year, compared to 2000 calories of quality whole foods, your body composition and it’s metabolism will be completely different. Not to mention a plethora of other complications.
@@jethrotool4828 as pertaining to sheer fat loss, wait. I say again - sheer fat loss. As pertaining to sheer fat loss, no matter the types of foods u eat, if what u eat is in excess of your TDEE, u.will.not.lose.fat. (outliers of people with medical conditions aside).
Good luck trying to lose weight by eating "whole," "clean" foods in excess of your TDEE!
There is no way sugar consumption has been decreasing for 50 years in the UK. It’s not possible. People were dirt poor in the UK 50 years ago, we couldn’t afford many sweets and drinks. The past few years sure, with the sugar tax making people choose diet soft drinks but I call BS. We don’t have high fructose corn syrup here either.
I'm 105 pounds at five foot six, natural sugars have never bothered me but refined sugar and high fructose corn syrup are poison I'm sure.
Isn't too much of anything will be toxic? Water can be toxic.
@@peaceonearth351 for sure too much of anything is bad, but what is too much of something for one person might be totally acceptable for another.
It seems that the term “sugar” is too broad. When he says sugar, does he also imply artificial sweeteners like high fructose corn syrup?
Well, high fructose corn syrup isn't necessarily artificial. Artificial sweeteners aren't sugars and are not metabolized in the same way.
All in all, you have a point, Jay. "Sugar" is too broad a term in this case, because the specific list of sugars that are reported, studied, or concerned changes from one study to another. It's part of what feeds this whole "Corn Syrup isn't even sugar" narrative that gets memed and trolled from time to time...
A fairly useful (not exactly perfect) guide is that ANY chemical name that ends with "-ose" is probably a sugar... AND it's probably listed in the "credible studies" at least.
Examples range from Glucose, Fructose, and Cellulose, all the way to Dextrose and further.
Artificial sweeteners, are a bit different. Splenda (for instance) is an alcohol related sugar -ish... thing. And there are several others. Alcohol is also technically a "sugar" according to chemists... at least at the chemical engineering level. AND for what it's worth, it doesn't (to my knowledge) matter whether it's Isopropyl, Methyl, or Ethyl.
Finally, while we're here... On metabolism... While most sugars are metabolized fairly quickly for short quick bursts of caloric energy (you know, the stuff you supposedly "run" on?) they don't exactly break down exactly alike. There are a few more or less steps from one to the next, depending on complexity of the sugar in question. This is why you can get a very quick flurry of energy out of a honey-based candy bar (lots of simple glucose). Honey's special for having such a simple chemical signature structure, it takes about 8 minutes to hit the bloodstream. WHILE starch, a fairly dense and complicated chain of sugars takes longer, and even uses more energy to break down, which is part of why you get the "coma" after eating a heavily pasta related meal (unless you get over-sweetened sauce)...
I (for one) eat TONS of friggin' noodles, just about any and every variety of noodle or pasta related thing, and I'm on the order of 30 pounds underweight... BUT I also do a LOT of physical activity, working with hand-tools as much as possible. (more art/craft reason than health)... SO there's that. ;o)
14:00 Joe is just not seeing how he's arguing for Stephan's point
He has a sugar dogma
pudgywudgy Clearly. I really don’t understand how people can have these dogmas against carbohydrates and talk about them being the root of all evil and fat people in the world when BILLIONS of the skinniest people on the planet (Asians/Indians) eat diets that are heavily dominant in simple carbs, white rice. Not to mention, Rice is one the easiest foods to digest with virtually no food allergies and then you look at dairy, which nearly 1/2 of the world’s population are allergic to; and you can make yourself allergic to it by simply not eating it for a month or two.
Sorry Stephan you’re faltering buddy. If u don’t think sugar is a major problem in North America you’re incredibly naive.
Robert Hill seriously, he’s a prick, and i feel joe is backing him, which fucking pisses me off
Sugar and anything that turns to sugar quickly is bad for you.
It's important to recognize that he's saying sugar alone isn't solely responsible. As in a high sugar diet doesn't automatically cause obesity, but that a sedentary lifestyle COMBINED with a poor diet brings about obesity.
Shoot Right Here no thats wrong, cause many eat shit and workout everyday
But are FAT buff....
Peter attia, myself, and many others are a great example of this...
Its the sugar
@@Dorkster81 let me guess, you started out fat and then started working out. Probably with not enough cardio.
Let's not forget the possibility that you are just predisposed to being fat due to genetics.
“Sugar intake in the United States has been declining over the past 20 years“. Just not possible!
Regarding HFCS, fructose is fructose no matter where it comes from. Fructose from from fruit is no better than fructose from corn syrup. It makes no difference to your body.
I don't know who is right, but I do know that the old gray haired dude is jacked so must be doing something right.
Yeah he seems to be right, at least more right than the other guy 🤣
jTΛCTIC5 hahaha
Young guy wrong old guy right
Old guy: "exercise doesn't have an effect on obesity" (paraphrased) @15:00
I think he's one of those guys who blindly shoots at sugar and disregards everything else
Is Stephen Guyenet capable of speaking even one sentence without awkwardly fake laughing?
It seems nobody has mentioned the prevalence of fibre (as far as I can see) in the diets. I can’t quote any studies -so correct me if I’m wrong - but the average western diet has been seeing a marked decrease in the fibre levels, which correlate with the obesity increases. Also, fibre helps to slow glucose absorption, preventing sharp rises in blood sugar levels, potentially explaining why with lower sugar consumption in the west, obesity levels have continued to rise.
Sugar raises insulin level which causes the body to store it as fat. The more sugar in your body causes insulin resistance. In turn causing type 2 diabetes.
guys dismisses the other as telling a story, proceeds telling another story
One was fantasising about how something could turn out in the future (somehow giving sugar to a population while keeping everything the same and seeing if things change 50-100 years) and the other was talking about something that has already happened. Something you, Gary and a lot of others are missing out on, evidence.
15:00 is the stupidest crap I've ever heard. With that statement alone the debate is over.
Exactly!!!!! Whattttttt dude
Obese people dont get obese only from being sedentary.
Show me an obese person that has been a vegan for 2 years or more.
Nobody who is conscious of their food habits and intake is EVER obese. Ever.
No but i can show you plenty off malnurished vegans
@@davidsheridan6323 The point would be to look at the Correlation between vegans/vegetarians and obesity, Dave. Then extrapolate the positives... Way to go off topic, Dave.
Not true though a lot of fat ass motherfuckers tryin to eat healthy and not work out they think they'll lose weight.
Great discussion! I think that sitting 9 hours a day in an office does make you fat if you don't change your food intake accordingly or if you don't exercise enough!
I'm shocked nobody points out the fact that this guy is equating natural Honey to processed refined sugars and high fructose syrup? That's a BIG difference that nobody addressed. That's like drinking water from a mud puddle compared to purified water. Ridiculous.