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The overpowered Laplace technique for summing series.

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  • čas přidán 23. 08. 2023
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Komentáře • 55

  • @lorenzovittori7853
    @lorenzovittori7853 Před 11 měsíci +40

    Very cool but a and B cannot be the same

    • @GeoffryGifari
      @GeoffryGifari Před 11 měsíci +7

      even if a and b are both positive? r/b-a will blow up but Xᵃ - Xᵇ will go to zero. hmmmm
      its not apparent that a=b is invalid from the series alone

    • @aliinci1874
      @aliinci1874 Před 11 měsíci +16

      you can take a limit as b approaches a and notice it is the derivative of x^(a) with respect to a

    • @spoolster64
      @spoolster64 Před 11 měsíci

      @@aliinci1874 can confirm. Evaluating for b approaches a at a=0 r=1 you find the solution to the basel problem

    • @lorenzovittori7853
      @lorenzovittori7853 Před 11 měsíci +18

      @@GeoffryGifari of a=b u can't use partial fraction decomposition, not in the way Michael did

    • @jesusalej1
      @jesusalej1 Před 11 měsíci

      a=b is a special case of decomposition.

  • @timothywaters8249
    @timothywaters8249 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Mind blown... We used Laplace transforms to solve diff eqs... a lot. Using it like this opens your mind. I love pure maths more and more every day!

  • @whozz
    @whozz Před 11 měsíci +31

    The formula only works for a != b. Can we use limits to extend it for the a = b case?

    • @damyankorena
      @damyankorena Před 11 měsíci +13

      Computer scientist spotted!!!!!!!!!
      Also just take the original problem and consider the case a=b and you kind of just solve it from there

    • @DendrocnideMoroides
      @DendrocnideMoroides Před 11 měsíci +1

      Say a == b, not a = b.

  • @panagiotissismanis7387
    @panagiotissismanis7387 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Congratulations!! A very interesting point of view linking infinite series to integrals!! Keep up the great job, Mike!!...

  • @MarcoMate87
    @MarcoMate87 Před 11 měsíci +1

    At 7:00, we must require both a and b to be > -1 to ensure absolute convergence for both integrals. In fact, take for example the first Laplace transform: multiplying e^(-nt) with e^(-at) under the integral sign, we have e^[-t(n+a)]. Remember that t > 0, so for the integral to converge for every natural n > 0 we need n+a > 0 for every natural n > 0. This is true if and only if a > -1. The same goes for b.

    • @Kycilak
      @Kycilak Před 11 měsíci +2

      Well... He assumed a,b to be nonnegative integers right at the start, didn't he?

  • @qschroed
    @qschroed Před 11 měsíci +1

    an interesting case analysis of the formula would be at r=1 a = 0 and b approaching 0 as a limit, the value of this should be the basel sum

  • @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser
    @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser Před 11 měsíci +7

    A bit of a basic question, but at 13:35, when performing the u substitution, why is it okay to write sqrt(u^2)=u instead of |u|? The way Michael did it in the video, after writing dx=2udu you're left with u^2 on the numerator while I would have thought the result to be |u|*u
    Thank you.

    • @michaelguenther7105
      @michaelguenther7105 Před 11 měsíci +7

      Both x and u are positive on the interval (0, 1).

    • @IoT_
      @IoT_ Před 11 měsíci +4

      The integration is within the interval which is more or equal to zero ,i.e. from 0 to 1

    • @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser
      @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@michaelguenther7105 Of course! Thanks.

    • @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser
      @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@IoT_ Thank you!

    • @khoozu7802
      @khoozu7802 Před 9 měsíci

      Actually if u=-sqrtx, x=1,u=-1,u can be negative
      However, u=sqrtx and u=-sqrtx are the same integral
      Let x=u^2 and -sqrtx=u
      dx=2udu
      x=0,u=0
      x=1,u=-1
      ∫_(0,1) sqrtx/(x-1)dx
      =∫_(0,-1) -u/(u^2-1)*2udu
      =∫_(-1,0) 2u^2/(u^2-1)du
      =∫_(0,1) 2u^2/(u^2-1)du
      Because it is an even function

  • @GeoffryGifari
    @GeoffryGifari Před 11 měsíci +10

    hmmm can the resulting integral be solved with contour integration?

  • @franksaved3893
    @franksaved3893 Před 11 měsíci

    At the end the case r=0 works and gives 0 not because ln(1)=0, but because the limit of all that stuff is 0 for r->0

  • @thatdude_93
    @thatdude_93 Před 8 měsíci

    you can't really use dominated convergence here, but monotone convergence will do since we're summing positive terms

  • @lori2364
    @lori2364 Před 11 měsíci

    A thing of beauty.

  • @khoozu7802
    @khoozu7802 Před 8 měsíci

    The calculation in first example was wrong. U should integrate them separately because when x=u^2, u=sqrtx, x=1-, u=sqrt(1-), when x=u^3, u=cbrtx, x=1-, u=cbrt(1-)
    If u assumed x=1, u=sqrt1=1 and u=cbrt1=1, u will get wrong in final answer.

  • @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser
    @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser Před 11 měsíci

    Very satisfying method I agree.

  • @goodplacetostop2973
    @goodplacetostop2973 Před 11 měsíci +8

    18:45

  • @koendos3
    @koendos3 Před 11 měsíci

    Sums are my favorites

  • @user-gz3no9nb2t
    @user-gz3no9nb2t Před 11 měsíci +3

    7:21
    Why are the sigma and integral interchangeable?

    • @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser
      @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser Před 11 měsíci

      There is a theorem about this which has to do with different types of convergence, I think when you have "absolute" convergence then it is okay to make the switch. Maybe someone can expand on my answer.

    • @xizar0rg
      @xizar0rg Před 11 měsíci +4

      The "Dominated Convergence Theorem". Basically says as long as your series is 'nicely behaved', you can swap the order. (*very* oversimplified explanation of 'nice' in this case is absolutely bounded and converges at every value of the summation index. don't use this explanation in your homework.)

    • @divisix024
      @divisix024 Před 11 měsíci

      Iirc the condition for dominanted convergence is that (or at least in one of the versions) there is a nonnegative function such that at each point within the integration bounds, the expression doesn’t exceed the function regardless of n, and that the function is integrable

  • @CM63_France
    @CM63_France Před 11 měsíci +3

    Hi,
    I used this technic, when I was about 20, to study this functional series : f(x)=1/(x+1)-1/(x+2)+1/(x+3)-... , and show that it had some thing to do with (pi x) / (sin pi x).
    Knowing, now, that that is equal to gamma(1-x) gamma(1+x), may be I could retrieve my function out of the gamma function. 🤔

    • @joansgf7515
      @joansgf7515 Před 11 měsíci

      By the same method on the video I reduced -sum_{n=1}^{infty} (-1)^n/(n+x) to int_0^infty e^-(1+x)t/(1+e^(-t)) dt. I'm not sure if I did it right and if it is how it is related to gamma(1-x)gamma(1+x).

    • @joansgf7515
      @joansgf7515 Před 11 měsíci

      When plotted on Desmos the integral is a really got approximation for gamma(1-x)gamma(1+x) in the interval (-1,-1/2]

  • @Patapom3
    @Patapom3 Před 11 měsíci

    Amazing!

  • @HerbertLandei
    @HerbertLandei Před 11 měsíci +1

    [Edit: This is wrong, but just in case someone else has the same brainfart] 14:06 is clearly wrong, it should be Integral u/(u²-1)du and Integral u/(u³-1)du.

    • @leif_p
      @leif_p Před 11 měsíci +1

      I think you forgot to multiply the dx terms.

    • @megauser8512
      @megauser8512 Před 11 měsíci +1

      No, it is right because of the du term.

    • @HerbertLandei
      @HerbertLandei Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​@@megauser8512 Sorry, you are right.

  • @khoozu7802
    @khoozu7802 Před 9 měsíci

    13.36
    He said dx=2udu but he wrote du=2udu

  • @cd-zw2tt
    @cd-zw2tt Před 11 měsíci

    region of convergence

  • @hhlavacs
    @hhlavacs Před 11 měsíci

    Excellent video as always

  • @AmitBentabou
    @AmitBentabou Před 11 měsíci

    I dont feel comfortable in that change of variables.
    It feels like because of the limit nature of integrals, youre doing there two different infinite limits with the same variable taken at the same time, something that is not entirely rigorous. Can you explain why you are allowed to do that?

    • @randomlife7935
      @randomlife7935 Před 11 měsíci

      Since the original series is absolutely convergent, then any change of variables or order is valid.

    • @Kycilak
      @Kycilak Před 11 měsíci

      Well, you can tear the former integral into two, do the change of variable for each of them as Michael has done. The variables used in the change should probably differ as they result from different changes, but we can rename the variable we integrate over as we please. Then we would be left with the addition of the two integrals over the same integral, which can be joined again.
      Schematically:
      int_0^1 [ f(x) + g(x) ] dx = int_0^1 f(x) dx + int_0^1 g(x) dx = int_0^1 h(u) du + int_0^1 k(v) dv = int_0^1 h(u) du + int_0^1 k(u) du = int_0^1 [ h(u) + k(u) ] du
      The thing is we are able to do this because both of the changes of variables give the same interval (0, 1) "by coincidence".

  • @jbtechcon7434
    @jbtechcon7434 Před 11 měsíci

    0:54 Yeah, that's the problem with most of what you learn in school. It only works in school.

  • @natanfreire8692
    @natanfreire8692 Před 11 měsíci

    This is interesting

  • @CTJ2619
    @CTJ2619 Před 11 měsíci

    Check it out !

  • @erfanmohagheghian707
    @erfanmohagheghian707 Před 11 měsíci

    This is not really overpowered when you can turn the summand into an integral as already shown by yourself.

  • @naseramiri8332
    @naseramiri8332 Před 11 měsíci

    handsome

  • @CTJ2619
    @CTJ2619 Před 11 měsíci

    This is a pet peeve of mine that I have written about before. When you say (a lot) “something like” it assumes you are putting an approximation to the answer rather than saying “the answer is or will be”

  • @minwithoutintroduction
    @minwithoutintroduction Před 11 měsíci

    19:21