Movies That Directors Hated Making
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- Directors are a passionate bunch, and some of them hate the movies they've made with the passion of a thousand stars. In this video, I want to cover four examples. The first is James Cameron, who had his first feature film, Piranha 2, ripped from him. The second is David Fincher, who hates Alien 3 more than anyone else to this day. The third is Joss Whedon, who had a painful time with Avengers: Age of Ultron. And, last but not least, we look at a few directors that have come to odds with DC & Marvel, who are synonymous with studio interference at this point.
00:00 Intro
01:00 James Cameron: The Stolen Movie
06:38 David Fincher: A True Hater
12:55 Joss Whedon: Idiotic Mistake
12:17 Marvel & DC: Overbearing Parents
23:27 Let Director's Direct
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I just realised the Alien theme running here. James Cameron directed Aliens, David Fincher directed Alien3, Josh Whedon wrote Alien resurrection... is Alien the Kevin Bacon of franchises or something?!
Lol it does seem like it (at least the early ones, before Ridley Scott came back into the mix).
A director being asked to do a Marvel movie is like being given the keys to a beautiful Ferrari, only to be told you can't drive over 40, and getting pulled over and fined on trumped up charges at every block. It's impossible to enjoy the experience.
That's actually the perfect metaphor. From what I've read, the directors are basically able to shoot what they want but the movie gets ripped from them in post-production, where its standardized to fit the Marvel formula.
The cinematic universe concept was interesting in the beginning and good for a solid decade, but I think it's time to retire it if it means that all films need to adhere to a specific standard that disallows weirdness or interesting ideas.
@@Syntopikon Weirdness is a good thing, as it can foster or express originality-though I believe one type of weirdness has been substituted for another. The autonomy for directors to tell the story they want to tell has been hijacked by the studios which have incorporated DEI in their business model. It's gotten to the point where the director has no say in what actors he wants for his movie, as they may be the "wrong" color, gender, or must cater to another quota of diversity or inclusion.
The quality control is no longer in the hands of the director, as studios give directors unrealistic timeframes to adequately render special effects, and enforce stipulations on script and characters which will in turn devastate the project. The goal by studios has been to virtue signal rather than to entertain, which self-destructive, akin to a sick person drinking poison in the hopes kill their disease. It's not a sustainable business model, and it's only a matter of time before shareholders either jump ship and tank the stock or sue their incompetent asses.
It's kinda ironic how James Cameron hated making his directorial debut taking place in the water but would go on to make movies with terrific set pieces involving water that put his stars through a very wet hell.
He's basically THE water director. The Abyss, Titanic, and Avatar 2 all basically invented new technologies for their production.
It seems somewhat common that directors get fired from movies. I'd like to see a list which explores those occurrences.
The assembly cut of Alien3 adds a lot to the film. Not quite a director's cut, but in many ways, it's much better than the theatrical release. I like this move a lot. It's deeply flawed, but it oozes atmosphere. It could've been a solid movie with a better script and if the studio had given David Fincher a bit more free rein.
Yup. I think the studio miscalculated in hiring Fincher - but from the standpoint that they seemed to think that maybe he was to young to entrust with such a production. Cameron at least had the success of Terminator to go off of, while this was Fincher's first feature. Maybe Fincher will come around eventually and do his own director's cut which is more in line with his vision, though that might be a long ways away.
He can't make a director's cut because there was never a film made to his vision in the first place. It's not like he put a cut together that they changed- they interfered to such a level during shooting that it was never his film, they essentially wanted him to be a journeyman director rather than an auteur. He will never work on a new cut and he will never produce a commentary- he barely talks about it almost 35 years later.
Trey Parker and Matt Stone hated making Team America and it's one of the best comedies ever made!
David Lynch's Dune should be on that list too
I think the issue with Dune is more that while it had a difficult production, I don't think Lynch hated the making of its so much as he hated what happened afterwards - namely, that he didn't final cut, which I believe he's gotten on every movie afterward.
Great video. I think being canceled is why Joss Whedon hasn’t been making movies, though, not his choice.
To Cameron's credit, his said the footage he shot for Piranha 2 was terrible ,but it's still the best flying fish killers film ever made.
When James Cameron goes, he always go big. I think all of his movies are probably some of the best examples of their genres.
Putting Ryan Coogler as one of the directors that Marvel has screwed up is weird, considering that his Black Panther films are probably some of the few that feel more "authentic" alongside James Gunn' GOTG, and he seems to be happy with his work. Cases like Nia Da Costa's work on The Marvels feels more accurate to the "Kevin Feige and other produces taking out the film from the director and screwing up a pottentially better movie"
Excellent video! It's not Art anymore, It's money.
I thought Tremors was the best of the Jaws rip offs
100%
Tremors is a legitimate classic.
Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!
There is not a chance in hell. This person speaks like this. In real life
love your profile pic
About the "Patty Jenkins vs Marvel Creative Comitee" situation, the "merch sales" stuff was because Ike Perlmutter, who complained that women or non white superheroes didn't sell toys, which is why we had to wait years for a Black Widow movie.
In fact, Kevin Feige almost quit Marvel because he disliked Perlmutter ideas, and Bob Iger ended up firing Perlmutter and giving Feige full control over the company.
That doesn't mean Kevin has no mistakes (cof Captain Marvel films cof)
I realized Michael Mann's The Keep is a film that you definitely talk about a cult film disowned by the director. Sadly, I don't think we will ever get DC version of it. Production and post production issues were something I definitely would hate to endure.
The title making me confused maann. I think it should be called "Movies that Directors hate for making it" ...
this channel deserves more attention. great videos dude ✌
Thanks. I appreciate it 🤘
But in a lot if these cases, the directors weren't good enough or their plans weren't good. With Fincher, I get what he wanted to achieve with with Alien 3, but killing Hicks and the little girl from the second movie off screen was an stupid idea that crippled the movie. Joss Whedon is not that great of a writer. He said he only tried to make a great movie, but it felt like he wasn't even trying. Even without the interference from the studio, which was more related to Thor scene and the setting up for phase 3, the movie had too many dumb subplots, it didn't know what it wanted and Ultron, which is one of the most dangerous Marvel villains, was written like a joke. With Fantastic Four, Josh Trank wanted to pull a Nolan. "Look at me, I'm gonna make this super realistic superhero movie". And even without Fox interference, the plot was stupid and the characters were even more stupid and dull. As for Snyder, Warner should've fired him after Batman v Superman.
Good video, but I honestly think you should cut down on the text, it's too fast, so I end up pausing a lot of times it pops up which slows down the pacing of the video drastically, and sometimes the text doesn't line up with what you're saying.
Thanks for that. I'll keep it mind going forward, particularly the speed. Usually, I don't want the text to always match up with what I'm saying, but be more of a single-word encapsulation. But I'll try to get them in line.
You should have a list of movies that did great despite studio interfrence.
Excellent idea. Going to try to do this one before the month is over. I already know LOTR is going to be on the list, if only in a very tangential way.
Love your videos, please don't stop. Can you do a video on Christopher Nolan?
I appreciate it! Is there a particular context of Nolan you find interesting?
@@Syntopikon how there's not many directors like him that get almost complete creative freedom from the studios like Kubrick did before him
If I Were To Hate Making a Movie Myself It'd be Adventures Of The American Rabbit which I tried rewatching but I just can't do It the film was terribly unfunny and the film's animation while not bad per say was nothing compared to Starchaser The Legend Of Orin also the cartoony vibe kinda made me sick and I'm an advocate for Animation especially during recent times animation Is cinema except for this movie
Punctuation is hard
Those who can, direct. Those who cannot, become studio executives.
Huh. That's a solid spin on the old saying. At the very least, some decent creative chops should be necessary. Robert Evans was never a massive star actor so far as I remember, but Paramount was at its creative peak under him. And UA managed to survive for a long time.
i absolutely love your videos but you should lower the size of the text, it's so massive it becomes hard to read when in fullscreen
I mean James Cameron literally went through hell to shoot the abyss. I think out of everything he's done, he probably gates that the most
Excluding Piranha 2, While The Abyss is probably the hardest shoot he's done, I think he hated the filming of Aliens more. He clashed a lot with the crew at Pinewood Studios and the filming was running very close to the wire - and fell behind at points, to the point that James Horner, who composed the music, only had a couple of weeks to finish the score. It led to a falling out between the two, though they eventually made up before Titanic.
13:24 - this is Much Ado About Nothing erasure
A video idea you could do this summer is worst movies every made. Why are they so bad, why many of them became cult flims, why did some of them made a profit even through they are sited as a very horrible movie and why are some of them so bad but yet so good.
This is an excellent idea. I'm gonna get started on the research soon.
@@Syntopikon Sweet! Thanks, one of your new videos popped up on my recommendation, which I liked, since then I have been watching them, because I have an interest in movies. The worst movies ever being made have been in my head for the last three months and I thought this week that you could do a video about the topic.
Great video, love the content. Cant help but notice this guys voice sounds like Steinbrenner from Seinfeld / Dr.Evil from Austin Powers.
Thanks! And lol, that's a new one. Usually, I get George Lucas, Joe Pera, and, more recently, AI 😬
Is that your real voice?
Yup 😬
@@Syntopikon
Ty its better then AI voice bs.
Noticed i watched quite of your videos cause of that and earned a sub👍
Ignore him there is nothing wrong with your voice @@Syntopikon
Joss whedon didn't direct John Carter.
That’s not what he said at all. He’s saying that Avengers and John Carter were the two movies of 2012 that created our modern cinema landscape. Not exactly sure of the reasoning behind John Carter, maybe cause it was so expensive but also a major bomb so that made more bigger risks like that become lesser made.
That's exactly the reason. Notably, both Avengers and John Carter came from Disney. On one hand, you had the most successful movie of 2012 and one that set massive records. It was also part of a franchise and something of a successful culmination of Phase 1. On the other hand, you had John Carter, which actually cost MORE than Avengers. It was ostensibly an "original" movie - I don't think many people remembered A Princess of Mars, which was published 100 years ago from 2012 and they didn't go with the obvious name. A year after John Carter, The Lone Ranger also failed. I think it was around that point that studios saw the more expensive bets as much more risky if they weren't already part of a major franchise.
On one hand, Disney saw all the dollar signs and on the other, a financial boondoggle. So they went all in on the former. 2012 was also when they bought Lucasfilm, roughly half a year after John Carter bombed.
@@Syntopikon yeah John Carter was part of that Disney lineup of “we need PG-13 movies for boys because we barely have that market tapped” which included Prince of Persia and Sorcerer’s apprentice and Lone Ranger, all of which (I think Persia might’ve done ok tho idr) were flops. After that, Disney just gave up and realized that the big historic IPs were better to put out, and it did pay off for a good time until in recent times it didn’t.
@@mg6945 Yup. It's only been the past few years that the well has begun to run dry, even with Marvel.
It's particularly unfortunate for movies like Lone Ranger, Prince of Persia, and John Carter because none of them were really all that bad. I felt like I got my money's worth with each movie and would buy most of them on Blu-Ray, too. Their biggest issues were the bloated budgets. If they were made for half (and with how expensive they were thanks to the talents involved, I think it would've been possible if they had different actors) I don't think Disney would've taken it as badly as they did.
@@Syntopikon John Carter had the issue of the original source being so old that it inspired a century’s worth of sci fi, and so in contrast with Dune and Star Wars and Avatar, it felt like a rip off of what ripped it off in the first place. But I’d watch it over Indiana jones and the dial of destiny or the Marvels
I love Alien 3
It's a fine movie, but soooo strange seeing it 3rd, after totally different predecessors
Sorry but Cameron ripped off Terminator from Harlan Ellison
I know Cameron's disputed this and placed the blame on his producers. From his bio, The Futurist:
"It was a nuisance suit that could easily have been fought. I expected Hemdale and Orion to fight for my rights, but they abandoned me. The insurance company told me if I didn't agree to the settlement, they would come after me personally for the damages if they lost the suit. Having no money at the time, I had no choice but to agree to the settlement. Of course there was a gag order as well, so I couldn't tell this story but now I frankly don't care. It's the truth. Harlan Ellison is a parasite who can kiss my ass"
@@Syntopikonwow I always knew Cameron was a huge egomaniac but that statement takes balls. Anyone who has seen the outer limits episode the solider can see the undeniable similarities.
Also lets add Titanic is a terrible film. With horrible special effects that looked awful.
Combined with his disregard of actors safety id say he really has some nerve. Despite the fact he has made a couple of good films.
The other ISN'T john Carter. Wheedon had NOTHING to do with that film. When you make such a basic error it makes people wonder if the other stuff is wrong too :/
Interesting Video.
In context, I meant that besides Avengers, John Carter was one of the most important movies of 2012, not that Whedon directed it. It was important because it was also a Disney movie (and it cost more than Avengers) but it flopped hard at the box office. There's a strong case to be made that the two movies - Avengers and John Carter - helped inform the overall movie landscape of the last decade, especially in reliance on franchises vs. original films (or films with less resonant IP).
The Marvel creative committee was necessary,Marvel was better off with them
Dude stop spitting in the mic. Decent content but I have to mute it because all I hear is spit
another banger video
It's kinda ironic how James Cameron hated making his directorial debut taking place in the water but would go on to make movies with terrific set pieces involving water that put his stars through a very wet hell.
Right? It's a wild coincidence. In fact, I can't think of a director that works better with water than Cameron.