Tank guns cant be suppressed. I mean they can but it looks like this. i.redd.it/6k141jia1x221.jpg Dont ask me why the Bundeswehr even made a prototype for that. They must be compensateing for something.
@@jakobc.2558 It is clear which army won this years dick measuring contest. On a more serious note, those artillery suppressors are used in maneuver areas with nearby villages. So they can blast away without disturbing the people living there. Germany is rather densely settled which limits the amount of possible large training grounds.
Ah... PL-01 - also known as - Vaporware - vehicle edition. Fun fact about this - when it was presented a good couple of years ago... I could not shake off the feeling that people presenting it had zero idea what this thing was supposed to be for. They advertised it as a lightly armoured, close range support tank for use in urban environments, with anti-radar stealth capabilities. Pretty much all statements contradicting one another. Light armour in urban, close support role - no, just no. When in close support, you want some decent protection. Urban environment and anti-radar shielding - why? Urban environment basically denies large portion of radar equipment, while close range role means that that visual detection is most likely by far. If this thing was advertised as a recon and mid to long range support vehicle, it would make some sense...
HidesHisFace yeah please stop talking about this mess, the tank was an embarrassment lol. It never even saw the light of day. I’m polish, and I’m ashamed of that mess... the PL-01 is best forgotten
@@marcelburdon9795 Ojjj tak. Wyszło jak zawsze. The worst part about PL-01 is that this is not even a proper prototype - is is basically an elaborate mockup slapped on top of a Swedish CV90. From what I remember, the mockup was actually so shoddy, it could not even rotate the turret. In other words, this damn thing is about as real as power armoured infantry and mechs from Ghana.
It is like it is designed to use in a video game and not in actual practical combat. I saw it the first time and legit thought it is a tank from CnC series.
For real man. If they removed every second word from the description, it would actually get better. It's like the advertisement team opened a dictionary on "modern combat" section and just copied random words If I was the one designing PL-01 I'd just double down on stealth and make it into an Ambush MBT: -Big gun for its size, maybe even 130 mm. Probably would have to make it a side-loaded RAVEN cannon just so that it fits in the turret and the recoil isn't obnoxious -Rather thin armor -As quick as possible *-ALL* the stealth
Eee do you know that this never meant to be real tank? it was just part of politics vs military, some BS about polish tank so they made this design and mockup in like couple hours/days so politics would left them in peace. And to this day I see even serious western channels talking about this BS
About thermal signatures. Having a a physical barrier between the heated parts and the tank do help hugely. This can be done by just covering your tank in branches, preferably pine, or having a dedicated 'coat' for the tank that you can see being tested in several nations already. I can speak from experience that those can completely mask a tanks thermal image, especially from the front, and help camouflage it even better against the naked eye.
Nod's stealth tanks use missiles rather then a cannon. Are missiles a good choice over a cannon in reality, or is it a case by case thing where it's yes and no?
That was supposed to be the role of the F-117 but turns out internal bays for A2A missiles have too many problems so it was relegated to a ground attack role. To be honest it should have never had the F designation but some AF General wanted the F because "Fighter Pilots Dar De Bestest Pilots In DA Whole Wide Worldz" and "Dis Wuz Da Bestest". Well the F-117 no longer flies now. Sheer F*ck*ng Hubris.
@@octo8715 Somewhat, but most of the heat goes with the missile, tubes generally don't stay hot because they don't have the mass a barrel needs. You could also eject the tube once fired as a heat sink.
It really depends on the role they have to play as well. Backing up infantry in urban combat is a place where no amount of stealth is going to help, but creeping across a field/plan/desert at night, a bit of stealth would be useful to help you avoid getting spotted so early.
Talking about tracks... I think the aforementioned track technology is around. Band tracks, named because they're effectively large rubber bands, do wonders to reduce the noise given off by tracks. They do have their drawbacks such as difficulty in repairing them as well as lesser durability, but by removing a lot of the moving metal parts (rubber road wheels and pads can help make metal tracks quieter, but there will always be metal-on-metal interface with the drive sprocket and the track pins) it will undoubtedly reduce noise. In fact, many lighter vehicles such as the M113 and the CV90 have been adapted to use band tracks, are relatively common on various heavy equipment used in construction and farming, and such tracks have been used historically on the US M3 series of half-tracks. I don't think you can go wrong with using band tracks on a stealth tank, especially when said tank would be a recon vehicle.
Germans with their half tracks: put a metal track where each link has to be individually assembled and lubricated Americans: Let's just put a rubber band around the rear wheels of a scout car
U mean hero Yugoslavian tanks holding back those evil Abrams, Leopards and worst of all merkavas like seriously how do fit 20 people in a tank and still have 12 shots and a grenade launcher.
I was thinking of stealth tanks like the Ezekiel's Wheel that are less for recon and more for hit-and-run attacks. Stay quiet, move inconspicuously, open fire and then retreat once the target is destroyed. As for the Allied Mirage Tank, it's supposed to be an ambush unit, hence the mirage generator that makes it look like a local tree.
It was just a piece of cardboard on a T-55 (or on something else i'm not 100% sure), there is litteraly nothing to talk about, that "tank" is just as much of a tank as a couple boxes taped together by a kid in a way that makes them vaguely resemble a tank
We already have Stealth Tanks. Put a tank behind a hill, and you can no longer see it. The reason why stealth technology is more prevalent in Air and Seagoing vessels is because there is nothing in between you and the enemy. You see them, they see you nothing gets in the way save for the occasional cloud or landmass. The Comanche (aka Stealth Apache) is the prime example as it was canceled, Helicopters rely more on the Terrain for its concealment than any electronic warfare. As for sea there is some stealth technology for surface vessels, but everyone knows the stealth vessel is the submarine.
The Comanche was canceled not because of terrain allowing it to be stealthy, but because Congress axed it during the post-Cold War cuts. A lot of equipment that the US was about to deploy but got axed at the last moment can trace it's problems with Congress.
They will be electric tank when they it will be possible to store HUGE amount of electric energy in a somewhat close space that could not be extremely unstable and catch fire/explode, so in a long time most probably.
I've been really enjoying and learning some things with these videos, hoping you keep them coming! Also, was wondering if you'd like to do a "Everything Wrong with" for Steel Battalion. I love me some mechs but you do make compelling arguments on how impractical they'd be.
Can you do a video on the ground base vehicles in Star Wars Empire at War Forces of Corruption of the Empire, Rebellion, and Zann Consortium and Starcraft vehicles please?
Very thought-provoking video. A recon vehicle tailored to meet all these stealth criteria would be one tough to spot little bugger when stationary. And MBTs would benefit too, even if by necessity they can't be designed to be quite as stealthy.
Please do a video on Tracks Vs Tires for armored vehicles! Currently, my sci-fi series has tanks with electric motors in each of the six tires, and a supercharged six-cylinder generator providing battery power to them, and to the coilgun or railgun turret. (coilgun for command tank, railgun for regular) An additional benefit to a hybrid electric system would be the simplification of suspension components, with no need to run driveshafts or brake hoses to the track/tyres, and the lack of need for a transmission.
1:50 Going along with this chain: Cloaking seems out of the question for the time... Railguns or coilguns as a main weapon might be effective as a main weapon on a stealth tank, if they would produce no smoke, and at the very least, less heat...? Would a hovercraft be effective against seismic Radar, acoustic sound from the treads, and from kicking up too much dust? Combined with the fact that hovertanks would have to be smaller, they'd be the PERFECT low-ground stealth tank... Right? So basically, the idea is... Thin Hovertank with a Coilgun as its base weapon; simpler than a railgun tank, still hits fast and hard to get out alive. After all, this tank shouldn't be fighting an abrams intentionally.
I would imagine the system needed to lift the tank off the ground would probably kick up a lot of dusk, if not more than a tank due to having to rely on jets and fans depending on how it's handled. That say though if the railgun/coilgun or other gun that's not a traditional tank cannon has a low enough recoil that could actually potentially justify the hovertank despite it's flaws. The main problems I imagine would be A: Heat and B: Dust, so maybe have some sort of skirt bellow the tank that catches dust and blocks some of the heat radiated from the engine from being seen, after that you just have to deal with usual hovertank problems and you got yourself what equates to a Hetzer and a Hellcat having a scifi baby.
It also helps with the Don't get hit-layer of the onion, depending on the enemy's targeting and/or guidance system. Even if the enemy sees you with one sensor system, their weapon might use another sensor.
I like your blueprint style thumbnail. But when a vid shows up in my feed and i see the thumbnail i can be hard to know if i have watched the vid or not without reading the titel. But i love this style of series keep up the good work man!
Honestly for stealth vehicles one major thing I do in games like space engineers is not even give the enemy a radar to find me with. Basically, if you can cut all comms & other basic systems, the enemy will have a harder time tracking your radar signature. Can't track what isn't there, after all. In fact if I play multiplayer, I likely combine a lack of radar with a high amount of camouflage to make me essentially invisible on my home terrain, and in space I try to match it up with the skybox, which usually involves a lot of black and dark blues. It's fairly easy to camouflage in Space Engineers, but it's also applicable to some real world ideas.
You probably know about the Spähpanzer Luchs, but it was a very silent recon vehicle/"tank" of the bundeswehr. There are storys of soildiers in manouvers at night getting bumped in the back by a luchs when halting not knowing that it was there before.
When I first saw your videos in my recommended, they were no voice over and just about war thunder, I was a bit annoyed. I think it's a decent game, what I wished world of tanks would've done at some point with the inclusion of modern vehicles. But now that I've found your narrated videos I'm enjoying them very much. You have a lot of knowledge and do your research on subjects. One of the best I've seen was about the gas turbine engine of the Abrams. I was a US Army tanker for 7 years, and if you need some inside opinions or real life experience about what life is like on a tank, or any additional input I think views might enjoy that content. I've noticed that some interview type videos get a bunch of attention from the military vehicle enthusiast community. I'd definitely be up for doing an interview or anything like answering questions. Would love to contribute if you want to produce that sort of content or even be able to use it in videos in the future about tactics or some questions you might have. Either way, love your content bro.
A hybrid-powered, wheeled IFV sounds like a good idea. Its a start anyway. Especially for IFVs built specifically for scout/recon. For long distance and highspeed travel, the diesel engine is used. For relatively upclose and short range, the e-motors take over. And the e-motors dont really need to be as powerful as the diesel engine coz despite that silent e-motor, all that speed will make alot of tire noise. So e-motor for stalking speeds. Im not sure how effective (or how it even works, if it works at all) but the germans were testing demagnetisation tech on their new subs. Degaussing is the term if im not mistaken. They could apply that to tanks. Road wheels r the best for acoustics without a doubt when compared to tracks, coz even with rubber pads, the clashing of metal between the links and the sprocket is a source of noise as well as heat. RCS is probably the tougher nut to crack, but it seems someone already tried a crack at it. Note that something like this, with all the above mentioned mods, will be horrible as an assault vehicle, but excellent for special ops/infiltration missions and these special vehicles can play role as the hidden command centre. Basically a ninja IFV. A Shadow tank. Ooh.. that sounds nice 😂
For every measure, there will be a countermeasure. You will see detection systems that work on sound, IR, Ultraviolet, visual, radar, chemical detection, vibration, magnetic, etc... Then you you see infantry using some type of "painting" system to mark targets with a transmitter, radioactive element, or something to cover the tank to neutralize the stealth materials. I can see a forward observer calling in artillery with air burst ordnance with a substance to cover and neutralize stealth tech.
To put a slight correction, although electric engines are virtually silent, it does however produces a sound wave that’s very audible to sensitive ears and specialized sensors. Therefore additional treatments must be in place to make it truly virtually silent
The most likely thing to be close to the function of a stealth tank would be an armored car or some other similarly armored wheeled vehicle with missiles or a recoilless system and an autocannon. Hybrid engine able to cover a reasonable range electrically but is still focused on IC power, wheel flaps all around to avoid kicking up dust as much as possible, radar absorbing paint, shrouded autocannon barrel and receiver. As much of a low profile as possible while still making it easy to evacuate the vehicle and operate the needed machinery.
Small bit with stealth tanks, folks wanting the sci-fi version like the Nod Stealth Tank would often ignore how much electricity it would both produce and consume to keep the optical/electronic camouflage system operational while moving and then there's the EMP effect as well.
yeah the Nod stealth tank is by no means a good, reliable vehicle even in lore. the early stealth generators of these things had quite a lot of issues, for example it'd freak out and stop working for a considerable amount of time whenever the vehicle fired, it still does that during tiberium wars/kane's wrath but at least the thing re-cloaks immediately. it also has insanely weak armor so if someone gets a shot in its fucked.
Why do tanks have tracks? For weight capacity, ground pressure reduction and improved traction. - For light tanks / IFVs, can we use something that doesn't have the disadvantages of tracks? Yes. Tires. A 6-wheel or 8-wheel setup can trade off armor for mobility to focus on the middle & outer layers of the Survivability Onion. If you use wheels that are both numerous enough and fat enough, you can keep ground PSI down to acceptable levels. - By using wheels, one automatically gets savings in weight, sound, seismic & heat generation. This in turn, allows for a smaller power-train, further reducing weight, space, sound, heat and exhaust. The weight of a tank's track assemblies (the track blocks, road-wheels, drive sprockets, etc...) exceeds 10 tons. That's 1/2 a Stryker's curb weight and 2/3 an MRAP's curb weight. - Basically, don't use tank tracks unless you *REALLY* need the extra weight capacity and traction those give.
Mobile Camo covering such as SAAB’s Barracuda can help reduce multiple signatures to some extent, and it can be made to fit and applied to any vehicle.
stealth tech is important even for something like an mbt. obviously you can't hide it from people, but if you can make it harder to missiles to aquire and track that's a massive bonus.
Stealthy tanks >needs less heat >no chemical trace please Electric engine >recon needs most stealth >speed helps recon >electric engine isnt as powerful at this time SMOL TANK
The US does have a hybrid tracked APC that can go up to 40mph in full electric mode. It makes sense for infantry insertion and extraction and much more so than stealth helicopter if the terrain supports ground vehicles.
Great video Spookston, I believe that a Hybrid Diesel/Electric drive in a vehicle like the CV-90/T-120 shown here is the answer as to lighter tank/scout/recon/IFV/Utility vehicles. The CV-90 series probably encompasses this concept of a single chassis type for all uses better than any other track system currently in use. And the type already has been demoed with "Rubber-Band" type tracks which greatly reduce the audio signature of the vehicle as well as lowers crew fatigue.
You mentioned the Leopard 1 stealth prototype. I might be mistaken, but the prototype in question would actually circulate exhaust throughout the composites placed on the hull so that the heat signature was diffused and overall less noticeable.
Good thing about radar stealth is that the same principles you want in creating good armor coincidentally makes them kinda stealthy if you’re looking at the right direction. Most AFVs already avoid right angles in their design when Leo king at them head on.
As discussed below, electric will fix a couple of things, and fuck up many, mainly do to space and weight. However a hybrid setup, where the system can run fully electrically for small periods of time (stealth combat, ambush, recognisance) and use the engines for normal operation/charging sounds like a more reasonable compromise, specially since the electric motors can generally replace the mechanical transmission, saving space.
So: hydrogen fuel cell electric motor, all terrain fit optical camouflage, radar absorbing material, better suspension, and ever more compact and remote controlled parts. That looks pretty stealth to me. But, I might be wrong because I don’t know anything.
"Reducing a tanks magnetic signature is more difficult" If you have an electric engine yes. But except for that, amagnetic steel does exist. Germany uses it in its submarines to prevent them from being tracked using magnetometric satellites, though most nations they build their subs for opt for american submarine steel instead because its much cheaper. I cant tell you if that steel would be of any use for building tanks, but considering that demagnetizing steel hulls in ships has been around eversince the invention of magnetic detonators in WW2 and probably even earlier than that, i dont think that making amagnetic tank steel or tank steel that can be demagnetized is that much of a challenge, especially considering that warships still have to deal with gun attacks, though less frequently nowadays, and submarines usually not at all, and steel doesnt care wether that gun thats aiming at it is mounted to a tank or a ship. Source: My dad, whose job it is to build those subs.
If you're planning on doing more videos on mechs you should check out knightmare frames from Code Geass. Just enough armor that small arms aren't a issue and enough sensors and speed to dodge anything large enough to cause serious damage. Also a nice touch is that the pilots can eject and that ligaments of the mech can be rapidly replaced in the field.
A pure electric drive would require a new type of non-chemical electrical storage/generation, i.e. small scale fission/fusion. We're unlikely to see such systems soon. Current high-end electrical storage is lithium-based, which has less energy per ton and per unit of volume than diesel. Also you can't draw as much power out if they get to hot or cold, while diesel always releases a set amount of energy. Lithium is also expensive and burns forever--for efficiency, lithium power packs are made of thousands of small cells. Once one cell burns, it damages the casing of the surrounding cells which WILL catch fire sometime, up to days later. It's called thermal runaway. Also, lithium takes a long time to charge--a full day or more. Instead of refueling by fuel hose, you'd have to crane out multi-ton power banks and replace them, then hook those banks to a charger and pray your logistics trail is uninterrupted for a full day. All in all, pure electric drives are currently the opposite of what tanks need for a power supply. The deficiencies of petroleum burners don't hold a candle to the benefits. All of that said... A hybrid-electric recon tank/IFV that can sneak a few miles on pure battery could be useful, especially on a picket line.
I thik you're right, i mena the stealth will be only on recon light tanks, i belive the same, but i think since almost every modern tank has heat visions, the "heat stealth" could become the part of any future MBT. Since it's a bit less likely to detect it to far range (there won't be a small white point in the gray stuff). And i think camo is still an important thing, and if they will make this, it will be even more, becouse if the heat vision can't spot it on the battlefield, than they have to cover it from human eyes.
Ey I love your videos. I'm very curious about understanding how actually all this technology is shaping modern warfare, because it seems to get so sophisticated that eventually it won't look anything like how it's portrayed on media or videogames, like aerial combats are always beyond visual range and relay on very complex technology. I don't know if you could actually address this topic because almost all wars since WWII have been counterinsurgency, but it would be pretty cool to see how everything you've covered behaves in the real world
I'm guessing the thermal pads are based on some sort of peltier technology or something like that. If so, it is probably possible to embed them within the armor of a tank (or a thin outer armor) rather than use those bulky looking tiles. Heck, a flexible film or sheet is probably not too far off, which would make covering a tank a lot easier. Whatever form thermal camouflage takes though, it probably wouldn't be too hard to control them to maintain a thermal "image" while moving--imagine projecting an image on a rotating object. Despite its rotation the image stays the same. Only now there's no projector, just a dusplay covering the entire object.
Recon is being replaced by drones. Guess could be used for tank hunting, but Ukraine has sort of shown that really is not a significant role (mines and atgm ambushes probably). Infantry support is the main role of tanks, and part of this is bunker busting, so it is basically the same. Exploitation suffers from mines and ATGM traps. Probably more so than ever the Tank' s major role is infantry support.
So, in C&C3, Nod finally stops using stealth tanks as the high tier mbt, and usus it in a light tank ambush roll, with the Avatar, a big flashy robot, to soak all the hits : D
Electric engines would presumably reduce the seismic signature as well. Since you discussed electric engines, a big problem with electric engines is that batteries and/or fuel-cells would pose a new fire/explosive hazard to the tank and it's crew that would have to be accounted for and worked around, especially if battery and fuel-cell technology continues to improve (which there of course is no guarantee that it will).
Maybe soemthing on american Rapid Deployment Force 75mm ELKE project? Especially one with elevating externally mounted gun. In my opinion this concept has a lot of potential (but obviously some drawbacks too).
Full stealth makes sense on an aircraft as those systems weigh less than the amount of armor needed to defend the aircraft and pilot. For tanks, weight is less of an issue, but still can be a problem with logistics and associated transport vehicles. So full stealth doesn't really make sense. Having reduced thermal signature is by far going to be the best return on investment followed by radar cross section reduction and lastly acoustic dampening beyond things that are likely to happen anyway like a hybrid electric powertrain and rubber/ composite tracks instead of metal ones.
Take a look at the Spähpanzer Luchs. It does (did) a lot of the things you talked about. There are some pretty tall tails about how quiet it was. Before its time I guess?
If I remember correctly the challenger 2 'megatron' /life extension program cr2's are almost invisible to thermal cameras the only problem with that though is the tank spews smoke and flames out off the exhaust which ends up silhouetting the tank making the new plates that make it immune to thermal are almost useless
The main thing you'd want to work is reducing and altering visibility. Sound, tremors, etc can alert to your presence, but not to your location - not as precisely as sight, at least
the swedish MCS Barracuda thermal/radar camouflage is the epitome of camo nets for tanks. it lower vehicle's thermal signature by insane amounts and can reduce radar signature that are on millimetre waves. you should take a look at SAAB MCS Barracuda. Stealth is already an option for tanks
I'd try to apply the methods of signature reduction on a vehicle type like the Sd.Kfz.234. It's capable of serving in different roles(20mm cannon, 50mm and 75mm turrets historically), and it has a stable wheel axle system. So design a vehicle of a similar design, then give it an electric engine, an armor covered in an alloy of ceramic-meta material coating. The ceramic should reduce it's thermal signature, and the metamaterials (if you use negative-metamaterials), should minimize it's visible form. It's experimental of course, but it should work.
you forgot the best way to reduce your tank's visibility detection: increase weapons range. Your enemy can't detect your visually if you hit them from five miles away, ivan!
Tanks are big and noisy I have a propose idea My solution use Bikes in the battlefield because it's low profile,mobile, no noise being produced, can be camouflage and cheap
I agree with you about stealth tanks not being the best option. Stealth tanks would be excruciatingly expensive for a tank, probably as much as a jet honestly if you cover everything you said in the video, and there is always says to counter things. But yeah, the roll should stick to light tanks for recon only.
There is one topic that I'm fairly curious about, and that is armored vehicles in urban areas. Since urban fighting is only going to increase, will there be purpose-designed vehicles? and what would they look like? Some vehicles that come to mind: USA has JLTV's and IFV's, focussing on speed. Many western nations also have lots of IFV's Russia has a few prototype BPMT Terminator tanks, focussing on fire support. Israel has the Namer for safe troop transport, and up-armored bulldozers for clearing the many obstacles a city provides. Now infantry is always going to be the most important part of any urban warfare, but I'd still want to hear your thoughts of the supporting vehicles in urban areas, as I think it's an interesting topic.
When I was 9 I came up with a way to make a stealth tank equipped with holographic camouflage scales, radar jammers, an electric engine, wide rubber tracks to reduce marks on terrain, and a "suppressed 65mm gun"
I can see stealth being used for recon much more fully then for a tank. At the end of the day recons job is to see the enemy without them seeing you. And the last thing you want is to get into a shooting match as then they know you've seen them.
A Fully electric Tank is a pretty bad idea. But a hybrid one, using a DIesel as a Generator would work, normally using the diesel and using the EV alone when in "stealth mode", also EV motors have way better torque than normal engines so better movility too
I wonder if wheels would be preferable against tracks on a stealth armored vehicle, the fewer moving parts and rubber could help damper sound, seismic and even heat signatures I believe
I would think using rubber tires and wheels over tracks would take care of some noise problems, but then it wouldn’t exactly be a “tank” in the sense this video is talking about.
could using a big batteryblock help with electric tanks, one that is made out of most of the middle back that can de detached and replaced with a fresh one or a modern more powerfull one. and could water spouts aimed a few meters in front of the tracks on dry/dusty area's to keep dust from coming up or using vacuums like what some kinds of drills and saws use and make the dust wet so it becomes mud and could be either dripped or dumped when it isn't needed anymore. maybe creating a similar system as the warthog from the halo franchise used to gain hydrogen from moist air. or using the sweat from the people within to get the water, maybe using an aircon system to pull the moistre from the air partly sending it back to the crew so they can operate longer and the rest is used fr dust management.
Everything wrong with Red Alert 2 and Generals (including Zero Hour vehicles) vehicles next please. I want to hear your opinion especially on General Kwai's Emperor Overlord and General Townes' Laser Crusader Tank. Edit: Also, don't forget the Allied Battle Fortress, Allied Tank Destroyer, Allied Black Eagle Jet, Soviet Apocalypse Tank, Soviet Tesla Tank, Yuri's Master Mind, Yuri's Lasher Tank, and Yuri's Magnetron in Red Alert 2 Yuri's Revenge's universe.
What about light bending meta-materials? There are a bunch of prototypes for invisibility cloaks. It’ll probably take a while to reach the level for a full vehicle but in 30 years or so there certainly could be invisible tanks.
What about a return to the idea that tanks are expendable similar to what was experimented in the early days of the Cold War. For example a mbt that has enough armor to stop small arms fire but easily get penetrated and destroyed. The trade off being lots of firepower for low survivability. This could allow for more “stealth tanks” while maintaining their current effectiveness
When I read the notification I just imagined a tank with a giant silencer on the barrel.
A tank suppreser does/did exist.
@@bluewolf194 Though it's a stationary one, made to reduce noise from test fires.
Tank guns cant be suppressed. I mean they can but it looks like this.
i.redd.it/6k141jia1x221.jpg
Dont ask me why the Bundeswehr even made a prototype for that. They must be compensateing for something.
That exists. It looks like a giant penis.
@@jakobc.2558 It is clear which army won this years dick measuring contest.
On a more serious note, those artillery suppressors are used in maneuver areas with nearby villages. So they can blast away without disturbing the people living there. Germany is rather densely settled which limits the amount of possible large training grounds.
Imagine scouting in a bush and you turn around and there's a tank right behind with it's gun pointed directly at you. Sneak 100
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The canadian poling out of the tank: I'm sorry bout this eh.
Someone call for a Mirage?
_Stealth Tank, cleared for combat._
Nothing here but us trees
*nam flashbacks*
most OP ground defense tbh
@@MazterHuntR Mirage tank, AKA five Vietcong soldiers in a big tank-shaped box carrying a bazooka instead of the main gun.
@Plant plant Who are you?
@@martydi2519 Instead of a bazooka, it's more of an AT-rifle with incendiary ammo.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the Ariete getting an overpen double kill at 4:47
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Ah... PL-01 - also known as - Vaporware - vehicle edition.
Fun fact about this - when it was presented a good couple of years ago... I could not shake off the feeling that people presenting it had zero idea what this thing was supposed to be for.
They advertised it as a lightly armoured, close range support tank for use in urban environments, with anti-radar stealth capabilities. Pretty much all statements contradicting one another.
Light armour in urban, close support role - no, just no. When in close support, you want some decent protection.
Urban environment and anti-radar shielding - why? Urban environment basically denies large portion of radar equipment, while close range role means that that visual detection is most likely by far. If this thing was advertised as a recon and mid to long range support vehicle, it would make some sense...
HidesHisFace yeah please stop talking about this mess, the tank was an embarrassment lol. It never even saw the light of day. I’m polish, and I’m ashamed of that mess... the PL-01 is best forgotten
@@marcelburdon9795 Ojjj tak. Wyszło jak zawsze.
The worst part about PL-01 is that this is not even a proper prototype - is is basically an elaborate mockup slapped on top of a Swedish CV90.
From what I remember, the mockup was actually so shoddy, it could not even rotate the turret.
In other words, this damn thing is about as real as power armoured infantry and mechs from Ghana.
It is like it is designed to use in a video game and not in actual practical combat. I saw it the first time and legit thought it is a tank from CnC series.
For real man. If they removed every second word from the description, it would actually get better. It's like the advertisement team opened a dictionary on "modern combat" section and just copied random words
If I was the one designing PL-01 I'd just double down on stealth and make it into an Ambush MBT:
-Big gun for its size, maybe even 130 mm. Probably would have to make it a side-loaded RAVEN cannon just so that it fits in the turret and the recoil isn't obnoxious
-Rather thin armor
-As quick as possible
*-ALL* the stealth
Eee do you know that this never meant to be real tank? it was just part of politics vs military, some BS about polish tank so they made this design and mockup in like couple hours/days so politics would left them in peace. And to this day I see even serious western channels talking about this BS
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Camera: *Looks at the stealth tank*
Stealth Tank: *Disappears*
*adios*
"Change the world, my final message goodbye"
About thermal signatures. Having a a physical barrier between the heated parts and the tank do help hugely. This can be done by just covering your tank in branches, preferably pine, or having a dedicated 'coat' for the tank that you can see being tested in several nations already.
I can speak from experience that those can completely mask a tanks thermal image, especially from the front, and help camouflage it even better against the naked eye.
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Nod's stealth tanks use missiles rather then a cannon. Are missiles a good choice over a cannon in reality, or is it a case by case thing where it's yes and no?
Really just depends on the role of the vehicle
I don't know if this is completely wrong, but I feel like missiles could produce a larger heat signature than a cannon.
Marco Lu
It also can be shot out of the sky, not so easy with a cannon shot
That was supposed to be the role of the F-117 but turns out internal bays for A2A missiles have too many problems so it was relegated to a ground attack role. To be honest it should have never had the F designation but some AF General wanted the F because "Fighter Pilots Dar De Bestest Pilots In DA Whole Wide Worldz" and "Dis Wuz Da Bestest". Well the F-117 no longer flies now. Sheer F*ck*ng Hubris.
@@octo8715 Somewhat, but most of the heat goes with the missile, tubes generally don't stay hot because they don't have the mass a barrel needs. You could also eject the tube once fired as a heat sink.
It really depends on the role they have to play as well. Backing up infantry in urban combat is a place where no amount of stealth is going to help, but creeping across a field/plan/desert at night, a bit of stealth would be useful to help you avoid getting spotted so early.
6:10 Also light tanks would already produce lower signatures and be more cost effective to cover in special composite.
Talking about tracks... I think the aforementioned track technology is around. Band tracks, named because they're effectively large rubber bands, do wonders to reduce the noise given off by tracks. They do have their drawbacks such as difficulty in repairing them as well as lesser durability, but by removing a lot of the moving metal parts (rubber road wheels and pads can help make metal tracks quieter, but there will always be metal-on-metal interface with the drive sprocket and the track pins) it will undoubtedly reduce noise.
In fact, many lighter vehicles such as the M113 and the CV90 have been adapted to use band tracks, are relatively common on various heavy equipment used in construction and farming, and such tracks have been used historically on the US M3 series of half-tracks.
I don't think you can go wrong with using band tracks on a stealth tank, especially when said tank would be a recon vehicle.
Germans with their half tracks: put a metal track where each link has to be individually assembled and lubricated
Americans: Let's just put a rubber band around the rear wheels of a scout car
@@b-chroniumproductions3177 pickup or other truck
>and sometimes light tanks and infantry fighting vehicles for reconnaissance
flashbacks of evil Yugoslav M-84 recon tank from Wargame
Wait is it op there? *Happy yugoslav noises*
I still have ptsd from Senke
U mean hero Yugoslavian tanks holding back those evil Abrams, Leopards and worst of all merkavas like seriously how do fit 20 people in a tank and still have 12 shots and a grenade launcher.
@@ALV694 Israeli Archmages
@@youronlinegirlfriend5508 more like Israeli bias and blufor bias.
I was thinking of stealth tanks like the Ezekiel's Wheel that are less for recon and more for hit-and-run attacks. Stay quiet, move inconspicuously, open fire and then retreat once the target is destroyed.
As for the Allied Mirage Tank, it's supposed to be an ambush unit, hence the mirage generator that makes it look like a local tree.
Speaking of the PL-01, have you done a video on it?
Or, if not, would you do one?
+1
It was just a piece of cardboard on a T-55 (or on something else i'm not 100% sure), there is litteraly nothing to talk about, that "tank" is just as much of a tank as a couple boxes taped together by a kid in a way that makes them vaguely resemble a tank
"Enemy can't shoot you if they don't see you"
Serbs: You challenge me?
*Serbian Shells are Led by God's Hand plays in the distance*
@@kabob0077 I think you mean Surface-to-Air missiles.
@@Marinealver I mean this czcams.com/video/A6a_Ei3i0sk/video.html
@@kabob0077 I never see those thing hit anything IRL.
@@Marinealver They hit Sarajevo many times
You should do another 40k tech video, I'd be interested as to what you think of the Tau vehicles
We already have Stealth Tanks. Put a tank behind a hill, and you can no longer see it.
The reason why stealth technology is more prevalent in Air and Seagoing vessels is because there is nothing in between you and the enemy. You see them, they see you nothing gets in the way save for the occasional cloud or landmass. The Comanche (aka Stealth Apache) is the prime example as it was canceled, Helicopters rely more on the Terrain for its concealment than any electronic warfare. As for sea there is some stealth technology for surface vessels, but everyone knows the stealth vessel is the submarine.
Polish have stealth tank called pl-01. The model is also used in GTA 5
@@ALV694 have... Hah, that's a good joke - that was just a wooden mock-up on CV-90 chassis
The Comanche was canceled not because of terrain allowing it to be stealthy, but because Congress axed it during the post-Cold War cuts. A lot of equipment that the US was about to deploy but got axed at the last moment can trace it's problems with Congress.
@@ALV694 I won't be using GTA 5 as a reliable source for military vehicles.
@@Jfk2Mr well everything needs a mock-up, heck t14 armata was first initially a mock up of t95.
3:56 Ferdinand Porsche: Hey, I've seen this one before!
Porsche didnt use hybrids, he used a generator on an electric transmission
I feel like a lot of problems would be solved by building a tank with an electric engine. Someone should get Elon Musk on that.
@Plant plant why do you go around and say "ewww you [topic]"
Plant plant do you have anything better to do with you life?
@@re57k He never got attention as a child.
FYI: Don't bother, specimen like this one grow bored when no one responds to them.
It also forces you to rethink episodes on laser and magnetic accelerators as electic tanks ALREADY have needed equipment.
They will be electric tank when they it will be possible to store HUGE amount of electric energy in a somewhat close space that could not be extremely unstable and catch fire/explode, so in a long time most probably.
I've been really enjoying and learning some things with these videos, hoping you keep them coming! Also, was wondering if you'd like to do a "Everything Wrong with" for Steel Battalion. I love me some mechs but you do make compelling arguments on how impractical they'd be.
Would be somewhat difficult to get material for that, I think.
Can you do a video on the ground base vehicles in Star Wars Empire at War Forces of Corruption of the Empire, Rebellion, and Zann Consortium and Starcraft vehicles please?
@Plant plant . . . you sir have the stupid. He was clearly talking star wars. specifically empire at war. One of the best modded games out their.
@Plant plant nice b8, troll. Gotta try harder than that.
Also: Canderous Tanks! Should be renamed *Cancerous*
@@bluecaptainIT The Canderous Tank might be one of the most broken things ever. Can trade fire with an AT-AT and win.
There is literally only one tank in sc2, and other vehicles worth mentioning is Thor and diamondbacks
@@BoisegangGaming dont forget its round home onto enemy targests.
Very thought-provoking video. A recon vehicle tailored to meet all these stealth criteria would be one tough to spot little bugger when stationary. And MBTs would benefit too, even if by necessity they can't be designed to be quite as stealthy.
Please do a video on Tracks Vs Tires for armored vehicles!
Currently, my sci-fi series has tanks with electric motors in each of the six tires, and a supercharged six-cylinder generator providing battery power to them, and to the coilgun or railgun turret. (coilgun for command tank, railgun for regular)
An additional benefit to a hybrid electric system would be the simplification of suspension components, with no need to run driveshafts or brake hoses to the track/tyres, and the lack of need for a transmission.
Now that you have talked about em in this video, any chance we can get a mirage, prism or stealth tank vid from you? Actually more C&C tank vids?
1:50 Going along with this chain:
Cloaking seems out of the question for the time...
Railguns or coilguns as a main weapon might be effective as a main weapon on a stealth tank, if they would produce no smoke, and at the very least, less heat...?
Would a hovercraft be effective against seismic Radar, acoustic sound from the treads, and from kicking up too much dust? Combined with the fact that hovertanks would have to be smaller, they'd be the PERFECT low-ground stealth tank... Right?
So basically, the idea is... Thin Hovertank with a Coilgun as its base weapon; simpler than a railgun tank, still hits fast and hard to get out alive. After all, this tank shouldn't be fighting an abrams intentionally.
I would imagine the system needed to lift the tank off the ground would probably kick up a lot of dusk, if not more than a tank due to having to rely on jets and fans depending on how it's handled. That say though if the railgun/coilgun or other gun that's not a traditional tank cannon has a low enough recoil that could actually potentially justify the hovertank despite it's flaws. The main problems I imagine would be A: Heat and B: Dust, so maybe have some sort of skirt bellow the tank that catches dust and blocks some of the heat radiated from the engine from being seen, after that you just have to deal with usual hovertank problems and you got yourself what equates to a Hetzer and a Hellcat having a scifi baby.
@@Marxman-bi5yu
heck yeah.
How are they hovering that would likely kick up dust
It would also require a powerful engine
So noisy
And big heat signature
4:37 I'm gonna say the H word!
*Hover Tank.*
Except he made an entire video explaining why a hover tank is just a useless helicopter
@@olegoleg258 Hence why the hover tank is the H Word. It's an insult to basic logic.
It also helps with the Don't get hit-layer of the onion, depending on the enemy's targeting and/or guidance system. Even if the enemy sees you with one sensor system, their weapon might use another sensor.
I like your blueprint style thumbnail. But when a vid shows up in my feed and i see the thumbnail i can be hard to know if i have watched the vid or not without reading the titel.
But i love this style of series keep up the good work man!
What i mean by it is they look very much the same when not side by side.
Honestly for stealth vehicles one major thing I do in games like space engineers is not even give the enemy a radar to find me with. Basically, if you can cut all comms & other basic systems, the enemy will have a harder time tracking your radar signature. Can't track what isn't there, after all. In fact if I play multiplayer, I likely combine a lack of radar with a high amount of camouflage to make me essentially invisible on my home terrain, and in space I try to match it up with the skybox, which usually involves a lot of black and dark blues. It's fairly easy to camouflage in Space Engineers, but it's also applicable to some real world ideas.
You probably know about the Spähpanzer Luchs, but it was a very silent recon vehicle/"tank" of the bundeswehr. There are storys of soildiers in manouvers at night getting bumped in the back by a luchs when halting not knowing that it was there before.
When I first saw your videos in my recommended, they were no voice over and just about war thunder, I was a bit annoyed. I think it's a decent game, what I wished world of tanks would've done at some point with the inclusion of modern vehicles. But now that I've found your narrated videos I'm enjoying them very much. You have a lot of knowledge and do your research on subjects. One of the best I've seen was about the gas turbine engine of the Abrams. I was a US Army tanker for 7 years, and if you need some inside opinions or real life experience about what life is like on a tank, or any additional input I think views might enjoy that content. I've noticed that some interview type videos get a bunch of attention from the military vehicle enthusiast community. I'd definitely be up for doing an interview or anything like answering questions. Would love to contribute if you want to produce that sort of content or even be able to use it in videos in the future about tactics or some questions you might have. Either way, love your content bro.
The enemy can't see you if they're dead.
*Insert Roll Safe Meme*
To remove the threat of magnetic mines, ships would degaus themselves in ww2. I bet you could apply that to neutralize magnetism in a tank
A hybrid-powered, wheeled IFV sounds like a good idea. Its a start anyway. Especially for IFVs built specifically for scout/recon.
For long distance and highspeed travel, the diesel engine is used. For relatively upclose and short range, the e-motors take over. And the e-motors dont really need to be as powerful as the diesel engine coz despite that silent e-motor, all that speed will make alot of tire noise. So e-motor for stalking speeds.
Im not sure how effective (or how it even works, if it works at all) but the germans were testing demagnetisation tech on their new subs. Degaussing is the term if im not mistaken. They could apply that to tanks.
Road wheels r the best for acoustics without a doubt when compared to tracks, coz even with rubber pads, the clashing of metal between the links and the sprocket is a source of noise as well as heat.
RCS is probably the tougher nut to crack, but it seems someone already tried a crack at it.
Note that something like this, with all the above mentioned mods, will be horrible as an assault vehicle, but excellent for special ops/infiltration missions and these special vehicles can play role as the hidden command centre.
Basically a ninja IFV. A Shadow tank. Ooh.. that sounds nice 😂
Spook, you are amazingly solid in your arguments. Keep on the good work, man :D
Loving these man, keep up the awesome work
For every measure, there will be a countermeasure. You will see detection systems that work on sound, IR, Ultraviolet, visual, radar, chemical detection, vibration, magnetic, etc... Then you you see infantry using some type of "painting" system to mark targets with a transmitter, radioactive element, or something to cover the tank to neutralize the stealth materials. I can see a forward observer calling in artillery with air burst ordnance with a substance to cover and neutralize stealth tech.
The problem is that it wouldn't be designated as a tank at that point. It would probably have a different designation if it wee developed.
To put a slight correction, although electric engines are virtually silent, it does however produces a sound wave that’s very audible to sensitive ears and specialized sensors. Therefore additional treatments must be in place to make it truly virtually silent
The most likely thing to be close to the function of a stealth tank would be an armored car or some other similarly armored wheeled vehicle with missiles or a recoilless system and an autocannon.
Hybrid engine able to cover a reasonable range electrically but is still focused on IC power, wheel flaps all around to avoid kicking up dust as much as possible, radar absorbing paint, shrouded autocannon barrel and receiver.
As much of a low profile as possible while still making it easy to evacuate the vehicle and operate the needed machinery.
Small bit with stealth tanks, folks wanting the sci-fi version like the Nod Stealth Tank would often ignore how much electricity it would both produce and consume to keep the optical/electronic camouflage system operational while moving and then there's the EMP effect as well.
yeah the Nod stealth tank is by no means a good, reliable vehicle even in lore. the early stealth generators of these things had quite a lot of issues, for example it'd freak out and stop working for a considerable amount of time whenever the vehicle fired, it still does that during tiberium wars/kane's wrath but at least the thing re-cloaks immediately. it also has insanely weak armor so if someone gets a shot in its fucked.
I honestly love these videos and they help me a lot with the book I plan to write.
Why do tanks have tracks? For weight capacity, ground pressure reduction and improved traction.
- For light tanks / IFVs, can we use something that doesn't have the disadvantages of tracks? Yes. Tires.
A 6-wheel or 8-wheel setup can trade off armor for mobility to focus on the middle & outer layers of the Survivability Onion. If you use wheels that are both numerous enough and fat enough, you can keep ground PSI down to acceptable levels.
- By using wheels, one automatically gets savings in weight, sound, seismic & heat generation. This in turn, allows for a smaller power-train, further reducing weight, space, sound, heat and exhaust. The weight of a tank's track assemblies (the track blocks, road-wheels, drive sprockets, etc...) exceeds 10 tons. That's 1/2 a Stryker's curb weight and 2/3 an MRAP's curb weight.
- Basically, don't use tank tracks unless you *REALLY* need the extra weight capacity and traction those give.
Mobile Camo covering such as SAAB’s Barracuda can help reduce multiple signatures to some extent, and it can be made to fit and applied to any vehicle.
stealth tech is important even for something like an mbt. obviously you can't hide it from people, but if you can make it harder to missiles to aquire and track that's a massive bonus.
Stealthy tanks
>needs less heat
>no chemical trace please
Electric engine
>recon needs most stealth
>speed helps recon
>electric engine isnt as powerful at this time
SMOL TANK
The US does have a hybrid tracked APC that can go up to 40mph in full electric mode. It makes sense for infantry insertion and extraction and much more so than stealth helicopter if the terrain supports ground vehicles.
Very informative video, like it! Keep this series on track ;). Respect from Romania! (sorry for my bad english, have a nice day)
The outro music sounds an awful lot like the Mechanicus mix! I think Mandalore gaming had it in his recent Mechanicum game and I love it man!
Great video Spookston, I believe that a Hybrid Diesel/Electric drive in a vehicle like the CV-90/T-120 shown here is the answer as to lighter tank/scout/recon/IFV/Utility vehicles. The CV-90 series probably encompasses this concept of a single chassis type for all uses better than any other track system currently in use. And the type already has been demoed with "Rubber-Band" type tracks which greatly reduce the audio signature of the vehicle as well as lowers crew fatigue.
You mentioned the Leopard 1 stealth prototype. I might be mistaken, but the prototype in question would actually circulate exhaust throughout the composites placed on the hull so that the heat signature was diffused and overall less noticeable.
Good thing about radar stealth is that the same principles you want in creating good armor coincidentally makes them kinda stealthy if you’re looking at the right direction. Most AFVs already avoid right angles in their design when Leo king at them head on.
As discussed below, electric will fix a couple of things, and fuck up many, mainly do to space and weight. However a hybrid setup, where the system can run fully electrically for small periods of time (stealth combat, ambush, recognisance) and use the engines for normal operation/charging sounds like a more reasonable compromise, specially since the electric motors can generally replace the mechanical transmission, saving space.
So: hydrogen fuel cell electric motor, all terrain fit optical camouflage, radar absorbing material,
better suspension, and ever more compact and remote controlled parts. That looks pretty stealth to me. But, I might be wrong because I don’t know anything.
Last time I was this early soviet tanks were kurbstomp the Germans late war
@Plant plant Russian bias? I think you mean historically accurate, comrade.
Imagine liking Russian tenks
@@M50A1 Sounds like something someone who keeps getting fucked by KV-1s would say but alright
Last time I was this early the panzerwaffe was curbstomping the Soviets early war.
Armed cybertruck is a pretty good stealth tank just hope the enimy doesn't know its weaknesses like the windows
Heh
"Reducing a tanks magnetic signature is more difficult"
If you have an electric engine yes. But except for that, amagnetic steel does exist. Germany uses it in its submarines to prevent them from being tracked using magnetometric satellites, though most nations they build their subs for opt for american submarine steel instead because its much cheaper. I cant tell you if that steel would be of any use for building tanks, but considering that demagnetizing steel hulls in ships has been around eversince the invention of magnetic detonators in WW2 and probably even earlier than that, i dont think that making amagnetic tank steel or tank steel that can be demagnetized is that much of a challenge, especially considering that warships still have to deal with gun attacks, though less frequently nowadays, and submarines usually not at all, and steel doesnt care wether that gun thats aiming at it is mounted to a tank or a ship.
Source: My dad, whose job it is to build those subs.
If you're planning on doing more videos on mechs you should check out knightmare frames from Code Geass. Just enough armor that small arms aren't a issue and enough sensors and speed to dodge anything large enough to cause serious damage. Also a nice touch is that the pilots can eject and that ligaments of the mech can be rapidly replaced in the field.
A pure electric drive would require a new type of non-chemical electrical storage/generation, i.e. small scale fission/fusion. We're unlikely to see such systems soon. Current high-end electrical storage is lithium-based, which has less energy per ton and per unit of volume than diesel. Also you can't draw as much power out if they get to hot or cold, while diesel always releases a set amount of energy. Lithium is also expensive and burns forever--for efficiency, lithium power packs are made of thousands of small cells. Once one cell burns, it damages the casing of the surrounding cells which WILL catch fire sometime, up to days later. It's called thermal runaway. Also, lithium takes a long time to charge--a full day or more. Instead of refueling by fuel hose, you'd have to crane out multi-ton power banks and replace them, then hook those banks to a charger and pray your logistics trail is uninterrupted for a full day.
All in all, pure electric drives are currently the opposite of what tanks need for a power supply. The deficiencies of petroleum burners don't hold a candle to the benefits.
All of that said... A hybrid-electric recon tank/IFV that can sneak a few miles on pure battery could be useful, especially on a picket line.
I thik you're right, i mena the stealth will be only on recon light tanks, i belive the same, but i think since almost every modern tank has heat visions, the "heat stealth" could become the part of any future MBT. Since it's a bit less likely to detect it to far range (there won't be a small white point in the gray stuff). And i think camo is still an important thing, and if they will make this, it will be even more, becouse if the heat vision can't spot it on the battlefield, than they have to cover it from human eyes.
Ey I love your videos. I'm very curious about understanding how actually all this technology is shaping modern warfare, because it seems to get so sophisticated that eventually it won't look anything like how it's portrayed on media or videogames, like aerial combats are always beyond visual range and relay on very complex technology. I don't know if you could actually address this topic because almost all wars since WWII have been counterinsurgency, but it would be pretty cool to see how everything you've covered behaves in the real world
I like your videos :) and your closing song selection
I'm guessing the thermal pads are based on some sort of peltier technology or something like that. If so, it is probably possible to embed them within the armor of a tank (or a thin outer armor) rather than use those bulky looking tiles. Heck, a flexible film or sheet is probably not too far off, which would make covering a tank a lot easier.
Whatever form thermal camouflage takes though, it probably wouldn't be too hard to control them to maintain a thermal "image" while moving--imagine projecting an image on a rotating object. Despite its rotation the image stays the same. Only now there's no projector, just a dusplay covering the entire object.
Recon is being replaced by drones. Guess could be used for tank hunting, but Ukraine has sort of shown that really is not a significant role (mines and atgm ambushes probably). Infantry support is the main role of tanks, and part of this is bunker busting, so it is basically the same. Exploitation suffers from mines and ATGM traps. Probably more so than ever the Tank' s major role is infantry support.
So, in C&C3, Nod finally stops using stealth tanks as the high tier mbt, and usus it in a light tank ambush roll, with the Avatar, a big flashy robot, to soak all the hits : D
Electric engines would presumably reduce the seismic
signature as well. Since you discussed electric engines, a big problem with electric engines is that batteries and/or fuel-cells would pose a new fire/explosive hazard to the tank and it's crew that would have to be accounted for and worked around, especially if battery and fuel-cell technology continues to improve (which there of course is no guarantee that it will).
I like how the entire time you're driving around in a CV90-120T, the basis for the PL-01.
Maybe soemthing on american Rapid Deployment Force 75mm ELKE project?
Especially one with elevating externally mounted gun.
In my opinion this concept has a lot of potential (but obviously some drawbacks too).
Full stealth makes sense on an aircraft as those systems weigh less than the amount of armor needed to defend the aircraft and pilot.
For tanks, weight is less of an issue, but still can be a problem with logistics and associated transport vehicles. So full stealth doesn't really make sense. Having reduced thermal signature is by far going to be the best return on investment followed by radar cross section reduction and lastly acoustic dampening beyond things that are likely to happen anyway like a hybrid electric powertrain and rubber/ composite tracks instead of metal ones.
Gotta love the nonfunctional aps System on the cv90120, every time I get killed by an atgm I go reee in it
Take a look at the Spähpanzer Luchs. It does (did) a lot of the things you talked about. There are some pretty tall tails about how quiet it was. Before its time I guess?
If I remember correctly the challenger 2 'megatron' /life extension program cr2's are almost invisible to thermal cameras the only problem with that though is the tank spews smoke and flames out off the exhaust which ends up silhouetting the tank making the new plates that make it immune to thermal are almost useless
Finding this channel was one of the best things i did
"Sorry boys, no backup for you. All the tanks are currently charging after their last 8 minutes of combat"
The main thing you'd want to work is reducing and altering visibility. Sound, tremors, etc can alert to your presence, but not to your location - not as precisely as sight, at least
the swedish MCS Barracuda thermal/radar camouflage is the epitome of camo nets for tanks. it lower vehicle's thermal signature by insane amounts and can reduce radar signature that are on millimetre waves. you should take a look at SAAB MCS Barracuda. Stealth is already an option for tanks
0:01
Soldiers: eh, George, i think we have an enemy inbound
Tank: *disapears*
Soldier: ... Eh, forget it
Can you make a video on the radar system of T-14 Armada?
I'd try to apply the methods of signature reduction on a vehicle type like the Sd.Kfz.234. It's capable of serving in different roles(20mm cannon, 50mm and 75mm turrets historically), and it has a stable wheel axle system. So design a vehicle of a similar design, then give it an electric engine, an armor covered in an alloy of ceramic-meta material coating. The ceramic should reduce it's thermal signature, and the metamaterials (if you use negative-metamaterials), should minimize it's visible form. It's experimental of course, but it should work.
you forgot the best way to reduce your tank's visibility detection: increase weapons range.
Your enemy can't detect your visually if you hit them from five miles away, ivan!
Hacks
Tanks are big and noisy
I have a propose idea
My solution use Bikes in the battlefield because it's low profile,mobile, no noise being produced, can be camouflage and cheap
I agree with you about stealth tanks not being the best option. Stealth tanks would be excruciatingly expensive for a tank, probably as much as a jet honestly if you cover everything you said in the video, and there is always says to counter things. But yeah, the roll should stick to light tanks for recon only.
There is one topic that I'm fairly curious about, and that is armored vehicles in urban areas.
Since urban fighting is only going to increase, will there be purpose-designed vehicles? and what would they look like?
Some vehicles that come to mind:
USA has JLTV's and IFV's, focussing on speed. Many western nations also have lots of IFV's
Russia has a few prototype BPMT Terminator tanks, focussing on fire support.
Israel has the Namer for safe troop transport, and up-armored bulldozers for clearing the many obstacles a city provides.
Now infantry is always going to be the most important part of any urban warfare, but I'd still want to hear your thoughts of the supporting vehicles in urban areas, as I think it's an interesting topic.
Seeing the Object 279 is the flavour of the month, maybe a video on that?
When I was 9 I came up with a way to make a stealth tank equipped with holographic camouflage scales, radar jammers, an electric engine, wide rubber tracks to reduce marks on terrain, and a "suppressed 65mm gun"
Holy shit everyone is using the adeptus mechanicus OST and its fucking good.
I can see stealth being used for recon much more fully then for a tank. At the end of the day recons job is to see the enemy without them seeing you. And the last thing you want is to get into a shooting match as then they know you've seen them.
It can be used as tank destroyers operating in the night
hybrid rubber/metallic tracks will be the future to reduce accustic signature including full rubber tracks and their easy to repair
Great vid spook, I always look forward to watching one of your videos especially during this quarantine
Nice surprise with the halo music at the end
A Fully electric Tank is a pretty bad idea. But a hybrid one, using a DIesel as a Generator would work, normally using the diesel and using the EV alone when in "stealth mode", also EV motors have way better torque than normal engines so better movility too
I really like these vids. Really interesting, and the background music fits really well.
I wonder if wheels would be preferable against tracks on a stealth armored vehicle, the fewer moving parts and rubber could help damper sound, seismic and even heat signatures I believe
I would think using rubber tires and wheels over tracks would take care of some noise problems, but then it wouldn’t exactly be a “tank” in the sense this video is talking about.
could using a big batteryblock help with electric tanks, one that is made out of most of the middle back that can de detached and replaced with a fresh one or a modern more powerfull one. and could water spouts aimed a few meters in front of the tracks on dry/dusty area's to keep dust from coming up or using vacuums like what some kinds of drills and saws use and make the dust wet so it becomes mud and could be either dripped or dumped when it isn't needed anymore. maybe creating a similar system as the warthog from the halo franchise used to gain hydrogen from moist air. or using the sweat from the people within to get the water, maybe using an aircon system to pull the moistre from the air partly sending it back to the crew so they can operate longer and the rest is used fr dust management.
Everything wrong with Red Alert 2 and Generals (including Zero Hour vehicles) vehicles next please. I want to hear your opinion especially on General Kwai's Emperor Overlord and General Townes' Laser Crusader Tank.
Edit: Also, don't forget the Allied Battle Fortress, Allied Tank Destroyer, Allied Black Eagle Jet, Soviet Apocalypse Tank, Soviet Tesla Tank, Yuri's Master Mind, Yuri's Lasher Tank, and Yuri's Magnetron in Red Alert 2 Yuri's Revenge's universe.
Yes pleasee!
What about light bending meta-materials? There are a bunch of prototypes for invisibility cloaks. It’ll probably take a while to reach the level for a full vehicle but in 30 years or so there certainly could be invisible tanks.
What about a return to the idea that tanks are expendable similar to what was experimented in the early days of the Cold War. For example a mbt that has enough armor to stop small arms fire but easily get penetrated and destroyed. The trade off being lots of firepower for low survivability. This could allow for more “stealth tanks” while maintaining their current effectiveness