you know i'm really liking all these fall of the samurai videos, but i keep hoping some last samurai fan is just gonna come up to you with a late game full traditional army disaster battle and i'll wait for that day cause it will be glorious.
honesly if you spam shogitai then you can just banzai and charge in and you will win most of the time, since the AI doest use gun unit against melee unit well and they tend to blob up = free kill for shogitai. Unless AI have too much imperial guard infantry otherwise you have no problem at all. but traditional unit sucks in autoresolve so its kinda annoy having to fight most of the battle
Traditional armies actually do pretty well against AI (perhaps in multiplayer too, I didn't play much FotS MP so I wouldn't know). You of course have to know to use them like attacking from the flanks rather than front, using reverse slopes for cover such that the enemy only gets one volley off before melee ensues, or taking advantage of indirect fire capabilities of bow kachi. And of course assassinating enemy general with yari ki. But traditional units beat line infantries really hard in melee even if they start one volley of men short, so 1:5 casualty ratios or better are achievable. The biggest problems are not being able to autoresolve, and some unavoidable casualties if the enemy has artillery supriority, which they have by default since traditional armies won't use artillery.
Full traditional is the way to be. Front line of ashigaru to soak up those beta bullets followed by screaming pajama katana bois. Buzzsaws through tofu.
4:58 7:13 What's he doing? What's Ney doing? Can I leave the field for a minute? What's he doing there? HOW CAN A MAN GO FORWARD WITH CAVALRY WITHOUT INFANTRY SUPPORT!?
Hey! This is mine, and I mistakenly sent in my son and heir vs what I knew to be superior forces, because I had grown used to how strong kneel fire and Kihetai are. Thanks, Legend, you’re the Legend!
I just recently had a situation extremely similar to yours for pretty much the reasons. 6 kihetai and 1 or 2 artillery pieces is more than enough for the vast majority of land battles so the one actual comp with some cavalry really throws it off.
@@commandercorsyeah, I am okay with extremely tough fights, because I normally grind it out, but this one proved intractable, with how strong their rush was. I could rout entire waves, but there would always be more, and flank pressure. I need artillery in this army, to be able to push any further.
Imagine being in the main army and seeing your cavalry detachment chase a lone generals bodyguard, enter some distant woods, and then all of a sudden you hear the echoing sound of hundreds of rifles and muskets between the trees, whilst the white gunpowder smoke rises to the treetops..... and a few moments later that generals bodyguard appears at the edge of the forest again, completely unharmed.....
Legends: It's over AI, I have the high ground. AI: You underestimate my Power. Legends: don't try it AI: *Charges blindly into the forest and gets shredded*
@@greensoldier2142 proper scouting when entering bushy terrain is advised, you dont want to find enemy spear hiding in there. It could be too late to pull out your mobile element once you have committed to a rear charge.
Opposing cavalry chasing after general's bodyguard: "You should've never come here!" Opposing army after cavalry is obliterated: "Must've been the wind"
No artillery? No problem. Once again, Legend's strategic genius shines forth yet again. Even if he cheated on his love hills with forests in this battle.
can we just conclude...its not always the biggest hill thats most attractive! It could be also the bushy side hill...you didn't look at first glance!!! Thanks Legend for the life advice ahahah
Honestly, it may have been relatively simple, but that's a hell of a win with so few troops. Once you have Kneel-Fire and good line and rifle infantry, I find you can do great deeds with few numbers. Baiting all the cav into a slaughter worked flawlessly, and the infantry took massive damage trying to get into the general's range before they even tried to fight
I should clarify. They have a hill. I have the tiny ditch at the bottom. They have mixed units, I have 4 levy infantry. I got both ranks to fire as the enemy came down the hill but I failed to break their melee inf as their matchlock kachi took the first volley, then only one good volley hit the naginata sam charge that ran through their line into mine.
4:587:13 What's he doing? What's Ney doing? Can I leave the field for a minute? What's he doing there? HOW CAN A MAN GO FORWARD WITH CAVALRY WITHOUT INFANTRY SUPPORT!?
God damn Legend im going back to playing FotS. Your videos brought back fond memories. Going to build republic and then shogunate full traditional army. All thx to your videos
had a fight similar to this, 1 arty and outnumbered 2 to1. no high hills, i looked around the map and found an interesting spot to hold up. there was a series of dun like dips in 1 corner of the map. i was able to hide 90% of my army in the low points behind the hills (the hills were basically with the level ground) when they arrived thier troops couldnt see me or shoot me. save for a small spot. which with the way i was setup i was able to rout. this bought time for my arty to do its magic. i charged up from the low point to the high ground at the same time i flanked. mass enemy rout ensued. i lost maybe 25% of my force and annihilated them.
Love him going back to historical titles, feels like it gets a bigger and more friendly audience. I tried my best to like Warhammer but the fantasy stuff gets lost on me
Brilliant battle. I usually zigzag my forces more but exactly how I play these out too. Not difficult if you know what to do. Forest hills are always my preferred when lacking artillery.
Gotta say man, Iately I've been enjoying shogun and medieval 2 disaster battles way more than the last DB from WH3 when you were kind of burned out because of how enthusiastic you are about them. You having fun and enjoying yourself does really have an impact on the content and makes it much better. Keep it up mate, and best wishes!
Loving the return to Shogun vids, honestly! I never did finish a Fall of the Samurai campaign, so maybe that's on the To Do list now haha. I picked up tons of "Good Dos and Dont's" from your Sengoku era vids, any chance of their being some for Fall, i.e. what buildings are good and what are basically 'avoid forever', etc? :)
finally caved in and decided to play Shogun 2; then realized I nabbed it when it was free for a limited time! Shame that the DLC for Fall/Rise of the Samurai is sold as a separate game on Steam...
Fall of the Samurai is really really good. Could not get into vanilla Shogun 2, but FoTS is about the best of TW that I have experienced. Can't believe I didn't play it earlier.
I've been playing Attila a lot recently and seeing how you lost only 6 men by friendly fire in that situation seems like a dream, considering that i just fought a battle where i lost 1100 men and about 700 were friendly fire...
legend, can you please do a livestream of FOTS? I feel like I'm relearning the game correctly this time but there are so much stuff i still don't get mainly campaign and sieges.
What do you mean artillery is key in similar situations? If you added one artillery to Choshu and one cavalry to the other side, that would help you, but then it would really be the same battle but with you having artillery superiority not just "same battle with artillery." If you gave Choshu 3 artillery and Yakahama 3 artillery and 1 more line infantry, would that make it easier? Then it would be simmilar battle with you having artillery.... but not artillery superiority.
Did you make the right tactical decision? Perhaps. But I like big hills and I cannot lie. You other generals can't deny. That when a map walks in with an itty bitty draw and a big ridge line in your face, you get sprung.
Top video Legend. ❤ Anyone have tips for increasimh the difficulty from medium to hard? Just find that every clan always abandons the cause and attacks me 😂
Hey legend, ive been following you since wh2 just came out and now picked up shogun 2 and ill have to say im struggling. Used to play wh2 on legendary but im snuggling on hard in shogun 2 fots. Any chance you can make a video about key differences to ones playstyle/ in the game that ruin your run if you dont know them. Maybe im just expanding too fast but turn 40 i can bareley afford 1.5 stacks and have been using the high -low tax rate strat. Given that theres an influx in players i thought this kight be happening to more ppl that only got really into it in wh with its single enteties magic and other cheese. If anyone else has some tips im happy to hear them. Thanks in advance.
you don't need full stack in fots, just some line infantry with kneel fire and few parrotgun/armstrong and camp on a hill, kneel fire is the most important research of all, i found that you don't even need the other elite units, just line infantry will do
@@meepo1862 dont even have that yet tbh but good to know. Just got parrot guns. Is progression slower than in wh2/wh3 do you build up your provinces more before moving out? To be fair this is my first shogun campaign so every tipp you have helps (economy etc) unfortunately i dont really have the time to just play a bunch of campaigns and see for myself...
@@philipp117. you can turtle and build up economy in fots legendarybecause defense in this game is too strong because everybody has guns although it's better to blitzkrieg . In vanilla shogun 2 it's almost impossible to turtle on legendary with some clans unless you're really smart so you really need to blitzkrieg in vanilla shogun 2 legendary. Check out otomo playthrough by Volound if you want to know what i mean by blitzkrieg but it's not easy because you need to defeat an army like twice your size using superior tactics
@@meepo1862 thanks I'll do that, I'm quite good at micro tbh but still have to get adjusted to only the first line firing. What do you think a good starting army is? Is there any way to lvl ur generals like sacking a town in wh2. Or do you have a good starting campaign to get to learn the game, maybe tosa isn't the best although it says "easy campaign"
Can someone tell me why Legend always cliks like a maniac making small circular motions when he gives movement orders to the cav? He does it all the time, what is the purpose of this? Thx
Is warhammer 3 the only total war where the AI can even kind of remember where your hidden units got parked? I know it’s not perfect even there but it’s better than this level of dumb lol.
you know i'm really liking all these fall of the samurai videos, but i keep hoping some last samurai fan is just gonna come up to you with a late game full traditional army disaster battle and i'll wait for that day cause it will be glorious.
Glooorious!!! UP!!
honesly if you spam shogitai then you can just banzai and charge in and you will win most of the time, since the AI doest use gun unit against melee unit well and they tend to blob up = free kill for shogitai. Unless AI have too much imperial guard infantry otherwise you have no problem at all. but traditional unit sucks in autoresolve so its kinda annoy having to fight most of the battle
Saving Katsumoto disaster battle.
Traditional armies actually do pretty well against AI (perhaps in multiplayer too, I didn't play much FotS MP so I wouldn't know). You of course have to know to use them like attacking from the flanks rather than front, using reverse slopes for cover such that the enemy only gets one volley off before melee ensues, or taking advantage of indirect fire capabilities of bow kachi. And of course assassinating enemy general with yari ki. But traditional units beat line infantries really hard in melee even if they start one volley of men short, so 1:5 casualty ratios or better are achievable. The biggest problems are not being able to autoresolve, and some unavoidable casualties if the enemy has artillery supriority, which they have by default since traditional armies won't use artillery.
Full traditional is the way to be. Front line of ashigaru to soak up those beta bullets followed by screaming pajama katana bois. Buzzsaws through tofu.
- Where did our cavalry go? - Not sure sir, but let's all agree to ignore this huge smoke cloud coming out of the forest
Must be the wind
It’s like the HBO Battle of Winterfell!
4:58 7:13 What's he doing? What's Ney doing?
Can I leave the field for a minute? What's he doing there?
HOW CAN A MAN GO FORWARD WITH CAVALRY WITHOUT INFANTRY SUPPORT!?
Even funnier is that it's not just any cavalry, but most of the General's staff too
@@MUTANG_Official arty support and infantry can be used as a fixing force
AI commander not seeing anything suspicious in a wooded area smoking like a chimney 😅
Not to mention the moat of dead horses just outside of it
Must’ve been the wind.
just a forest fire, nothing to see here!
Hey! This is mine, and I mistakenly sent in my son and heir vs what I knew to be superior forces, because I had grown used to how strong kneel fire and Kihetai are. Thanks, Legend, you’re the Legend!
ah thought for sure you got caught in the middle of recruiting a new army
I just recently had a situation extremely similar to yours for pretty much the reasons. 6 kihetai and 1 or 2 artillery pieces is more than enough for the vast majority of land battles so the one actual comp with some cavalry really throws it off.
@@commandercorsyeah, I am okay with extremely tough fights, because I normally grind it out, but this one proved intractable, with how strong their rush was. I could rout entire waves, but there would always be more, and flank pressure. I need artillery in this army, to be able to push any further.
Imagine being in the main army and seeing your cavalry detachment chase a lone generals bodyguard, enter some distant woods, and then all of a sudden you hear the echoing sound of hundreds of rifles and muskets between the trees, whilst the white gunpowder smoke rises to the treetops..... and a few moments later that generals bodyguard appears at the edge of the forest again, completely unharmed.....
That general has the fastest aim in the east!
"Hey, Yoto. I think there's something in the woods over there"
@@rear9259when the trees start speaking Japanese
"1 Finnish soldier is better than 2 Soviet soldiers !" Japanese edition.
Legends: It's over AI, I have the high ground.
AI: You underestimate my Power.
Legends: don't try it
AI: *Charges blindly into the forest and gets shredded*
Your explanation of the tactical advantages of different hills are starting to impact my preferences in women
In case of flat terrain, you can still consider hiding your most valuable assets in the bushes ;-)
@@janiser4711I like them being ambushed by 2 giant hills honestly, but the bushes do give the element of surprise 🤔
@@greensoldier2142 proper scouting when entering bushy terrain is advised, you dont want to find enemy spear hiding in there. It could be too late to pull out your mobile element once you have committed to a rear charge.
Large... tracks of land
@@janiser4711 aw dude I've thinking what your comment meant for 2 days now and it finally hit me
Flattest, clearest map? No artillery? I'm pretty sure that's illegal.
Flattest clearest map quite literally has no hills in shogun 2, it's completely flat and I don't think it even has forest
@@squidwardartis it the one with a train tracks?
what we've learned now is that Legend enjoys a deep bush as much as big curvy hills
dont we all XD@@Pilvenuga
It should be.
Opposing cavalry chasing after general's bodyguard: "You should've never come here!"
Opposing army after cavalry is obliterated: "Must've been the wind"
Forest or the hill
Our lives hang in the balance
In legend we trust
No artillery? No problem. Once again, Legend's strategic genius shines forth yet again. Even if he cheated on his love hills with forests in this battle.
Was he cheating on hills? More like a ménage à trois.
can we just conclude...its not always the biggest hill thats most attractive! It could be also the bushy side hill...you didn't look at first glance!!! Thanks Legend for the life advice ahahah
Honestly, it may have been relatively simple, but that's a hell of a win with so few troops. Once you have Kneel-Fire and good line and rifle infantry, I find you can do great deeds with few numbers. Baiting all the cav into a slaughter worked flawlessly, and the infantry took massive damage trying to get into the general's range before they even tried to fight
I rediscovered this channel around a month ago, i remember watching you and heir of carthage in 2015/2016
this is like the last samurai the movie first battle. only the conscripts won
Those FOTS vids are amazing, love them! FOTS is just such a scenic and great game!
I came out for a smoke break from losing a hill-less FotS battle, and I saw this
I should clarify. They have a hill. I have the tiny ditch at the bottom. They have mixed units, I have 4 levy infantry.
I got both ranks to fire as the enemy came down the hill but I failed to break their melee inf as their matchlock kachi took the first volley, then only one good volley hit the naginata sam charge that ran through their line into mine.
oh buddy you aint gonna win that fight
4:58 7:13 What's he doing? What's Ney doing?
Can I leave the field for a minute? What's he doing there?
HOW CAN A MAN GO FORWARD WITH CAVALRY WITHOUT INFANTRY SUPPORT!?
God damn Legend im going back to playing FotS. Your videos brought back fond memories. Going to build republic and then shogunate full traditional army. All thx to your videos
Of all these years i have been following your channel, never have i ever seen you use cleaner or more elaborate tactics than in these Fots battles.
had a fight similar to this, 1 arty and outnumbered 2 to1. no high hills, i looked around the map and found an interesting spot to hold up. there was a series of dun like dips in 1 corner of the map. i was able to hide 90% of my army in the low points behind the hills (the hills were basically with the level ground) when they arrived thier troops couldnt see me or shoot me. save for a small spot. which with the way i was setup i was able to rout. this bought time for my arty to do its magic. i charged up from the low point to the high ground at the same time i flanked. mass enemy rout ensued. i lost maybe 25% of my force and annihilated them.
Love him going back to historical titles, feels like it gets a bigger and more friendly audience. I tried my best to like Warhammer but the fantasy stuff gets lost on me
You was right to take the forest, only a fool would meet the dothraki in an open field.
Brilliant battle. I usually zigzag my forces more but exactly how I play these out too. Not difficult if you know what to do. Forest hills are always my preferred when lacking artillery.
This is like charge of the light brigade so brutal
Excellent use of the forest General.
And yes, desire to replay Shogun 2, intensified
5:30 they'll forget we ever existed,
casual new ground level cloud in the forest. them:"Hm, must've been the wind"
dude im watching all your fall of samurai content
Definitely made the right call. Keep em coming legend!
Gotta say man, Iately I've been enjoying shogun and medieval 2 disaster battles way more than the last DB from WH3 when you were kind of burned out because of how enthusiastic you are about them. You having fun and enjoying yourself does really have an impact on the content and makes it much better. Keep it up mate, and best wishes!
kiheitai is why i mori was always my favorite rupublican legendary faction back in the day when i used to play a lot.
This guy makes me believe i can cheese the AI against all odds. Then I jump into the game and get rolled
Please a livestream of fall of the samurai from the beginning!!!
AHHHH, the lovely smell of gunpowder in the morning~~
That cavalry got massacred. That was chef's kiss.
Loving the return to Shogun vids, honestly! I never did finish a Fall of the Samurai campaign, so maybe that's on the To Do list now haha.
I picked up tons of "Good Dos and Dont's" from your Sengoku era vids, any chance of their being some for Fall, i.e. what buildings are good and what are basically 'avoid forever', etc? :)
"must have been the wind" who killed the cavalry, and they forget.
"Relationship with hills over, now trees are my new best friend"
this must be a horror movie
The Haunted Hills of North Shunano Silk Farm
Two things are certain in life. Taxes and legendoftotalwar cheesing.
the last samurai if the gunners can actually shoot
finally caved in and decided to play Shogun 2; then realized I nabbed it when it was free for a limited time!
Shame that the DLC for Fall/Rise of the Samurai is sold as a separate game on Steam...
Fall of the Samurai is really really good. Could not get into vanilla Shogun 2, but FoTS is about the best of TW that I have experienced. Can't believe I didn't play it earlier.
I heard fots was cheap back in the day :
Yes, they kicked the price up a while ago.@@feintfaint7213
Brooo that cavalry charge at the start remind me to the cavalry charge from the dothraki in GOT hahahahha
I've been playing Attila a lot recently and seeing how you lost only 6 men by friendly fire in that situation seems like a dream, considering that i just fought a battle where i lost 1100 men and about 700 were friendly fire...
i dont know why legend is cheering me on in japanese whilst working, but it helps my motivation a lot :D
Yeeeessss more FotS!!! I'm at the start. Hoping for hills
"jum to war here" - CZcams subtitles.
God bless Kneel Fire. It’s so good.
You can see now why smokeless powder was a kind of a big deal.
Shogun gunline reminds me of rattling gun army
I've just watched your a diaster battle featured Otomo matchlocks, and it used basically a same tactic. What a strange coincidence.
As for forest vs hill: Does the enemy need to be baited? Forest. Does the enemy need to be overpowered? Hill~
Great Video as always🤩 but i miss the livestreams😢😢😢
Hill Total War surely is entertaining
legend, can you please do a livestream of FOTS? I feel like I'm relearning the game correctly this time but there are so much stuff i still don't get mainly campaign and sieges.
The forest suddenly full of fog.
Is there something different with your audio? It sounds like your old videos but maybe I’m tripping
What do you mean artillery is key in similar situations? If you added one artillery to Choshu and one cavalry to the other side, that would help you, but then it would really be the same battle but with you having artillery superiority not just "same battle with artillery." If you gave Choshu 3 artillery and Yakahama 3 artillery and 1 more line infantry, would that make it easier? Then it would be simmilar battle with you having artillery.... but not artillery superiority.
Legends got so used to fighting AI... I'd pay a little money to see him face off against a competant human :D
How's the Ai? "It forgets you exist".. 😂
Did you make the right tactical decision? Perhaps. But I like big hills and I cannot lie. You other generals can't deny. That when a map walks in with an itty bitty draw and a big ridge line in your face, you get sprung.
Top video Legend. ❤
Anyone have tips for increasimh the difficulty from medium to hard? Just find that every clan always abandons the cause and attacks me 😂
Can someone explain to me why the guns in fots is so much deadlier than napoleon total war? A unit just melted under 3 volleys.
Ttk is considerably longer in Napoleon, honestly I prefer darthmods take on it, you get some really compelling engagements with it.
What the previous comment said + 50 years of firearm development
'We may have Slightly better cavalry' - Proceeds to have just the general unit (no hate~)
Meraviglioso
this looks like warhammer cheese strategy for me lol
Hey man could you make a video on how to use artillery in defensive sieges they are mostly useless for me (clueless)
Does black powder really make that much smoke?
Hey legend, ive been following you since wh2 just came out and now picked up shogun 2 and ill have to say im struggling. Used to play wh2 on legendary but im snuggling on hard in shogun 2 fots. Any chance you can make a video about key differences to ones playstyle/ in the game that ruin your run if you dont know them. Maybe im just expanding too fast but turn 40 i can bareley afford 1.5 stacks and have been using the high -low tax rate strat.
Given that theres an influx in players i thought this kight be happening to more ppl that only got really into it in wh with its single enteties magic and other cheese.
If anyone else has some tips im happy to hear them.
Thanks in advance.
you don't need full stack in fots, just some line infantry with kneel fire and few parrotgun/armstrong and camp on a hill, kneel fire is the most important research of all, i found that you don't even need the other elite units, just line infantry will do
@@meepo1862 dont even have that yet tbh but good to know. Just got parrot guns.
Is progression slower than in wh2/wh3 do you build up your provinces more before moving out?
To be fair this is my first shogun campaign so every tipp you have helps (economy etc) unfortunately i dont really have the time to just play a bunch of campaigns and see for myself...
@@philipp117. you can turtle and build up economy in fots legendarybecause defense in this game is too strong because everybody has guns although it's better to blitzkrieg . In vanilla shogun 2 it's almost impossible to turtle on legendary with some clans unless you're really smart so you really need to blitzkrieg in vanilla shogun 2 legendary. Check out otomo playthrough by Volound if you want to know what i mean by blitzkrieg but it's not easy because you need to defeat an army like twice your size using superior tactics
@@meepo1862 thanks I'll do that, I'm quite good at micro tbh but still have to get adjusted to only the first line firing.
What do you think a good starting army is?
Is there any way to lvl ur generals like sacking a town in wh2.
Or do you have a good starting campaign to get to learn the game, maybe tosa isn't the best although it says "easy campaign"
@@meepo1862 oh and any tips how to handle public order problems due to modernisation?
My favorite unit in my least favorite clan, the Kiheitai 😅
they were badasses in real life. Basically western trained peasant volunteers who took on many samurais with just guns.
Can someone tell me why Legend always cliks like a maniac making small circular motions when he gives movement orders to the cav? He does it all the time, what is the purpose of this? Thx
Is it a custom mod to get 200 man units?
me as hill-philist am severely disappointed in this video. The lack of hills is appalling!
i was sure the general was going to die in the first volleys. sloppy af.
why put line infantry in 3 ranks instead of 2 ?
I didn't have enough space to go that wide
ok, thx for fast reply@@LegendofTotalWar
in that kind of battles my units always get cancer
Ironic, japanese becaming vietnamises by using the tress
Are u still playin shogun?
How do you get so much smoke to appear? Whenever I play FOTS I can never get that much smoke to appear.
Game settings, check your graphics settings in the options. You need a decent rig to get all the smoke.
damnn
I've used forest with revolver cav, they deleted units
The point is how much he made the AI commander get ****😅
These videos made me reinstall the game!
Nani?
Please play Ultimate General: American Revolution!
3rd!
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Is warhammer 3 the only total war where the AI can even kind of remember where your hidden units got parked? I know it’s not perfect even there but it’s better than this level of dumb lol.
this game is 13 years old