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    I’m sure you’ve wondered this at some point or other:
    Is it really OK for your health to have all that mineral or glass wool around you in your studio?
    Surely that stuff can’t be good for you, right?
    I mean, those tiny little fibers must go everywhere.
    What actually happens in your body when you inhale them…?
    And there are plenty of people online saying how bad insulation material is for you.
    But is it actually… true? What does science say?
    Let’s dig in.
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  • @hannesfrischat7138
    @hannesfrischat7138 Před rokem +58

    Let me add an aspect. I have studied solid state physics and nano physics, and my father has been an internationally acclaimed Professor and expert in everything related to glass (including glass fibers).
    The potential danger of rockwool and glass fibers is primarily related to their size and form factor, long thin fibres of a certain size being potentially critical, regardless the material. Nano particles from glass or stone develop a certain behaviour in relation to body cells that is based on physical properties (size, attractive forces), and therefore can potentially cause exactly the same damage as asbestos fibres. The difference to asbestos is however that some 25 or 30 years ago they changed the chemical composition of the glass and rock fibres (to be exact, the acid-basis balance) in such a way that the body can dissolve them typically within one month. My father was instrumental in asserting this change in composition. This then led to the classification of being harmless because it is assumed that the body will not develop a cancer around these fibres within that month. But of course this also depends on dosage, and still they are entering the body before being dissolved.
    So, two things to take away from this:
    1. Be extra careful if removing old glass wool or mineral wool insulation from a roof or a wall that probably is more than 30 years old.
    2. While there is no reason to be hysteric, it also does not hurt to minimize the dosage of exposition. So, cutting the mats outside, using gloves and a mask, wrapping into foil - these are all measures for minimizing the dosage and therefore principally good ideas.

    • @markdelange980
      @markdelange980 Před rokem +2

      I designed music related rooms and halls for 25 years and react now heavily to contact with glasfiber. Might be an allergic reaction or a too high exposure. What if all the research is done by the company that sells the stuff?

    • @vedranc6546
      @vedranc6546 Před rokem

      how will our lungs drop organic material out when is it consider like "Not intruder"?

    • @lordgraga
      @lordgraga Před 10 měsíci +1

      I clicked this video not because of its content, but because the comments are usually the source of actual information... in this case I got more than I bargained for - thank you!

    • @marcus268
      @marcus268 Před 5 měsíci

      What foil should we use? Is the isover membrane foil usable to protect for exposage ?

    • @hannesfrischat7138
      @hannesfrischat7138 Před 5 měsíci

      @@marcus268Yes, certainly membrane foil is the luxury solution, except that it might be somewhat stiff. I have used pe foil from the hardware store. If I remember it right it could be 0.06 to 0.1 mm thick. I also bought a membrane foil (for much money) but that ended unused in my storage, mainly because I considered it to be too stiff. Hope that helps.

  • @Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn
    @Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn Před rokem +11

    I was worried about it, so I covered my traps with a couple of layers of quilts/doonas. I couldn't afford the rock wool to fill them, but the empty boxes covered in quilts made a huge difference in my room anyway! In the end, I filled all 6 with feather quilts and pillows, after washing, they had become quite dense.
    They're working very well! They didn't cost much either, pallets from the side of the road, and quilts and pillows from the dog bed bin at the Op-shop! 🙂

  • @Marcin79W
    @Marcin79W Před rokem +1

    Thank you very much for this one. It answers all the questions I had. You're a star, sharing all this knowledge. I appreciate it a lot.

  • @hoth2112
    @hoth2112 Před rokem +8

    Most airborne fibers will settle out over time, especially if you close any vents so you can easily wear a face mask when moving to panels around then vacuuming the room after a couple of hours of letting any fibers settle. And if you're still worried, you can easily use a box fan with a pair of filters formed into a triangle/wedge shape to forcibly pull the fibers from the air by drawing air through the filters. (See contraptions that many had used during the big fires in the Pacific Northwest)

  • @ARISTO_Music
    @ARISTO_Music Před rokem +2

    just finished building Rockwool filled Acoustic panels, thanks for the information.
    Even tho i didnt wrap them in plastic.. only fabric

  • @randomnaamofzo1246
    @randomnaamofzo1246 Před rokem

    I've been LOOKING for this OMG!

  • @sousapro
    @sousapro Před rokem +15

    I used acoustic insulation made from recycled jeans for my acoustic panels. I don't know if it is widely available, but here in the Netherlands it is made by Métisse. It has pretty good specs, can be cut without any use of masks and does not release harmful fibers.

    • @SineBeta
      @SineBeta Před rokem +2

      I know this material, not sure if this is just a commercial name but I've always know it as "Geopannel" here in Spain. It's actually made from a mixture of cotton and synthetic fibres, a.k.a. old clothes. Its was designed as an insulator to put between thin mortar walls, and for automotive industries and I've seen it pulled from commercial studio facilities some times. I was considering it as an alternative to fibre glass, as it has a better consistency over time, similar density and and also to avoid my dog inhaling fibres. They have a more sensible and delicate nose than humans do. In the end I think I'm going to go for a mix of materials, as I found some rockwool pannels very cheap, recently.

    • @wingnutbert9685
      @wingnutbert9685 Před rokem +1

      This is a good product for reusing what may otherwise go to waste. BUT...... just because it's made from a natural or other common material doesn't mean it can't be harmless.

    • @sousapro
      @sousapro Před rokem +1

      I did not say the material is harmless, I only stated that it does not release fibers like other materials like Rock or Glasswoll does. This stuff contains 85-100% recycled textile fibers (min 70% cotton), up to 15% polyester fibers and anti mold and bacteria additives. Actually it is made in France and they made a CZcams video: czcams.com/video/nboNKuoTW4k/video.html

    • @wingnutbert9685
      @wingnutbert9685 Před rokem

      @@sousapro Yes, but it does release fibers. They may not be as harmful as glass or rock wool, but they are still airbourne fibers/particulate and inhaling them should be avoided. And do you really want to inhale anti mold and bactericidal chemicals? Where it's made is irrelevant. It's not a difficult thing to understand. You do you. But don't suggest it's harmless to other people when that's not true.

    • @desotaku5202
      @desotaku5202 Před rokem

      @@wingnutbert9685 Yeah they release fibers, textile fibers. The ones we all wear and sleep in.
      it would be ridiculous to assume that fibers made from recycled denim would be the same as fiberglass.
      You have a point on the chemicals, not sure how dangerous those are.

  • @xyzct
    @xyzct Před rokem +4

    I use plutonium-dipped asbestos.

  • @Stevo19801
    @Stevo19801 Před rokem

    This is a great subject, the one video that completely reassured me was one over on the home theatre guru channel where he is treating his new room and made the point of showing that all American h-vac system use fibreglass boxes for duct work, the air is passing over it all day long. His point was if you have a problem sticking it on the walls for acoustic treatment then you should not have ac n your house. Also lots of restaurants have fibreglass acoustic panels above you while your eating, have a look around next time you are in a pizza express here in the uk and alike

    • @hsu84
      @hsu84 Před rokem +2

      The fact that glass fiber is being used in these purposes does not prove that they are totally safe. Glass fiber emissions from AC ducts, mufflers and acoustic panels do occur - it's just a matter of how much emissions are going to cause issues. The fiber emissions from these sources can pose a potential health risk especially as those AC installations and acoustic treatments get older and the materials start to wear down and deteriorate. It is absolutely possible to get respiratory and other health issues due to glass fiber emissions from these sources.
      Using glass fiber for acoustic panels and bass traps will still probably be ok as long as the fiberglass is insulated properly. As Jesco mentions in the video, caution should be taken when handling the material while building these devices and the glass fiber should be sealed with plastic or similar to prevent fibers from shedding and spreading into the air.

  • @marcfrank7446
    @marcfrank7446 Před rokem +5

    Well, it's actually not *that* easy. Many years ago I met one of the head maintenance engineers for the machines at R**kwool plants. What he told me is: the "new" R**kwool which is produced in the Czech Republic since 1998, with modern machines, definitely is safe as the diameter of the fibers is bigger than the pulmonary capillaries. The "classic" product you get in the US or in other parts of the world he wasn't "so sure about" (now that he's no longer among us, I can safely say that R**kwool knew that its product should be used with some caution).

  • @Vocalisto
    @Vocalisto Před 11 měsíci +2

    I really wonder why so far only very few people have come up with the idea of simply placing mineral wool in cardboard boxes instead of expensive and elaborate wooden constructions. You can have the boxes custom-made, for example, exactly to the dimensions of a package of fiberglass insulation, such as 125 x 62.5 x 30cm, and then just stack them room-high with about 10cm of space from the wall on all 4 walls where possible, and that's it! To reflect mid and high frequencies, you can simply attach laminate strips to the cardboard. You don't need any fabric and there's no need for drilling, screwing, or using anchors, and you can easily take the packages with you when you move next time. This is probably the simplest and most cost-effective way to build such a bass trap.

    • @user-th6rh8zp3t
      @user-th6rh8zp3t Před 3 měsíci

      because the cardboard is too reflective, the sound waves need to actually make it into the mineral wool to be absorbed. put a piece of the cardboard up to your mouth and try breathing through it, if you can't, it won't do much

    • @cl9826
      @cl9826 Před 2 měsíci

      I bought a bail of insulation and put a bed sheet over it

  • @dvntlife
    @dvntlife Před rokem +3

    Great timely vid Jesco, thanks. If you see this, do you think I'm ok having used rockwool safe n sound slabs covered in a fairly thin, pretty porous (almost see through if stretched) fabric? Or would you still recommend covering in plastic on top of that?

  • @politicum8113
    @politicum8113 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Hi all! I’ll tell you about my experience in building several DIY studios:
    - Dust! Fabric and mineral wool generate dust.
    - Smell! Mineral wool molecules constantly scatter, as a result, the smaller the room and the worse the ventilation, the stronger the smell and worsening breathing/allergies.
    - Absorption! In the low-end, mineral wool doesn't work as well as you'd expect, so it's important to find the right position for the monitors in the room. First the monitors and the room, only then the absorption. You should also immediately look towards membrane traps.
    As a result, I came to wrap the mineral wool in plastic bags and wrap the final trap in paper and seal it tightly. Why is the final layer paper? This way, much less dust is generated.
    Now for me the main indicator that the trap is successful is the complete absence of smell from it.
    The problem of ventilation is no less important, especially if this is a living room and you did soundproofing.
    As long as you haven't treated the walls, your apartment has natural ventilation. But as soon as you have made a room within a room and installed airtight doors, this ventilation is completely disrupted; even an open window will not help, because there is no air movement.
    Therefore, it is very important to plan how the inflow and outflow of air will be carried out in this room.

  • @daly8678
    @daly8678 Před rokem

    full respect

  • @joeyramonelookalike
    @joeyramonelookalike Před rokem

    I have a lot of allergies and that has kept me off rockwool panels. Is acoustic foam a good alternative? If so, which brand, thickness, density, etc. would you recommend? Great content. Thanks!

  • @JazzzPianist
    @JazzzPianist Před rokem +2

    Thanks for the video! Subscribed 😊
    A question: did you by any chance do some research on the performance of recycled denim vs rocksono solid when deciding on the insulation material for your bass traps? I saw you tested a room using a single absorber design based on 16cm (6″) deep material with a weight of 40kg/m3 (2.5lb/cft) and specifically adviced rocksono solid 45kg/m3 as a European option with some great results.
    I would like to suggest the possibility of filling my (yet to be build) bass traps with 3 or 4 layers of 45mm recycled denim instead. Some providers state that a 45mm recycled denim would outperform 40-55mm rocksono solid based on measurements on absorption coefficients by offficial instances.
    When looking it up I see that at the same density of 45kg/m3 40-55mm rocksono solid shows a start of dip at around 1000Hz whilst 45mm recycled denim starts to dip at 500Hz.
    My aim is to absorb as much of the low end without losing broadband consistency by placing twelve bass traps in my untreated room. Do you think that the suggested insulation material is a good one or would you still recommend Rocksono Solid?

  • @MadelnMachines
    @MadelnMachines Před 8 měsíci +1

    What about for people with asthma or dust allergies? I'm not talking about making the panels but just being in the same room with them covered. Does the sound not disturb the panel?

  • @studiopolka
    @studiopolka Před 10 měsíci +1

    I love all the good info you put out here.
    I was wondering, do you have guide on how you would go about building Rockwool panels?
    Materials, thickness, what kind of Rockwool and so on?
    -I'm in Denmark so I think the materials are somewhat the same.
    Thanks again.
    :)

    • @Mikkelfrost
      @Mikkelfrost Před 9 měsíci

      ja det kunne være cool :)

    • @studiopolka
      @studiopolka Před 9 měsíci

      Han har et betalt kurse på hans hjemmeside der tager dig hele vejen igennem.
      @@Mikkelfrost

  • @alexandrevaliquette1941

    For the same budget, to create a dead sound studio (for voice over only) should we:
    Cover 40% of the wall with 3 inch soft fiberglass insulation on primary and secondary reflection
    Cover 20% of the wall with 3 inch hard Roxul on primary reflection only
    Cover 20% of the wall with 6 inch soft fiberglass insulation on primary reflection only
    Cover 5% of the wall with 6 inch soft fiberglass insulation on primary reflection and 30% with 3 inch soft fiberglass insulation on secondary reflection
    Or any other combination?
    By covering wall I mean create DIY panels to hang on the wall with a 3-6 inch air gap behind.
    It a small studio 10'x17' of 9' high with hard wood floor.
    Thank you very much for sharing your expertise on this topic.
    Thumbs up from Montréal

  • @danbriggs3106
    @danbriggs3106 Před rokem

    wow what timing. Ive been emailing gik acoustics and my doctor the last few months about me possibly reacting to the fibers even when their encased by fabric. the 244 gik bass traps.
    i have chronic rhinitis thats persistent even when taking allergy medications for it and no one knows whats triggering it but i told my doctor i notice my nose getting extremely dry and agitated a few hours right when i put them in room so not sure if these are aggravating my already issue of rhinitis but something is not right...what else simple things can you guys recommend putting over it to possibly stop me from reacting to them. i cant tell you how many times i put them back in my room not ready to give up on my acoustic dream...i tried sheets now praying it would help lol

  • @wingnutbert9685
    @wingnutbert9685 Před rokem +2

    Inhaling anything into your lungs other than air can have an effect, especially an accumulative one. Plus, there's a chance that natural material has to be chemically treated, if used for building insulation, to meet fire safety standards. Like many "bad" materials, it's fine if it's just sitting behind a sealed space like a wall, or once inside an acoustic panel. But disturbing it with moving it and cutting it is a different thing. Those tests are determining the safety of a material in a static, undisturbed state. Not when in close contact handling situations. And being used in the building industry for years is just an absurd measurement. Asbestos, used for years. Then everyone lost their minds over it. Justified? Depends. Sitting in a wall or encapsulated in a medium like paint or stucco or plaster, totally fine. But later on, when removal is needed, it's a problem. Or if a plaster wall needs to be sanded for refinishing or taken down, it's a problem.
    I hate to be a safety Karen, but I also feel it's a responsibility to make corrections to incorrect assumptions for those who may follow misinformation. 👍 So just wear a mask. It's cheap and easy.

  • @Singletonsaysvo
    @Singletonsaysvo Před rokem

    So what would you recommend using for bass traps in a 48” x 48” Whisper Room? After reading the bass trap review you did on Auralex, they are not helpful.

  • @theBullringLive
    @theBullringLive Před 10 měsíci

    The biggest problem with studies is finding out who funded the study. At least one of those studies was done by and at Johns-Manville whish is a company that makes this insulation.
    When I first started looking at panels made with it, everyone was saying they put scrim on the back to make it look pretty or professional. I believe the reality is to help keep fibres from moving around. I do belive people doing diy vids should say that so some folks who want to cut costs, may think twice about leaving the scrim out. Hell, I've been smoking all kinds of crap for over 60 years and it hasn't killed me yet. I shot off my mouth w/o watching the whole vid. I had been wondering about using plastic instead of cloth. Good to hear.

  • @rjb7569
    @rjb7569 Před rokem

    In building a bass trap, what about the rubber-type of material that floor mats are made of? Or the rubber foam-type of garden kneeling pads that you can find at dollar stores?
    And how about using ceiling acoustic panels in the build? Also, what about carpet material as one of the layers?
    These are some of the items I'm considering using. Will not use insulation materials in my house.

  • @davidpetersen5731
    @davidpetersen5731 Před rokem +2

    I'd add safety glasses to the gloves, long sleeves, and a mask list to be used while building traps. Every factory environment I've been in (USA), requires safety glasses.

  • @tonyrapa-tonyrapa
    @tonyrapa-tonyrapa Před rokem

    Here's a question: how long do these materials last for before they start to decay/wither, if at all?

  • @Kobrar44
    @Kobrar44 Před rokem

    Have you used the 140kg type insulation foam instead of wool? Any idea how it performs?

  • @towerpower
    @towerpower Před rokem +3

    Question: When I built my bass traps 10yrs ago, the instructions were to find an "acoustically transparent" fabric.To test that, you would just see if air would blow trough the fabric. If you can put a plastic sheet on the isolation material, that seems to me like it would cancel that effect. Does that mean that the need for "blow trough" fabric is a myth? Great content, thank you soo much, I always enjoy watching your videos!

    • @droidzhunterz6861
      @droidzhunterz6861 Před rokem +1

      A plastic barrier will have an effect on high frequencies reflecting it back, but the low frequencies will pass through, vibrate the material and lose energy.
      I think he was talking about bass traps specifically if you were to wrap it then it's gonna work just fine.

    • @alimahdavi2276
      @alimahdavi2276 Před 9 měsíci +1

      A "blow-thru" fabric won't stop fibers from spreading. There are, however, acoustically transparent fabrics out there that won't let air through.

  • @ColocasiaCorm
    @ColocasiaCorm Před rokem

    Love you

  • @DRUGXXI
    @DRUGXXI Před rokem

    Hello , if i put that thin plastic in my Bass Traps it will be fine, but the same thing applies to my panels or does it have another effect?

  • @peterstampfl9094
    @peterstampfl9094 Před rokem

    Is it enough to wrap it in felt instead of plastic?

  • @thorpet6235
    @thorpet6235 Před rokem +3

    Guys there is the same material made from wood. Check Gutex Thermoflex and Steico Flex. But of course it's more expensive.

    • @leolieb9489
      @leolieb9489 Před rokem

      Can you recoomend an instruction on how to build a bass trap with Gutex Thermoflex or Steico Flex? :)

    • @thorpet6235
      @thorpet6235 Před rokem

      @@leolieb9489 For bass traps you want the material to be as thick as possible. You have to decide how much material is okay for you depending if it's a studio or home studio or your living room. Personally I used Thermoflex in their original packaging in all empty corners. I put them on Ikea Kallax shelfs for example. It's not pretty but it works. I also have early reflection absorbers on the side walls and the ceiling. With this I get reverb time of 200-300ms down to 50hz. With my special monitor system I even have a reverb time of ~300ms down to 25hz. But with regular speakers this might be hard/impossible to achieve but of course it depends on how much material you use.

  • @futg6007
    @futg6007 Před rokem

    Great content! What about the Basotect stuff?

    • @patrickguth3796
      @patrickguth3796 Před rokem

      Basotect is a foam made from melamine - it doesn't release anything at all, even if you hit it.

    • @futg6007
      @futg6007 Před rokem

      @@patrickguth3796 maybe formaldehyde evaporation becomes an issue after installing large quantities in a small room?

  • @saber0089
    @saber0089 Před rokem

    You can also look at research for the fibers dissolving in synthetic lungs. Organic fibers end up being more dangerous than inorganic fibers oddly enough.

  • @asianguy6174
    @asianguy6174 Před rokem

    Rockwool definitely does a number on my lungs and makes me cough, even after I wrapped it up in terry cloth.

  • @fingersmike
    @fingersmike Před rokem +1

    Hey Jesco! If you wrap the panel in a thin plastic it would stop being permeable to air. Would this not defeat the whole point of an absorber? The air should be able to penetrate the insulation material to be effective and the plastic would stop this from happening.

    • @EmuDoesStuff
      @EmuDoesStuff Před rokem +5

      It is my understanding, that thin plastic would only reflect the very high sound waves (so that covering them with a blanket would take care of that). Think of sound waves as pressure waves. They can penetrate different materials without it having to be air all the time. So all the not-so-high pressure waves would go right through the plastic, but then get absorbed by the absorber itself.
      Or to explain it with a thought experiment: make a box with walls about 1/2 inch thick glass, go inside and hermetically seal it. Let's also imagine you are a wizard 🧙‍♂ and you know a spell to levitate the box near a busy road (or have a wizard friend do it for you, since according to some RPG rulebooks the suggested method is not possible with you inside the box 😜). You could still hear the road. Not as clearly as without the glass, since a portion of the sound waves will be reflected, but some of those pressure waves will be absorbed by the glass itself (changing into thermal energy) and some will go right through the glass to your ears 👂👂
      Hope this helps 😄

    • @scottnelle
      @scottnelle Před rokem +3

      Sound waves move through air but it's the energy of the sound wave itself, not the air, that's being absorbed. Plastic will slightly change the way that wave energy is absorbed as it transfers from the medium of air to the plastic and then the absorbing material , but it sounds like Jesco doesn't feel that it will block/reflect a significant amount of energy and I'm inclined to believe him.

    • @neaumusic
      @neaumusic Před rokem

      lol I’m thinking seran wrap or a garbage bag would have zero impact on sound, some people specifically put diffusers on top of their traps to reflect the mids and highs

  • @paulk9534
    @paulk9534 Před rokem +2

    Unfortunately they used asbestos for decades before realising it caused harm 😮… how about activated carbon pellets, I know one AP maker uses that and to me it seems like a really good option. 😊

  • @IODBaaL
    @IODBaaL Před rokem

    But how do you build a vent then? I've seen a some builds where people more or less just fill a pipe with rockwool and no sound gets in an out. but obviously the fibers will be a problem?!

    • @fededempaire
      @fededempaire Před rokem

      You cover it with a breathable cloth

    • @FiByfi
      @FiByfi Před rokem

      The duct work to the vent is interrupted by a box with alternating baffles, similar to a car muffler.

  • @jackedkerouac4414
    @jackedkerouac4414 Před rokem

    Now I'm going to collect those dry cleaner plastic wraps ♻

  • @iRevolVeR21
    @iRevolVeR21 Před rokem +1

    Mmm I believe the consensus was no plastic because it creates reflection? Currently building panels with no plastic. Rockwool...

    • @angusscott-voiceactorprese2608
      @angusscott-voiceactorprese2608 Před rokem +3

      I believe the plastic is so thin that any reflections are only at high frequencies (which are obviously easy to remove by other means). Lower frequencies don't even notice it. Logically if it was that reflective, we'd all be using it for sound isolation as well.

    • @High_Gain_Pity_Party
      @High_Gain_Pity_Party Před rokem +1

      From what I've read, If you're building basstraps then it shouldn't matter. That thin plastic will pretty much only reflect the high frequencies but the low freq will still get through and be absorbed. If you're only building them for the high freq absorbtion then probably avoid but doubt it will make a huge difference. There's a give n take i assume, safety or more performance (which is probably 10% or less).

  • @GameGuideClassic
    @GameGuideClassic Před rokem +2

    This is not correct, at all. I've done a number of upgrades to my home over the years including reinsulating any rooms I remove the drywall in and the crawlspace in the attic.
    Standard fiberglass insulation is very bad for you if inhaled. It's especially difficult if you have asthma or any other lung issue. You may also be allergic to it if it touches your skin and the reaction could be fatal if you suffer from really bad allergies. Have an epi-pen near you if you are messing with it.
    Non fiberglass insulation is about the same expect it doesn't irritate the skin. Anything getting in your lungs that a foreign material is not really healthy.
    Now, are the fibers from the insulation going to leak out all over the place once you build the traps? Probably not. If the back is open and the insulation is showing then it is possible it could. If it's completely encased then it shouldn't be a problem. I've never had any issues.
    If you are building traps/panels then the best advise is to wear protection and that includes, eye, mask and cloths you can take off and wash immediately. I'd also recommend assembling the traps outside where the fibers won't be enclosed in a room and/or easily moved from one area of the home to another. When cutting, use either a sharp knife or a sharp pair of scissors will prevent the fibers from ripping.
    The stuff isn't a death sentence for sure. Even asbestos in small amount is harmless if proper safety measure are adhered to.
    TDLR; I'm not a doctor, but the stuff can cause skin irritation or an allergic reaction. Fibers getting in your mouth, nose, throat or lungs is not pleasent and ill advised if you have any sort of breathing problems.
    First time I messed with insulation and didn't take the proper precautions I was coughing for a week and hacking up the worst phlegm of my life.

  • @RecorderMan91
    @RecorderMan91 Před rokem +4

    What if you haven't used a plastic sheet to contain the material. Will a fabric be enough to contain the fibers?

    • @IODBaaL
      @IODBaaL Před rokem +1

      That's also my question. Also, what fabric is best used? Because I guess you don't want really dense fabric because air cant get trough it

    • @blisssenseripzyzz4evermiri176
      @blisssenseripzyzz4evermiri176 Před rokem +3

      no, it won't stop them, they are so tiny you can't see them, wrap the material in thin plastic and then in thin polyester wadding, got that tip from a pro from gearspace/geaslutz.

    • @deltahomicide9300
      @deltahomicide9300 Před rokem

      My guy uses a suede-like soft fabric and I'd hate to ruin the aesthetics of them by covering with plastic. I know 'safety first' but damm

    • @IODBaaL
      @IODBaaL Před rokem +1

      @@deltahomicide9300 the plastic can be inside and non visible

    • @deltahomicide9300
      @deltahomicide9300 Před rokem

      @@IODBaaL I see. Fml that’s quite an undertaking especially with my ceiling panels

  • @RalfT-DE
    @RalfT-DE Před rokem +1

    Glaswolle, Steinwolle, weitere Kunstfasern sowie sehr viele Arten von Staub können, nicht müssen, unter bestimmten Voraussetzungen durchaus krebserregend sein. Dies gilt in der Regel für den Fall der Lungengängigkeit als auch für die Geometrie der Fasern/Partikel. Alternativ zu künstlichen Dämm-Materialien können zu akustischen Zwecken ebenso Natur-Materialien wie z.B. Schafwolle verwendet werden. Diese gibt es auch in Matten- oder Rollenform mit definierten und genormten Materialeigenschaften bzw. -werten. Einfach mal googeln. Natürliche Materialien sind meist, nicht immer, unbedenklich in ihrer Verwendung und somit eher zu bevorzugen.
    English version :
    The shown artificial materials can cause, under certain circumstances, cancer. This is depending on size and/or geometry of the particles if they come loose and should be therefore avoided. Generally speaking it is always preferable to use natural materials as e.g. sheep wool. As an example sheep wool is as well available in normed and defined forms in the market which can be as well used for acoustic treatments in an excellent way.

    • @leolieb9489
      @leolieb9489 Před rokem +1

      Gibt es auch andere natürlichen Materialien als Schafwolle und wo kann man die in Deutschland kaufen?

    • @RalfT-DE
      @RalfT-DE Před rokem +1

      @@leolieb9489 Allerletzter Versuch, da meine bisher versuchten VIER Antworten alle verschwunden sind, obwohl ich wirklich nur ganz nett die Frage beantwortet habe?!?!?
      Wenn Sie auf Google die Suchbegriffe in folgenden drei Variationen eingeben, finden Sie auf jeden Fall alle Informationen welche Sie benötigen. "Akustik Dämmstoff Schafwolle/Holzfaser/Naturfaser". Die Materialien gibt es in Deutschland im Baustoffhandel/Baumarkt oder natürlich auch Online. Ich hoffe Ihnen mit meiner Antwort geholfen zu haben. Mit freundlichen Grüßen.

  • @jeepee1306
    @jeepee1306 Před rokem +2

    Hello, BIG THANKS for all your videos on your channel...!! 🙏🙏🙏 I give to all a BIG TIPS for working with stone & glass fibers. BEFORE WORKING You MUST put grease on your skin (for example: olive oil, coco oil, ..). And wear gloves, glasses, mask & complete tyvek suit for working with fibers. When you have finished your job, DON'T RUB YOUR SKIN...!!! BECAUSE YOU WILL BREAK THE FIBERS IN MORE LITTLE PIECES AND IT WILL EASILY ENTER THRU YOUR SKIN, EYES FOR A FEW DAYS. Take a shower with COLD WATER WITH HIGH PRESSURE JET on your skin. After rinsing your skin with the jet, wash with soap many times and rinse many many times. THE GREASE WILL TRAP THE FIBER AND THE SOAP WILL REMOVE THE GREASE (Full of fibers) EASILY WITHOUT ANY ISSUES ON YOUR SKIN...!!! VERY IMPORTANT TIPS...!!!

  • @candiceobayashi9485
    @candiceobayashi9485 Před 29 dny

    GLOOOOOOOOOOUEEEEE

  • @lakambramusic
    @lakambramusic Před 8 měsíci

    Buy a air purifier and leave it on for a few hours while you’re not working

  • @fredygump5578
    @fredygump5578 Před rokem +6

    Breathing air born fibers does have a negative affect on our lungs. They cause us to gradually lose lung capacity over our lives. We consider this to be normal, so we can't isolate normal exposure and it's cumulative effect from the one time I built a bass trap.
    The health risk of all air born fibers is the same, whether fiberglass, mineral wool, wood fibers, aesbestos, etc. (Aesbestos really is NOT any more scary than sawdust!) When inhaled, some of these fibers get trapped in our lungs, which triggers an immune response which decreases our lung capacity over time.
    The correct question to ask is, "Do absorbers in my room increase the amount of fibers in the air? The answer to this is no. Similarly, are you going to breath so many fibers while making an absorber to prematurely damage your lungs? It is very unlikely. However, you should wear a well sealing mask, because common sense says it is better to not breathe it.
    The lung damage associated with aesbestos happened to people with long term exposure to massive quantities of airborn fibers. Factory workers said it seemed to be snowing aesbestos, for example. But I have also met a man who was a pioneer in the cellulose insulation industry, who suffered the same lung damage. He admitted he knew he should wear a mask, but he didn't. And it was tragic; he was sharp as a tack, but he just couldn't breathe!
    So wear a mask when you're working with any fibrous material, and make sure it is contained in fabric. It'll be just fine.

  • @KASmonkeys
    @KASmonkeys Před 5 měsíci

    I'm not into lung cancer! :( Cloth wont protect you in the end

  • @jazzbeats8168
    @jazzbeats8168 Před rokem +1

    It has been used for decades as an insulation material 99% of the time behind dry wall. Glass wool is also different from stone wool. Thin plastic will not stop all fibers, but will minimize.

    • @EmuDoesStuff
      @EmuDoesStuff Před rokem +2

      Is thin plastic full of holes that are big enough for the glass wool particles go through? Are the particles so tiny, that they can go through the plastic on a molecular level? If so, my mind is 🤯🤯

  • @abijeetrs6522
    @abijeetrs6522 Před rokem

    Health hazard or no -- would not recommend anyone to fill their rooms where they sleep to have this on!

    • @TheArpage
      @TheArpage Před rokem

      How so? In a studio, there are sound waves that could cause fibers to be pushed out of the treatment panel. I highly doubt snoring generates enough sound waves to cause the same effect 😂

  • @randyfurlong6181
    @randyfurlong6181 Před rokem +5

    Sorry, but your advice doesn't make sense and is contradictory: You state there is no health risk, yet you suggest wearing a face mask and wrapping the insulation in plastic to keep yourself safe, implying that you do in fact believe there is a possible health risk

    • @guyjerry
      @guyjerry Před 6 měsíci +7

      Working with the materials vs them just sitting there are two very different situations

    • @memania-
      @memania- Před 5 měsíci +2

      That's what people struggle to understand