I knew I had to build Killian when I saw it. Turned it into Orzhov blink value town and kill your stuff deck. For example, Settle Beyond Reality is kind of insane here. And then I randomly pulled a foil Killian off of one pack my parents sent me. So that was fun.
Strixhaven came pretty close tbh, Dina is great and I think Rootha actually might be underrated as well; Zimone and the boros one were both kinda flops but 3/5 is pretty good. Strixhaven brought us some absolutely fantastic commanders, that was a great set for EDH
@@natekite7532 I think many people don't quite "get" Rootha and her potential. I saw a match on YT and the guy running her seemed to have no clue on how to use her!
@@grumpyinbrooklyn6347 I've been thinking about trying to build her recently. She definitely looks like she has potential but I'm not sure exactly how to take advantage of her. I just wish there were a couple more big red/blue spells that she could copy. Have you built her?
@@natekite7532 I started but then put her aside to finish other decks (compulsive brewer here😂)! Basically, I need to think about where to take her for a wincon, on a budget.
Awesome, i literally just finished my killian extort deck like 5 minutes ago, checked and this video just popped up. Ill keep it in mind as a second build
I'm building a deck for my son, ironically named Killian, glad I found this because I so wanted to include this card but didn't have any ideas that worked off the top of my head
This video taught me a lesson, that when 3.1 average CMC is considered extremely low maybe i'm going way too low for my low to mid casual decks. 3.1 is honestly on the high side for my decks nowadays (obviously i know that for the most part that number here is misleading since killian is kinda awesome) .
Typing this before watching. You guys sparked my interest months ago when you mentioned Killian as an underplayed Commander. After that I built something similar some weeks back. So gonna enjoy this video!
So glad there is a hatred in this deck. Should have mentioned how a turn 3 kill is possible with this. also surprised there wasn't a battle mastery in here for double strike
I think Kaya's Ghostform is a lot worse in a deck that isn't prepared to repeatedly recur it. If it's just a one-off effect, as it's likely to be in this deck, without being actively *extremely* good in the deck (since you'll still be losing all of your enchantments if Killian dies), it loses a lot of its value.
I have a Sram voltron auras deck that has gone a bit stale and isn't being played much. I could see it being pretty easy to turn into a Killian deck. Nice tech.
This is a very fun deck. I made my own version for standard brawl in arena. Halvar is a fantastic addition, doublestrike and the ability to move enchantments is very useful.
Slaughter is one of my fav removal spells in my Killian deck, costs 💀💀 and buyback for 4 life to continually be able to kill problematic non-black creatures. Also Hatred in this deck is just a one shot kill.
In regards to the tidbit: I think different beliefs; even religious and political beliefs, can still exist in a healthy long term relationship. Different core values; which may be closely linked to some of those beliefs, I think are not sustainable. Every relationship is built on compromise, but it's usually not healthy (imo) to compromise your core values. edit: sick deck, I've been looking for a fun Orzhov deck that isn't just Lifegain or Aristocrats.
I didn't know Finale of Eternity existed because I missed the set it came from, also something to consider for Killian is that all the aura draw creatures are based off cast so its pretty easy to include all the torpor orb hate bears.
Hatred, love me some Hatred since Exodus. I thought it was funny how the card was so low in price for years and than I guess it was discovered for EDH...I should have bought more than 2. LOL This deck is missing one land which you have to play post combat after you slay someone with Hatred and get all the life back because of Lifelink: Salt Flats #Delicious ;P
I was already thinking of this commander but I already have my Liesa deck, I've been drawn to a lot of 2-color decks recently.. mostly type combos I already had lol I do like the idea of not including super-staples, I feel like my table is liking them a lot recently - Fierce Guardianship is starting to get annoying lol
I didn't really like Killian as a commander, especially compared to the other uncommon legends from Strixhaven, but this video made him look pretty awesome. This looks like a really fun deck.
Oh my God I can't believe you guys are doing Killian hes my favorite Is out of strixhavon and I was really thinking about making a deck around him so this is perfect
I’m thinking of building this but balancing auras/voltron and targeted removal. Tetsuo Umezawa seems like a bomb inclusion if you’re mercing your opponents creatures left and right.
Big fan of killian. Recently built him, but I do have a couple questions. I've never played with or against an enchantress deck. 1) When you phase out a creature with enchantments (robe of stars), do you get the etb effects? 2)When you flicker a creature with enchantments, do the enchantments fall off and go to the graveyard? Thanks!
Phase out doesn't trigger ETB, because it never switched zones or left the battlefield, that means it keeps all of its enchantments. Flickering a creature moves it to exile and back, and all the enchantments would fall off.
Love this, but maybe have this separate from the tune-up name? I mean, y'all make daily content so spinning this off to just a separate semi-regular segment seems somewhat smart!
Nope. Went a whole different way. Lots of ramp, big beatters and winner creatures, plus kill spells, self mill, and reanimate spells. Got to get the beater Demons and angels out early. Then use Kilian's ability to make the reanimate cards cost less to bring them back on the battlefield. Most of this spells in these colors are 4, 5, and 6 drops that turn into 2, 3, and 4 drops.
What's your opinion on Thantis the Warweaver? I'm currently building a budget ~ 30$ deck with defender and vigilance and fog But I would really like to know what do you think about her as a commander in general?
Any thoughts on why you guys talk about Necropotence so much more often than Ad Nauseam? It just seems lightyears ahead in ending the game if it resolves. Willing to change my mind though, so I'd love to hear your reasons.
It requires much more deck building around it, in cedh this doesn’t matter as you just win with fast mana but especially in casual necro goes in almost every black deck while always paying 1 life per card. While ad naus is probably more competitive and powerful, it isn’t an auto include in every deck ever unlike necro, even in cedh as naus isn’t in every black deck. I think it also gets less talk as it’s almost exclusively a competitive card, and while it dominates there, the community is much smaller. I am biased as it’s one of my favourite cards though. TDLR ad naus is better but not as much as a super staple across all power levels
@@elipetrou9308 do you watch playing with power? It's my go to cedh channel and entire decks revolve around the power of ad naus and necro. Necro is played more often, but the effect of ad nausing on an opponents end step to untap with all the cards is almost more valuable than getting your best 7 off the top X cards of your library and exiting the rest. Necro just has an aggressive mana cost.
@@ADudeWhoExperiences1393 yes very often, and that was my point. While as naus is more powerful it isn’t as ubiquitous *in non cedh* the Nerds play mid to high power but not really within the cedh meta game, and I’m guessing they don’t see it as often, the RC also doesn’t care because it doesn’t affect casual, if any casual player tried to slam an ad naus they would die after a couple cards, where in competitive they just kinda win. Overall people don’t care about the problems in more competitive metas as they affect less people. I agree with you, but no one really cares about as naus as they rarely see it
@@elipetrou9308 I play it in two of my 7-8 power decks, Greven and my life swap deck. Does work in both since greven loves lifelink and life swap loves getting low or getting a ton of life.
When it comes to shared beliefs in relationships, there are certain things that you should be in agreement on or the relationship will either not work at all or be a constant point of tension that puts the relationship at risk of failing. There's plenty of other things that people can feel very strongly about but might not directly affect the relationship and not be that big a deal if you don't force the issue or it's not something that comes up much or really affects your life. An example would be like one of you just completely hates a specific actor because you don't like their style of acting. You might hotly debate it, but it's unlikely to affect your daily life if you don't push the subject or talk about it much beyond being a recurring discussion in good faith.
Nothing to do with this but my favorite thing about killian is the interaction with the mutate mechanic, pretty good in 5c or abzan mutate (sadly hes a human tho)
O ring effects still cost the normal mana since they don't target until they etb tho... Unless there is some that target on cast that I can't think of?
tid-bit .. depends on what it is. a lot of things i believe in even politically my wife just doesnt care, but she'll listen to me rant. luckily nothing so far that the other person cant accept. even level of caution in the current situation. tricky topic because it can get really political (ie vaccines). if the two are polar opposites, no kids i think will be ok as long as neither pushes their beliefs, but if kids are pulled in opposite directions then i dont know
since you are putting expensive cards into the list. Hatred is a 3 turn win witj killian or maybe 2 if its 1v1, multiplayer well someone is going to get piss at you for killing him turno 2-3 lol.
Why can’t all uncommon legends be as cool as killian
I knew I had to build Killian when I saw it. Turned it into Orzhov blink value town and kill your stuff deck. For example, Settle Beyond Reality is kind of insane here.
And then I randomly pulled a foil Killian off of one pack my parents sent me. So that was fun.
Strixhaven came pretty close tbh, Dina is great and I think Rootha actually might be underrated as well; Zimone and the boros one were both kinda flops but 3/5 is pretty good.
Strixhaven brought us some absolutely fantastic commanders, that was a great set for EDH
@@natekite7532 I think many people don't quite "get" Rootha and her potential. I saw a match on YT and the guy running her seemed to have no clue on how to use her!
@@grumpyinbrooklyn6347 I've been thinking about trying to build her recently. She definitely looks like she has potential but I'm not sure exactly how to take advantage of her. I just wish there were a couple more big red/blue spells that she could copy.
Have you built her?
@@natekite7532 I started but then put her aside to finish other decks (compulsive brewer here😂)! Basically, I need to think about where to take her for a wincon, on a budget.
Awesome, i literally just finished my killian extort deck like 5 minutes ago, checked and this video just popped up. Ill keep it in mind as a second build
I just built mine a month ago so this is perfect
It's in a different deck for me, but Light of Promise & Order of Heliod would be a nice mini budget combo for Killian
This just weirdly inspired me to revamp my kindler of hope deck into an auras deck. Lots of good starting points for the white auras in this video.
Joe and Beezy, you outdid yourselves. This deck is awesome! I really appreciate it, and I’m happy to support the channel! 😁👍🏼 #Necromancer78 #GoNuts!
I'm building a deck for my son, ironically named Killian, glad I found this because I so wanted to include this card but didn't have any ideas that worked off the top of my head
This video taught me a lesson, that when 3.1 average CMC is considered extremely low maybe i'm going way too low for my low to mid casual decks. 3.1 is honestly on the high side for my decks nowadays (obviously i know that for the most part that number here is misleading since killian is kinda awesome) .
Typing this before watching.
You guys sparked my interest months ago when you mentioned Killian as an underplayed Commander. After that I built something similar some weeks back.
So gonna enjoy this video!
Killian is a bunch of fun. He is boss on Brawl with Arena. Fun for taking out other players creatures
Yawgmoths vile offering and utter end are auto includes in this deck, as are double Strike auras
mad appreciation for the Ralphthemoviemaker shirt there, Beez
Thank you 😂 that is one of my all-time favorite CZcams videos
@@NitpickingNerds i thought it was a reference to his channel, there's a specific video???
hit me with a link yall
"Swords to Elephant." lolz
I'm totally building this deck! Joe Cherries is STILL the Tribal Chief!
So glad there is a hatred in this deck. Should have mentioned how a turn 3 kill is possible with this. also surprised there wasn't a battle mastery in here for double strike
Hey Nerds! My new baby was born yesterday, the day you made this video. Thanks for wishing her a happy birthday!
Surprised Kaya's Ghostform isn't in there.
I think Kaya's Ghostform is a lot worse in a deck that isn't prepared to repeatedly recur it. If it's just a one-off effect, as it's likely to be in this deck, without being actively *extremely* good in the deck (since you'll still be losing all of your enchantments if Killian dies), it loses a lot of its value.
I have a Sram voltron auras deck that has gone a bit stale and isn't being played much. I could see it being pretty easy to turn into a Killian deck. Nice tech.
I've wanted to build Killian for forever. Thanks for the inspiration!
This is a very fun deck. I made my own version for standard brawl in arena. Halvar is a fantastic addition, doublestrike and the ability to move enchantments is very useful.
Slaughter is one of my fav removal spells in my Killian deck, costs 💀💀 and buyback for 4 life to continually be able to kill problematic non-black creatures. Also Hatred in this deck is just a one shot kill.
Love deck tech tune ups!!! Please more! Always more! We demand more! Two videos a day! Daily content continue!! 🙌… also thank you, you rock
i have a killian deck .. went tron ... a little different but alot of great ideas and upgrades from mine... thank u!
It’s my B Day today Thkz guyz and happy holidays to all my mtg brotherz and sisterz ☃️🎄❄️🎁🤘🏻
This guy Is full on pvp flavor. He was made for in-world combat. A cool guy for sure.
In regards to the tidbit: I think different beliefs; even religious and political beliefs, can still exist in a healthy long term relationship. Different core values; which may be closely linked to some of those beliefs, I think are not sustainable. Every relationship is built on compromise, but it's usually not healthy (imo) to compromise your core values.
edit: sick deck, I've been looking for a fun Orzhov deck that isn't just Lifegain or Aristocrats.
I didn't know Finale of Eternity existed because I missed the set it came from, also something to consider for Killian is that all the aura draw creatures are based off cast so its pretty easy to include all the torpor orb hate bears.
Hatred, love me some Hatred since Exodus. I thought it was funny how the card was so low in price for years and than I guess it was discovered for EDH...I should have bought more than 2. LOL This deck is missing one land which you have to play post combat after you slay someone with Hatred and get all the life back because of Lifelink: Salt Flats #Delicious ;P
commander tune ups is the beeeeeest
Vizkopa Guildmage, and Vito have been absolute houses in my Killian Deck.
I'd love to play my Arden/ Jeska deck against this 👍 looks awesome. Can someone please do an all voltron commander game?
I know a certain kid with a Greek hero's name that will really enjoy this episode. He's Killian's number one fan.
I was already thinking of this commander but I already have my Liesa deck, I've been drawn to a lot of 2-color decks recently.. mostly type combos I already had lol
I do like the idea of not including super-staples, I feel like my table is liking them a lot recently - Fierce Guardianship is starting to get annoying lol
I didn't really like Killian as a commander, especially compared to the other uncommon legends from Strixhaven, but this video made him look pretty awesome. This looks like a really fun deck.
Happy Birthday!
I've built a Killian reanimate deck, it's getting there. Very cool.
I have a Shirei deck and an Uril deck. I have surprisingly large number of these cards...
I have killian as my commander for my dead weight/mire’s toll brawl deck - it involves using lurrus as companion to recur cheap auras
Drop a list; sounds rad!
The title earned my like
lolol
This was the perfect time to include Evershrike.
I love killian plenty of cheap W/B clard to keep him alive too works really well in Duel commander to boot
This deck makes me want to make this my main B/W deck and upgrade my B/W Vampire deck to either a Mardu or Glint-Eye Deck
Oh my God I can't believe you guys are doing Killian hes my favorite Is out of strixhavon and I was really thinking about making a deck around him so this is perfect
I’m thinking of building this but balancing auras/voltron and targeted removal. Tetsuo Umezawa seems like a bomb inclusion if you’re mercing your opponents creatures left and right.
Careful with Bestow card and Protection from Creatures, I've run into that problem in my Chromium voltron deck.
NICE
You guys are really good at this.
Hey thanks a lot!
Another day, another Nerds, another birthday. When will the cycle end…
AURA AURA AURA AURA AURA!
Big fan of killian. Recently built him, but I do have a couple questions. I've never played with or against an enchantress deck. 1) When you phase out a creature with enchantments (robe of stars), do you get the etb effects? 2)When you flicker a creature with enchantments, do the enchantments fall off and go to the graveyard? Thanks!
Phase out doesn't trigger ETB, because it never switched zones or left the battlefield, that means it keeps all of its enchantments. Flickering a creature moves it to exile and back, and all the enchantments would fall off.
Dregs of Sorrow has a few other, very, very selective homes. I use it in a Vial Smasher/Sakashima list where it's literally always a bomb.
Ghosts are real, and Grave Titan is a great card
Nice
Could you ever make decks around the $500 range??? :)
I’ve been wanting to make a budget version of this deck. You guys reckon you could get it to $50? Love the content guys and enjoy the holidays!
I built one for my buddy @ 35$
How did you do it?
What about Silence the Believers? Is the mana discount applied to Strive costs as well?
Love this, but maybe have this separate from the tune-up name? I mean, y'all make daily content so spinning this off to just a separate semi-regular segment seems somewhat smart!
We did tune up his deck just 100%
@@NitpickingNerds fair, the deck was unplayable prior
Nope. Went a whole different way. Lots of ramp, big beatters and winner creatures, plus kill spells, self mill, and reanimate spells.
Got to get the beater Demons and angels out early. Then use Kilian's ability to make the reanimate cards cost less to bring them back on the battlefield. Most of this spells in these colors are 4, 5, and 6 drops that turn into 2, 3, and 4 drops.
Number 69. Nice
Love this deck
What's your opinion on Thantis the Warweaver?
I'm currently building a budget ~ 30$ deck with defender and vigilance and fog
But I would really like to know what do you think about her as a commander in general?
Peace out Tribe Scout.
I made a peasant commander deck with killian. Hes a fun card
That's very kind of you, I would just build this with all the removal spells and not mess about with Voltron. Win con would be people ragequitting
This man understood the card text. Proud.
I made the cut 😊
Nice. I see what you did there.
I made a Killian/lurus deck that is also a pact rat deck
Oh wow 😂
Looks dope but man I don't think I could ever spend over a g on a magic deck
Dragon Shield does have the best sleeves tho
You're asking the wrong question. The question is, what or how much can I learn from this persons belief system? #forevertheskeptic
nice
You guys are killian it
Good deck dr.
Any thoughts on why you guys talk about Necropotence so much more often than Ad Nauseam? It just seems lightyears ahead in ending the game if it resolves. Willing to change my mind though, so I'd love to hear your reasons.
It requires much more deck building around it, in cedh this doesn’t matter as you just win with fast mana but especially in casual necro goes in almost every black deck while always paying 1 life per card. While ad naus is probably more competitive and powerful, it isn’t an auto include in every deck ever unlike necro, even in cedh as naus isn’t in every black deck. I think it also gets less talk as it’s almost exclusively a competitive card, and while it dominates there, the community is much smaller. I am biased as it’s one of my favourite cards though.
TDLR ad naus is better but not as much as a super staple across all power levels
@@elipetrou9308 do you watch playing with power? It's my go to cedh channel and entire decks revolve around the power of ad naus and necro. Necro is played more often, but the effect of ad nausing on an opponents end step to untap with all the cards is almost more valuable than getting your best 7 off the top X cards of your library and exiting the rest. Necro just has an aggressive mana cost.
@@ADudeWhoExperiences1393 yes very often, and that was my point. While as naus is more powerful it isn’t as ubiquitous *in non cedh* the Nerds play mid to high power but not really within the cedh meta game, and I’m guessing they don’t see it as often, the RC also doesn’t care because it doesn’t affect casual, if any casual player tried to slam an ad naus they would die after a couple cards, where in competitive they just kinda win. Overall people don’t care about the problems in more competitive metas as they affect less people. I agree with you, but no one really cares about as naus as they rarely see it
@@elipetrou9308 I play it in two of my 7-8 power decks, Greven and my life swap deck. Does work in both since greven loves lifelink and life swap loves getting low or getting a ton of life.
@@ADudeWhoExperiences1393 yeah, I play it in Alela turbo naus
You should Daxos to the 99, he's great in this deck
I suggest Fated Return for some more janky spice.
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Too bad it's out of color identity, because Chandra's Ignition would be absolutely filthy in this deck
When it comes to shared beliefs in relationships, there are certain things that you should be in agreement on or the relationship will either not work at all or be a constant point of tension that puts the relationship at risk of failing. There's plenty of other things that people can feel very strongly about but might not directly affect the relationship and not be that big a deal if you don't force the issue or it's not something that comes up much or really affects your life. An example would be like one of you just completely hates a specific actor because you don't like their style of acting. You might hotly debate it, but it's unlikely to affect your daily life if you don't push the subject or talk about it much beyond being a recurring discussion in good faith.
I dont think spectra ward stops sacrifice.
can you guys do one on galea kindler of hope? that would be a cool one
No robe of stars?
Hold on did you just say that turning Generous Gift into Pongify is “absolutely busted?” Lmao
This you exaggerated a bit there :p
Ghostpicking Geeks
Nothing to do with this but my favorite thing about killian is the interaction with the mutate mechanic, pretty good in 5c or abzan mutate (sadly hes a human tho)
Disclaimer guy needs a comeback
Does his static ability reduce for each target, or is it a flat 2 mana reduction?
It’s just a one-time deal!
Turn 3 Hatred for that least favorite friend.
Oof
Cherries doesn't belive in Spirits!?!? That's why they ranked the Millicent deck so low....
😂😂😂
i made killian O ring tribal decl. my friends hate me.
O ring effects still cost the normal mana since they don't target until they etb tho...
Unless there is some that target on cast that I can't think of?
Same Idea as ravenous chupacabra, it doesn't target anything until it etbs so you can't get a BB chupacabra
tid-bit .. depends on what it is. a lot of things i believe in even politically my wife just doesnt care, but she'll listen to me rant. luckily nothing so far that the other person cant accept. even level of caution in the current situation. tricky topic because it can get really political (ie vaccines). if the two are polar opposites, no kids i think will be ok as long as neither pushes their beliefs, but if kids are pulled in opposite directions then i dont know
since you are putting expensive cards into the list. Hatred is a 3 turn win witj killian or maybe 2 if its 1v1, multiplayer well someone is going to get piss at you for killing him turno 2-3 lol.
my parents gave up Christian and Jewish beliefs to be together because their families weren't super okay with dating out of their religion
Beezy! You need a hair cut😂
I will let him know
Religious yes political no.
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