How to Run Betrayal in Necropolis League
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- čas přidán 25. 05. 2024
- Betrayal is the most complex league mechanic in Path of Exile.
But it’s not that bad. You arrest criminals, make them flip on their boss, and hunt her down in a vigilante mission. It’s like an 80’s buddy cop movie.
Llarold’s going to break it down!
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:23 About the strategy
0:38 Is it fun?
1:35 Gameplay Loop
3:09 Scarabs
5:36 Profit
9:00 Advice for trading
9:42 Time Investment
10:16 Atlas Nodes
16:02 Difficulty
19:26 Veiled Mods
22:48 Betrayal Deep Dive
29:50 What do we do?
35:36 Safehouses
38:11 Cheat Sheet
41:02 Catarina
46:40 Catarina Walkthrough
50:40 Betrayal Board Reset
51:36 Stash Tabs
52:03 Outro - Hry
the best part of betrayal is that jun is right next to the defeated enemies, so you can unveil and get the crafting recipe right away and drop the useless item
That's true!
dude... clearest explanation ever. i've watched a million betrayal videos and always wind up just sitting there blinking. you have exceptional clarity. never understood a thing till i watched this video
Glad to help!
this is my first league start and i found your channel the other day and youve helped me understand so much about all these league mechanics keep up thhe good work
Glad to hear it!
One of the best if not the best guide for betrayal. thank you so much!
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching!
This was actually really well laid out man. Ive watched a few videos on this and yours lays it iut nicely and the timestamps were really handy fir the bits I already know
Thank you, glad to help!
This was one of the best Betrayal guides I've seen, and it's up to date. I spent way too many hours learning this stuff before. This would have helped a lot.
Thank you for the kind feedback :)
Wow I always felt confused every time I try to learn betrayal but your video made it so easy to understand. Thank you!
Glad to help!
Never understood betrayal until now, great guide. Gained yourself a sub. Thank you.
Glad to help!
Betrayal to me is easily the most confusing content in the game. Thanks for the video.
You're not alone! Glad to help!
Invest a little time learning and running betrayal in the upcoming league and it'll become extremely easy.
I felt the same way now that I understand the concept its far less like wtf lol.
Thank you for breaking down this content, I never really understood is until now! Would you recommend going straight for betrayal or focus on atlas progression 1st? Thanks again
Atlas progression is safer and will get you a baseline of XP and gear to then use on Betrayal a bit later on. Betrayal's good, it helps a lot with transitioning from early mapping bad gear to mid-endgame gear, but it can be really dangerous right as you step into white maps. Intervention encounters are particularly brutal!
Thanks king love you
We got you!
i cant remember if u talked about it (52 minutes hot damn) but betrayal is a really good leveling strat since the dudes gives 100% more xp and the betrayal zones gives 100% more exp too, they are amazing for lvling gems and helping your frinds lvl up
That's true, Safehouses are good for finishing off the last bit of XP toward a level.
May i asked u what kind of class are u playing in that video ? looks like something with forbidden rite. looks nice paired with cyclone. do you have a build for that ? Best regards!
It's CoC FR. We haven't made a build guide for it, and it is harder to get going now due to the mana flask suffix nerf this league.
Beautiful
Thank you!
I didn't even know safehouses, or the final boss existed. I just kept killing the guys in map encounters for crafting recipes and thought that was it.
A whole new world 🎵
Best betrayal guide.
Glad to help!
I have to disagree with you, regarding skipping the "Remove rivals" option. It can be really beneficial, when targeting specific syndicate members to get back on the board, if they are not present. Example: You want Hillock in your syndicate, but he cant be found on the board. Best thing to do is, instead of a whole boss rotation (so you reset the whole board), to do rivalry and try to remove 1-2 members so they can rotate with the desired NPC. Great video and really informative one for people with less experience with Syndicate. Mechanic with one of the best and funniest NPC lines in the entire game imao xD
The new betrayal rewards don't look as good before though. It looks as if you can just rush the mastermind over and over again since you don't have to pick out the correct agents in their correct departments and just cash out with whatever the rewards for the other agents are. Looking at you lot, Aisling grinders
This is good advice for players trying to min-max the Catarina rewards from their Betrayal board.
@@jhankhit1475 Totaly agree with you, but there are still good and interesting picks especially for day 1-2-3, where you can benefit alot, if you are available to position some of the members in correct HOs. Catarina is the number 1 priority no questions asked :)
I've been running a Kinetic Bolt Trickster and Bettayal has been pretty nice. Lots of xp and farming some scarabs too.
Excellent!
Feel like the fun part of betrayal is unveiling items when they already have one or more good modifiers and you hit something useful. Feels like you could get some nice chaos that way, but I suppose this is more high end stuff
Unveiling good items feels great, especially close to league start.
Is that cyclone build in footage playable for 3.24? Looks pretty nice,would be interested,looking at melee build guides for league and theres not many up at all
It might be. It's Cast on Crit Forbidden Rite, so even before the patch it was a high-investment build. Fixing mana usually involved a mana flask craft, which has been removed, so it will require some effort to get back to 100%.
this video clarified a lot of things, tyvm for sharing!
One thing: Why removing the rivalries at the last map b4 Cat is not a thing, instead of releasing the npc? I mean, im not sure if the rewards would be good anyway, but, releasing gives nothing and once you fight Cat the rivalries clears itself, right? (im not sure)
Gotta say, i didnt ever realise that the equipments shows which stats they're adding, same for the messages showing the rewards of the npcs.
great content, gratz!
That's a good point, removing Rivalries in the map before Cat probably does make more sense than releasing, since you at least get a reward.
I’m so indecisive on what I wana do on my maps
There are tons of great options available!
Can you earn a lot of currency doing blight ?
Oh yeah. It was buffed quite a bit compared to pre-3.24. Getting more bosses means more amulets for oil extraction. Getting all your Blighted maps to drop as Blight-Ravaged is insane. They also brought back the old sextant as a scarab with zero downside. It's really, really good.
So.. at 34:53, I see you interrogated korell instead of the bargain where it'll make korell and camera trusted. Wasn't the priority to make relationships (trusted or rival) so they show up more? Did it not matter cuz you were close to caterina which woulda reset whole board anyway?
Exactly right. Making relationships is important until you're about to spawn Catarina, and then it doesn't matter.
first league actually trying to start by self-sourcing betrayal...was going okay, but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. then farming while watching this, I actually had my first paradoxica fall...go figure!
Happy to be your lucky channel!
btw: what are your opinions on toxic rain raider ? for start to start up with some heits , like comparison if you have tried that approach , i know thta PF is better later on, but im rly slow starter so i thought about raider to speed it up a little :P
It moves faster for Heist, and that's basically it. It's less tanky, deals less damage, and has less utility. It can function for that one purpose, and you can make it clear maps and do content with enough gear, but it will fall well behind Pathfinder.
PF is also extremely fast!
@@PathofEvening thanks mate
I watched he entire vid to learn more than I ever knew ab Betrayal. BUT my question is, what is the song at 33:10 ish, I recognize it from Witcher 3, but what's the name of the song :(
Glad to help! It's actually the music from Act 6 Lioneye's Watch (czcams.com/video/SZ44vSZO-IA/video.html), but the vocalizations make it sound a lot like the Witcher 3 soundtrack.
@@PathofEvening Whaaaat?! This is amazing, thank you! :)
Is low tier jun farming worth it? Like in white and yellow maps. Did we get any info where the veiled orb drops - what ilv of catarina
We don't know if it's from a specific tier of Catarina, or if the chance is higher at higher levels, just that it only comes from her now.
Low-tier Betrayal has a lot of valuable rewards, so it's worth doing.
oh dear god thank you
You're welcome!
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Edit: typo
Thank you, welcome aboard!
dude, im at 0:48 , using glasses that "blocks" some lights, and yet my eyes are already hurting from this LS (mtx?) wtf, how do u manage to play with that? xd (time to get back to the video) :)
Used to it at this point, probably
I decided to learn betrayal last league, it's actually pretty easy to figure it out. I found one diadem, two paradoxicas, and like 35 flasks, in about 60-80 Katarina fights total, rng yo. That staff agree drops also sells for quite a bit, and who knows what the new veil orb will sell for.
How to learn it? I tried multiple times
@@ginz9r ok. Let's say you wanted aisling slam. That means you need her in research. Run a map and if she's anywhere other than the research lab, interrogate her until she loses all her rank then release her. Keep running maps until she's in in the lab. Once she's in the lab, interact with her first and execute her each time until she's level 3.
Does all that make sense so far? Where do you usually get lost?
Two Paradoxicas is downright aspirational.
@@PathofEveningbrutal droprate
Are you going to do white maps to farm uniqes?
Also at first you are probably pushing the atlas in order to get a bunch of points. Should i avoid interacting with betrayal there so i dont scale it to high?
Yes, yes, and maybe. A lot of Betrayal rewards (such as Catarina's uniques and character-specific unveils) are the same at low and high levels, so farming them in white maps makes more sense because it's cheaper, easier, and faster.
At this point, we don't know how map tiers will affect Scarab drops from Betrayal NPC's. Doing higher levels might be good, but Betrayal can be lethal, so you probably will want to wait on it until you have a little bit of gear to work with.
@@PathofEvening I see. Is Expedition worth it at lower levels? Do you loose anything except for the logbooks dropping at low levels?
Bit less currency, but it's still pretty rewarding at low investment.
34:36 you said earlier that building trusted and rival relationships is a very important aspect of betrayal. why here is making another trusted relationship not the move? is it so it will be lowered by 1 rank so on your next interaction you can execute them to get them to rank 3 without wasting a rank? or is it because you don't care much for the rewards of Cameria while in intervention? is it something else? or maybe im undervaluing the intel gain from prison and overvaluing a trusted string? I have literally no idea how to do betrayal, im simply asking so i can understand, not trying to sounds like a dink here.
We're at 90% Intel on Catarina, and we have a Safehouse ready, so once we run that Safehouse and do another map, we'll have Catarina ready to go. Once we kill her, she will reset all relationships, so building a relationship once you're nearly at the point of Catarina isn't as valuable as getting 21 Intel out of Korell, because that Intel *will* carry over once you kill Catarina.
Trusted strings are valuable pretty much throughout a board until you're right on the cusp of spawning Catarina, then you're good to ignore them and just try to either build up ranks for higher rewards from Catarina, or build intel to carry over after you kill her.
@@PathofEvening awesome brother thank you for the reply. To clarify, In a scenario other than right before getting to Catarina, the correct move would be to take the other option and build a trusted string? also great vid brother, I've tried watching like 4 vids and this is the only one that has made it thru to me in terms of understanding how it all works
That's right!
@PathofEvening hell yeah. Again, thank you for making the topic seem much less esoteric. Good luck on league stsrt, hope it's going well.
3: 45 you can guarantee wich mechanic the dropped scarab belong to by blocking other mechanics on atlas tree maybe?
That's definitely going to be something worth testing and looking out for. The content/scarab blocking notables will probably work on scarabs from Betrayal NPC's, and if so that could absolutely boost its value.
Maybe it won't work. It should, but that's also possible. Sometimes league content will drop stuff that shouldn't be possible, like when you kill a league monster and it drops a bunch of random t14/t15 maps when you have all your Voidstones in & Singular Focus selected.
According to the bonecracker guide, last season I was suppose to get a 7% mana reduction enchant for my rings but I never figured that one out. Somehow you line stuff up with the guy that has an E name. i ended up having to use a mana potion for most of the season and was slow. Eventually I went off guide and got a jewel that had a little mana gen and could kill stuff so much better after that. Never really got the good enchant though. I even got a good ring but it just had had 4% mana reduction lol (Probably why it was cheap)
Anyways this season going to play squishy chrs So a little scared :(
Elreon's cost reduction prefix is super valuable, one of the most useful things that comes from Betrayal!
what is that zyclone build you are playing there it looks really interesting
Cast on Crit Forbidden Rite. It's a pretty fun, high-investment build.
How do i spawn 4 betrayal encounters per map? Im only getting 3 even with fresh board no idea what im doing wrong plz halp. Thank u
You only get 3.
I got 2 parodoxicas in one day two leagues ago lol, I didn’t realize they were that rare
Pretty nice!
can you link the atlas tree for betrayal/expedition please?
Here you go: poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAAQAE8Ah9RcrZTuiRFM9eo1qe-LLki3StD-xVqBif4tD6fiIWDUuZZQ-HO1ZnyrzlrJ_Y3qcfX9jMy3J3Xn2d7-JKWe2CfJh53QxuEHTdp4wnDjnquCUad70nCzx-eu9d5RguEQfbX7sa2VpXPr4fXiThs1MFSHru8TfQsSGIuO2MGvC3HDl1cUFz0qto_lAH9zRDPGtdPVaalDtWNmH9U50CgUAB-LCAAAAAAAAAMDAAAAAAAAAAAA
Not gonna lie, I miss Jun veiled craft, that's how I made a lot of guaranteed Div's each league. It feels like they took away almost all of the guaranteed value and now it's totally RNG on wether you get a good/valuable scarab or a veiled orb drop. I'm going to give it a try again this league because I like that you can guarantee spawn it now, but it feels way weaker for currency farming than it was in the past.
It's definitely weaker for the people who knew how to consistently set up Aisling slams and were willing to deal with the hassle of selling them.
what are you play for build? i cant find your twich channel
Toxic Rain Pathfinder, you can find a playlist with our league start guides on it here: czcams.com/play/PLrM10FjC_LKhdyIpdD0ohE6TfdpcQqZ8a.html&si=VU0FPiEyMB_oo50L
What was that purple cyclone build throughout the video?
CoC Forbidden Rite. Fun, expensive, and a lot tougher to make work in 3.24 due to the removal of the veiled flask mana mod.
@@PathofEveningAhh damn okay, looks cool af anyway
One thing about your cheat sheet,
I run betrayal quite a bit this league and the 'swap divination card' has yet to disappoint me.
I just put in junk and get pretty good cards out more than 50% of the time.
Best card I got was - seven years bad luck
So I do not think it should be labeled as 'bad'
Nice!
Likewise about Vagan. been trying to get his craft in SSF for weeks now and nadda. Been turning me off from continuing with my CoC dd
Yeah, they made a lot of the food stuff from Betrayal a bit too rare.
Hmmmm...
You can get up to 179% increased scarab drops on atlas, but probably not worth it to go over 100% with the betrayal scarab since it probably won't round up when dropping. For that matter I'm not even sure if the wording of "Increased scarabs found in your maps" translates to "increased quantity of scarabs dropped in your maps". But if it does I would assume you could make every betrayal member drop 2 scarabs, which if you're getting 5 members per event is 30 scarabs. Assuming monster rarity mods apply to the rarity of scarab dropped as well, with the "more likely to be less common varieties" passive, betrayal could be a pretty hefty source of rare scarabs. In addition to the member's safehouse rewards having extra scarabs.
So much new stuff needs testing.
Very true. The potential is pretty crazy, and Mark did say in the interview with Zizaran that they want the reworked scarab system to feel extremely rewarding.
I dropped a Paradoxica yesterday in SSF and made a character to traffic it to trade and sold it for 11 div
Very nice.
are you going Betray or expedition first after kirac?
Probably Expedition first, since it gives a mix of currency and gear crafting through Rog, but either way could be pretty good.
7:13 yooo, let's hear what's in the Sex and Sex 2 stash tabs lol
Path of Evening trade secrets! =)
Anybody whos been farming betrayal can tell me whats the drop rate of the highest tier of scarabs for a fully leveled safehouse
Unsure if the drops are different in red-tier Safehouses vs. white-tier Safehouses, but you get anywhere from 3-5 scarabs per box from t2 and t3 Syndicate members, so a decently-stacked Catarina kill can reasonably net you 30-50 Scarabs.
i meant the tier of the scarabs! Like 3 starring safehouses last leagues gave u winged scarabs but it looks like its not the same anymore this league :/
What is that cyclone build?
Cast on Crit Forbidden Rite. It's fun, but requires a pretty high investment to get working.
@@PathofEvening thanks, yea its not for a noob player like me, probably multiple divines of investment needee
what build is that at 0:30 it looks so flashy O.O
Lightning Strike. This version is a Poison Pathfinder from a past league. It's dead now, but LS Champ still works!
Actually, if you aren't scarabing your map, don't take extra Jun chance if it doesn't lead to something. If Jun isn't there, you don't waste time on it. You will get a similar amount of Juns at 80% as 100% because you will do more maps.
That is a functional approach, it really depends on the relative expense of maps. If you're spending all the other atlas passive points on Jun and she doesn't appear, they're wasted. On the other hand, if she doesn't appear, then you don't have to commit to that map. You can just speed-clear any other mechanics you have that did show up and leave as soon as you've extracted the bulk of the value.
It works, but it's a style of play that feels a bit counterintuitive for most players.
what is the build he used at the start called?
Lightning Strike. It's best played as a Champion build now.
@@PathofEvening ty, it looks so cool
hm... is betrayal any useful for profit? i mean except for veiled orb nearly every scarab is worth about 1c *lol
Most scarabs are worth more than 1c in bulk. For the ones that still are that worthless, you can 3-to-1 them at a vendor for random other scarabs. Because of this, a large of supply of scarabs (even low-value scarabs), can be worth a lot.
Got an atlas progression guide?
Yep.
Early Atlas Progression Guide: czcams.com/video/nTSP8DY-j1I/video.html
And also PoE Patch 3.24 Atlas Passive Tree Breakdown: czcams.com/video/vEG7btGVWzo/video.html
@@PathofEvening Thank you Llarold.
Atlas points link?
As discussed in the video, no link. Just take the Betrayal points if you want to run Betrayal.
Sadly it turned out they've butchered syndicate, veiled orb drop rate is very low, scarabs are cheap, nothing valuable to be gained, flask, kulemak and diadem are very cheap
It was pretty good as a strategy for the first weekend. Beyond that, yeah, it doesn't really have the same currency-making appeal that high-end strategies do, and that's okay.
The Scarabs from red-tier Intervention Safehouses and Catarina kills can be good, though.
That a shame that they removed ailsling veil and white vorici sockets
Aisling Veil was itemized and moved over to Veiled Orbs, which drop from Catarina.
Vorici Sockets are gone, though. The only alternatives are Omen of Blanching or the Harvest Benchcraft, and they're pretty expensive by comparison.
In retrospect it looks like the Catarina drop rate is waaaaaay too low. No way that it should be ok that the veiled orb is ~17div
Almost 20 catas in and 0 orbs
RNG, baby!
@7 min in when I saw your color chart with all the equipments. Notices you had sex and sex 2😅
You can have it too.
Are you a physician?
No, he's not a physician. Why do you ask?
Is betrayal dead? There's no way this new betrayal can be even half as good as selling aisling on tft or winged scarabs
It prints an absolute truckload of scarabs, and the uniques are still valuable.
@@PathofEvening i farmed 60 div a day with just betrayal and essense in tota and affliction. there’s absolutely no way this can reach the 4 div/aisling on tft we had in the past. i hope to be proven wrong.
Of course not, but it was clear from the moment they announced that it would be itemized that the profit margin from selling Aisling slams would shrink. People weren't paying that much for Aisling because of the value it provides, they paid to circumvent the inconvenience of setting it up.
With the inconvenience removed, the price goes down-but it's also easier to farm.
With all that being said, just pulled 12 Scarabs in a no-juice white map, as well. It's still good, just distributed more evenly throughout the process.
@@PathofEvening its not just aisling. Winged scarabs are much much easier to get and is worth more imo. we also lost hillock and vorici and cinderswallow is worth jackshit now with the mana flask craft being gone. Jun is shell of its former self.
Yeah now its just braindead rush for catarina and hope for good uniques and veiled orb, building safehouse's today is time waster, specked today for essences
Beetlejuice league
100%.
Molten shell on left click to move fully leveled is absolutely broken u have more health from molten shell than you do on your actually character thank God they removed that shit so broken and dumb ever click u give your self 3 times your health plus a buff that reduces the damage you take absolute broken mechanic needed to go thank god.
Pretty much.
This is EXACTLY how I feel when I drop something nice on a practice run lol. It's bittersweet.
Just got another raw Divine Orb in Act 5 doing league start practice. Sometimes it's like that!
without vorici white sockets and hillocks flask quality craft betrayal is useless. what are you talking about?
Veiled Orbs, Uniques, & Scarabs are more valuable than Vorici or Hillock.
@@PathofEvening noob
Why are you talking that strange like an anime boss character dude? Just relax n talk like u normally would
Interesting feedback. However, this is how Llarold always talks.
His voice is nice to listen to, very constant
idk why u constantly talk about scarabs
except of couple of them they worth next to nothing
Okay.