Redcat Ascent Fusion Vs Vanquish VRD Stance! 100% stock vs stock!
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- Stock vs stock! Who wins? You decide!
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This was by far the best side by side comparison I've ever seen between any 2 Rc crawlers. good job and thank you for the video.
I appreciate that more than you know! I really tried to make sure it was the best I could make it. That’s not always the best but it’s at least my best. Thank you for this 🙏
Some people seem mad at how good the new redcat is, and really hate on it without even checking it out.
I totally agree!
Facts.
💯 Percent mod it with a Fuzion 1800 Beadlocks Ruptures and remove the inner shock springs It's Awesome 👌
they will sell you a defective truck and then refuse to warranty it. Spend at ur own peril.
@@jgrc73 what was wrong with your truck? Just curious. Haven’t heard of many issues.
I have a highly modified Everest Ascent, a well built/modified Carbon, and a Fusion with only tires and wheels. All I will say is they are all very good vehicles, it's a damn good time to be in this hobby!
Loved this comparison. Great job Matt! A lot of people said the “overhyped influencer reviews” of the fusion were just for redcats marketing benefits, but I think this video really showcases how good the fusion is compared to other top-tier RTR’s.
Really appreciate that!
I ordered a fusion today after about 2 years out of the hobby can’t wait for it
Nice! Hope you love it!
Great side by side!! Would like to see them both on the same tires, foams, and wheels.
I knew the video would be this good. Well done as usual Matt!
Thank you so much! I tried my best on it 🙏
Absolutely epic comparison!! You killed it with this one to show how good it is. I had to order online since my local Hobbytown is trash lol.
@@THESERGEANTJRC really appreciate that! I haven’t really been to a hobby town that was impressive. I’ve seen a few online that look pretty cool but most of the ones I’ve been to don’t have much lol
Now for me and my time and use it’s Redcat all the way.I dont have the time for kits and a lot of money to pore into a rtr crawler.Im not biased towards any brand.I buy at the time what gives me the most bang for $. Thanks for making these and all your other vids. Really does help decide on what’s a decent performer.
wow, great lines and climbs, outstanding show, still cant make up my mind, thanks for all you do!!!!
Appreciate all the time and effort you put into making this video. Many folks were looking for this comparison, complete stock vs. stock and you delivered what I believe to be a great fair and honest comparison. I personally like them both but you cannot beat what Redcat is offering for the price. I also like how Redcat is allowing new drivers the chance to experience a brushless crawler at a RTR price. I hope the other big name companies are paying attention and a new standard for RTR crawlers emerges over the next couple years.
Built 6 1/24 scales with in 2 years. When i saw the Fusion announced i immediately bought it (first adopter) for once i found a rig that doesnt need much. Ive ripped and sheered links already, literally reversed it off a mountain. And i havent needed anything but the initial cvd rebuild when it first lauched and a set of front lower links.
I like it the way it is. For once its nice to not have to spend another $100-$200 just to compete at a local comp.
I was missing two screws and two red washers. After a quick email to Redcat, both trucks are fixed. The 3rd truck had all of it's screws and washers. Kudos to Redcat for building such an awesome rtr!!! 😎
Awesome trucks for rtr's... Can't go wrong with either but for price.. go Red cat lol
Amazing job on this comparison! I have mostly 18s&24s, but the one 10 i have is the gen 8 axe edition, this new ascent fusion is the same collab with hobbywing. Im drawn to it and want to have my ascent 18 look just like it! Thanks for the content you give us and time to make for us. I appreciate you 🙏
Thank you! The Gen 8 axe was an amazing collaboration and helped them get rolling with these type releases imo. Really appreciate ya!
Trying to get two trucks to synch up on a bunch of lines must have been quite the challenge! These are two great RC's for sure!
I got the vanquish and I absolutely love it! I’m super impressed with its ability. You can smooth out the throttle on the controller and endpoints. It needs some tweaks out of the box but all there. The Redcat looks awesome and I was tempted to buy that too.
Have an Ascent coming this week. Can't wait.
Appreciate all the work you put into these videos for us!
Wauhhh, what a comparison of these two rigs. So much time invested but the result is outstandig. What an effort, a lot of work. Would like to buy an Ascent Fusion but not available in Europe yet.
That stinks! Really appreciate the comment. It was some work but I wanted it to be the best I could make it.
redcat wins this round ;))
Impressive comparison! Thank you for sharing this with us!! If you add the 2300KV Fusion Pro and a 15T Pinion, that little Redcat will dance on them Rocks!!! 😈
Great video
I doubt it made it easier for anyone to decide lol. They are two very capable trucks.
Great Review, just saved me a 💲Benjamin💲going for the Fusion!
Thanks for the video brother
Man thanks to your research info i pulled the trigger on this Ascent Fusion!
2 questions
1.Im running 1500 3s ZEEE Lipo im charging at 1.5A!! What voltage im i supposed to be charging it at currently it’s at 4.20V ???
2. I got a set of regular injora wheels 1.9 i will be putting on the stock ascent tires once i get the beadlock wheels off
I coudnt decide on what silicone inserts to get so i got both from injora The greens soft and the blue mediums i know your not a big fan of the silicone inserts but it was the budget i could work with
I believe the weight bias of the truck is 60-40% i thought about running the green soft inserts in the rear and the blue mediums in the front just based on the bias creating a stable platform
What would u do on the inserts thanks again for all your information brother much appreciated since im new to all this RC stuff literally its been weeks
1.5amps is fine. Should top out around 4.19 or 4.2 usually. I normally try to go with a bit stiffer foam in the rear. You want the side hill stability and soft squish for clawing your way up stuff in the front and not loosing your turning on side hill. For me I like a bit stiffer in the rear usually because when you start up something all of your weight wants to transfer to the rear and it needs the support from a bit stiffer foam or insert. That’s just the way I normally set them up.
@@2fmrc thanks brother I heard its great also to run the soft greens up front and the blues in rear for that same reason
Now whats your opinion on the Timtins dual stage foams the problines knockoffs im thinking about going that route instead over the silicone inserts ???
Redcat is killing it this year…not even close
So far the best actual comparison between the Redcat Fusion and Vanquish Stance. I’d like to see your take on the Ascent Fusion vs Vanquish VRD carbon fiber with an 1800kv fusion and same servo and same tires, wheels and dual stage foams
I ordered up a fusion for the vanquish. Gonna see what I can make of it with the stock chassis for a bit then I may swap to the carbon or an aftermarket chassis. Definitely hanging tires on them both and gonna run it again.
@@2fmrcI’ve been dying to see a rerun with both having same fusion motor with 2stage foams the winner of it will get my purchase money . I’m got one cart with a stance the fusion bl setup and a servo and the other cart a redcat ascent fusion new foams and heavy wheels a servo and some brass both are about same price just trying to decide which to press the buy on lol. Thank you for this video it really was an amazing comparison I guess I just have more ? before dropping almost 900$ on everything
Which one do you like better?
The Fusion is a force to be reckoned with. A few minor mods and that thing would be near unstoppable. Ill be picking one up soon. Thanks for the efforts and the reviews.
For sure! Unreal how good it is as an rtr. It gets a lot of hate but I really do love both my ascents.
@2fmrc As far as I'm concerned, all of the RTR trucks have their weak points. Most of them seem to have weak servos. A lot of them have mediocre tires unless you do a little snipping. There is always something to add to these trucks to make them perform a little better. But, I've been looking into the Redcats quite a bit lately, and a few of their RTR trucks are a really solid starting point. The Fusion seems to perform pretty well out of the box. I also think the Marksman is an awesome rig out of the box. Yea, the servos and tires are meh. But a decent servo is like $60, trim the tires up, a couple other little mods, and presto. You got a solid little truck.
Thanks for the time you put into this comparison. Even if you spend the same on the pair with good tires and inserts for the Redcat, still have better electronics. Both look really fun to drive. Thanks!
Great video! If this was 4 years ago I'd have gone with the Redcat as I was just getting into crawlers & it has so much going for it out of the box. But now I'd go for the the Vanquish as it has inferior electronics but is able to be upgraded past the Redcat. I have a Vanquish VS$-10 Falken RTR which is amazing & will upgrade the motor/esc to a Fusion 2300 in the next little while to make it even better. But the Redcat is a great all in one & raises the game in its segment & price point.
I luuuv seeing Redcat top Vanquish.
Great video showcasing two great rtr trucks!
Hands down best stock comparison. All the other channels that are doing the “vs” videos are not running them bone stock. I own a custom built vrd and a built ascent and they are both awesome trucks and both of them trade lines all day long.
Really appreciate that! I have a nicely built ascent also. Working on building the stance soon to run them side by side again. Ordered a fusion for it and got a few other things coming as well
I have to agree with Mike on this one. So... take the Ascent Fusion, $100 that you saved vs Stance, get the DSM cf chassis, there's your angled skid. Or wait for Ryan Short's chassis currently being designed (That's what I'm waiting to see), Ruptures, and inserts on both. Right there alone, I believe the Ascent takes Stance every time. But then, Stance still needs all new electronics. I feel the more you go on dumping the same amount in each rig, it's still a win every time for Ascent, imo...
All you guys need to know RTR means ready to replace.😁
Ready to reassemble lol
Great comparison and thanks for the time and effort you put into this 👍🏻👏🏻. The fusion Redcat is pretty awesome compared to the price. Was going to get a Stance but after research it doesn’t seem right when I would be purchasing a new motor, ESC, and servo. Once you do that the VRD kit is a much better option due to the upgraded parts the Stance doesn’t come with. Again great 👍🏻 comparison. And that Redcat is pretty wicked
Yeah the kit is definitely the way to go with the vanquish!
Even though you had to bump the Vanquish on some of those climbs, it was impressive it didn't bounce bad when it did. Do you think different foams and/or more venting would do the trick? Or are the tires themselves just not quite enough for those climbs/terrain?
Great comparison between the 2 the clips singed pretty well to home the comparison on this end. Wonder how it would have been if both had the same wheels & tires. To be honest I was really surprised at how well the Ascent did.
That’s my next goal! Run them both with the same set of upgraded wheel/tire
Although we've bumped heads I really enjoy your content!
I really appreciate that! I do apologize for my hard head 😆
@@2fmrc No need to apologize for being you. I'd much rather you being you than being fake for an audience!
I like the stance its got that comp look
Both awesome Trucks but if I had to choose it would be the Redcat Ascent Fusion !!!!!!
im not planning on getting either but im here for it
Really appreciate that!
Thank you for doing a true side by side. Everyone is comparing modded stances to stock red cats or modded both to each other but not even giving them equal mods. Kinda bummed I bought the Stance a week before the Red cat released but I guess it's an excuse to buy another.😂
Hey that stance is a nice truck. I’d pick up a couple upgrades for it and go. Its gonna be a sweet truck when I start modding it imo
Wow I picked that scx6 ryft up at beat the creek 23rc
I'm not use to seeing Vanquish running second banana on the rocks. Especially to RedCat. 🤯
Nice job on the video. Shows things well.
I’m new to the brushless system. I have a question about a noise and slight vibration the motor makes will slow crawling over and obstacle?
Terrific video, new sub. Nice driving to both of you, looks like a fun crew you have there. Oh my goodness that jumpy speed controller in the stance. For $500 put a 1080 in it for Pete's sake vanquish its flippin 2024! Redcat needs better foam and alloy wheels upfront. Love the vanquish axles though. Good foundation for a killer rig but the rest of it really keeps it from being excellent. Rock on.
Really appreciate the sub! I’ve already ordered a fusion for the vanquish. It’s gonna be a fun truck to mod for sure! Hoping to compare both trucks again after a few upgrades. Let me know if ya need anything. I really appreciate the sub!
Nice driving!
Can’t deny the redcat value…. I wonder if it will have longevity or if there’s weaker metals at play inside….at that price though get whatever is better as pieces break.
Both are too tall for me to be lcg rigs…but!
Perfect side by side comparison
I just wish they had more color options on the ascent. red and black looks good but scratches terrible bad and just not my favorite color option with all the red on the chassis. im sure they come out with more soon at the rate they are selling stuff
So cling on video ir40 maybe ? But truly a great side by side comparison keep up the great work that red cat impressive
Thank you for the good in depth video and work. Would the Stance fit the Fusion motor ?
It does. It’s tight and a bit of a pain to install just because of the motor layout on the stance & how much work is involved to change it but it fits.
@2fmrc Cheers mate for the fast reply regarding motor fitment.
@@HeavyHaulagePilbara no prob man! Hope it helps!
Why is Redcat not making an 1/10 LCG 6X6?
Nice video and comparison! Have you done any programming adjustments to the Redcat Fusion RTR esc? It would be nice to adjust throttle response but the manual makes it look like it is more limited than the standard Fusion SE for adjustments.
No I haven’t adjusted it at all. I think it is limited. The bec is also limited but at something like 7.4v I believe.
They both need alittle weight, and both need the fusion pro. Damn good vid Matt. Think this is one of the best side by side comparisons. I am exaggerating here. But most other youtubers are comparing an SCX24 to Vanquish VRD. Then complain about how the SCX24 sucks. Remember, I exaggerated.
lol I get it for sure! They do both need a bit of weight imo. Already ordered a fusion for the stance and a viewer was nice enough to offer sending me some brass for it and links! Can’t wait till that all gets here! I really liked the stance and think it’s gonna be a blast to drive with a few upgrades.
cool new look, RC with great adventure, always good videos bro👍👍😃
Great comparison Matt! Hands down Ascent wins…price and way better electronics.. Sick bunny hop at the end lol
Haha! Thanks!
Thanks for the vid. Which body do you prefer? I'd go with the Redcat: looks a lot meaner with that open back.
The only bad thing with the Redcat is the front end pops off all the time and that black gets beat up pretty quick. Besides those couple things I think I like the all black on the Redcat. It’s just sweet!
Just for fun, fusion motor in stance , stance tires on fusion. Do you prefer longer wheel base or alittle more wider a platform?
It really depends what I’m gonna do with the build. Obviously the wider stance helps out in a lot of sidehill etc but for me sometimes I like the more narrow stance to slide in tight spots. I usually see what most in my area are running and go the other direction lol. I like to be different.
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Thanks Matt!!!!
Great video!!
If I may ask where are you crawling in this video? I live in southern Indiana and would like to check the place out.
It’s a place called Laurel Branch campground around McDaniels Ky. Let me know if you decide to come down sometime. It’s only about 15mins from me.
Both are awesome 👌 👏 ❤️🔥
Just wish the Ascent was servo on axle
1tenth Rc has a good soa mount for it. I did the conversion on my og ascent. Works great. Be a little tougher on the fusion ascent but with the old motor mount or something you should be able to make it work.
Wedging those trucks in that ditch was painful to watch haha but its for educational purposes. I'm surprised the plastic gears in the redcat didn't say goodbye right there.
Yeah normally I probably would’ve backed out of that one but gotta test them lol. The thing that helps the Redcat gears is the slipper. It really won’t allow it to strip the gears. You can heat it whine a bit at one point. It does its job well!
be interesting to swap meats and try test again.
Yeah I’m gonna run them back with the same upgraded wheels and tires also 🤘🏼
I love the Fusion better what a stock truck can’t wait to get mine, mite well be the first one in the uk 🇬🇧
The look of it stands out above the rest too
I ordered my Ascent Friday. Hopefully I get it here in the next couple days
@@MrSmith223 hope you love it!
I take Redcat 😋🤙
Awesome video!! I got the fusion on the way. What do you feel is a good weight for a set of wheels for it?
I normally run cheap amazon wheels with the hub weights. Usually these or the heavier ones if no other brass is added.
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@2fmrc so a set of 153g a piece is no big deal? I actually have them on the FCX10 Blazer at the moment. Is that too much for a trail truck?
@@OGKDOG104 I don’t think so. I run a lot of weight on most of my trucks. I try to keep as much as possible from being rotating weight but I’ve ran much heavier weights in all sorts of trucks lol
That weight in tires and wheels on vrd makes it’s unfair haha nice review and crawl tho
I am bummed i bought the 1/10 ascent 4 weeks ago then they came out with the Fusion. I would of gladly paid the other $100 had i know that fusion was going to drop just weeks later. Freakin pissed.
Awesome content 🫡
Thanks!
Love the video
Really appreciate that!
Redcat hopefully they won't do a Traxxas/ Nintendo vibe to us hobbyist and keep pricing low and we will continue supporting them. Hell i will buy redcat before traxxas now
hey 2fm rc do you plan on adding weight to the redcat ?
Probably a little. More than likely just with some heavier wheels because I really hate to buy more brass for it lol. My og ascent I did brass inner portal covers also.
I believe the fusion did better because it was completely stock ! We all know how much just changing the wheels and tires ,foams will change the performance of any rig
Also you didn’t mention the Stance has more overdrive.
True! Left that one out. I didn’t really notice it when crawling but I do normally prefer a little more than the Redcat comes with. I just swap to the treal 28% ring and pinion in the Redcat and bam! More od!
Come on, man. Just because we don't agree with your opinions doesn't mean we think your Lying.
Do you think those Redcat tires will break-in and get any better? They just have that 'new' look and I have to think they'll change with wear.
I've got a Redcat coming and I think the front shocks need those inner springs removed and your hairbands added. What do you think?
Great video, BTW. You really nailed it! I'd like to see what would happen if you swapped tires!
You're in Kentucky, right? I going to Indianapolis to see the Eclipse in a couple weeks and I plan on having a half a day check out the rocks on the way. Have you got any suggestions off the Interstate coming up from Nashville? I know you've got something dialed in. Isn't that your area?
lol yeah I get bashed quite a bit by some. No matter what I say or do 😆. Nolin Dam tail waters is a spot that’s about 30 mins from munfordville exit on i65. That’s about the closest spot to i65 that we hit regularly and I know is good. It’s a pretty awesome spot. I have a couple vids on crawling there. It’s the spot where there’s a lot of blacktop between the rocks. It’s always the same so it’s a great spot to test trucks etc. Lots of great lines! Not quite sure what we are planning to do that day but Liam and I could possibly even meet you over that way. Search up Nolin Dam Crawling and you should see my vids on it. Let me know if it looks like a spot you’d wanna check out! Shoot me an email if ya want. My email should be in the description of the video 🤘🏼
@@2fmrc Yea, I've seen the videos already. That sounds like the perfect spot. We should be there on Saturday the 6th in the afternoon. Thanks for the heads up!
With any Luck, I'll have a new Fusion and a sack full of tires!
COOL vid...
Now put a Fusion in the Vanquish & see how it does.
Already ordered one lol
I mean injora beadlock wheels
Nice 👍🏾
It appeared to me that the Stance was the clear winner. Not drastically, just slightly better. Thanks for a great video!
You can't make a better comparison video . I used to think Vanquish was for me .
I really appreciate that!
Exocage got a little thrashing for doing a comparison on 2 diff tires and in this, 2 diff motors as well.
here's the problem with comparisons like this; in full scale, there are conditions for which segment each vehicle is in; in crawler competition same thing. so, they should be judged only within their class rules. otherwise, I fear there is both a bit of bias and misunderstanding of what they can actually do.
I really look forward to all your videos because I hear you have the more objective approach to most rigs.
right away, we see that rtr's using low quality parts so the value isn't that high; we replace so much out of them and these are not entry level rigs neither at their price point.
But I have also recently been converted to kits; we need more kits. better value and quality products. rtrs should be around 200 for these parts.
We should all be more critical in our hobby as well and demand better from mnfts and lower prices.
Crazy how you have yo do a PSA about critical thinking before sharing your view.
Strange times.
I’ll still get bashed and people will say I favor one or the other for whatever reason 😆
@@2fmrc it doesn't matter to me if you do favour one brand even, I don't think in terms of tribalism.
You make content with obvious passion for what you're doing and an eye to getting value and performance, that's why I watch. I don't slavishly follow everything you say though.
Make up your own minds people!
Is this redcap sponsored ???
Man I love the red cat but hate the looks of it.
Ok so a comparison of rtr means nothing is changed on either so in my opinion kinda shady
lol ok cool
Man i should have got the redcat..i got the vanquish and i honestly have to say it sucks .. links are weak ,servo is weak ,parts are expensive af
Yeah those are all major issues with that truck. With a little work (and money) it can be very good but imo the Redcat is the best budget crawler offered and it’s crazy good out of the box!
If you’re gonna go vanquish, go with the kit, not the RTR
I agree 100%. It a lot of new to the hobby people have been wanting to see which rtr to pick up. I know of two local people considering both.
IMO the VRD really shines in the carbon kit form. Get good electronics and tires up front, enjoy the superior parts quality and geometry. Vanquish RTRs are just too high priced to compete head to head
If i had to choose, i'd buy the Vanquish. The chassis has a good design, the body suits perfectly and though the low speed isn't great, this truck crawls a little better.
To my eyes, the Ascent suffers this ugly black cube that stands for a body. 😇
The Ascent fusion is not a stock truck. The Ascent is a stock truck. I add similar electronics and it is no contest. For the money I would pay for the stance any day. I am sure you are getting better kick back from Red Cat.
Haha! I knew it was coming. So you don’t take the fusion ascent out of the box with the fusion in it? That’s stock buddy. Other companies need to get on board with it. I didn’t even say anything about which truck I preferred and you wanna accuse me of being bought by Redcat. Get out of here 😆
He’s saying the original ascent has poor if any gear reduction so they put a fusion in it will you go over that please it’s a cover up with the fusion why the vehicle
Is blistering fast. The front end geometry is awful like all their crawlers torque twist you name it pile brass on it. Will you go over why the panhard is bent why the upper link places on the wrong side and why the shock js
in front not allowing you to angle it back like on the rock pirate video. Not to mention it’s ridiculous to work on. I have one of their vehicles and spent 2-4hrs trying to undo their issues the marksman. I bought because “it looks cool”. Why would you use the heavier material “steel” for
Your chassis higher sprung wieght rails that’s ridiculous so they put carbon on it. So they have modified their original vehicle with all
This stuff is the dude wrong I posted earlier but my
Post disappeared I’m not here to disrespect you.?
@@CasperRc81 sounds like you’ve had major issues with yours lol. I have absolutely loved even my og ascent. I have gspeeds,gshot,Poizd build etc and it basically hangs with them besides not having the insane belly clearance they have. I did go servo on axle because of the panhard mount stripping (like I mentioned) but besides that the thing has been great. The marksman was pretty awful imo 😆
😂 your not wrong about that 😂 have a great night
So the redcat isn’t stock because they installed upgraded parts in the factory and sold it RTR? Dude, that’s the craziest justification I’ve ever heard.
Thanks for the review. I have Vanquish trucks and a Gen 8 and the 1/18 Ascent. Fans of both . However the Redcat for being a groundbreaker underdog ! Tough decision