@@dustinchen there's an episode where they portray Heaven and it's literally announced that Mormonism was the correct religion to choose if you wanted to get in.
Actually, I think the punch line is, "smart smart smart smart smart.". I mean, it's funny because they are using "dum", until they pull out "smart" to confirm they are really saying "dumb".
As a mormon myself, I loved this episode and it had me crackin up lmao. Especially the "dum dum dum dum dum" bit. Till the wife questions it, then it goes to "Smart smart smart smart smart" 🤣
Was raised Mormon...did two years as a mormon missionary...Feel some sort of guilt and stupidity for believing mormonism AND teaching it to others...for me, this synopsis, although cartoonish, f'cks with me emotionally; as in, how f'king dumb was/am I? Cult trauma? Depending on the state of my current mood this cartoon is an ABSOLUTE f'king trip for me.
To be fair there have been a couple of times like: . Hating high school musical . Getting rod of the harley riders . Sending the orca to the moon . Still loving faith filling . Choosing Xbox over Playstation . Saving Ike from a pedophile . Getting pyjama day back . Stopping the hacker on world of War craft And a few others
Fun video! They had to compress a lot, and it would've made it even more true to the actual story if it had shown how the bedroom Joseph slept in when the Angel appeared was not just him alone in the room - *he and his 5 brothers shared the* bedroom. Somehow *none of his 5 brothers knew this ever happened*, and they definitely hadn't been awakened by the conversation nor the light. Of course Joseph Smith never even claimed it happened until many years later.
I mean, that's hardly something that disproves the story. If an angel can appear in a bedroom, that angel probably can have magical sleeping powers too. I'd say teleportation is higher on the magic scale than sleep hypnotism.
@@jonstiffer4994Ah man, don't you know? All relgions are full of hokey believes that on their face seem farcical but are actually true according to the religion. Except mormonism, all that stuff was just a bunch of wackos! The mormons are OBVIOUSLY wrong about religion, but everyone else is right!
Wouldn't God intervening and forcing people to stay asleep and not witness an otherworldly event be a violation of that person's free agency? Early versions of the "vision" have what is a much better explanation for why none of his brothers were awakened. During his 1830 interview with Fayette Lapham, Joseph Smith Sr. referred to the *Moroni visit as "'a very singular dream'" about* "a valuable treasure, buried many years since." (Reference: Early Mormon Documents, Volume 1, Page 458, reprint from Fayette Lapham's original work from 1830, Interview with the Father of Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet). And, A Letter of Testimony, written by Parley P. Pratt 26 Nov 1830, stated "This new gospel was found in Ontario Co., N.Y. and was discovered *by an Angel of Light, appearing in a dream to a man* by the name of Smith." [Reference: Letter from Amherst, Ohio, 26 Nov. 1830, "BEWARE OF IMPOSTERS," The Telegraph. Reprinted in The Reflector (Palmyra NY), 14 Feb. 1831. Also see Early Mormonism: Correspondence and a New History by Dale Morgan (Signature Books, 1986)] And, a Report from the Palmyra Freeman (newspaper) in August 1829 stated: "In the autumn of 1827, a person by the name of Joseph Smith, of Manchester, Ontario Co., reported that he had been visited *in a dream by a spirit* from the Almighty and. After having been thrice visited, as he states, he proceeded to the spot." [Reference: A New Witness for Christ in America, (Zion's printing and Publishing, 1951)] A cousin of Emma, who stayed with Emma and Joseph Smith during the dictation of the Book of Mormon reported "…the statement that the prophet Joseph Smith made in our hearing, at the commencement of his translating his book, in Harmony (in 1828-1829), as to the manner of his finding the plates, was as follows… He said that *by a dream he was informed* by a ghost." [Reference: Photocopy of letter, Photocopy in fd 8, box 149, H. Michael Marquardt Papers, Manuscripts Division, J. Willard Marriott Library, University of Utah. Also see _Mormon History, A New Chapter,_ by Joseph Lewis and Hiel Lewis and _Early Mormon Documents, Volume_ 2.] The _Ohio Star,_ (newspaper) reporting on preaching by Oliver Cowdery and Peter Whitmer in December 1830 "(They said) In the fall of 1827, a man named Joseph Smith of Manchester, Ontario Co., NY, reported that he had *three times been visited in a dream, by the spirit* of the Almighty…" [Reference: THE GOLDEN BIBLE, Ohio Star, (Ravenna, OH), 9 Dec. 1830, Madeline R. McQuown Papers, Marriott Library University of Utah, in fd 4, box 46. Also see _History of the Church, Volume_ 1, page 118-119.] So the earliest versions of the Angel Moroni visiting Joseph Smith are actually dreams. This is the more likely reason why none of Joseph's brothers, who were in the same room as him and 2 of them actually sleeping in the same bed as him, were awakened. It is much less likely that your claim of God taking away the Free Agency of all 5 of these people would be correct. Is there some reason why it would bother you if it had actually been a dream through which God communicated, rather than a physical person going through the walls and roof and standing several feet above the floor? Martin Harris, one of the three witnesses to the Book of Mormon, also long insisted it was a dream: In an 1842 interview he stated "It was after one of these night excursions, that Jo, while he lay upon his bed, had *a remarkable dream. An angel of God* seemed to approach him, clad in celestial splendor.” [Reference: Testimonies of Book of Mormon Witnesses, John Clark, Gleanings (1842), p.226 "Martin Harris Interview"] The church today claims this event occurred 21 Sep 1823. It remains unclear in which year this occurred exactly, but the day of the year is given as 21 September. This is an important date in the folk belief of the time. Now does it really make any difference whether it was a physical presence of an angel? Or whether the information was communicated in a dream? @@jonstiffer4994
Noooo, actually he did not. What Joseph Smith actually told his father is clear in the following interview given by Joseph Smith Sr.: During his 1830 interview with Fayette Lapham, Joseph Smith Sr. referred to the Moroni visit as "'a very singular dream'" about "a valuable treasure, buried many years since." (Reference: Early Mormon Documents, Volume 1, Page 458, reprint from Fayette Lapham's original work from 1830, Interview with the Father of Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet). There are many other early personal accounts by people who heard it directly from Joseph Smith Jr.'s lips that the visitation by Moroni occurred in a dream: A Letter of Testimony, written by Parley P. Pratt 26 Nov 1830, stated "This new gospel was found in Ontario Co., N.Y. and was discovered by an Angel of Light, appearing *in a dream* to a man by the name of Smith." [Reference: Letter from Amherst, Ohio, 26 Nov. 1830, "BEWARE OF IMPOSTERS," The Telegraph. Reprinted in The Reflector (Palmyra NY), 14 Feb. 1831. Also see Early Mormonism: Correspondence and a New History by Dale Morgan (Signature Books, 1986)] There are several other early firsthand accounts that show Joseph's experience was within the context of God communicating with him through a dream, wherein he saw a Heavenly personage (sometimes referred to as a Spirit, a Ghost, or, in Martin Harris' 1842 account "an Angel.") but all through a dream. A Report from the Palmyra Freeman (newspaper) in August 1829 stated: "In the autumn of 1827, a person by the name of Joseph Smith, of Manchester, Ontario Co., reported that he had been *visited in a dream by a spirit* from the Almighty and. After having been *thrice* visited, as he states, he proceeded to the spot." A cousin of Emma, who stayed with Emma and Joseph Smith during the dictation of the Book of Mormon reported "…the statement that the prophet Joseph Smith made in our hearing, at the commencement of his translating his book, in Harmony (in 1828-1829), as to the manner of his finding the plates, was as follows… He said that *by a dream he was informed by a ghost* ." [Reference: Photocopy of letter, Photocopy in fd 8, box 149, H. Michael Marquardt Papers, Manuscripts Division, J. Willard Marriott Library, University of Utah. Also see _Mormon History, A New Chapter_ , by Joseph Lewis and Hiel Lewis and _Early Mormon Documents, Volume_ 2.] This is actually not uncommon, that the original account of being visited in a dream that occurred 3 times, morphed into an account of being visited 3 times during one night by a physical Angel. Accounts of events usually do morph over time and become more elaborate. This account follows the normal course. In September 1823 the Smith boys who would have been sharing a room with Joseph included Alvin, 25; Hyrum, 23; Joseph Jr., 17; Samuel, 15; William, 12; and Don Carlos, 7. And on the other side of the small attic, separated by only a thin wooden plank wall and doorway slept Sophronia, age 20, and Katherine, age 10. (Lucy, age 2, slept downstairs). This was a VERY small log house, so the only way all of these other people could not have heard Joseph speaking and conversing nearly all night with the Angel, would have been if the visitation had been in a dream. Remember also that the light the Angel brought with him made the room as "bright as the Sun at Noonday." Most people wake up when that bright a light occurs. Did Heavenly Father take away the Free Agency of all these people and force them ALL to stay asleep and not notice anything? I doubt it. Therefore it appears much more likely that the information Joseph needed was communicated to him via a dream, or 3 dreams, during the night. Also note that the year Joseph claimed this occurred changed with the evolution of the account. And the same occurs with the narrative of the First Vision. The year 1820 does not fit the social conditions Joseph described occurring at the time of his First Vision. The early accounts of the First Vision were actually _different_ from the latest account, which is now the official account. In history it is found that the accounts given CLOSEST to the time of the event are the most accurate. I believe the early accounts of being informed the location of the Golden Plates, and the early accounts of the First Vision are the most accurate ones. The church had to choose one account to use as the official version, and so it chose in each case, the latest account which was more elaborate. This was before documentary evidence had all been gathered and testing for accuracy showed that memory is more accurate the closer it is to the actual event. Note also that the latest account described Moroni as: "His hands were naked, and his arms also, a little above the wrist; so, also, were his feet naked, as were his legs, a little above the ankles. His head and neck were also bare. I could discover that *he had no other clothing on but this robe* , as it was open, so that *I could see into his* bosom." Notice that Moroni was not wearing garments under his robe. He was wearing nothing under his robe. What does that tell you? @@tacoclaus8168
There was actually a physician supplying psychodelics to the church leaders after Joseph Smith founded the Mormon Church, but that did not occur until the church moved to Kirtland, Ohio. The channel MythVision has a historian interviewed about this period of Mormon history. They had the desired effect.
What's you evidence that, as you say, "Everyone will go to Hell for not believing him"? Show us where are the facts that support your claim. @@ErichoTTA
Lucy Harris, about 6 years after the event in the video, made an affidavit under oath describing her husband Martin's predilection for superstition and desire for supernatural events. After mortgaging their home and farm to pay Joseph Smith money to print the Book of Mormon he began to demand that no person set foot in his house who did not believe. Lucy simply could not believe and Martin became aggressive and violent toward her, even turning her out of the house. Eventually, because the sales of the Book of Mormon were not profitable, 151 acres of the farm had to be sold off to pay the debt.
My grandfather was a Southern Baptist Preacher so I grew up in the church. As soon as I was old enough to form my own opinion I never believed and eventually quit going until I had my first son. We go as a family every Sunday now. Neither my wife nor I believe at all in any religion, but it is wonderful for our kids. It teaches them to be good and surrounds them with good people. Connecting with my father as a man he's admitted that he doesn't believe either. Lol
One of my goals in life has been to invent a system that will produce good people without the craziness of religion. I've made a lot of progress, but now I'm dying of cancer. It's been difficult to get anyone to listen to me. Oh well.
The key idea is to apply the Copernican principle to the realm of the mind. Once we realize that we're not the center of the mental universe, many things become possible. The other main idea is to realize that the mental phenomenon (universal mental states and processes) that we cherish can exist in any mind at any time if the conditions to produce it are present.
At times it can be good, but there are always people who believe God is most pleased when everyone adheres to every rule exactly and never deviates. The belief that God requires everyone to think exactly the same and never believe differently CRUSHES individual creativity and becomes oppression. Remember the Wise Adage "Those who can convince you to believe absurdities, can convince you to commit atrocities" - Voltaire And Truly, Mormon history IS FULL of ATROCITIES. Such as the Massacre at Mountain Meadows, and the daily suffering of so many women and girls in Polygamy. As well as the conditioning of men that becoming close to their one wife is unimportant. Due to Polygamy the close human connection is completely lost and people become mere cogs in a wheel.
Unlike Stan he doesn't judge other people because of their religion what is his religion anyways first stand was jewish then Stan was Christian then Stan was another religion is his family this one of those with this flip-flop to whatever religion the dad wants to be that day I mean look at this dad as a dead beat worthless piece of s*** that even the devil wouldn't want
They are annoying and implement their religion at work. While living in Arizona, I once had a supervisor try to hold me to Mormon standards. I cannot stand Mormon people, despite their “nice” demeanor.
@@Boconnor401. As someone who does believe in God, albeit a more distant and less involved god, yes this is basically how they all (at least the Abrahamic religions) started.
Pops back in.. "mr.harrison's a white guy right?" ... so funny and so accurate. That is must have info for a confrontation. Don't wanna be fighting a black dude.
I live with a bunch of mormons as my neighbors. I am a atheist but they are the nicest people around. They have always invited us to their summer picnics, easter cantatas, christmas dinners. They've never pushed their church on me or pushed me into their religion. They are just very nice. I appreciate that in them.
They should be teaching you about Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. The Bible says whoever has ears let them hear. That's different than "forcing conversion". Btw it's not about converting, it's about reverting. Everyone on Earth at one point in the previous spirit life knew about Heavenly Father.
Southpark also has a mormon heaven with all dudes dressed up as mormom 18 year old mormon missionaries saying "hello brother". The Church of Scientology episode is even more hilarious..
@@zzludzz if they did it would point out how many times the jehovah witness leader has predicted the exact day the rapture will come....6 times now. 0 for 6.
As a teenager who knew nothing but Mormonism but had never been told this, as most Mormons go to their death not knowing this, I began to see the truth.
I had a friend in school like this. This episode is like a carbon copy of my experience with him, minus the bullying, he was really cool. Always smiling, always bright and sunny - went to his house, his parents, always smiling, always bright and sunny, his hot older sister - always smiling, always bright and sunny. So over the top, lol I think he finally rebelled in college though, but we had lost touch by then.
That's probably the best thing a religion can do. As long as they aren't assholes or trying to push their religion on you, being a community to help others seem like a great way to live. And if a religion they follow kinda guids them to it, then that's all fine
Smart people are not necessarily better at finding objective truth than average people, but they are better at rationalizing their biases (I heard of a study that made this conclusion). And our biases are usually based on what helps us keep or increase our status in our in-group. We developed our intelligence not mainly to find objective truths about the world, but to help us get what we need to survive and to spread our genes. At least that is a hypothesis
No, a lot of what you find including this south park episode doesn’t include the evidences that we know. For example the witnesses who all saw the Book of Mormon and felt the weight of it have all never denied the book even upto death even when they left the church and moved away they still never denied it. That’s one thing nobody has ever been able to even try to debunk and it’s why it’s never shown
@@jeron3966 Most of the so called witnesses admitted they just "saw them in the spirit" (the golden plates), though, since that they were covered the whole time. And the ones that didn't admit it had vested interest in publishing the book.
@@lukejeppson6604 The main thing I don't like about Mormonism is it gets tithes from it's members, preaches being thrifty and all that and the church has businesses, investments while the rest of it's members struggle to make ends meat. Bunch of hypocrites leaders. Most of the members of the LDS that I've met are good people though. Good people within a cult.
@@Kopie0830 no one cares really unless u were really special like a super vip thing i have friends who are mormon they message me before saying how i have been and that years ago and now since there married idk they never message me anymore or maybe if i am the one who message first and if u left any mobile number to them They call you cause youre un contacted member
When I served my Mormon mission, I had some guys yell out while I was on the street, “Joseph Smith was a prophet.” And I replied, “Dum dum dum dum dum.” They stared at me for a second before I started laughing. We had a good conversation and it taught me something, that it is better to never take yourself too seriously even with something that you consider sacred. If believe something than believe it, and if you are gonna share it because it helped you, be ready to laugh or be laughed at. In a way, it’s kinda like turning the other cheek
The ending was perfect. Stan was in fact the idiot in this situation. I mean he was right about their believes being completely off base but refusing to be his friend because of his religious believes is stupid and childish. Cartman making the realization that Gary was actually a cool kid caught me completely off guard
Nope. Gary, his family and his religion are the dumb ones in this scenario. Having religious beliefs is stupid, but not childish. Children have more sense than that. Remember this: It is NEVER okay to be religious.
Yeah, but he went over to his house and every night all they did was talk about Joseph Smith. So stan did kind of a point. If I was to invite a friend over, I wouldn’t be talking about religion.
200 & 201 only had a passing reference to Muhammad and a cartoon depiction ... and the Muslims went nuts and threatened Parker and Stone that they risked violent retribution. Hard to find a copy today without Muhammad blanked out.
Jesus !!! 😂I recently converted from Orthodox Judaism to the lds church ( Mormon Church). They are extremely nice and accepting kinda strange but I like it just got baptized 🎉 say what you want I’m happy
Watching this as a believing Mormon is a pretty interesting experience. The guys at South Park did pick stories that pretty much every Mormon hears over and over again. They got most of the facts pretty accurately (the only major thing they got wrong is that Joseph Smith didn't show the plates to anyone else. He did show the plates to 11 official witnesses and several other unofficial witnesses). However, it's interesting to hear it told from such a different tone and perspective than the million times I've heard the exact stories at church.
@yourquirk656 Only if you base your understanding off a bunch of cherry-picked 2nd and 3rd hand accounts while ignoring a huge portion of the 1st hand accounts (especially where the witnesses clarify what they meant by 'spiritual eyes') "In regards to my testimony to the visitation of the angel who declared to us their witness that the Book of Mormon is true, I have this to say: Of course we were in the spirit when we have the view, for no man can behold the face of an angel except in a spiritual view, but we were in the body also, and everything was as natural to us as it is at any time. Martin Harris, you say, called it 'being in vision.' We read in the Scriptures, Cornelius saw, in a vision, an angel of God. Daniel saw an angel in a vision; also in other places it states they saw an angel in the spirit. A bright light enveloped us where we were, that filled at noon day, and there in a vision, or in the spirit, we saw and heard just as it is stated in my testimony in the Book of Mormon."-David Whitmer "I handled those plates; there were fine engravings on both sides I handled them. "-David Whitmer ""Gentlemen, do you see that hand? Are you sure you see it? Are your eyes playing a trick or something? No. Well, as sure as you see my hand so sure did I see the angel and the plates"-Martin Harris
“Ye are My witnesses,” saith the Lord, “and My servant whom I have chosen, that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me." - Isaiah 43:10
Why would God say He would destroy Smith's wife if she had a problem with him sleeping with other women? God condemned polygamy throughout the OT and NT.
There are many Bible verses about God's unchanging nature and yet in Smith's King Follet sermon he says God was once a man like you or I and was exalted and became God.
One of the best episodes. So what if your religious beliefs are doubtful, if they make you try your best for your fellow man and family. Wise and very funny at the same time.
@JackSonOfJohn First of all, the book of Mormon says that the native Americans were white skinned Jews from Jerusalem in 600bc, that would be impossible to travel across the Atlantic in that year with the boats and sailing technology at the time. Second Joseph Smith couldn't show anyone the golden tablets before he translated them into English, the second time he translated them it said similar things but slightly different because "God was angry" no offense to you but doesn't that make it really seem like he made it up. He used God as an excuse to marry multiple other peoples wives saying God said they need to marry Joseph Smith which is immoral to marry another mans wife.
@@cryptochris9001 The technology to traverse such a fierce ocean wasn't until the caraval in the 1400s or 1500s, not in the bc in what would probably be some small little boat
@@ArrowheadMapping6767 theres other ways than to travel across water, and how do you know if they did cross water it was an entire ocean? It's not impossible that's my point. The exact way they got there isn't most important.
@cryptochris9001 Because according to Mormon belief they got across in a boat even though there wouldn't have been the boat technology for such a journey
It's funnier when you remember that Mormon is canonically the correct religion in the South Park universe.
Mormons are the only ones allowed in South Park heaven
What’s that mean
@@dustinchen there's an episode where they portray Heaven and it's literally announced that Mormonism was the correct religion to choose if you wanted to get in.
@@philtll that's hilarious czcams.com/video/jbNnsiP4Rhg/video.html
So the angels in the story were real lol
My favorite part of this video is the "Dum Dum Dum Dum Dum" part LMAO 😂
My favorite part is the way Randy pulls that beer through his jacket sleeve without spilling a drop. That’s a man.
Its "dumb"
Actually, I think the punch line is, "smart smart smart smart smart.". I mean, it's funny because they are using "dum", until they pull out "smart" to confirm they are really saying "dumb".
It’s brilliance.
Pretty basic then aren’t you
I love how he wanted to make sure he was a white guy before he went to kick his ass. 😂
😂😂😂
I do like Gary as a character, especially his parting words. The whole episode is brilliant satire, one of their best ones!
As a mormon myself, I loved this episode and it had me crackin up lmao. Especially the "dum dum dum dum dum" bit. Till the wife questions it, then it goes to "Smart smart smart smart smart" 🤣
@@tuipulotulavaka1757 Stop it, you're just being really nice to blindside dumb people like jetta. lol
Was raised Mormon...did two years as a mormon missionary...Feel some sort of guilt and stupidity for believing mormonism AND teaching it to others...for me, this synopsis, although cartoonish, f'cks with me emotionally; as in, how f'king dumb was/am I? Cult trauma? Depending on the state of my current mood this cartoon is an ABSOLUTE f'king trip for me.
I liked their one on Meghan Markle and Prince Harry which was pulled when they threatened a law suit.
I love how the "dum dum dum" thing completely flew over the head of that mormon girl that reacted to this lmao
Did she see the part where the wife gets the lyrics replaced with "smart smart smart"? I remember not getting it until that part.
@@Hedning1390 yes, she was THAT dense
3:27 I love how Randy put the beer through the sleeve as well lol
Years of practice
😂😂😂😂
Kyle and Cartman being on the same side has to be one of the rarest moment
To be fair there have been a couple of times like:
. Hating high school musical
. Getting rod of the harley riders
. Sending the orca to the moon
. Still loving faith filling
. Choosing Xbox over Playstation
. Saving Ike from a pedophile
. Getting pyjama day back
. Stopping the hacker on world of War craft
And a few others
“Will he bleed?! That’s all we care about!” Cartman knows the facts 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That’s the most that I have ever learnt about the Book of Mormon. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.
And yet, oddly enough, you didn’t actually learn anything.
My girlfriend is ex-mormon i always say dum dum dum dum dum when she talks about the church. She hates it. Edit: shes a geologist like randy.
Yeah that's a bit insensitive tbh
Fun video! They had to compress a lot, and it would've made it even more true to the actual story if it had shown how the bedroom Joseph slept in when the Angel appeared was not just him alone in the room - *he and his 5 brothers shared the* bedroom. Somehow *none of his 5 brothers knew this ever happened*, and they definitely hadn't been awakened by the conversation nor the light. Of course Joseph Smith never even claimed it happened until many years later.
I mean, that's hardly something that disproves the story. If an angel can appear in a bedroom, that angel probably can have magical sleeping powers too. I'd say teleportation is higher on the magic scale than sleep hypnotism.
@@jonstiffer4994Ah man, don't you know? All relgions are full of hokey believes that on their face seem farcical but are actually true according to the religion. Except mormonism, all that stuff was just a bunch of wackos! The mormons are OBVIOUSLY wrong about religion, but everyone else is right!
What do you mean he didn’t claim it happened until years later? He literally told his dad the next day
Wouldn't God intervening and forcing people to stay asleep and not witness an otherworldly event be a violation of that person's free agency?
Early versions of the "vision" have what is a much better explanation for why none of his brothers were awakened. During his 1830 interview with Fayette Lapham, Joseph Smith Sr. referred to the *Moroni visit as "'a very singular dream'" about* "a valuable treasure, buried many years since."
(Reference: Early Mormon Documents, Volume 1, Page 458, reprint from Fayette Lapham's original work from 1830, Interview with the Father of Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet).
And, A Letter of Testimony, written by Parley P. Pratt 26 Nov 1830, stated "This new gospel was found in Ontario Co., N.Y. and was discovered *by an Angel of Light, appearing in a dream to a man* by the name of Smith."
[Reference: Letter from Amherst, Ohio, 26 Nov. 1830, "BEWARE OF IMPOSTERS," The Telegraph. Reprinted in The Reflector (Palmyra NY), 14 Feb. 1831. Also see Early Mormonism: Correspondence and a New History by Dale Morgan (Signature Books, 1986)]
And, a Report from the Palmyra Freeman (newspaper) in August 1829 stated:
"In the autumn of 1827, a person by the name of Joseph Smith, of Manchester, Ontario Co., reported that he had been visited *in a dream by a spirit* from the Almighty and. After having been thrice visited, as he states, he proceeded to the spot."
[Reference: A New Witness for Christ in America, (Zion's printing and Publishing, 1951)]
A cousin of Emma, who stayed with Emma and Joseph Smith during the dictation of the Book of Mormon reported
"…the statement that the prophet Joseph Smith made in our hearing, at the commencement of his translating his book, in Harmony (in 1828-1829), as to the manner of his finding the plates, was as follows… He said that *by a dream he was informed* by a ghost."
[Reference: Photocopy of letter, Photocopy in fd 8, box 149, H. Michael Marquardt Papers, Manuscripts Division, J. Willard Marriott Library, University of Utah. Also see _Mormon History, A New Chapter,_ by Joseph Lewis and Hiel Lewis and _Early Mormon Documents, Volume_ 2.]
The _Ohio Star,_ (newspaper) reporting on preaching by Oliver Cowdery and Peter Whitmer in December 1830
"(They said) In the fall of 1827, a man named Joseph Smith of Manchester, Ontario Co., NY, reported that he had *three times been visited in a dream, by the spirit* of the Almighty…"
[Reference: THE GOLDEN BIBLE, Ohio Star, (Ravenna, OH), 9 Dec. 1830, Madeline R. McQuown Papers, Marriott Library University of Utah, in fd 4, box 46. Also see _History of the Church, Volume_ 1, page 118-119.]
So the earliest versions of the Angel Moroni visiting Joseph Smith are actually dreams. This is the more likely reason why none of Joseph's brothers, who were in the same room as him and 2 of them actually sleeping in the same bed as him, were awakened. It is much less likely that your claim of God taking away the Free Agency of all 5 of these people would be correct.
Is there some reason why it would bother you if it had actually been a dream through which God communicated, rather than a physical person going through the walls and roof and standing several feet above the floor?
Martin Harris, one of the three witnesses to the Book of Mormon, also long insisted it was a dream:
In an 1842 interview he stated
"It was after one of these night excursions, that Jo, while he lay upon his bed, had *a remarkable dream. An angel of God* seemed to approach him, clad in celestial splendor.”
[Reference: Testimonies of Book of Mormon Witnesses, John Clark, Gleanings (1842), p.226 "Martin Harris Interview"]
The church today claims this event occurred 21 Sep 1823. It remains unclear in which year this occurred exactly, but the day of the year is given as 21 September. This is an important date in the folk belief of the time.
Now does it really make any difference whether it was a physical presence of an angel? Or whether the information was communicated in a dream? @@jonstiffer4994
Noooo, actually he did not.
What Joseph Smith actually told his father is clear in the following interview given by Joseph Smith Sr.:
During his 1830 interview with Fayette Lapham, Joseph Smith Sr. referred to the Moroni visit as "'a very singular dream'" about "a valuable treasure, buried many years since."
(Reference: Early Mormon Documents, Volume 1, Page 458, reprint from Fayette Lapham's original work from 1830, Interview with the Father of Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet).
There are many other early personal accounts by people who heard it directly from Joseph Smith Jr.'s lips that the visitation by Moroni occurred in a dream:
A Letter of Testimony, written by Parley P. Pratt 26 Nov 1830, stated "This new gospel was found in Ontario Co., N.Y. and was discovered by an Angel of Light, appearing *in a dream* to a man by the name of Smith."
[Reference: Letter from Amherst, Ohio, 26 Nov. 1830, "BEWARE OF IMPOSTERS," The Telegraph. Reprinted in The Reflector (Palmyra NY), 14 Feb. 1831. Also see Early Mormonism: Correspondence and a New History by Dale Morgan (Signature Books, 1986)]
There are several other early firsthand accounts that show Joseph's experience was within the context of God communicating with him through a dream, wherein he saw a Heavenly personage (sometimes referred to as a Spirit, a Ghost, or, in Martin Harris' 1842 account "an Angel.") but all through a dream.
A Report from the Palmyra Freeman (newspaper) in August 1829 stated:
"In the autumn of 1827, a person by the name of Joseph Smith, of Manchester, Ontario Co., reported that he had been *visited in a dream by a spirit* from the Almighty and. After having been *thrice* visited, as he states, he proceeded to the spot."
A cousin of Emma, who stayed with Emma and Joseph Smith during the dictation of the Book of Mormon reported
"…the statement that the prophet Joseph Smith made in our hearing, at the commencement of his translating his book, in Harmony (in 1828-1829), as to the manner of his finding the plates, was as follows… He said that *by a dream he was informed by a ghost* ."
[Reference: Photocopy of letter, Photocopy in fd 8, box 149, H. Michael Marquardt Papers, Manuscripts Division, J. Willard Marriott Library, University of Utah. Also see _Mormon History, A New Chapter_ , by Joseph Lewis and Hiel Lewis and _Early Mormon Documents, Volume_ 2.]
This is actually not uncommon, that the original account of being visited in a dream that occurred 3 times, morphed into an account of being visited 3 times during one night by a physical Angel. Accounts of events usually do morph over time and become more elaborate. This account follows the normal course.
In September 1823 the Smith boys who would have been sharing a room with Joseph included Alvin, 25; Hyrum, 23; Joseph Jr., 17; Samuel, 15; William, 12; and Don Carlos, 7. And on the other side of the small attic, separated by only a thin wooden plank wall and doorway slept Sophronia, age 20, and Katherine, age 10. (Lucy, age 2, slept downstairs). This was a VERY small log house, so the only way all of these other people could not have heard Joseph speaking and conversing nearly all night with the Angel, would have been if the visitation had been in a dream. Remember also that the light the Angel brought with him made the room as "bright as the Sun at Noonday." Most people wake up when that bright a light occurs. Did Heavenly Father take away the Free Agency of all these people and force them ALL to stay asleep and not notice anything? I doubt it. Therefore it appears much more likely that the information Joseph needed was communicated to him via a dream, or 3 dreams, during the night.
Also note that the year Joseph claimed this occurred changed with the evolution of the account.
And the same occurs with the narrative of the First Vision. The year 1820 does not fit the social conditions Joseph described occurring at the time of his First Vision. The early accounts of the First Vision were actually _different_ from the latest account, which is now the official account.
In history it is found that the accounts given CLOSEST to the time of the event are the most accurate. I believe the early accounts of being informed the location of the Golden Plates, and the early accounts of the First Vision are the most accurate ones.
The church had to choose one account to use as the official version, and so it chose in each case, the latest account which was more elaborate. This was before documentary evidence had all been gathered and testing for accuracy showed that memory is more accurate the closer it is to the actual event.
Note also that the latest account described Moroni as:
"His hands were naked, and his arms also, a little above the wrist; so, also, were his feet naked, as were his legs, a little above the ankles. His head and neck were also bare. I could discover that *he had no other clothing on but this robe* , as it was open, so that *I could see into his* bosom."
Notice that Moroni was not wearing garments under his robe. He was wearing nothing under his robe. What does that tell you?
@@tacoclaus8168
The dum dum dum dum dum always has me rolling
I want what Smith was smoking!😂
There was actually a physician supplying psychodelics to the church leaders after Joseph Smith founded the Mormon Church, but that did not occur until the church moved to Kirtland, Ohio. The channel MythVision has a historian interviewed about this period of Mormon history. They had the desired effect.
LMFAO! 😂 smokin the hopium
He wasn't smoking. Everyone will go to Hell for not believing him.
What's you evidence that, as you say, "Everyone will go to Hell for not believing him"? Show us where are the facts that support your claim. @@ErichoTTA
@@eclipse-sh1qmZ3mOtcua "Probably" said Mormonism was the right religion and everyone goes to Hell for not being Mormon.
Lucy Harris smart smart smart, Martin Harris dumb 😂😂
Lucy Harris, about 6 years after the event in the video, made an affidavit under oath describing her husband Martin's predilection for superstition and desire for supernatural events. After mortgaging their home and farm to pay Joseph Smith money to print the Book of Mormon he began to demand that no person set foot in his house who did not believe. Lucy simply could not believe and Martin became aggressive and violent toward her, even turning her out of the house. Eventually, because the sales of the Book of Mormon were not profitable, 151 acres of the farm had to be sold off to pay the debt.
Smh the Harrison’s only have 5 kids unrealistic
Gary is the most ideal version of a religious kid. He admits Mormonism is dumb but he's a good person because of it.
My grandfather was a Southern Baptist Preacher so I grew up in the church. As soon as I was old enough to form my own opinion I never believed and eventually quit going until I had my first son. We go as a family every Sunday now. Neither my wife nor I believe at all in any religion, but it is wonderful for our kids. It teaches them to be good and surrounds them with good people. Connecting with my father as a man he's admitted that he doesn't believe either. Lol
One of my goals in life has been to invent a system that will produce good people without the craziness of religion. I've made a lot of progress, but now I'm dying of cancer. It's been difficult to get anyone to listen to me. Oh well.
The key idea is to apply the Copernican principle to the realm of the mind. Once we realize that we're not the center of the mental universe, many things become possible. The other main idea is to realize that the mental phenomenon (universal mental states and processes) that we cherish can exist in any mind at any time if the conditions to produce it are present.
At times it can be good, but there are always people who believe God is most pleased when everyone adheres to every rule exactly and never deviates. The belief that God requires everyone to think exactly the same and never believe differently CRUSHES individual creativity and becomes oppression.
Remember the Wise Adage "Those who can convince you to believe absurdities, can convince you to commit atrocities" - Voltaire
And Truly, Mormon history IS FULL of ATROCITIES. Such as the Massacre at Mountain Meadows, and the daily suffering of so many women and girls in Polygamy. As well as the conditioning of men that becoming close to their one wife is unimportant. Due to Polygamy the close human connection is completely lost and people become mere cogs in a wheel.
@@timtruett5184Just read Kant, he already did that^^
"Mr. Harrison is a white guy, right?"
"That sounds kind of"
"DUM DUM DUM DUM DUM!!!"
😂😂😂
I like how Lucy Harris is the only one with a brain in this story.
This humor resonates with me.
This is the greatest show ever!!
Lucy smart smart smart smart😂. Very funny episode
We need more of Gary.
He's one of my fav characters
Unlike Stan he doesn't judge other people because of their religion what is his religion anyways first stand was jewish then Stan was Christian then Stan was another religion is his family this one of those with this flip-flop to whatever religion the dad wants to be that day I mean look at this dad as a dead beat worthless piece of s*** that even the devil wouldn't want
Lol said no pagan ever. Pagans reject Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. They fit with the cringe plebbit tier atheist groups.
I haven't met that many Mormon people, but those I've met were some of the nicest people ever.
Try growing up in Utah as a non-Mormon. 🙄
We spent some time at BYU Hawaii ( we're not Mormons) anyways, super friendly and some of the nicest people you will ever meet.
They are annoying and implement their religion at work. While living in Arizona, I once had a supervisor try to hold me to Mormon standards. I cannot stand Mormon people, despite their “nice” demeanor.
@@joeldavis5815Try leaving the church. Then they aren’t so nice anymore. 😂
They're very nice to outsiders in hopes you get baptized.
So happy this came across.. one of my favorite episodes... so funny lol..I love how SP kept it real!!!!
This was absolutely brilliant. The writing is inspired.
By whom???
@NuisanceMan By the writers. I'm not trying to be snide but who else would I be talking about?
The essential themes of how every religion was started.
Eh no
@@Boconnor401. Eh yes. See it goes both ways.
@@Boconnor401. As someone who does believe in God, albeit a more distant and less involved god, yes this is basically how they all (at least the Abrahamic religions) started.
I think Mormonism is one of the wackiest religions out there but Mormons are genuinely some of the nicest people I’ve met
I insulted a Mormon girl when i was a kid and she didn't go to school for 3 days till I went to her home and apologized.
Smh this is unrealistic the kid would be offended when stan swore
This episode led to my lifelong obsession with Mormonism.
Want to know more?
DING DONG
Pops back in.. "mr.harrison's a white guy right?" ... so funny and so accurate. That is must have info for a confrontation. Don't wanna be fighting a black dude.
This is hilarious. Love the song.
I live with a bunch of mormons as my neighbors. I am a atheist but they are the nicest people around. They have always invited us to their summer picnics, easter cantatas, christmas dinners. They've never pushed their church on me or pushed me into their religion. They are just very nice. I appreciate that in them.
They should be teaching you about Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. The Bible says whoever has ears let them hear. That's different than "forcing conversion". Btw it's not about converting, it's about reverting. Everyone on Earth at one point in the previous spirit life knew about Heavenly Father.
Southpark also has a mormon heaven with all dudes dressed up as mormom 18 year old mormon missionaries saying "hello brother". The Church of Scientology episode is even more hilarious..
Is there a Jehovah's Witness episode too?
@@zzludzz they don't even get an honorable mention.
@@clydehinman7810 that would be a worthwhile episode to do; I know I would watch 😂
@@zzludzz if they did it would point out how many times the jehovah witness leader has predicted the exact day the rapture will come....6 times now. 0 for 6.
"ALRIGHT EVERYONE, BACK INTO THE PILE!"
As a teenager who knew nothing but Mormonism but had never been told this, as most Mormons go to their death not knowing this, I began to see the truth.
Smart, smart, smart, smart, smart.
@@Alex-kw9kbBro😂😂😂
"Really?! That sounds kinda - 🎵🎶" 😂
The ultimate in magical thinking.
I wonder how many teachers have said this in real life lol
Thanks 🎉🎉🎉
Just as believable to as the other 5000 religions. Js lol
I was just visited by mormons.
They were polite.
Told them I already had a copy.
I do....but I haven't read it.
I had a friend in school like this. This episode is like a carbon copy of my experience with him, minus the bullying, he was really cool. Always smiling, always bright and sunny - went to his house, his parents, always smiling, always bright and sunny, his hot older sister - always smiling, always bright and sunny. So over the top, lol
I think he finally rebelled in college though, but we had lost touch by then.
Ya, happy people are the worst.
@@ryanbrown31sarcasm?
@@JohnSmith_1Of course.....
3:35 had to make sure first 😂😂😂
Now that's some good TV right there, brah…
I know a lot of smart Mormons....they must realize that the origin story is whack but they stick w it for the community
That's probably the best thing a religion can do. As long as they aren't assholes or trying to push their religion on you, being a community to help others seem like a great way to live. And if a religion they follow kinda guids them to it, then that's all fine
Smart people are not necessarily better at finding objective truth than average people, but they are better at rationalizing their biases (I heard of a study that made this conclusion). And our biases are usually based on what helps us keep or increase our status in our in-group. We developed our intelligence not mainly to find objective truths about the world, but to help us get what we need to survive and to spread our genes.
At least that is a hypothesis
They don’t tell them the true story! I know I used to be Mormon! I had no clue until I left
No, a lot of what you find including this south park episode doesn’t include the evidences that we know. For example the witnesses who all saw the Book of Mormon and felt the weight of it have all never denied the book even upto death even when they left the church and moved away they still never denied it. That’s one thing nobody has ever been able to even try to debunk and it’s why it’s never shown
@@jeron3966 Most of the so called witnesses admitted they just "saw them in the spirit" (the golden plates), though, since that they were covered the whole time. And the ones that didn't admit it had vested interest in publishing the book.
I love Mormons! 🙏
0:50 - 1:10
The new kid is literally just like me
Good old Bring 'em Young.
The first Book of Mormon had so many historical inaccuracies it had to be corrected.
And that night he saw an evil spirit, dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
O my Gosh i was born and raised in the LDS CHURCH (Mormon) 😂and this is so freaking funny
What happens if you leave the LDS church? Will the church treat you any different?
@@Kopie0830i’m mormon and my friends family left and no one cares🤣
@@lukejeppson6604 The main thing I don't like about Mormonism is it gets tithes from it's members, preaches being thrifty and all that and the church has businesses, investments while the rest of it's members struggle to make ends meat. Bunch of hypocrites leaders. Most of the members of the LDS that I've met are good people though. Good people within a cult.
@@Kopie0830 no one cares really unless u were really special like a super vip thing i have friends who are mormon they message me before saying how i have been and that years ago and now since there married idk they never message me anymore or maybe if i am the one who message first and if u left any mobile number to them
They call you cause youre un contacted member
@@sydrenjoshuatoledo9630 Oohhh...
It's the song for me 🎶 dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb 🎶 I mean, that's how I am taking it🤣🤣🤣🤣
3:33 brilliant!
A fun fact when Moroni visited him in his bedroom, Joseph Smith shared a bed with all of his other brothers
I did not know about this Joseph Smith guy but I do know of his relative, Doctor Zachary Smith.
When I served my Mormon mission, I had some guys yell out while I was on the street, “Joseph Smith was a prophet.” And I replied, “Dum dum dum dum dum.” They stared at me for a second before I started laughing. We had a good conversation and it taught me something, that it is better to never take yourself too seriously even with something that you consider sacred. If believe something than believe it, and if you are gonna share it because it helped you, be ready to laugh or be laughed at. In a way, it’s kinda like turning the other cheek
“Hi my name is Ura!”
You can't argue with success.
"Maybe he won’t fight"
"Will he bleed? That’s all we care about"
Jesus
“ Are faces are painted “
Morms will deny all of this, but this is actually exactly how it happened
"Cha imma go kick his ass"
So true ❤
The ending was perfect. Stan was in fact the idiot in this situation. I mean he was right about their believes being completely off base but refusing to be his friend because of his religious believes is stupid and childish. Cartman making the realization that Gary was actually a cool kid caught me completely off guard
Nope. Gary, his family and his religion are the dumb ones in this scenario.
Having religious beliefs is stupid, but not childish. Children have more sense than that.
Remember this: It is NEVER okay to be religious.
Yeah, but he went over to his house and every night all they did was talk about Joseph Smith. So stan did kind of a point. If I was to invite a friend over, I wouldn’t be talking about religion.
They’re beliefs, not believes. It’s the noun. Believes is the verb.
Sure wish they had the balls to do one about Islam.
200 & 201 only had a passing reference to Muhammad and a cartoon depiction ... and the Muslims went nuts and threatened Parker and Stone that they risked violent retribution. Hard to find a copy today without Muhammad blanked out.
It’s funny to me how close but far they got on a lot of the points of this religion.
I will stand witness to the fact that others too have seen the golden plates as those described by Joseph Smith.
🧢
"Really? That sounds very... (dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)
Dum dum dum dum dum b 😂😂😂
0:25 One of my favorite Mr. Garrison moment!
Gary is so sweet.
Jesus !!! 😂I recently converted from Orthodox Judaism to the lds church ( Mormon Church). They are extremely nice and accepting kinda strange but I like it just got baptized 🎉 say what you want I’m happy
dum-dum-dum-dum-dum! lol
Alas poor Yoric....
The osmond teeth.
0:35 batman v superman reference lol
I don't think that Mormon faith origins was so stupid...right?
It's bang on!
It’s surprisingly accurate.
Yes and no
Every religion's origins are stupid because every religion is used to control the stupid.
Mormons have had the correct interpretation of the Bible all along. The BoM isn't a replacement it's just another testament of JC.
6:55 I love jenny and Gary together
What. The. Fuckin. Fuck??!??!😂😂😂😂
I don't remember doing any of this.
Hilarious 😂😃😄 I live in Salt Lake City now.... they are very weird... they're brainwashed from childhood... BUT, they are nice neighbors lol😂😂
LOL 😂
I'm black married to a white morman..... she was singing the Dum Dum Dum Dum Dum song when i met her...
every CZcams comment section about mormons is a warzone
Watching this as a believing Mormon is a pretty interesting experience. The guys at South Park did pick stories that pretty much every Mormon hears over and over again. They got most of the facts pretty accurately (the only major thing they got wrong is that Joseph Smith didn't show the plates to anyone else. He did show the plates to 11 official witnesses and several other unofficial witnesses). However, it's interesting to hear it told from such a different tone and perspective than the million times I've heard the exact stories at church.
Well.. They saw it with their spiritual eyes. They didn't see it with their physical eyes.
@yourquirk656 Only if you base your understanding off a bunch of cherry-picked 2nd and 3rd hand accounts while ignoring a huge portion of the 1st hand accounts (especially where the witnesses clarify what they meant by 'spiritual eyes')
"In regards to my testimony to the visitation of the angel who declared to us their witness that the Book of Mormon is true, I have this to say: Of course we were in the spirit when we have the view, for no man can behold the face of an angel except in a spiritual view, but we were in the body also, and everything was as natural to us as it is at any time. Martin Harris, you say, called it 'being in vision.' We read in the Scriptures, Cornelius saw, in a vision, an angel of God. Daniel saw an angel in a vision; also in other places it states they saw an angel in the spirit. A bright light enveloped us where we were, that filled at noon day, and there in a vision, or in the spirit, we saw and heard just as it is stated in my testimony in the Book of Mormon."-David Whitmer
"I handled those plates; there were fine engravings on both sides I handled them. "-David Whitmer
""Gentlemen, do you see that hand? Are you sure you see it? Are your eyes playing a trick or something? No. Well, as sure as you see my hand so sure did I see the angel and the plates"-Martin Harris
“Ye are My witnesses,” saith the Lord, “and My servant whom I have chosen, that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me." - Isaiah 43:10
Why would God say He would destroy Smith's wife if she had a problem with him sleeping with other women? God condemned polygamy throughout the OT and NT.
There are many Bible verses about God's unchanging nature and yet in Smith's King Follet sermon he says God was once a man like you or I and was exalted and became God.
RANDY!!!
Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb
La ilaha illallah
I've met some Mormons some good some not nice.
Very nice people Mormons, but thought controlled!
1:14 5:55
One of the best episodes. So what if your religious beliefs are doubtful, if they make you try your best for your fellow man and family. Wise and very funny at the same time.
Being religious is NEVER acceptable, no matter the reason.
Dum dum dum = mormom
😂
Simple minds do love to be scammed by the most cynical opportunists.
lol
Haha 😊
Lucy Harris smart, smart, smart, Martin Harris dumb🤣🤣😭😭
@JackSonOfJohn First of all, the book of Mormon says that the native Americans were white skinned Jews from Jerusalem in 600bc, that would be impossible to travel across the Atlantic in that year with the boats and sailing technology at the time.
Second Joseph Smith couldn't show anyone the golden tablets before he translated them into English, the second time he translated them it said similar things but slightly different because "God was angry" no offense to you but doesn't that make it really seem like he made it up. He used God as an excuse to marry multiple other peoples wives saying God said they need to marry Joseph Smith which is immoral to marry another mans wife.
Lol people easily could have traveled to American lands back then
@@cryptochris9001 The technology to traverse such a fierce ocean wasn't until the caraval in the 1400s or 1500s, not in the bc in what would probably be some small little boat
@@ArrowheadMapping6767 theres other ways than to travel across water, and how do you know if they did cross water it was an entire ocean? It's not impossible that's my point. The exact way they got there isn't most important.
@cryptochris9001 Because according to Mormon belief they got across in a boat even though there wouldn't have been the boat technology for such a journey