Apple's FineWoven Controversy EXPLAINED!
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I barely got my FineWoven case out of the box before I hated it. The texture was so uncomfortable to me. Like a windbreaker or something. The way it feels on my fingers is the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for sensory people. Or like touching microfiber. 🤢🥴
With that being said, I returned it and got a nice case from another company for half the price. 😂
I know exactly what you are talking about and I have the same feeling when I touch microfiber. I thought I was the only one! Lol
This will be the first time I don’t have an Apple case or mag safe wallet on my new iPhone. I have found alternatives at half the price. I wonder if Apple will change there mind when the profits drop
I cringed also when I touched it and felt uncomfortable for an hour
So you didn't try it out at the store
You are a FineWoman😂
The funniest part to me is artificial materials tend to be worse for the environment than any leather product. Going 'green' has basically just become the next break through marketing like bottled tap water with an increase in microplastics that you can drink on the go. All the appearance of going green but actually going further away from it.
Yet, and these people keep falling for it. It’s all about money, and I bet it’s much cheaper to produce the new “Eco Friendly” cases than the leather ones. If Apple put their symbol on poo, people would pay a lot for it.
That’s not funny it’s sad and true. Wokeness usually does lead to poor alternatives
These fine woven cases make me think of the alcantara keyboards the Surface had a while back. They’re just going to absorb finger oils and not in an interesting leather patina style, but in a “this looks gross” style
I thought of Surface 'cloth' look when I first saw the Fine Woven case. Yeah, I'll skip this one. Though I've never bought an Apple-branded case before, so.... Nothing to see here for me, actually......
The Surface alcantara keyboards have a rubber coating on them. Your hands never touch the bare alcantara. Apple should have put some kind of coating on these to not only protect them but make them water resistant too.
@@undisputedn00bThe sides of the case are apparently made from coated FineWoven fabric…
Yeah I’ve seen finger oils turn fine woven blackish
I returned mine. It just scratches so easily and truthfully, it kind of feels like cheap plastic. I’ve always had a leather case from Apple and I’m really disappointed, but I wanted to give it a fair chance. I’m going third-party from now on.
Why are you putting your 1000+ phone in a place that it could scratch so easily to begin with 🤔
@@PromotingTheBeat A case is there to protect the item it covers... What are you even talking about? Also, the FineWoven case scratches much easier than the iPhone itself.
@@PromotingTheBeatI think you need to go back to English school, comprehension grade F, cockiness grade A*
@@imhaydenmelrose Right, and it does... but to expect a "fabric case" that is hard, to not scratch, but also protect is ridiculous.
@@PromotingTheBeat That’s the point. Apple chose materials for a “premium” phone case, that are not premium. They also still charge a premium price for them. So, of course they are expected to be more durable. They are simply worse than the cases they’re replacing. Obviously people are going to complain. It’s not rocket science.
Apple knew they had a problem with this case, in my opinion. I read that they didn't even have them displayed at the iPhone event! You had to ask to see them. And there are photos going around showing that the Apple Store Staff have to actually switch the floor samples out for new ones since they get dirty and yucky so quick! YIKES!!! They may need to come down with the price on these cases. I see a LOT of vendors putting these on sale just to try and get them out the door!
Yeah I’d buy one for cheap given the opportunity as I like the look and feel enough to give it a try not expecting it to last long
@@adamthurmond9092 I like the look as well, though I will miss the leather cases. 👍🏾🙌🏾
so they are starting to produce more waste, at least in the stores. Way to go, to save the environment.
@@PvtAnonymous In the end, you may well be correct! I mean, the cases LOOK very nice! But I do fear that they will turn out to be not very durable, and will not develop a patina similar to how the leather cases do. And don't forget these cases are leather case prices which means you will get less for your money! I think they should be at least $10 less than the price they are now.
@@Juraiprince ya you’ll get less animal cruelty and less of a carbon footprint. Awesome! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
It'll be fine if Apple willing to reduce the price. If it's sold not in the price of leather case, we all can still accept.
Had the fine-woven case in my hand today, it was terrible. Wasn't a silicone fan before, but that felt so much better so I may get that instead.
Silicon sucks. I haven’t had one issue with any of my fine woven cases
I've had mine for 6 days. I have done zero babying of it and toss it on rough, uneven surfaces with edges etc. It has show zero wear until today. Today I found a tiny black stain on the edge of the back surface (my case is taupe colored) but I was able to get 95% of it out with just water and a paper towel... the only weird thing is when I touched the wet paper towel to the fine woven case the case soaked up the water incredibly fast (darkening until it later dries) and spreading WAY beyond the area I touched... it looked like the case was a paper towel you put on a water spill in your kitchen! Anyway... so far the case has done better than I expected, and I like the look and feel... but I still feel it is inevitable to get a stain or mark that won't come out and won't look nearly as nice as a patina in leather. I still think this was a mistake for Apple but I do think its a bit more tough than people claim.
I actually prefer the fine woven over my orange leather
It’s not about the customer, it’s about ESG scores for Apple.
Hey! Definitely do a video on case makers that use leather. That would be interesting to see which is the best leather case out there for an iPhone 15
Second this. I’ve seen a few floating around but haven’t make the 60/70$ jump on hopes it feels good in the hand
So, I got this case and so far I love it, at first I was worried about the scratching, but after having it in my pocket for a while any scratches I purposefully made are gone. It seems like itll wear to the point it looks really nice over time!
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I mistakenly ordered a non MagSafe compatible case from Amazon, and I didn't want to wait for them to ship another one. So, I went to the apple store and got the FineWoven case. In my experience the Apple silicone case does not hold up more than a year and I won't spend $50 on it and I don't like clear cases. I must say I do like the feel of the back & edges and it does look nice. However, it should be priced at $40 and the silicone & clear cases should be no more than $30. But of course, we have to pay the Apple tax, so they can virtue signal about saving the planet.
Chris, thanks for starting this discussion. If you could please create a video comparing alternative leather cases, that would be awesome 👍
I just got the Andar Aspen in Technically Red on my 15 Pro Max and it not only looks awesome, I can tell the leather’s going to hold up great. The design is a great replacement for Apple’s leather cases.
@@adamthurmond9092except they forgot about the action button, there is a hole instead.
I sent mine back. I've had Apple cases for years - loved the leather cases. Now, I'm using a 3rd party case this year. The woven case is not my cup of tea.
Chris, Solid video as always!! I have had a chance to get my hands on the new FineWoven case and was unimpressed. I’ve spent the past two years with the Apple Leather Case and Wallet and absolutely love them. They have been protective while giving the Premium look and feel. I’d love for you to make a comparison video that you mentioned in your video because I have 3 weeks to make up my mind on my next case before my new 15 Plus arrives. Cheers, John
Why would you market a fabric as replacement for leather? Artificial leather is a thing. For one, you can wipe down leather and artificial leather. You can’t give FineWoven a proper cleaning like you can with leather and artificial leather.
artificial leather uses plastic that generates a lot of heat in manufacturing and is not degradable but i get your point
@@adityalindsonlots of environmentally friendly options for vegan leather.
I really like mine as well. I’ve had all kinds of leather. I currently have a Cartier wallet, among others. The green fine woven has a premium look to it as well. I accidentally got sauce on it and I was able to quickly clean it without leaving any marks either.
As much as I love the move to being more sustainable, I’m bummed they’re discontinuing leather. I would love to see a comparison of your top leather cases. I’ve had leather cases for years and I’m not sure who to go with now.
Incredible that people could think that replacing a natural renewable material with polyester makes something *more* sustainable lol
I wanted to buy a Magsafe Wallet for my iPhone 13 mini and the blue FineWoven one was actually nice...as soon as I heard of the "problems" this material has (scratches are really bad aesthetically) I immediately went and bought a leather one...Apple has discontinued the product and you can't buy from them anymore but some retailers still has them..I was lucky to grab one of the few sequoia green leather wallets remaining. When in 3/4 years from now I will change my 13 mini for another iPhone I'm going with Bellroy, Blackbrooks or Bullstrap cases.
Hey Chris, nice seeing you again! Interesting video for sure, agreed on your thought to leave the leather as an option, and there it goes..
Im just angry they got rid of leather for totally non sensical reasons. Also if that was the true problem, there have been huge advancements in synthetic vegan leather, they could totally have replaced their leather accessories with their take on it.
The problem with vegan leather is thats is basically just plastic. Which just adds to the problem.
@@DrPrepZillaYou‘re right, but there are very interesting alternatives by now, which Apple could’ve opted for.
One example is the MacBook Pro sleeve by „von Holzhausen“, which is made from recycled plant fibres.
@@DrPrepZilla Why though? they still sell their silicone and clear cases. plastic is easily recyclable or made with recyclable. lust like leather is a byproduct of the food industry.
@@ExBenzi2 There's also Mirum, which is used in number of Bellroy products. BMW is said to be offering it as an upholstery option in their vehicles this year as well.
There is actually a product "apple-leather" made from apples(I think they use the fibres). It feels really nice and leathery-like. I cant get my head around why apple wouldn't use that...
The most important problem that i see is that the case will become dirty easily but it will not break aqs easy as people think because the material are of good quality. There is videos showing the strenght of this fabric.
I don’t know I love this case. I’d rather have the leather for sure, but I love the way the back feels and the sides feel great in hand too. Now talk to be in a month if it’s all marked up, but my leather cases were too so
I got the black FineWoven wallet for my 14 Pro and like it a lot! The texture is cool to me, but I shouldn’t have to be careful with a $59 so that it doesn’t get scratched.
Mine scratched literally as I took it out the box and it’s already dirty, I kid you not I’ve had it for less than a week and its already darkening on the edges. I love the wallet but I’m pretty mad I spent 65 dollars and it’s not holding up 1 week!!!
@@dchr1s mine’s still holding up well!
Let’s protest Apple to bring back leather
If it scratches it’s not the case, it’s your eyes! 😂😂😂
I suppose we now need clear vinyl covers for our FineWoven iPhone upholstery? 😏
I know it's a bit late, but I've just upraged to iPhone 13 Pro and learning about MagSafe accessories and such.
I love the buttons so much, but I worry about longevity. I mean, for example, I inspect my hands each time I touch my phone because I am scared to stain my new case and wallet. I also attached an accessory with strong magnets and it left marks of the magnet ring. It does not bother me that much, because the wallet will always be attached to the phone. Time will tell if it lasts. My iPhone 12 had the leather case for 3 years !
3 years is a very short period for a leather product though.
Please make a video comparing those Top 4 leather options you listed! 🙏
which case are ya'll getting instead? I always rocked the leather one, ordered the finewoven one but returned it right away, currently on the clear case by apple...
The Finewoven case is what convinced me to update my MagSafe wallet to a premium leather wallet instead.
Got my first Apple leather case last year and loved it. Guess DBrand’s gonna take my money this year
I never used cases generally, last one I used was the leather one for the X and stopped because, i like to have a natural feel to the phone.
Got the 15 pro now and got the blue case ( because the 15's felt a lot more likely to slip from my hand than the X did ) with the Titanium natural one.
I like the case, it does make a mark when putting it on the MagSafe ( for example ) but you rub it and it goes away.
I don't know how people are already scratching it up so fast, why are you putting it in places that could scratch up anything so quickly in the first place?
Its total trash and the fabric is like a 70's thrift store fabric. $60 is robbery, I sent it back on day one it was so bad.
I bought the Pacific Blue Fine Woven case and overall, I like the look and feel. However, I will be returning it due to the price not being right.
They definitely don’t look as expensive as they are. They look like cheap cases of Amazon imo.
I ordered one and returned it immediately before I even received the phone and before all the negative press started. It just felt cheap to me.
I prefer a leather case and would love to hear your review of how Nomad, Andar, and others stack up.
I tried the fine woven case and returned it the next week. The Apple Store employee didn’t even question me or provide push back, they knew right away that case was trash. I’m now waiting on the updated Andar leather case. I also tried Mujjo’s leather case, but the back edges are way too sharp to hold in my hand comfortably.
I can't say the scratches that happen soon after using leather is particularly appealing either, whether or not people try to convince me it's "part of the patina".
The issue with the fine woven i am having is no usb c 3 cable that i have fits in the hole.
Please do the 3rd-party leather case comparison review ASAP! I'm returning my FineWoven case, I agree with all of your conclusions.
I don’t know but I have the Blue WovenCase and so far I like the texture at the back when I’m holding the phone. Just feels good in my fingers but the only thing I don’t like is it’s a little dust magnet but can easily swipe off but still.
I think they look good but I haven't seen any in person. I'm thrilled with my iPhone 12 mini, its leather case and wallet. I'll be keeping them.
Good for you
They would have simply used man made leather/ leatherette or even plant based leather like some fashion companies do, taking away leather accessories completely wasn’t a good move…
2030 agenda…
Getting rid of leather is a good move but surely they could have made something better than Finewoven? I went to the Apple Store day of iPhone 15 launch and some of the finewoven cases were already scratched
Although I love the feel in my hand making my phone feel a bit cushiony and soft on the back; I showed my mother my new iPhone and her nails scratched it up so easily! I have three lines just from her using 3 fingers to feel the back.
I actually would have never considered a leather case until they removed them, now i‘m getting 3
Q, is there a eco friendly alternative other than what apple is offering?
I was thinking about getting the leather Andar Espen or Mujjo case. I went with the Mujjo because it had the actual action button with metal button. The Andar Espen has a cutout which is a huge dealbreaker for me.
I would love to see you do a comparison video on the 4 leather cases you mentioned.
I’m hearing they’re correcting the cutout with a button in an upcoming re-release
@@adamthurmond9092 did they say anything about the release date or timeframe?
Yes, please do a comparison video of leather cases. Thank you
That green!! I think it looks nice. I’m intrigued to maybe wax it, with beeswax
It doesn’t feel anywhere near as premium as the old leather cases but if it was half - 3/4 the price of leather I think I’d be satisfied. I have the green one. On the phone it does feel nice and soft, it slides in and out of my pocket nicely. I’m not sure how long it will hold up compared to my 12 pro max’s leather case that lasted almost 3 years. I am worried about staining. At some point I probably will switch to a third party leather case but I don’t think the fine woven is bad either.
TBH I don't really get concerned about my finewoven case getting stains and whatnot because I bought the black case and it hides that stuff really well. I'm more concerned about the side bumper of the case, which appear to be more like some manner of textured plastic. Good grip, seems sturdy, but the seam between the back fabric and bumpers seems like a weak point which might attract dirt and dust and might even tear apart if caught on something. I wouldn't have a problem if it were a 49USD case, but this is the premium case level and it feels kind of cheap.
What sucks is that I was going to buy a new apple leather wallet a month ago not realizing Apple was going to remove them from the store altogether. Can’t even get them on Amazon or Target either anymore. 🤬.
wish they made something in the line of the Peak Design fabric material. I bought the green fine woven case and it's nice to the touch but it will deff not last long if I put something in my pocket with it. and even when leather scratch, it looks more like battle scars, like a pair of AJ1 Sneakers, it adds character to the case. it doesn't scratch in the same way.
I really appreciate this take. Thanks!
Would love to see the nomad and mujjo leather cases compared
It is going to attract skin oil and dirt like a magnet. All fabric does this in a case. See the soft backing of iPad covers after 6 months being used as a stand.
I’m returning my fine woven case. I’m fine to ditch leather. It feels nice in the hand, but I worry about durability and stains. For what I’m paying it better last. This isn’t that product. I’ll be switching to a third party leather case. Sorry Mother Nature.
please do a video on the different leather cases :)
I love the feel of my new FineWoven case. Not sure how it will hold up aesthetically-but it feels good now - it’s new….I am also glad I have the leather wallet for my phone!
I like it too. I can’t understand the controversy. That said, I did get it in the apple store and the first one I got didn’t line up with the power button. I swapped it out and the new one works great. Feels solid, looks nice, and it feels solid in my hand.
Vegan Leather is an option a lot of car companies are replacing real leather with in their vehicles for all leather covered surface in the car interior. Why Apple did not think of that as a material for their what is called "premium" products!
I love real leather but I would’ve considered vegan leather if Apple did it. I just don’t understand why go with a non-premium FineWoven material..
I now bought the Mujjo full leather case and I love it 😍
Can not agree more.
@@BenitoMilan
Vegan leather is plastic. Even plant based is mostly plastic, so its carbon footprint probably isn’t small enough for apple to be able to meet its carbon neutral goals.
For me, leather is a byproduct, most animals aren’t killed just for the skin. Until meat falls out of fashion we should use as much of the animal as we can. Veg tanned leather lasts a long time and can break down where a plastic case is going to sit in a landfill for who knows how long.
I like the design and feeling of it, the only thing I hate about it is that it scratches easily
I would love to see a video comparing some 3rd party leather cases.
All of this makes me appreciate my ink leather case for my 14 pm even more.
I went with a third party silicone and leather case this year (Decoded). I have their silicone case for my 14 Pro and the quality was better than Apple's silicone and the price was like half of what Apple charges
Leather case 13P here, screw is visible, never noticed until now, thanks! 😜
Huge Apple leather case fan. I grabbed a Apple silicone case as a temporary solution for my 15 PM til I find a 3rd party that makes a good quality leather case
How did the wallet hold on to the back of the phone when shaken?
I love how the leather used to peel off
Andar and Bullstrap u should have on list as well👍🏻
Went to pick up a case for my Iphone15pro, and even the apple team members was criticizing the Finewoven case. The cases on the wall were full of fingernail scratches. Bought a leather case from a third party instead.
I got the FineWoven case for the 15 Plus and I’ve been using it for over a week now and it’s good. It’s not leather but it’s what’s there so I figured what the hell try it out and see.
Please compare the leather alternatives!
I really enjoy the feel of it
I love my fine woven case. Feels lovely to me
What's the point of Apple making a big deal of the titanium design if than sell cases for it (leather or not)?
In my country, Amazon reviews on FineWoven cases have a score of 2.3. That is abysmal compared to the 4.5 of leather case. Unacceptable quality.
It scratches almost as easily as those iPods that used to have reflective backplates. They would scratch even in a case!
I still don’t know why apple went with fine woven instead of vegan leather, there’s soooo many options to choose from
I was wondering this too.
I have the leather wallet and love it! Won’t be switching!
yessss leather case comparison!
Why’s it still $99? And the sides are plastic. I returned mine the same day it came in. I don’t like how it felt.
Also wish I knew this was happening because the leather links were the only watch bands I used which is hard to find a dupe. The leather phone case is easy to find alternatives for.
The look and feel is great. I just don’t like how slippery it is. I always feel like I have to be extra cautious just holding my phone when a case should mitigate that concern. If they made the edge of the case out of a more rubbery texture it would be better.
thats cool now we will spend more just to keep the product in top condition. thanks apple really appreciate all the innovation and thoughts put into it.
Nice vid. Thank you
Articulated perfectly. Great video. Subscribed.
I usually don't have a case on my iPhone and don't plan to get one with my new iPhone anyway.
But I do get the Magsafe wallet and always love it!
I did get the new FineWoven one for my new iPhone. TBH, I like it almost better than the leather one because it seems to be less stiff to put 3 cards in it!
The look and feel are fine and yeah, it will get marks etc... but I think for the wallet, the FineWoven is fine...
On the other hand, the case... not for me!
How much cheaper was it to make these is the real question?
I have been enjoying mine. I was skeptical, but I am happy with it.
This case looks nice to me. I like the look of this finewoven fabric on a case. That being said I never used that kind of case. Fabrics are the most difficult to keep clean. I used Apple's leather cases and for the last 2 years I used their silicone cases. I like the satin feel of their silicone and the fact that it has alcantara like insides. Silicone is the easiest to keep clean and new-like for the long time. It's also cheaper than leather but that was never a factor for me when I was buying cases. I agree that Apple should leave the leather cases in their stores and add finewoven as a choice. People need a choice. It's not like Apple is the only one company making cases but again it's nice to be supplied the type of cases you prefer from the same company as your device comes from. I really do think their cases quality it great.
A *CASE* HAS CONTROVERSY? The Apple community is doomed.
I was told to watch this video. Now that I did, I realize how bored people really are.
Huh
Good joke,
It’s not about the case, it’s about leather industry.
Thanks Morbo. Hahaha
yup. I just got an iPhone 15 pro with the dark green fine woven case. I don't have much disputes about it. It feels nice to hold, its attractive and I like to color but something else occurred to me today that i haven't seen/heard mentioned yet. That is, fine woven is like a cloth material and in time it can get absolutely filthy. Imagine how susceptible it is to picking up germs. You're handling your phone out in the world all the time and unlike the other plastic or synthetic cases its much more difficult to clean. It's like wearing the same shirt for... however long you have your phone case (months - years?). The thought about it's future hygiene really grosses me out and am now kind of regretting buying it.
Apple states you can clean it with soapy water. But of course that takes more effort than wiping a normal case.
@@rp3210 ahh im looking forward to giving it a try then. We'll see if it changes its look after its cleaned with soapy water 🫧
Presumably you buy a case to protect your iPhone, pays to keep that in mind, it will get beaten up and scratched, that way your iPhone doesn’t. That was reason I bought one
After many years with an older iPhone with the Apple leather case, I was so excited to pick up my new iPhone 15 Pro max. I immediately went to get a new apple case and was so disappointed to see they're not using leather. I did buy the fine woven case and I've been complaining about it to my wife for the past 2 days lol. I'll be getting a real leather case soon.
I am okay with the FineWoven case on my iPad 15 Pro Max. I got three colors - green, blue and black. I love it. It sure hasn't made me feel like I'm using a case made from a microfiber material.
yikes
I bought it today feels pretty good 😄
On a side note I’ve been using genuine Apple leather cases since my iPhone 7Plus. I have a iPhone 15 Pro Max on order and I ordered an Apple silicon case that I’ve not used since my iPhone 5s.
The Apple online Store description of this case actually says it’s gonna „show marks and signs of use over time“ and say „if you don’t prefer that - stick with the silicone case“ - so I wouldn’t say they consider this a „problem“ rather than a „feature“, you don’t have to like it, but it’s definitely 100% not a mistake from Apple how it’s designed.
I have a fine Woven case and wallet and no issues