A 10 gallon tank is fine for mice? | Unpopular mouse opinions
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Not mice related but one of my rats had passed away last year and I didnât notice it in time, and the other rats did âclean upâ his body and then bury the bones in their substrate. It was quite traumatic for me to find but I understand why they would do this. One of the rats was his brother but heâs the sweetest rat ever and was very sad for a while after he died. Rest In Peace Butterbeanđâ€ïž
god damn... I found my roborovski in his nest a couple hours later and that was traumatic enough ! Can't even imagine that ...
That's almost kind of sweet like they performed a burrying ritual if you look at it another way, I get though that it must be shocking to find.
my mice never ate eachother, I've kept a medium sized group of females for about 3 years now, anytime one passed they would sit by the body and just rest for a while. I let them grieve and then once they were done and doing their own things I take the deceased one and bury her. When my favorite died, the first "leader", all the other ones got extremely depressed for a little while. It's crazy to see the amount of empathy these little creatures have.
Iâm just going to say this it probably wonât happen but if you still have millipedes I would love to see more videos of them in care or anything I recently bought 7, three of them are giant gold millipedes 2 are ivoryâs and the other two are oak millipedes and Iâm thinking of getting bumbles and others.
Oh man I second this request!!!
me too, i'd be really interested in seeing that :)
I don't think I'll ever understand how 10 gallons is seemingly appropriate for mice. 10 gallons is considered small for fish, never mind an intelligent, interactive, social species like a mouse. The footprint of a ten gallon is hardly larger than a shoe box...
Seriously, I think the only thing I've seen 10 gallons being acceptable for are tiny fish, tiny insects, and terrestrial tarantulas who just burrow into a hole and don't move unless food comes around.
Excactly, when i was looking for a cage, it was not going very well, so i've decided to somehow connect 2, 16 gallons, i bought 1 first and tried setting it up, realizing it's so hard to put enough toys, ended up buying a 100x 40x40cm terrarium, thinking about upgrading to a detolf soon xoxo P.S. that 16 gallon is now a community tank, including a Betta
How people can think that it's enough for a social mammal I don't get.
Thoughts on a 10 gallon for a betta and snail? Mine seem really happy and healthy, and there's plenty of room for plants and decor.
I personally think that if you make a custom tank topper or buy a mouse safe one a 10 gallon can work for a lone male, my lone male is in a 20 gallon long though. Mice are semi-arboreal and climb more so tank toppers work for them while they do not work so well all the time for hamsters.
Never in my young life did I think I'd own a mouse, and in my adult life, I have my fancy mouse. They are social, loving, smart pets. I recently took mine to the vet because he got sick. And my heart broke in half. The smallest pets can bring the biggest joys and the greatest losses.
Yes, they do. If you only have one Iâd recommend getting more since they are super social just like rats. They need and want a companion.
Absolutely. I lost my rats during Christmas. Donât the littlest things mean so much?
@@deletedOM Definitely.
@@Jodiescox I havenât owned any yet, but I will in January. Iâve never lost a pet out of my 5, and I canât imagine it but I know my 13 yo dog Dixie will go soon, she has tumors all over her, greys, half-blind, Half-deaf, and when she gets excited acts like a puppy. She still runs up to the door across the yard and lived longer than we expected though. Losing the rats would be hard since they are so tiny and live so short, it would feel like yesterday you brought them home and they are hiding away in their cage.
@@deletedOM yes. My dog (boxer) just passed away. Just like yours, almost falling apart. The vets said that He wasnât going to live to seven years old. He also had pancreatitis at 12 weeks old and has been on steroids since. Sounds like a lovely dog.
My first mouse that has passed got partly eaten by the other mice of her group because we weren't home all day the day she passed. It was really scary to find her like that, but I knew it could happen beforehand and kinda came to terms accepting it as their way of grieving and dealing with a dead cagemate.
Also I absolutely agree with 10 gallons not being enough. I see this topic a lot in the mouse owner subreddit and it just makes me shake my head, 10 gallon is such an incredibly small space. I also think that 8 inch wheels, that are oftentimes recommended as minimum size, are too small for mice and that they should have 11-12 inch wheels
3:40 that little mouse with the stripe on their face reminds me so much of my rat Ace!! she looks almost exactly like the mouse shown and always looks at me exactly like that, her ears perked up peeking out of her hide and sniffing the air
lmao Fleet (I think it was Fleet?) with that 10gal setup: "Wtaf is this?!"
âMother save me from this atrocityâ
â@@Emiology "And? You expect me to do what with this? Oh thank god, it was just a joke." Meadow poking her head out of that burrow toooooo.
That dress is really pretty on you! Also, I was wondering since I have a cat, (Iâm getting rats in January) should I clean my cage and then the litter box or the other way around? Does it matter? I will wash my hands in between either way since rats donât like the smell of cats Iâve heard. I just want to make them both feel safe.
If you wash your hands in between it doesnât matter, theyâll be able to smell the general cat smell in the house regardless âșïž
Okay, thanks! I do have a whole room for them being set up with boxes and toys rn. Rats just have such short lifespans, I want them to feel safe and comfortable. Thanks for the advice!
Wow, I loved the demonstration of the 10-gallon. Sometimes I think it's hard for people who want to own small pets to visualize just how cramped a space becomes when they're in the planning stage. It was a real eye-opener!
Iâm from Australia and neutering make mice is pretty difficult here and not many vets will do it even if they are exotic vets, and the rescues we have also generally wonât :(
Iâd love to have a neutered male with my females one day but itâs just not at all accessible at the moment!
The IMAGE of JUST ONE ANIMAL in SUCH A HORRIBLY SMALL AREA REALLY MAKES THE POINT!... WE CAN SEE THAT IT'S SO UNFAIR AND WRONG!!!!
Me and mochi my mouse are watching this lovely video as her last days come to pass. Sheâs almost 4 and is a sweet heart. Thank you for the info to give her a wonderful life.
I really want a larger tank, but my dad won't let me go over 10 gallons. I want at least 15 gallons (3 mice) and he told me because of the way our town carelessly ships stuff it'd end up coming broken. Right now they're in a cage, but there are large gaps that they can escape from, and in my opinion a tank is easier to clean.
10gal?! My mice have an 80gal tank and they take advantage of every inch of it. They love exploring, burrowing and moving bedding around. They are also the most loving and sensitive little creatures. đâ€ïž
As someone whoâs had 2 male mice (separately, one after the other) in a 20 gallon long tank, I think thatâs an okay minimum but if I could I would actually want to get an even bigger one! They run around so much and having a lot of items for them to climb around on so theyâre properly stimulated takes up space. The tank size isnât about the size of the animal when it comes to mice, itâs about creating a rich enough environment!
I think that last part is something a lot of people donât understand! People would probably be better pet owners if they understood WHY minimum requirements exist.
I am so excited because I am getting two female fancy mice soon!! I am binge-watching all of your mice videos to prepaređ
Good luck!
@@deletedOM Thank you!
1: Dealing with rat / mice allergies
2: Understanding rat body language
3: Should you get a male or female rat?
4: Next time you decide to get another rat show your process in getting them (looking at them on breeders websites/social medias, picking them up and getting ready to add the rat to the group etc.,)
Just some ideas
I'm with you 100% on the male mice alone. In my situation, I hand reared four field mice. Only one made it. He's about 10 weeks old now and he weighs NOTHING. He physically couldn't be put under anaesthetic and he's that small I don't think a surgeon could physically do the surgery - his organs must be miniscule. Obviously it's a vastly different situation to going out of my way to get fancy mice, these guys just landed on me but I've had people say if he has to be alone if he's with me then he should be released... except he can't be released as he has zero wild instincts, has relied on me for food and doesn't know what he is safe to eat in the wild. He also needs company. With me, he at least gets human attention - in the wild, he could be ostracised from other colonies and if he seeks humans, could be killed. I definitely feel like mice handle being alone much better to rats. Even when there was four babies, they often did their own thing and only snuggled for sleep to keep warm (they didn't have bedding at first due to size but now he has super cosy stuff to snuggle in to)
Loved the video. All your videos really helped me when I started researching mice and I'm so happy that I know how to take good care of them and give them a happy life thanks to you!
10 gal tank isnt even big enough for one hermit crab, let alone a mouse or multiple mice.
6:26 timestamp I actually bred this out of most of my mice, couldnât tell you how I did it but I preferred it that way for sure
I keep my mice in a 100 gallon tank with about 1440 sq inches of floor space(I have 9 girls recently added to because I have 2 getting ready to pass), My first cage was a 450sq inch bin for two mice, I bought it with them, it was well enriched and everything, people told me it was to big but the day after I set it up I realized that something was wrong with my rescue mouse, she was insanely stressed so we immediately moved to a 600sq inch cage everything calmed down for a bit until I got another mouse because I knew I needed 3, once introductions were over her stress behaviors started again and even worse so I bought a 500sq inch add on and ended up adding 2 mice from a breeder, she didn't have stress issues as bad but that was mainly due to the insane amount of free roam we had just for her because her cage was never large enough even though people kept saying it was "to big" then two free mice popped up on Facebook in very bad conditions and I couldn't leave them so I ended up buying a 100 gallon tank while the two new girls were in a quarantine period (which went smoothly, intros were fine as well, but they both passed at 4months and 6 months respectively because of bad past care).
The 100 gallon is the first time in her life I've seen her without stress behaviors, I believe her extreme stress behaviors and aggression issues(to cage mates and myself) in smaller cages are most likely a phycological disorder from bad care and a small cage, a CritterTrail, that's pretty much the size of a 10 gallon, before I got her I thought it was okay to keep a mouse in a 10 gallon and I'm very glad that she's helped me grow out of that.
Sorry for the wall of text and bad grammar, just wanted to share my experience on what small cages cause.
What are the signs of a mouse getting ready to pass away?
Hey! Sorry to ask the obvious question but would you mind sharing the measurements of your 100 gallon tank in cm? Iâm getting confused with inch and gallon (Iâm from Germany and we have liters and cm) and never been good at maths đ
Glad that your mice are happier now! :)
@@simsalagin 100 gal is about 380 ltr
Edit: the dimensions will be (about as things vary by country) 180 x 45 x 50 cm
@@angelzfire312 ohh okay thank you! Thatâs a big tank :D I have a smaller tank, but with 2 levels on top itâs about the same space in total :) do you think it makes a difference for the mice if itâs divided instead of one big tank?
@@simsalagin what they really need is the floor space so if you had say 2 levels that were say 90 x 40 x 35 that would also be just fine itâs about their enrichment, being able to feel safe in a burrow and having those foraging behaviors met!
A suggestion for anyone wanting to get an animal: âAdopt donât shopâ applies to all species, not just cats and dogs. You can find countless mice through rescue groups or from people needing to rehome their mice on sites like Craigslist. Just watch out for breeders in disguise. Look for people who are sending all of their supplies with the mouse for a rehoming fee. Opened bags of bedding and food and a cage are great signs the person is just wanting to find a new home for their pet. If the animal is young and not coming with any items, itâs probably a breeder so donât get that animal. Pet stores get their animals from deplorable pet mills. Just watch some videos on pet mills for pet stores and youâll see why they should not be supported. I donât even shop at pet stores for supplies if the store sells live animals. I boycott them. And a tip if you get an animal from an owner rehoming it and sending the supplies with it: even if the supplies are not appropriate or safe (not good food or bedding, unhealthy treats, dangerous mesh wheels, hamster balls, tiny cage, etc), see if you can return the items to the pet store without the receipt and get some money back to go towards better supplies for the animal. Theyâll just throw them away after they give you a refund. If that doesnât work, see if you can make use of the items before you throw them away. Like take the cage apart and use all the pieces made of metal bars to do a DIY lid for a bin cage (if a bin cage is appropriate for the animal species youâre getting) or something. Be creative so as not to waste the items but use them safely and appropriately. Donât try to sell them to someone else to use on their animals. Those types of items should never be used since theyâre unsafe if used in the way they are marketed for. I hope those tips help!
*Or buy from RESPONSIBLE breeders! It's bad breeders who fill up shelters with their animals that they take no accountability for! We need good and responsible breeders to breed healthy animals or we wouldn't have any pets at all! I've spent a lot of time seeking out responsible mouse breeders to ensure I have the healthiest and well tempered mice possible. Rescue where you can, but don't beat yourself up if you can only buy from a responsible breeder-buying from them is still doing the right thing!
@@soboblee3439 People use the term âresponsibleâ very loosely. Even if the breeder was doing everything right, itâs still not responsible to breed more animals into the world when so many are dying simply due to lack of homes. Using the logic of âor we wouldnât have any pets at allâ is super selfish. No offense. Animals are not here to be our little toys. I know many owners view them as family members and thatâs great. But donât forget WHY the pet industry is here to begin with: People like having animals for one reason or another and so they kidnap them from the wild or they breed them and sell them. People still view them as property and slaves, basically. Please donât misunderstand what Iâm saying, Iâm not against having animals but anyone that wants an animal needs to think about and understand these points. Another reason why thereâs no such thing as responsible breeding is that the more you breed animals, even with genetic testing and all that jazz, youâre STILL narrowing down the gene pool with each generation. The healthiest specimens are wild species. Anything that has been domesticated is bred to have certain looks or abilities or personality types and they have to be inbred to do that. But all that having been said, people need to stop being selfish in wanting animals and start viewing them as individuals. Until all the ones that are already alive have good homes, I donât think anymore should be bred. And YOU may be a great owner and take really good care of your mice, but for many species, especially the smaller ones, that VAST majority of those little creatures are bought by idiots who donât research them and they lead horrible lives because of it. So I would much rather no one be able to have them and thus there would be no animals suffering. That will never happen unfortunately. And yes, I do agree that there are a few good reasons for having animals outside of simple companionship, like for help with disabilities and bomb sniffing and ESAs, etc. Iâm not saying I donât want anyone to ever be able to have pets. I just want people to value them as individuals and realize that we need to properly care for the ones that are already alive before we bring more into the world. And many species and breeds just should not be pets/bred period.
@@xradelox I think my point may have gone over your head. A responsible breeder is someone who not only breeds the healthiest animals they can, but they are also the ones who vet new homes and take back any of the animals they bred if something goes wrong with the new owners. That is what is meant by responsible. It is backyard breeders who will sell to idiots, and it is these idiots who do no research on their pets that end up putting their pets in shelters or abandoning them later on. Irresponsible breeders are the ones who fuel shelters. I include small pet breeding mills and pet shop bought pets in this as well as bad dog and cat breeders. Stopping people from buying healthy and well-bred animals by breeders who are doing everything right isn't the problem. Also, well distinguished breeds are necessary for service animals like police dogs/bomb sniffing dogs, guide dogs etc. A shelter dog, though lovely as a companion, will most likely not have the best temperament for a job as they usually do not have the best start in life (idiots who buy dogs they can't handle from irresponsible breeders are mostly the ones who fill shelters, remember) and behavioral issues will need to be addressed for a long time, if not for the rest of that dogs life, before any service training can start.
There are some animals I agree should not be bred (scottish fold cats, bully breeds that can't breathe, etc.), but there are many animal breeds that are wonderful and would be lost if we stopped breeding responsibly.
If every animal was bred responsibly, and not by backyard breeders or pet shops/small animal breed mills etc, there would barely be a need for shelters, barring the exception where sometimes peoples circumstances drastically change and the animal has no other choice than to be sadly surrendered to a shelter. We have kept animals and pets for thousands of years, and pet ownership is not something that is ever going to stop. The best we can do for our animals is to give them the best start in life by ensuring they are bred as healthy as possible and are given to the right homes who will treasure them and fulfill all their needs.
Pet shops are very bad for encouraging impulse buying of small animals, but we need to be more vocal about their welfare and avoid buying their mill bred animals and instead buy from responsible breeders and encourage others to do the same if we want to make any difference to these animals lives in the long run. Stopping all breeding and ownership of these animals would be such a shame, as it is so easy to give them happy and enriched lives-it just comes down to being educated and ensuring owners are doing their research. Only uneducated fools are buying from bad breeders or pet shops, which as I've said so many times now, are the ones fueling the shelters in the first place.
@@soboblee3439 It didnât go over my head. I understand exactly what youâre saying. But you canât deny that for every animal born and sold (regardless of good/bad breeders and good/bad owners), a homeless animal dies because there are not enough good homes. Itâs very simple math. And speaking as someone who has worked with and for various shelters for almost a decade, the majority of animals are wonderful animals. Stereotypes only hurt and cost more lives. And Iâve known plenty of well bred, bought animals that have lots of issues because of their owners. And in my opinion, the majority of breeds (especially of dogs) should be allowed to go extinct, I know you mentioned a few. To each his own but I will never agree with breeding period as long as billions of animals die every year just because theyâre not âwell bredâ. Itâs not their fault and they need homes too.
@@xradelox I donât think we are going to agree on anything, our views are very different. I just hope anyone reading this takes from it to adopt or buy from a responsible breeder and to avoid backyard bred and pet shop animals :D and to enjoy their animals and give them the best life possible
I got a cat today!! I've had mice before and both animals are adorable!!
You will have fun, Iâve had my cat Banana for 2 years now and he is hilarious and super sweet. I wish you the same!
@@deletedOM Tyyy
not super related but I just can't get over how adorable the mice are when they climb the poles in the detolfđ!!! they look so chunky!!!
I don't own mice but I love your videos they are relaxing I like learning about different animals anyway so perfect video as always đ€đ
For pet owners, I would say this is great advice. However, it isn't always applicable in every situation. Mice in breeding conditions actually do better with smaller spaces and less bedding. Weird, I know, but large cages can cause aggressive/territorial/anxious behavior in male/female pairings, in nursing mothers and in females who are being reintroduced to new or old groups on a regular basis. Deep bedding can cause issues as well because babies can get lost in it, so nurseries do best with 2 inches rather than more. Generally speaking, only non-breeding males and retired females, or groups of grow out females who will be together for a while will do very well in larger cages.
There are other situations where exceptions to the rules pop up. In the end, I'd say if you pay close attention to your animals and adjust things for what's best for them, you're doing good. personality also makes a difference. I've had some mice that can comfortably live in 10gallon enclosures if you know how to fill it right, and on the flip side some absolutely cannot thrive in such a small size. i've also had concerns with larger enclosures though. Mice can have terrible times in larger enclosures if you fill them wrong. in the end, I think mice appreciate how a space is filled, moreso than exactly how much space they are given(though more is generally better).
I have a field mouse I hand reared who is at most a quarter of Fleet's size and I couldn't imagine him in a 10 gallon! Like yeah he'd technically have room to run but nothing fits in like you showed!
Your vids have really helped me to know what to get for my mice. I am going to be getting 3 females Daisy,meadow and clover are going to be there names and I am sooo excited đ„łThx
my favorite mouses name was daisy! she was such a sweet girl. She lived to be 3 years old and when she passed all my others got visibly depressed for a while. I wish you the best of luck with your group
@@ktkpnsk7252 thank you so much I can't waitâ€and sorry to hear about about Daisy
I just can't understand how there are places where a 10 gallon tank is considerate fine for anything. In my country even small fishes like tetras need a bigger tank and the 10 gallon would fall under animal abuse. The only animals that can be kept in there are shrimps, maybe a mantis.... but a mouse or hamster? Have you ever seen a hamster in such a tank? Put your cat in a dresser and tell it that's where it'll spend the rest of its life in, see how it will like that. Or imagine living your whole entire live inside your bathroom, not so nice eh?
What was the second substrate that you used after the hemp? The one you break up from a block? It looks really cool and would like to try it with Gus!
I use 10 gallon tanks, but I always have a cage topper that doubles the space the mieces can use. I also crochet them little rugs so they aren't constantly stepping on wire.
Hi Emi I have 5 rats and I need a better free roam area because I just noticed their current one is too small. Iâm not sure if a big box will work or if I should try to clear up some space and give them an entire room, can you tell me what I should do?
Iâm not Emi but based on my own experience Iâd say the room would be much better than a box, unless itâs like, an absurdly large box. But also you donât NEED a whole room (though Iâm sure theyâd appreciate a lot). They sell these like, plastic squares you can arrange together on Amazon, theyâre for building shoe storage shelves, and theyâd probably be a great in-between! You can create a playpen larger than a box without taking up an entire room.
Just my own thoughts, definitely do some research on free roam areas if you feel unsure. And Emi has videos reviewing peopleâs free roam areas, that might be a good place to look if you havenât already if you want Emiâs opinions specifically :) Good luck!!
@@mikumikumikumikumikumikumiku thank you so much!
aaa emi that dress is so pretty !! you look great :D
In germany it's illegal to keep (even unneuteted males) mice alone, they always must be neutered and socialized!
Hi! Iâm from Germany too and I didnât know that đł I make mice videos too if you want to check them out âșïž
@@simsalagin Yes, it is true! I wanted to get one male mouse at first because I had seen so many people on social media having one single male, but then i made the research about german laws and got 4 females instead.
I do not want to keep a social animal alone if there's the possibility to neuter them.
@@simsalagin And it also is strongly adviced to not keep them in a tank (even with ventilation bars) because of their respatory system and the amonia building up...
At first I had a 80x50cm nagarium until their bigger enclosure would arrive and they weren't in there for long and one super healthy mouse had started sneezing
(now they live in a 100x50cm wire enclosure, if not in intro again)
@@jessicalieblich8659 yes! I have an aquarium so they can still burrow but thereâs a wire enclosure on top :)
I bought me and my children matching hoodies from your merch shop, they arrived this morning sooooo happy with them đ. We are all abit obsessed with our rats đ€Łđ. I have 5 girls, 2 of which are dumbo and 3 are top eared. I've learned so much about their care watching your channel. Want to add one of my girls is albino, has Ruby eyes and she has never shown aggression towards me, my children or her sister rats đ€·ââïž xx
Just realised I've commented on the wrong video đ€Łđ€Ł oops xx
Thank you! Iâm glad you like them â„ïžâ„ïž
I can't believe someone thinks mice aren't empathetic.
Agree that 10 gallon is way too small.
This is a great video!
Can you please do a video for if you are going to get 2 mice and what you need
Hey this is a little off topic but someone told me who said they were experienced with rats that the prevue hendryx 528 cage was suits for up to 5 rats. I have a critternation but I was wondering if they are correct? I knew someone who has that cage for their hamster and Iâve seen it in person and i just canât see how itâs big enough for 5 rats, even my 2 rats would only fit in there at most. But I was wondering if they were correct I just canât see how itâs big enough but who knows maybe it is â€ïž
Love to the rats mice and Hubble!
Anyone ever try coconut fiber mixed with other substrate? If it safe to use? Iâm trying to find good substrate alternatives
Totally agree with the registered breeder thing. The AKC is like *the* dog and breeder registry and they have tons of puppy mills registered as breeders. Regardless of the animal you are getting, the important things about a good breeder is: see how they care for their animals (both breeding stock, and the babies they're selling). What is their process for homing their animals, do they vet you and see what kind of home you're going to provide or do they just give their animals to whoever has the money? What are their policies for if you can't keep the animal anymore? Good breeders do not contribute to the shelter animal problem as they vet their placements and have policies where they will assist with rehoming and/or take the animal back if you can no longer keep them. They often have contracts stating these things so they can take legal action if you just dump your animal in a shelter. What are their retirement plans for their animals? A good breeder won't breed their stock constantly for the rest of their lives, and what do they do when an animal is no longer breeding? A lot will spay/neuter them and adopt them out, some just have them retire at home. Back to contracts as well, many breeders have you sign contracts outlining the type of care policies the breeders expect for their animals. Requiring vaccines, requiring good care, requiring check ins for the first couple months, etc are some examples. They are available to answer questions about care and training. Had your dog for 5 years and have a question? A good breeder will be happy to help. Some send home care packets to help you settle in with your new fur/scale/feather baby that includes their medical history while they were with the breeder, the types of food and parasite prevention used and recommended, recommended trainers (if applicable, though I'd love to see a snake trainer hehe). See if you can find testimonials and talk to those people directly about their experience. Finding a good breeder for any type of animal can be a lot of work but the peace of mind knowing you're getting an animal from an ethical source who has put their love and experience into breeding healthy, happy animals is so so worth it.
Hey I wanted to ask, What bedding do u use? ( The big bag used as an example )
She uses hemp bedding or carefresh unscented bedding. She has videos on all of this
I have hamsters not mice but I love watching your vids!!!
Great video â€ïž
I have multiple fish tanks (all with fish right now). I have considered converting my 40 gallon into a mouse home.
I do let my boys play out in a play area.. sometimes together with supervision. They do ok as long as it's not too long and they have enough things to to do. Can't live together but do get some time to play and not totally alone. I have a few female African soft furs too so I let them play as well.
Just not in other countries
tough finding an enclosure like that in the USA :(
Just a 40 gallon tank or bigger from petco or petsmart works fine đ
also, it can be difficult to house a male with females because in my area at least, there are no females at rescues or shelters. There's always plenty of male mice, but never any females. There aren't any mouse breeders in my area, either. I would buy from craigslist or places like that, but I don't know where they are coming from so I'd rather not. also I'm 13 and spending $300 to have him neutered for a reason that isn't an emergency is crazy to me. I would like to, but my parents don't want me taking him to the vet if it isn't an emergency.
That does seem to be quite common! Male mice seem to end up in rescues a lot because theyâre harder to home because of the social side of it / the smell etc. In some places thereâs a lot of male mice in rescues and they deserve homes, whether thatâs going to be with females or not, because of the sheer amount of them that are sat in rescues. Iâm lucky that a few rescues here neuter the mice before you adopt them, I donât know how they make their money back when their adoption fees are so low compared to the price of neutering, but I donât think Iâd be tempted to get an intact male that Iâd have to neuter myself either!
@@Emiology I really want to adopt another male (obviously I wouldn't house him with my other one) because there are so many locally that have lived at the shelter for their entire lives. Do you think it's okay to have them in the same room? will their scent marking increase because of the each other's smell?
Is the dynamic of group better in a 3 or 4 ?? Iâm wondering đ as Iâm getting my mouse boy neutered soon, and I am wondering whether I should get 2 or 3 more females to go along with him ?? Have a good day đ€© :))
Generally speaking more is probably better, just as long as they all get along and you are able to care for them all adequately :) Three is the bare minimum, so any more than that only creates more social dynamics (which is good!). As long as you have the space and resources (more pets = more potential vet bills, more food, etc) I would get 4, if I were you.
@@mikumikumikumikumikumikumiku We have 4 mice. They all get along so well, 3 we adopted at the same time and the 4th was added a week later. The reason we have four, was I was thinking if one mouse needed to go to the vet or needed to be isolated somewhat (for health reasons) then they could have a buddy, and the other two also have each other. I was just future proofing I guess!
Such an IMPORTANT VIDEO!
I got a question can you make a video that shows what mouse lives the longest or breed
when will my rats be fully grown? they are 2 months but still small
I'm going to say this once and one time only...Gurl the hair colorđ„° is working for u.!!
Best video ever đđ
My pet rats are shedding a good amount of hair, they have been for about a month now but they donât have lice or mitesâŠIâve consistently looked at there skin, and they have no scabs or specific spots that there losing hair, there about 4 months oldâŠthey donât itch a concerning amount either, could this maybe because of there diet? I give them oxbow mixed with pasta, dog food, a herb mix, Rice Krispies, bird seed, and a few other variants of these itemsâŠalso there coat is smooth and soft, itâs just I can see there hair all over there fleece and is usually on me after I handle themâŠI was thinking maybe because stress as well but nothing has really changed and they all get along so idk what would be causing stressâŠ
Iâve found that some rats shed more than others, or sometimes itâs more noticeable. My one smooth coated rat Iâm always covered in his hair whenever I have him on my lap, the others not so much! If they seem otherwise healthy I wouldnât worry!
a long life may not be a happy life, it doesnât mean your mouse is happy in their undersized cage even if they live a long life!
What are the plants in your enclosure that the mice are climbing and nibbling at? :)
ROFL, I've just been recording with the windows open and the fans on... I *super* care about the quality of my videos đ
I canât đ even with the windows shut all you can hear is the building work going on outside itâs making it really difficult to get anything done lol
My cat brought a baby rat from somewhere and I don't have excess to medical attention. I don't know how I'm gonna take care of him
Can you possibly make a video on cleaning a cage of mice that do not want to be handled? I am going to be deep cleaning my adopted kiddos next week and they are not okay with handling and are super shy. Thanks!
Hi! This comment was quite a while ago and Iâm sure youâve found your solution, but what I found helpful was using a toilet paper roll, or coaxing the shy mouse with a treat to go into a round hide, and scooping her up from there
love the dress!
Vets REALLY dislike neutering small animals like mice because it's really hard to get the anaesthetic right without killing them :(
Not all vets!
I had to put down my baby girl Remy yesterday. It was hard to let her go but it was harder to let her stay. đ Took her sister Piper with her and SHE was being the bestest sister to Remy. She buried her head into her for 20+ minutes without moving, she could tell that her sister was in pain and I know that she was comforting her. Such a sweet little girl I miss her already đžđ·đ. Ahh but Iâm glad I was able to come across this channel, sweet memories of sitting on the couch watching these videos with her on my lap, and we tried so many things together and I improved my ways of doing things so she had the best of care from your help. I regret not taking her out everyday, And if anyone reads this comment please do!!! Youâll regret it later!! Give them a big kiss đ and tons of treats, your time with them is short. Also if anyone has any advice for me since Iâm left with only Piper, it could really help!! Not sure if she needs another cage mate but she is already turning 2 in November. And donât worry Iâm giving Piper extra attention right now!!
Hi Iâm from the uk too do you know of any ethical hamster breeders
10 gallon!? đ° Iâve been feeling awful that I can only provide a 40 gallon for my mice at the moment đ How are people seriously keeping them in 10 gallon tanks đ
Can you dye your mice fur? Is it safe? If I dye my albino mice fur above their tail will they be ok? I wanna be able to identify them
Not with traditional dye, but if you want to identify them you can use sharpie on their tails or food colouring dotted onto their back
@@Emiology thank you!! Could I use dog safe dye? Is it safe for mice? I feel like thatâd last longer but Iâm more than ok if I need to do it a few times a month đ„°
Hey can anyone help me?
I have 3 mice got them in feb we used hemp. Carefresh. Cardboard bedding and hay. We noticed one of the mice had a small chest infection. We realised that it was probably the hay. We only used carefresh and cardboard for the next few months and she was fine. Whenever we used any hemp she would get small chest infections. We ended up using a different brand of hemp hoping it will be ok. yesterday we decided to used some of the hemp (as well as carefresh and cardboard) but she now has a really bad chest infection (the other 2 mice are completely fine) we think that she is allergic to hay and hemp or she was born with a bad chest (after buying them we soon realised that they were from a bad breeders so maybe it is something to do with how they were bred). Is there any other bedding that people recommend I can use as well as the carefresh as a bag of carefresh every 2 weeks is getting a little expensive. Thanks
She is my little drama queen. She will gladly steal food from the others but when they try to steal food from her she will make a fuss about it đ. But since rodents donât have great respiratory systems I make to make sure that she doesnât get Iâll. when she has had a chest infection it has cleared up in a week. I understand that mice can have antibiotics which people have suggested to me. I agree. But I need a permanent solution as a mouse canât stay on antibiotics so I need to find a solution so Iâm hoping to find a suitable solution
About this mouse and the breeder. We got the mice during lockdown in the uk. We were told the mice were well handled and they showed us a few pics of the colours of the mice that they breed. As we got there they had to bring the mice outside in a box (as during lockdown we were not allowed into their property, which we understood) they showed us about 7 mice and we chose 3 of them. When we got home we realised that one of them seemed smaller than the other 2 but they said they were all the same age (this smaller one is the mouse with the bad chest). We soon realised that this breeder lied and they were not well handled. They were petrified of people. They wouldnât go near anyone or walk around the cage if someone was in the room. Since we got them in feb I have sat with them every night and I can now stroke them and they will put their front paws on me. It has taken a lot longer than I expected but I am happy they now trust me. Even coming up to the front of the cage whenever I walk in my room. I just hope that we can help her
I used to think I lived in a very privileged area in regards to pets and the likeâŠ.but then I started to realize that In my city (actually the whole province) there is 1 rat breeder and no mouse breeders. My rats came from a breeder 24hr drive away, because I had a bad experience with the local one.
We have only a couple vet offices that care for rats and mice, and the emergency vet clinics will not take any âexoticâ pets anymore.
Our city is actually trying to ban âexoticâ pets but the proposal would ban fish, birds, reptiles, insects, spiders and snakes. The only legal pets would be cats, dogs, rabbits, guinea pigs, rats, mice, gerbils and hamsters. No ferrets, hedgehogs, chinchillas, sugar gliders ect.
Itâs ridiculous!
Got a detolf 2 weeks ago! Currently have 3 girls in there and getting 3 more on monday! (Feel free to ask questions or enlighten me)
Thatâs great! Just your opinion but do you think it would be ok if I housed a single male mouse in a detolf? Iâm unable to neuter him and my freind needs him to have a new home and the cage he is currently in is a ten gallon and itâs so small. Do you think that it would be ok if he is housed in there with lots on enrichment and toys by himself?
I think that the size of my cages that I have for my mice are a good size because we can fit like 2 or 3 hides in it and there wheel we put there beds at the top of there cage but they sleep in there hides sometimes I have 2 cages because I have 2 boy mice and they tried to kill each other O-O sorry this was so long byeđâ€
I own rats but this will be interesting. đ
I will to this January!
U can live in Great Britain and not have the finances or transport to get to exotic vet.
So idk if you will see this comment, but I rescued a litter of mice along with the parents. I reached out for extra tanks to house them in to avoid using smaller tanks. I got called a mouse murderer as tanks will kill them, and was sent this video as proof. So would love to ask you opinion of a 40 gallon breeder tank for mom and babies or rescued pups of sexed out tank setups.
Why would someone send you this video against tanks when I recommend tanks all the time đ 40 gallons is a great size for a small group of mice permanently. Iâve also just rescued some female mice and litters and you donât need to reach the âminimumâ for every stage of splitting the mice, Iâm just using what I have because all the boys will need splitting, itâs okay to use smaller bin cages and tanks while youâre figuring things out đ A 40 gallon for the mum and female babies to stay in together (depending how many youâre keeping) is great!
in South Africa vets can not help exotic online dogs and cats
yay Iâm early haha đđ
I really want pet rats but my parents wont let me :( do you think 11 is an appropriate age to own pet rats? And how can I convince them to get me pet rats? Also your videos are so good and helpful! đđ
I really dont get why ppl let their pets life in such small cages. Would you let your child life in a 4qm Room all of their life?
I wouldn't put it past some people oof
Can I house 3 male brothers together? They are 22 days old right now and only have 1 female. So I separated her and put her in her own enclosure and have the 3 males together.
I had a mouse đ but he um died đđđ
Personally I think leopard geckos are wayyy better than micr bc they are easier to tame there bites donât hurt as Much and they are more interesting
and I think reptiles are more loved then rodents bc we have repticon and reptile shows but we donât have rodentcons or rodent shows
Yes we do đ đ
@@Emiology wait where
@@thelizardlover6838 Don't know in relation to where you are but I've been to rodent shows, they very much exist, doesn't make rodents any less loved :)
@@Emiology oh Iâm from American I guess we just donât have those here
Wow our german hamster minimum says 1mx50cm . Kinda proud but we always see whats recommended but rarely you met a person here who cares and on ebay the awfull makrolon prisons seem to be the sht again. Its just sad . Also rats are conmonly kept in tanks here . The recommendations of our country are good but sadly nobody cares . Also in my village of 17.000 inhabitants there are over 400 individual ppl privately breeding and selling on ebay locals. (most of them up to 10 different species.budgies rabbits guineas and aras in one cage and stuff like that) its frightening that nobody cares.
Also breeding doesnt need to be controlled here if u dont sell profitable and or less than 500 individual animals a year...not even the need to register anything.
What WOULD BE BEST is that people STOP BREEDING ANIMALS IRRESPONSIBLY...with NO THOUGHT about how they're going to FIND DECENT HOMES FOR THESE CREATURES!?? - especially once these little lives are past the "cute" "sweet" stage.
WHEN Will they take some responsibility đ
Well I have a female mouse in a 10 gallon and getting another one or two tomorrow đso thatâs a lie
Just because you can do something doesnât mean you should. I could put you in a bathroom to live your entire life but it doesnât make it right.
@@Emiologyok iâm actually so sorry i know itâs 7 months later and i know proper mouse care. i was also mad when writing the comment 7 months ago
so a ten gallon tank is not big enough for any rodent?
No
If someone can't keep male mice ethically, they shouldn't keep male mice. It is simply not okay to house mice alone for the duration of their lives. Euthanasia is the more ethical solution to social isolation from its own species. It's a quality of life situation.
And I absolutely will shame people for keeping animals unethically. Science shows male mice suffer psychologically for being kept without other mice. Period. There's no excuse. Many reputable breeders cull excess males for a reason.
Yes, I get that and I agree with all the points you make because I feel the same way. However I have known people in countries where there are no good breeders, hardly any vets to neuter or euthanise and an excess of male fancy mice that are still alive, itâs not a great situation for them to navigate and Iâm glad I live somewhere where male mice can be neutered and kept ethically.
Can two rats be in a 15 gallon tank?
Rats canât live in tanks and certainly not one that small.
@@Emiology I see that now and Iâm about to get a very large ferret cage