Arma 3 Helicopter Guide - Who's the boss? - Art of Flight, Episode 11
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2015
- The code described at the end of the vid:
(vehicle player) setDir 95;
(vehicle player) setVelocity [0,0,0];
(vehicle player) setPosASL [21330.3,19940.8,11.4696];
vehicle player setHit ["mala vrtule", 1];
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#ArtOfFlight - Hry
Very important point. I really had to push it hard with my group's leaders that the pilot is in control. I don't care if a fucking Company CO is sitting in the back, I've better judgement upon the situation when I'm behind that stick. My crewmen are also usually more experienced with the craft, so I will defer to listening to them first, grunts later.
A friend of mine is extremely respectful to pilots on ArmA. He keeps saying that even with high rank, he will listen to a pilot like he was listening to a General.
Pubbie "Pilot, your LZ is way too far, put us right here" *marks LZ in the middle of the AO*
Me "how about no and say we did, and we land at mine where you'll be safe, but close enough to the action"
*one landing later, pubbie squad is still in the cabin*
Pubbie "I said land at our LZ!"
Me "you missed your LZ, Because we'll never make it to the one you marked"
*get back to base, get more people, go back, pubbies get out and shoot your chopper after dropping them off*
I've told people many times that in my chopper, I am the boss. Fortunate for me, and unfortunate for them, they wont be playing on the server I play on anymore.
Only way to deal with people like that..
mikSMASH and of course, if you fly to their LZ and get shot down, its because "your" flying sucks.
Pythos Sapunov Fuck those whiny bitches, they want their LZ so bad, THEY can learn how to fly without getting caught in teli-wires or by AA. So sick of passengers like that.
Pythos Sapunov Lol Tell them to grab some parachutes
Yeah some people suck
A few weeks back I read "Rattler One-Seven," a Vietnam War memoir by a Huey "Slick" pilot. The issue of command was emphasized early on: the pilot is the top authority on the aircraft. That's why he is called the aircraft commander (AC) in the Army and helicopter aircraft commander (HAC) in the Marines. He (or she) is utterly responsible for the aircraft and the safety of everyone within it.
Anyway, at one point later in the author's tour, there was a change of command in his squadron. A new captain made a point of flying as co-pilot with each of the ACs and repeatedly took control without asking. No AC appreciated this, but were unsure of whether they really could do anything about it. The author decided to have none of it, though, and, despite only being a warrant officer himself, asserted his command of the aircraft. The captain backed down and later apologized.
In another incident, the author was ferrying high ranking officers to a base. One of the colonels decided that he didn't like flying low. The squadron had required low-level flight in potentially hostile territory. Repeated explanations of this to the colonel didn't phase him, so the author complied for a short time via a rapid ascent followed by an equally rapid descent back to low-level. I think it was on the ground that he explained clearly exactly who was in command of the helicopter and what the flight doctrine was to the now very angry colonel.
Ostsol Thanks for sharing. That book is on my reading list.
Is there an easy, free way to read/listen to this book online?
TheInvisiblesTJD There's free ways to read most any book online. Often not legally, of course. I'm subscribed to Audible.
I have 3 instances that stick in my mind regarding this, the first one was in a Vietnam op, I was coming in for an extraction, my squad was at a burning helo in a small clearing, and were requesting a pickup at that location, and our CO (who was Zeus) was adamant that I was to pick them up at the wreckage, and I refused, argument over radio ensued;
Me "I am not landing in there, there is not enough room"
CO "There is plenty of room, I landed that helo in there" (He did land safely, then blew it up for RP)
Me "And now there is a burning helo there and I won't fit"
CO "There is plenty of room, I could fit another helo in there"
Me "You know that you are a better pilot than me, I am not going to put MY helo in YOUR LZ, there is a decent clearing 400m north, I WILL land there"
my squad were very understanding and commended me on my decision making, and all defended me in debrief, that CO was a total control freak, and didn't last much longer in the community that I built.
The second instance was in a Russian campaign, I was flying some re-inserts in a Hind, while providing CAS, I already had a very solid understanding of the situation on the ground and knew I could land within 200m of friendly forces, one of the pax decided to criticize my flying, so I landed the whole lot 1.5km away on the other side of a hill and made them walk.
The third instance I was flying a damaged Chinook (I was coming in for extract, and a bug emptied the tanks of all airborne aircraft and I had to auto-rotate into the LZ, played it off as an EMP), and was flying low over a river and took an RPG, disabled the engine, and with nowhere dry to land, I had to auto-rotate (again) into the river. I told all my pax to remain in the vehicle and only jump on my mark, some jumped straight away, they died, some didn't jump at all, they died, the only ones who survived were the ones who listened to their pilot and jumped just before impact, so they were under water when the helo exploded.
MY helicopter, MY rules, I know what needs to be done for the safety of MY passengers.
Always blame Ghostboots.
went to a invade and annex public server few months ago, one told me to drop about 5km out on the other side of AO all flat ground, rest agreed with my LZ choice that was about 2km from AO with mountain and forest cover, landed, they all got out, but the dissenter decided to shoot me and take the helo to his LZ because i didn't listen like a good pilot should. Can't win sometimes. Ended up an AA missile came and ended that chopper as he flew away, was flying an MH-9 hummingbird. To this day i don't know if it was enemy or friendly that shot that missile, never asked.
Warzoneshot he deserv what he got. You did well.
TheCDNkindaguy unfortunately yes, though it's a toss up any more, good pilots are respected, if not they leave. People are starting to figure it out. Get a good pilot, don't trash talk emm or you lose the service.
Warzoneshot he shot you what an ass
Warzoneshot I was playing I&A on one of the AW servers, and some guy would halo anto the AO and snipe friendlies. Every time he showed up I hit him with an HE rpg. The one other guy i was running with seemed impressed with the ranges I was smacking the dude lol.
DJB1ack0u7 what kind of RPG? modded or base game? either way impressive.
Hey Dslyecxi great video! A few months back in A3 I was in a similar situation once as a pilot myself flying a little bird that had its tail rotor shot out on infiltration. Passengers started screaming orders to bail out when I told them to stay in. Half the passengers bailed, the other half stayed in. I managed to safely land the helo on our LZ despite the crazy spinning that was going on. During debrief lets just say I had some words of questionable choice that I said to those who had bailed.
I love this video. So good. Pilots should always be trusted, and if they're good, fully trusting them can really help. If they're bad, then now you know I guess
"Everyone died as a result." Except that one guy who wasn't in it.
Lucky bastard must've been the one to report the broken rotor
You make flying sound so badass.
4 years later and it appears that very few commentors actually learned the key point in this video. "Don't fuck it up". Thanks Dslyecxi.
Best outro ever.
I used to be a crew chief for a couple of groups. High command on all but one (not gonna say who) seemed to allow an exception to profanity rules when telling passengers to shut the f*** up & let pi/co think XD
Thank you for that executable code, super handy and a really good idea. Hope to see it in your future AOF videos.
The code is a great add-on, I'm looking forward to trying it out!
Great video you would be surprise how the information is relevant on real life responsibilities as pilot in command.
Another great and informative video :)
Can a loaded Chinook (in real life) even fly if the Tail rotor is gone? I don´t think if would have enough power (and stability) to do so, would it?
Tonci87 I'd imagine not. In A3 vanilla FM it's abstracted as having a tail rotor influence, so losing your antitorque ability is linked to it.
Tonci87 i would like to know as well .
Tonci87 I think the rotor might even be able to create enough lift, chinooks can carry a heck of a lot of weight after all, but I don't think it would be stable enough.
The high weight at the back of the aircraft would probably simply cause the heli to pitch over backwards and crash, with the pilot being unable to counter such a strong imbalance with what little imput he can give.
Just my guess of course.
Luckily Arma scoffs on real life physics ;)
Braindead You are correct. In most choppers the rotor is close to or at the center of mass. On systems like the Chinook the center of mass is between the rotors. Loosing one would cause a lift imbalance.
It wouldn't be able to as there would be more power at the front of the heli causing it to flip. Though if the rear rotor is still spinning the pitch can be changed to help it continue to spin and assist in the auto rotation.
Yay a vid about flying :D liked!
Fantastic video! Also, harsh outro, haha!
It`s funny, i`ve been watching some firefighters' guides to emergency landings on helos, and general piloting. This is perfectly like them.
Thank you for making this video it was very informative
i wish the people i played with actually played like it was the real deal, too many friendlies dying because someone got bored
Awesome video!
I hate that soo much when everyone in your helo is telling you what to do! It led to many deaths.
Damian Mot Everyone telling him what to do didnt lead to many deaths.......him listening to them did.
Ghost One That is actually a factor in many real life aviation accidents. It's called "takeoff pressure". That's why the Pilot In Command is in fucking COMMAND.
exactly
TrotTheBlackDog 14 CFR 91.3 Look it up!
informative and to the point
I feel like military helo pilots could use this for trainees. Very helpful. Combat medics kind of carry the same weight, too. When it comes to life and death situations, I feel like they should trump rank.
I'm guessing 3rd person is disabled on these servers?
Yeah
Love you man
How do you get the nice panoramic 3rd person shots, and the birds eye view with friendlies and enemies marked at 5:31?
Was someone of your squad helping you with vid? Or is it UnitPlay black magic trickery again?
Miklide dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/263501/Images/its_magic.jpg
God dammit dslyecxi
3:23 was that crater a mod?
it sucks that i neither have the equipment nor live in the same time zone to be part of shacktac. ive always had a love for realistic and highly tactical teamplay, while also being good friends and cracking a joke once in a while. shame i'll most likely never be part of shacktac.
You sound like such a nice guy :)
I know the release date on this vid, but isnt the Crew Chief in charge of the aircraft and its passengers + crew? and the pilot incharge to *just* flying? The Co-Pilot incharge of comms and LM incharge of throwing people out of "my plane"?
4k?! lol I like
I die more to Helo stupid than any thing else in Arma3.
Pilots that over fly the A.O.
Pilots that think flares will protect from ground fire.
Pilots that think landing on auto pilot at the LZ is ok.
I also can't believe how many people think crash landing and re spawn is the way to fly.
I seriously need to find a group/server.
Do you plan to put ACRE2 in adversarial sessions?
rangersinper54 Eventually, yes.
Is there a Recording function that allows you to take video's like that crash scene after the op, or was he doing the flying camera during the mission
Theron Nett kinda like Halo's Theater mode
Theron Nett I think this is recreation. Some guys came together to play it again, while someone is recording with flying camera.
I really wish Arma had a theater mode like Halo. Would make doing AARs so much easier to do if people can see what happened from multiple angles
Theron Nett It would be a HUGE amount of data, if the game would save everything from the entire map. A simple bullet has more calculations than a typical FPS player movements. Imagine how much information is going on with 120 players, AIs, vehicles, physics, ...
+Theron Nett He mentions in the video it came from that he died early in the mission and just live-recorded the remainder, including the crash.
That whole situation would be avoided if Chinook had a crew chief.
Those damn passengers
The PIC owns the pax. No question.
3:20 that's so sad :(
Perfect for a search and rescue scenario though
this helo is so buggy we've had them blow up randomly for a multitude of reasons looks so damn good though
Я не очень хорошо понимаю английский. Но как я понял тут идёт речь о том, как предотвратить такие случаи?
Я немножко не понял, вы проводили эксперимент, как можно было взлететь без заднего ротора? Если да, то в оригинальном видео он отвалился совсем, а в вашем эксперименте случае просто не вращался в полную силу, и благодаря этому факту ваш эксперимент не соответствует данному случаю, т.к в них разные результаты не из-за правильных действий, а из-за разных обстоятельств. (повторюсь, если конечно это был эксперимент, с уважением из России)
I don't understand very well English. But as I understand this is a how to prevent such cases?
I am a little not understand, you should conduct the experiment, how it was possible to fly without the rear rotor? If Yes, in the original video it came off completely, and in your case, just experiment did not rotate at full strength, and due to this fact, your experiment does not meet the case, because different results are not due to the correct action, but because of different circumstances. (again, unless it was an experiment, with respect from Russia) translated using Goggle translate
алексей шумилин If I'm understanding you correctly, you're asking if the tail rotor being on in the cinematic reproduction means that it's not the same conditions as in the scenario. The tail rotor being visible is an artifact of how I captured that scene. The actual flight was recorded with no tail rotor, which is why the aircraft is spinning the way it is. So yes, it's reproducing the same situation - it just doesn't look exactly the same. Functionally it's identical though.
***** Yes you understood me correctly, that's exactly what I meant. well, if it's an artifact it has to be true. On the Russian project Tushino raised this same topic about Arma3, only there it was about a little bird.
алексей шумилин В Арме , послехвостовой ротор проходит мимо красным в экране инструментов , он действует примерно так же, как это было по сравнению с если бы отвело от или иным образом пострадали непоправимый ущерб . Таким образом, в этом случае , в то время , было бы лучше , чтобы увидеть прямую копию , результаты по-прежнему то же самое и не очень сильно изменится с точки зрения геймплея . Если бы это было в реальной жизни , однако, было бы сделать значительную разницу в Chinook , по меньшей мере , еслихвост ротора еще прилагается, он будет по-прежнему вращаться и , следовательно, обеспечить некоторую подъемную силу. Так как большинство вертолетов в Arma не тандем , я не думаю, что Богемия добавил в надлежащей поддержки и в любом случае , этомодом вертолет , который может обеспечить некоторые проблемы с модели полета
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callum hitchcock Тут немножко не согласен, потому как в Arma воплощён эффект авторотации, а тем более в arma3 есть тщательная настройка шага винта. Ведь обычный вертолёт в arma3 потеряв винт просто упадёт, а если он будет повреждён или просто не будет работать, то такой вертолёт можно посадить в режиме авторотации. так же и с chinook, при отсутствие 1 ротора авторотация уменьшается в двое, а при отсутствие обоих роторов, она вообще пропадает.
There are slightly disagree, because in Arma embodied effect of autorotation, and especially in arma3 there is a careful setting of the propeller pitch. After conventional helicopters in arma3 losing the screw will just fall, and if it is damaged or simply won't work, the helicopter can land in autorotation regime. so it is with chinook, in the absence 1 of the rotor autorotation is reduced to two, and in the absence of both rotors, it disappears altogether.
алексей шумилин ahah due to the fact that CZcams has translated my text into English and back again, the meaning has changed and I responded to the changed meaning of his message. = D
I wish I could join shaktak looks so cool. I love serious video games. But alas I'm under 18 which automatically makes me immature..
TheScrappySniper Gotta love the community for ruining it for everyone. While I also can't play cause of that if they dropped it shaktak would instantly become shit.
Jeff Bobbery true! Every tactical arma community has this problem but its fact that 80-90% of the 15-18 years old are definitely not mature enough.
Yeah, you have to be a fantastic pilot 100% of the time in KOTH or your name is mud haha
3:24 what is the mod name?
That's a thing that Arma 2 used to do, so... maybe CUP?
@@dslyecxi havent seen it in cup but thanks anyway
Ahh... if only multiplayer games actually worked like this but unfortunately people are too twitchy to be still and everyone would unload and run away instead.
Great points and good tips.
But dear god do I hate watching Altis videos, its such an ugly map.
Awwww man I almost cringed. Give them a good pep talk? :P
raj
Mona
I wonder what ***** has to say about this.
Headrock Probably "I wish people wouldn't confuse August and I's Australian accents like that"
*****
ROFL How do we know you're not Ghostboots in disguise though?
*****
Touché.
I've been piloting for a while in many games, and the Arma 3 community needs to learn this most of all. There are four (4) kinds of pilots in Arma 3's public community.
1. Some scrub from DayZ that thinks he knows how to fly. Fucks up landings or gets shot down more times than the total count of 100% healthy troops on the deck.
2. Nooby pilot that defers all judgment to the passengers and end result is similar to type 1.
3. Cocky pilots that CAN fly, but refuse to look at tutorials or learn more than the most basic, rudimentary skills while in control of an aircraft. Similar to type 1.
4. Pilots who know what the fuck they're doing but are either teamkilled, shot up, berated, outright insulted, or just never get any passengers because they prefer to ride with Types 1 through 3, and are told to: "Get the fuck out out of my aircraft if you refuse to accept that I am the ultimate authority of the vehicle while you are onboard."
I'd like to say I'm type 4, but I'm still not a perfect pilot and I do make mistakes under pressure. I do NOT however, make the same rookie mistakes.
tl;dr If you're in a helicopter as anything other than crew, check your privilege.
Nailed that one right on the head.
Sirisma Most annoying things:
- Cocky and loud pilots often get chosen to do most of the tasks while good pilots who only talk when they have to are often forgotten (Pilots who are clearly waiting at base for orders but the most loud one gets the job)
- Pilots who evacuate or extract teams without permission
- Leader with bad leadership and task balancing skills (Waiting a half hour for orders while another pilot gets 10 orders within 10 minutes)
- Another pilot stealing your heli
- Unclear if LZ is safe but leader of the team you need to extract to AO still wants you to land there, anyway continue for extraction. Realize LZ is unsafe. Trying to land, crash but still get blamed on.
Sometimes it's just trial and error and sometimes you just have to deal with brainless dickheads.
Ilias Joels
The sad part is that Arma 3 is almost entirely brainless dickheads outside of modded servers. I have met maybe a total of two dozen people in vanilla public servers that weren't total wastes of biomatter.
Sirisma What are you talking about? Everyone who plays A3 is either; a certified SPECOPS operator, or a Super-Pilot.... in their minds. :P
Anyway, the flipside is that there are tons of communities out there that will provide you with decent quality control and a less randomized experience. Public servers are a jungle full of monkeys.
Yes, I seem to lack your eloquence.
Awesome video!