You Bet Your Life #57-10 Debating the merits of Rock & Roll (Secret word 'Grass', Dec 12, 1957)
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- John Charles Thomas & Roberta Rene return from last week to debate Rock and Roll music. Once again, Thomas steps down from the quiz segment in favor of a serviceman from the audience, Corporal Bob Pepin.
NOTE: Most of the quiz segment for the 1st couple was lost due to recording glitch. The rest of the interview is intact. Also, please note that the audio and video go progressively out of synch starting around 8 minutes in. I couldn't fix it, but it's not too distracting until the very end. Sorry for these problems!
COUPLE #1: Kathy Gabriel, Miss Ohio / Val Christensen, mayor of Cheyenne, WY
COUPLE #2: Roberta Rene, president of the Elvis Presley Fan Club / John Charles Thomas, famous baritone
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Episode identification and basic description based on "Tell 'em Groucho Sent You", © 1997 by Mark Petty. Used by permission. - Komedie
I love the honest and flattering reactions Groucho always gives pretty young women. This was before a compliment of a woman’s femininity was interpreted as harassment.
Every woman appreciates the adoration of men. That’s what these feminists miss. Kathy passed away three years ago, and seemed to have aged gracefully with time, not fighting old age by competing with young women for men’s attention.
I’m so glad she married well and seem to have had a satisfying life🤗
idiocy
liberalism- a disease with no cure.
gibberish
BEST LINE IN TELEVISION HISTORY
"Well, can't they see me on the TV screens?"
-Kathy Gabriel
Absolutely. Shows you can have a great mind AND a great body!
For those "progressives" who say it is sexist - stop being jealous.
She knew what she had, and used it to her best ability. Brains included!
The fact WAP by that whore singer can be allowed, but this show would be definitely cancelled straight away is a travesty
Her voice was as hot as all the rest.
Miss Ohio is not only a knockout, but she has a beautiful voice as well.
Hard to believe she finished behind 4 other girls in `57 Miss America Pageant.
Sadly she past away May 25 2016 aged 79 years.
obits.cleveland.com/obituaries/cleveland/obituary.aspx?n=katherine-m-dittrick-gabriel&pid=180124152&fhid=14800
Have you seen her lately?
That strap falling down was an amazing eye grabber; a classic.
She has the best smile I’ve ever seen.
Kathy Gabriel was an angel!
She was absolutely gorgeous....and what a wonderful smile.
Oh man, her looks and voice are just amazing.
She was very beautiful!
Miss Gabriel had a million dollar smile.
@@mrliberty8468
Pretty lady for sure.
People appear to be more respectful & choose what they say more thoughtfully. Very refreshing. Groucho is a master quick thinker, makes it all come together for unique entertainment.
Good observation. And most folk today receive so many statements with deliberately instant negativity also.
Thanks Sentinel of fortune. And your comment about how negative people can be is unfortunately true.
That's his business!!!!
That's what he did and he was the best!!!!
Groucho was really on a roll tonight. Top of his game. I think I smiled or laughed through the entire show.
"Why didn't this happen 11 years ago, when I was 30 years younger." Classic.
hahah groucho was one of a kind, I still watch the Marx bros films around New years on TCM when they have their classics on.
He was the best with quick one liners, "husbands steaming u the tv sets" haha Youngg milennials are just too stupid wth their phones up their butts and chatting.
I wish I was around back then.
Women were so much more attractive then - more feminine, no fake body parts, no body piercings, no tattoos.
No drugs no boozers
No lunatic bitchy feminists...
@@happyday2440 what drugs are YOU on?
@@simonrandall5471 well they were around but didn't get much publicity
@socal rocks typical generic comeback Yawn
Damn, she’s got that real full lips & smile. The way she presents herself reminds me of Marilyn Monroe
Kathy Gabriel was unbelievably gorgeous!! Just breathtaking
No kidding, Miss Ohio is one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen!
And did you hear all the men whistling? It was a perfectly acceptable thing to do back then. In fact considered a compliment.
is she grandma ?
@cyoungrun1 You are a blind idiot. That woman is pretty much as attractive as women get.
In a bit of a twist (no pun intended) she and Elvis were in a relationship in the following year.
She died in 2016 at age 79. www.yourememberthat.com/media/18367/Kathryn_Gabriel_-_Miss_Ohio_1957/
I hope she had a chance to read these comments before she passed. She was my next-door neighbor for a year and I was close to her family for many years. She became a bleached blonde and after flirting with fame returned to her hometown of Cleveland.
Kathy Gabriel was gorgeous. Beautiful smile
Groucho would make jokes and flirt with many of the female guests, but this girl was seriously a knockout! "Show's over!" 🤣🤣
Yep , a real woman .
Nothing on this planet like that miss Ohio anymore
spaghetty smith, She was nice, but have you ever seen Louise Brooks considered the most beautiful woman on earth, past, present and future.
Soahetti Smith, On a later Groucho show Miss Norway was super gorgeous.
@@auletjohnast03638 thanks ill look it up
@@auletjohnast03638 I guess that’s why they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Miss Gabriel is one of the most beautiful girls I've ever seen
She is fabulous, what a woman, heaven sent.
And little make-up...today if they took off all their goo, some would never pass for a beauty
Agreed... she is beautiful.
Wow she is gorgeous
@@berniezuch1724 😏
Cathy came 4th in Miss USA 1957. My question is "how didn't she win ?"
Slept with the wrong people.
She didn't swallow.
Stupid people like fake blondes.
That's the t he year when I was born.
@@lewisc215 Didn't sleep with the right people!!!
5:35: "Did you ever hear of a cow that just gives buttermilk? What else could a cow give 'but her milk'. 🤣😂😅
Lol
I thought he udder milk?
I don't laugh out loud much in one sitting. But Groucho pulls it right out of me.
Same here, I think it's his honesty when speaking cynically which is so not PC.
Miss Ohio. When women were of un augmented beauty.
So, you exercise every day, eat a healthy diet, and have a strong, manly physique, devoid of fat?
…and not a tattoo in sight
Kathy Gabriel, WOW!
Thanks for uploading this. Kathy Gabriel surely was a hottie. Good Lord, what a smile!
She played in a movie with Elvis.
He probably saw this show.
She dated Elvis. Quite a few pics of them together.
Which movie was it?
I was dating in the 60s and the girls were very attractive ,glad i was born then im 72 now.
When women were real women, just look at her feminine stance which was common then. I miss those days in many ways.
@@josephstorm6093 No such thing anymore. Females have gone wild and no young man such as my 25 yr old self will ever find a real women today. Hedonism is the trademark of the modern female. Modern females may know how to win a man's attention, but in respect to men's heart Modern females get a BIG FAT F. Oh, what it'd be like, living in a time when just the physical and verbal manner a female would display would blow these Modern "women" into oblivion. It is both amusing and sad. Even history will have a hard time sorting this one out.
@@TyranyFighterPatriot It's a cesspool out there, decline of civilization, no class with broads these days, no intelligence, slaves to convention, digital drug addicts, civilized to death.
@@miguelclarke4620 Yep. I'm Mlgt0w monk mode. It's only way to survive and thrive as a true Man these days.
I agree -as a 66 yr old woman - one thing that bugs me is the lack of dresses worn & really dislike a ‘man’ wearing sneakers (running shoes) after 6 ... Miss all those boots especially!
And what’s up with guys wearing hats indoors?
I find her immensely attractive.
Mr. Bob Gray Beats the Founding Fathers babes draped in drapelike dresses, wigs, maybe hoopskoits, to Groucho speak.
She's interested in matrimony.
@@bobbywimsy6741 - doesn't beat it by much.
@@TS-qq7vr
Contemplating matrimony, I thought
Constipated on macaroni
I watch a lot of old game show reruns online. I can honestly say that Kathryn Gabriel might be the most stunningly beautiful contestant I've ever seen on any game show. (The airplane saleswoman on What's My Line from 1966 is a close second.)
Groucho was quick-witted and knew where to draw the line with adult humor.
Oh he skirted the censorship line many times.
And for all of the beauty contestant air, Miss Ohio was clearly not going to put up with him beyond a certain point.
@1Skeptik1 Yes, he made a conscious point of working with insinuation & double-entendre, jokes where the "dirty part" was understood in the imagination of the listener, without spelling it out explicitly.
Groucho was outspokenly against profanity & raw vulgarity in humor; he was actually disgusted by that, & would never have touched the kind of humor of a Lenny Bruce, or even Mel Brooks.
In one of his Dick Cavett interviews he spoke out this issue.
He did draw a line, occasionally drawing it a bit further or a bit closer, but essentially, his approach was perched right on the narrow borderline between bawdy, provocative humor & tasteful restraint.
@@LIBICU812 True, but in the 1950's the censorship line was pretty tight.
@@papagreenemusic .• Well said.
Groucho was born to be quick witted, that Cincinnati one liner is/was priceless...
Miss Ohio was from the opposite side of the state from Cincinnati.
@@dcasper8514 Cincinnati is in the south of the state. The bottom. If you listen to the joke , it makes sense
Playertobenamed
I'm very familiar with the state of Ohio. Lived
There for 22 years.
I believe he had the joke before the show, he was well briefed who the guests would be.
Woah... two people can disagree on TV and still be nice to each other, without any yelling?? This is amazing.
What a beautiful girl Miss Ohio (Miss Kathy Gabriel)....she passed away at 79 in 2016. Ms. Gabriel was 4th runner-up in Miss Universe 1957 and she posed in pictures with Elvis Presley. She was quite a beautiful girl,
If she was a runner-up then the other contestants (ahead of her) must have been amazing!
Quite a beutifull girl? Quite?!!
@@pauledmondson7071 - Yeah, quite.
What's the problem? You must have comprehension issues, Paul. Need to look that word up?
By the way, you misspelled beautiful. Don't type so fast.
Two exclamations are not needed. That's called redundancy. Need a dictionary, Shakespeare?
@@lastrada52 No johnny boy, I dont have any comprehension issues, see if you can comprehend this little riddle... you are a TNUC
Mercy. Girls were special back then . t.v. was great also.
Val the mayor died in 75. Kathy the hottie died just last year (2016).
:(
The Christensens were our next door neighbors in Cheyenne. Wild to see this.
Thanks for the update
Rip
kathy gabriel.."nature has been good to you..i mean reeeal good to you..i dont think ive seen nature spend so much time on any one person"..andy griffith
Manacurist. Eden.
Amazing to realize that today, Miss Ohio would be considered too "fat" to even think about entering a beauty contest. I'm not disparaging here; she's a very beautiful woman. Just observing how ridiculous the body standards for women have become over the years.
David Whiteis Really? According to feminists obesity is beautiful. Instead of promoting a healthy lifestyle, apparently now u don’t have to worry about your health just as long as you love your body. Hell, today we even have men entering women’s beauty pageants lol
Kathy had an hour glass figure sort of like marilyn monroe, today they would tell her to lose weight, but she was very beautiful just like that.
thats because the fashion industry is run by homosexuals that want woman to look like young boys . i dont understand modern women's obsession to be skeletons .
You are the only one to mention it
@@christopherstarr8050 In the 80s Madonna was supposedly The Expression of female sexuality. Well, she learned all of those hot scandalous moves from...a homosexual man. And guess who runs Beauty Pageants? Especially the ones for really young girls?
By the way miss Ohio didn't only pose with Elvis Presley in 1957 she dated Elvis Presley in 1957
Lucky Elvis
Who would have ever thought Groucho would outlive Elvis. By three days.
off topic idiocy.
Whoa, how weird 😳
Kathryn Gabriel, from what I could find, passed away in 2016 at age 79, making her 20 at the time this aired. She dated Elvis.
Thanks for posting these! Wow! Groucho's comedy still holds up! He is so quick! I can see why he is a comedy legend.
Miss Ohio is ultra gorgeous from ANY angle!! She took my breath away👀!!!
Miss Ohio.. Gorgeous!!!
The beauty passed away on May 25 2016 at 79 yo.
SightSeer I am sooo sorry to hear that😢 True beauty is rare nowadays🌹
Kathy Gabriel is so beautiful and even has photos taken with Elvis but in her real life she suffered more than most losing two of her children .
How did that happen? Terrible.
Sad
This was when the older generation considered rock n roll "The devil's music".
It still does consider it that!! Today!!!
I remember back in 1977 Groucho and Elvis died a couple days apart !
How funny, "the merits of rock'n'roll" and the Secret Woid is "grass"!
Lol! The second I read your comment my mind immediately went to Woodstock.
Yeah, and this was in the 50's!
@@thisisme3238 I don't get the connection or your point.
Groucho:....”wowwww...welcome to.....welcome to....BEAT IT GEORGE”....ROFL.....CLASSIC GROUCHO
What a beautiful girl. Groucho at his best. Wierd to think this girl would be about 90 if she's still with us.
No she would be only 82
@@lindaackerman3507 So it *would* be weird if she was 90 since she was only 82.
@@diyimprover6887 not weird if she was 90 but she would be 82 so that would be her current age..
Katherine (Diitrick) passed away: aged 79 May 25, 2016.
@@diyimprover6887 I did say "about 90", since I did not look up her DOB. About is a term that indicates an estimate. Since 90 is within 10% of 82, not sure why you bothered to correct an estimate. Guess it was important to you.
Roberta Rene was around 48 here, it seems unusual for someone that age to be such an Elvis fanatic at that time.. She died in 1970.
You're never too old to rock!
Miss Ohio is a babe!
Uh....was a babe 🤗
Nope, still around.
I "Miss Ohio" .
No, she passed away about a year ago. Google, 'Kathy M Gabriel Dittrick'.
Reggie1971la if you like dust and bones
John Charles Thomas really had a pleasant voice...
John C Thomas was a famous operetta singer. Passed away 3 short year after this show. Dec. 13, 1960. Due to his high spending lifestyle he died broke.
I absolutely adore Mr. John Charles Thomas ❤
What an amazing voice, and such a sweet guy
“If you’re miss Ohio then it must be chilly around Cincinnatti.” That comment went by too quick to think about it, but I think I get the point.
The second guy telling Groucho about his discuss with rock-n-roll is the same way i feel about rap music today.
Which only shows how you're a sad anachronism.
Miss Gabriel Reminds me of Phoebe Cates smile. both beautiful
That is verbatim, exactly what I thought.... exactly!!👍🏼
absolutely
To the late Kathy Gabriel, "Baby, don't do TOO good a job! You'll cause me to forget MY lines and concentrate on YOURS!"
12m58s deeply impressed that 2 people with passionately different views can share and listen to them in such a civilized and respectful way and even find something in the other to admire. I wonder if humanity will ever advance back to that level.
I wonder what became of the lovely Kathy? Sixty years on and we are still drooling over her. What a looker!
See dkfelix post
Katherine (Diitrick) passed away: aged 79 May 25, 2016.
She died in 2016!
Thomas had a good singing voice. He could do "Love Me Tender" beautifully, I'd bet.
Good people. People seemed a lot nicer and kinder back then.
"You haven't mentioned Elvis Presley.""I seldom do unless I stub my toes." Best line in the show.
completely agree.
I don't get it.
@@dcasper8514 I didn't either, going to Google it. Perhaps they didn't get on in the best way together!
@@dcasper8514 I didn't either, going to Google it. Perhaps they didn't get on in the best way together!
@@dcasper8514 he's equating "Elvis" to a curse word. Anything you shout when you stub your toe is profane
Kathy Gabriel dated Elvis in 1957 just before he was drafted. Their are photos of her at Graceland at Christmas
12:33-Groucho calls it from beyond the grave!
"Rock and Roll is here to stay." Groucho knew it in 1957.
The song came out in 1958!
And almost two decades later, Queen released A Night at the Opera and Groucho invited them to his home, where they performed the song '39.
And he and Elvis both died in 1977
@@panteraxenos4789 I remember the day Elvis passed. I was a kid and was helping my mom iron and when it came over the news I literally burned my belly with that darned iron. LoL
My God, what a beauty! She certainly was a gorgeous woman.
This was very interesting showcasing very different Era !
Groucho was a one off genius.
Grrrrr Ms Ohio. And Groucho is just pure comedy.
12:34. Hey, before Covid.
DANMARK!!!!!! Really cool to see on of us on such an old television show. :D
Val-I just walked in with her. groucho- its who walks out with her that counts. quick wit.
1:40 I'm with you, Groucho! WOW!
This new order also reflects exactly how the public would have seen these episodes 57 years ago upon airing.
There's a picture of Kathy Gabriel with Elvis at Gaceland.
Kathy was stunning. Groucho was on great form despite being distracted.
This is outrageous enough to seem like a skit. Hilarious!
what a hottie!
Ken Steiger And the girl is pretty, too.
Hard to believe but when they were filming this they were in the middle of a pandemic the way we are now. The Asian Flu of 1957-58 killed between 70,000 and 116,000 Americans. It came from China too. They had to race to come up with a vaccine. All the same stuff we are going through now. There were Navy sailors that got infected aboard ships. Very similar type deal.
Thats amazing to hear....Different breed of people back then. These people lived through the depression so everything else is probably just rainbows and lolipops
Thx. For once I was not aware of that:)))
There were no lockdowns and closing small businesses 😡😡😡
@@stevesosebee5860 Because back then we were smart, now its a bunch of woke retards focused on colors
Wow!
"Rock and Roll is here to stay." Groucho was quite right.
Title of a song by Danny and the Juniors released in January 1958, a month after this show as a follow-up to their 1957 hit "At the Hop" and much-covered later by, e.g., Sha Na Na in 1969 - and later, as "Johnny Casino and the Gamblers", in the movie _Grease_ (1978).
It did die and progressed into rock .
I was born 13 days after this episode,Xmas Day 1957.
I was born 13 years after this show.
Me too😉 1957 💕
Holy crap, Miss Ohio lost her strap at the end of the first round! Is this the first reference to "cheesecake" on TV?!
Elvis became world famous after this episode. Funny how the world works. Rip Elvis and Groucho.! My favorite entertainers.
"Welcome to...(beat it, George, will you?)..." lol
So that is what one of my relatives was doing in 1957, a great shop helping out the lovely Miss Ohio, and I think my Dad wrote some of those jokes.
LazlosPlane, gangster rap REALLY IS the threat that folks in the 50s thought rock & roll would be.
Try using the "Reply" feature, please. Comments in reply to someone else make no sense to anyone if you leave your replies as totally separate, disconnected posts. Thank you.
+Groucho Marx - You Bet Your Life gotta ck with Lazlo
Joe Bob I knew what he was referring to, thanks-- he was referring to a really stupid comment by LazlosPlane. But most viewers aren't going to read 50+ comments just to understand what Mark was referring to here. That's why there's a reply button.
Damn true!
It's so something how the old man chose to put down not only Elvis but Rock n Roll music because people at that time and far into the 70's and way beyond. that loved Elvis Presley and his singing of Rock n Roll so much that and Elvis was crowned King of Rock n Roll. Elvis and his music has been loved by millions and millions way back then and even today in 2022. That old man would be shocked out of his pants. I love some country music too. Cuz the beautiful thing about Elvis is Elvis never criticized or put down anybody or their music. That's one the great things about Elvis Presley amongst other things.
Elvis saw this episode, made inquiries about Kathy and they dated for a while.
'Grass',is the secret word for a debate on Rock n Roll?
Groucho was so quick and a great interview and made guys like Letterman look like bozo's.
👀
Exactly!
Nothing can beat his top 10
Only Jay Leno came close.
@@papagen00 Agree Jay was funny and sharp. His late night show was the only one I liked after Johnny retired. The ones now suck and are unwatchable.
The beautiful Kathy was not really Miss Ohio. A win in the Miss Ohio contest led to an appearance in the Miss America pageant ,not the Miss Universe. She was, in fact "Miss Ohio Universe" A whole different ball game. She surely deserved to win.
Nicco Romanos' 3rd appearance and 2nd time coming down as the duck! =^^= (from 0628 / #55-28)
Elvis dated Miss Ohio.. and eerily enuff both Groucho and Elvis died the same year, 1977.
Oh Meo Mio, Miss Ohio!
Drop dead GORGEOUS!!!!
One STRAP DOWN and one to go!
LOL. The first time it fell down was at 9:09, but the mayor got in the way. :O))
Lovely. Thank you.
Just the tiniest amount of vitriol,admittedly lighthearted, aimed at RnR in the early days...but interesting because the lady is obviously aware of the ingredients that preceded, and which eventually evolved into, Rock n Roll.
Rock qi. Roll died in 1974!!!?