Luna Rossa Sails look so much nicer in grey rather than black. I know it's anal, but there's not much more to comment on these boats and the racing. And that's the 3rd time in a row that Jimmy Spithill has got a penalty for the boat he is helming.....
@@Coconautifyormai era chiaro che non si poteva piu fare nulla mi dai una penalita alla fine del quinto lato. Vabbe l imporyante è vincete le regate che contano
Inutile recriminare, come leggo, sulle penalità, sono una parte importante del gioco ed i nostri sono stati molto più polli che sfortunati, spero che gli sia di insegnamento per il prosieguo. Buone impressioni sulla velocità della barca, ma è troppo presto per dare delle valutazioni definitive sulle varie barche. (... certo che a me Paul Cayard mi manca 😊)
I kiwi potevano rischiare di più oggi, se avessero danneggiato la barca non sarebbe stato un gran problema per loro. La loro tattica è stata estremamente aggressiva, quasi da finali di ottobre. Noi oggi non potevamo permettercelo visto l'imminente inizio delle gare vere!
@@itpeople888 no, nell'ultima sono comunque i kiwi che orzano per cercare il rombo di LR invece di poggiare, la manovra di Prada non era così rischiosa, erano avanti abbastanza comodamente.
Im Kiwi and glad we won but LR got ripped off on that 2nd penalty its clear that we did not give LR enough room when we made that tack as it was clear that LR could not do anything else that rule should change and that 3rd penalty was 50/50 i feel we were givien that race respect to LR and lets go team NZ..
it is clear that today there are only 3 boats capable of competing. Aside from the errors and penalties that are part of the game, only one boat recovered 500 meters to NZ. Congratulations Kiwis, see you soon! IT ♥LRPP
@@SoaaJr When I feel sad seeing that many of my fellow citizens lack sporting culture, I console myself by seeing that in other countries, even after receiving congratulations, the situation is even worse.
Got to think that Team NZ were just practicing their close racing techniques. The boat is faster as the final leg shows. 80 meters becomes 480 just like that.
And they massively over laid the last downwind mark sailing what looked like another 100m. Either a massive mistake or was intentional to get closer racing. That accounted for most of the meters LRP caught up.
🤣🤣🤣 delusional comment. So in your opinion LR lose 200 mt in 10 seconds in the last leg because of ETNZ boat speed? They started the engine?? That’s so funny! And I suppose that with American Magic you let them win 🤣🤣🤣, but how generous! What braggarts you are. We’ll see.
I really do not understand the penalty on leg 5. TNZ tacked way too close, PRPP had to bear away to avoid a collision. I thought the penalty should have gone to the kiwis for tacking too close.
New Zealand had the right of way ,so Luna Rossa was to close. All the penalties were following to close. So there is a protective bubble around each boat and for safety reasons (a collision) the other boat cannot encroach. Thumbs up for Prada for taking it to the edge. Unfortunately, they crossed the line hence the penalties.
@@DavidRHill23 la terza penalità era molto borderline... rimane il fatto che tolte le penalità e il vantaggio da esse derivate, la coppa America quest'anno è molto aperta.
Now THAT'S what you would call a drag race 👏🏽👏🏽 🎉. Congrats Team NZ. Regardless of the penalties, we can all expect these boats & teams to perform & race to conditions, rules & regulations. Up The Wahs. 😜👍🏼
Even for the first 5 legs, bit of an over stand at the 4th mark made it unnecessarily close. When ETNZ just sailed to VMG (as Outerridge says on comms) instead of covering on the last leg, they had huge pace, you can see the boat twitching and the lead meters growing.
So basically in the second penalty italy try to engage from below and force a tak, but get too close to TNZ. In the third pen TNZ engage italy from below (out of diamond this time) and proceed to luff till enter the diamond, Luna Rossa has to keep clear and when she finally tak is already late and get the pen, correct? How many seconds have the upwind boat to tak once TNZ establish the engage from below? With traditional sailing boat everything is slower and you can have ...what? 3 seconds before the other have to react? what about here? It looks very fast to my naive eyes
Luna Rossa is a great team, so are the kiwis. Prada will have to be more disciplined too many penalties. Great round great racing. It is going to be interesting to see which teams improve the boats and tactics in the next round. It is a lot closer than it appears, great fun.
@@sarago63Not when you've been runners up to ETNZ for the last 3 AC regatta's.....& that could've been 4 AC campaigns. That 1 in 2014 still hurts. Up 4 nil in best of 9 races & in the 5th race, time elapses for race duration. Dean Barker & ETNZ were 30secs from the finish, with LR more than a minute behind(still can't forget that Spithills smug grin once the committee made the announcement). Been loving seeing his face😢😢 ever since 2017 racing the Catamaran's.
Just an uneducated question: how does one determine who has "the right of way"? Ahead vs Behind? Upwind vs Downwind? Because it seems to me Luna Rossa was always the one getting penalties regardless of the situation.
Basically the boat on starboard (with wind coming over right hand side) has right of way. Also the windward boat needs to keep clear of the leeward boat.
That’s because there is no simple answer to your question. It depends on multiple factors in any situation, and that is what makes it difficult and interesting. The Rules are nevertheless carefully written and have evolved in such a way that there is virtually always only one right answer to every situation. I don’t think there were any penalties today which a reasonable coach would take issue with.
Actually on rewatching, I think the second Is controversial. I would love to see a clip from the umpires explaining it, and giving their honest opinion with further analysis and the luxury of no time pressure as to whether they still considered it valid.
Todays racing was tense as F#*k its not just the opppsition but the sea state and inconsistent wind, one fluffed or slightly average manouvre and the lead can change, you cant relax.
22:22 you know it's a dodgy call when Glenn Ashby,AC winner with NZ, says the Kiws are vulnerable and doesn't understand why the Italians were penalized...
some decent explanation from the commentary team would help a lot of us landlubbers to understand the technical start penalty and other details that make the race understandable. Isn't that what the commentators are supposed to do???
Well that wasn't boring! Interesting concept of having a diamond but I guess essential at these speeds. LR looks really good and put the Kiwi's on their toes thought they have got to get on top of the match racing and avoid the penalties all of which were unnecessary.
@@matthewleet9882 I'm hoping so too. There's every chance they are holding sleeves and playing cat n mouse, for sure If this showing is pure honesty then gains definitely need to be made
I do not get the rules. Emirates cut the way of Luna Rossa and Luna Rossa get the penalty. When Luna ROssa did exactly the same, they got the penalty again.
You need to read up on the rules and watch more match racing. Then, they will become apparent. Luna Rossa pushed to the limit of the laws and, unfortunately, cross them. Hence Penalties. Apart from that best race of the Regatta.
Complimenti a LR !na non devono e non si sono nascosti,semplicemente ha fatto un po di cavolate sphitill!Saranno tirate,e la partenza decide tutto!ma che nascosti.....
I'm loving this banter. I thought it was only reserved for an Allblacks loss - of course everyone has an opinion when their team "looses". With sailing there are many vagaries that can make a difference, the wind, sea, tide etc. That know one has control over. As the commentators alluded to (who generally are quite balanced) mentioned the "sea state" a lot. And lets not forget, NZ forfeited sailing in their own back yard by taking it off shore to a neutral area, that is risky to me. No one knows anything until the end of the Americas cup. Nor sure what you all think, but I love the mono hulls over the cats
Luna rossa ha recuperato 500 mt dopo la penalità. Ripresi e sorpassati. Non fosse stata per la terza penalità si sarebbe portata a casa la vittoria. La barca è più veloce. Ci sono alcune cose da aggiustate tra l'equipaggio ma per il resto ci siamo. Nzl non ha più il vantaggio della scorsa edizione e la partita è aperta.
Appunto. Il problema è tra l'equipaggio. Però questa volta non c'è il gap della barca della scorsa edizione. La nostra è più veloce. Oggi chi portava la barca sembrava su un altro pianeta. E va bene che non era la gara vera e propria, ma dalla prox settimana devono svegliarsi!
Fate festa ragazzi, ETNZ non aveva nulla da perdere ed hanno navigato come assassini. Noi tra quattro giorni dobbiamo giocarci l'ingresso alle semifinali e dovevamo avere un approccio soft. Non so se ricordate ma nel 2021 contro NZ in finale abbiamo vinto la maggior parte dei duelli, a parità di barca avremmo portato a casa la brocca. L'equipaggio è lo stesso. Inoltre non sappiamo se ETNZ oggi ci ha solo voluto tener vicini per fare un po' di match racing... È ancora tutto da vedere.
@@pakoottox262 non credo che si siano nascosti perché gli piace dimostrare la loro superiorità. E poi stavo vedendo la velocità di poppa e bolina. Non sono superiori
Very small mistakes apart from the last one where LR should have tacked away earlier. It really comes down to the umpires giving penalties for pretty tiny diamond infringements. However LR got 1 penalty, got behind NZL more than 400m, then came back with a vengeance, overtook NZL, took another penalty, overtook NZL again and took again the final penalty that put an end to the regatta. Who was faster today?
Lo sa anche Peter Burling che manco sceso da Taihoro si è subito sbrigato a dire che Luna Rossa si era fatta sotto per due salti di vento presi. Ma come fa uno che è davanti in controllo a lasciare due salti di vento all’avversario dietro? Burling ci vuole far credere che loro non abbiano visto i salti! Burling sugli specchi! Sono più lenti ma lo sapevano anche prima… dai primi incroci nei mesi scorsi nelle prove in acqua.
Who was faster today? The boat crossing the finish line first.Obviously. Spithill is the Max Vesrpatten of sailing. Good, but not the best. Takes too many unmanageable risks, the kind that if it works you are a hero, if it does not you are a fool. I think he has fallen into the fools column one too many times. I have followed AC racing for decades and that boy makes some highly questionable decisions at the most inopportune times. At this level you either are a complete skipper ( and in my humble there is only one complete skipper: Peter Burling ) or you will be tasting dirty air when the chips are down. If you look at Burling's face and body language you see a skipper who knows what is ahead and has already planned for that event. Every other skipper is sitting at the edge of his knowledge base, trying to make the best "guess". The difference between Team New Zealand and the others is simple. The other teams are racing against TNZ .TNZ races against itself. To deny what you have seen with your own eyes and blame the penalties for LR's shortcomings in their race planning and execution while negating TNZ's record setting performance in disingenuous at best. Surely, without the penalties this would have been a very closer race and LR could have very well won it but, this is something we will never know since the race is OVER and already on the books . TNZ won.Spithill performed the greatest comeback in sailing history according to many. Regardless of what is said and done and all the allegations of cheating on the part of Team Oracle,the political pressures of not losing the "Americas Cup" at home - unthinkable - and all conspiracy theories surrounding that event... it is OVER. The moment is gone. Since that day way back in 2013, Mr, Spithill still has not (imho) shed the weight of that "comeback" and is racing a ghost while being schooled by Burling & Co over and over again. May the winds be in his favor...finally.
Was luna Rosa faster or were the kiwis using this preliminary race as a hard practice and letting them past , that is the question. Luna Risa passed them twice but the kiwis still won right so that means the kiwis passed them 3 times to win Once at the start and 2 more times during the race . Hmmm who was faster eh??
@@fernandosousa4657credo che la domanda fosse, considerando che TNZ ha la barca e l'equipaggio al top, e visto che durante le regate nessuno ha recuperato un distacco importante come quello di TNZ se non per guasti o errori, la vittoria è giocabile? O chi è davanti vince? Come con TNZ e America Magic? Poi una barca argento arriva seconda fosse di bronzo terza😂 Un 👋👋
Wow, if this is anything to go by, Italy are going to be the challengers for the America's Cup once again. They were penalized 3 times in this grand final race though, or they probably should have won. New Zealand had a reasonably healthy lead after Italy were penalized before the start line, but Italy kept chipping away at it well. I'd actually book Italy as favorites. to take both cups.
23:54 you can here the pain of that penalty. Starts with f ends with uck. Great race tho. I can't wait for these two to battle it out for the auld mug. ( Such a pity we didnt get this day 1 when lrpp had that systems shutdown)
I miss the days of real sailing yachts with crews handling the sheets, deploying and stowing spinnakers on the downwind legs. Not computer and hydraulically driven aquatic formula 1 cars where more often than not whoever leads at the start wins. Let's have actual regatta's where it's more than just a one-on-one.
@@petergrundy8081 the kiwi a are just inflated balloons 🤣. We’ll see … it looks like you won the AC. In every case congratulations bacause uiu are strong to be an arabic emirates team. 👏👏👏👏 bravi! 🤣
Indeed I can't figure out what other maneuver LR wa supposed to do in order to avoid that third penality. The two other penalities were pretty straghtfoward. Ps: thanks for the honesty.
Rules say that a boat cannot turn in front of another boat "inside his wather" (of navigation). NZ turning in front of LR, penalty for LR. Judges today showed well why NZ was capable to hold the Cup so much time.
Was tnz on port tack, so that gives them right of way , luna Rosa was suppose to give way under the rules and did it to late and I think tnz turned towards them outside the safety distance as well. If so penalty was Lunas fault for not turning away quicker.
@@brettmciver432 As soon as you start tacking you loose the "right of way". Luna rossa had to bear away because ETNZ finished the tack too close. What else could LR do? On the other hand, the second penalty was fair. LR was too late in keeping clear
@andreaschneider6001 Tnz had finished the tack way before so again luna Rissa just ballsed up the right of way rule and left it to late . Both were correct.
LR are so fast in those conditions. It seems that they could have sailed around ETNZ. ETNZ have a lot to do before the finals. LR, USA and Ineos will be match hardened come the finals.
Trumpian comment. If you had the faster boat, how about managing it better so you are not violating the rules? Ever count how many penalties LR's team has had over the time Spithill has been at the helm? The guy sometimes seems to be completely unaware. Wanna win races? Get a real skipper.
@@fernandosousa4657don’t worry about our skipper. Good for you that you are so confident, so let’s see if we’ll be albe to win the LVC and in that case we’ll meet again in the final. American Magic is good too so we look forward to that. Better don’t act so cocky…
It Is sad for the show but the diamond rule must stay, otherwise the game would get too costly and dangerous. I would just let the horses run and deliver the penalties at the EOR, so to save the show and be sure the umpires do not incurr in errors having to judge so quickly,
je ne comprends pas les règles des pénalités et comment celles ci sont appliquées. ceux qui naviguent sur tribord prioritaire de ceux de bâbord.Ok. la dernière prise par Luna Rossa me parait bizarre. si nz continuait droit alors LR pouvait coupé derriere. Mais Nz vire babord juste devant et pour les eviter LR sert au prêt ou est le problème ? C'est quoi la conséquence (la sanction) d'une pénalité ?
@@andreav.8206 First penalty in the pre start was a port/starboard infringement. Kiwis did a dial down an ITA didn’t keep clear. Second penalty was the boat coming from behind has to keep clear before establishing the overlap. Third penalty was a windward/leeward infringement. Kiwis was the leeward boat with overlap and ITA had to keep clear.
In pratica le regole del match race (gara a 2),prevedono un corpo a corpo,se vogliamo dire,allo scopo di togliere il vento all' avversario o altresì indurlo a sbagliare il controllo della barca e a non rispettare il diritto di rotta,o magari non rispettare le giuste tra le barche. E purtroppo con una barca veloce come Luna Rossa è molto facile sbagliare..... ma' se restiamo concentrati e regatiamo come sappiamo fare i Kiwi ce li mangiamo nella macedonia 😂😂😂😂
Question, Does the former All Black , Sir John Kirwan have a son ,Luca Kirwan ,who is a cyclor for The Italian Americas cup team Luna Rossi Prada Pirelli Yeam
The audio track is still way to mixed and jumbled. Remove the "commentators" completely (they don't have anything useful to add, except for announcing penalties, lets be honest), and we'll have a much better show.
HAHA At the 23.48 min mark you can here spithill say Fuuuuuuuk hahahahah
Close competition, excellent racing, this is what we want!!!
Luna Rossa Sails look so much nicer in grey rather than black.
I know it's anal, but there's not much more to comment on these boats and the racing.
And that's the 3rd time in a row that Jimmy Spithill has got a penalty for the boat he is helming.....
What we want is Bring it Home )
Although New Zealand are very hard to beat you never ever want to under estimate Prada, fantastic racing alright!
@@user-oe1mb9hu9i sails are grey ‘cause are Made different from all the other teams. That’s one of the “secret wespons” … and it’s too late to copy.
Wow NZ, What surgical precision and composure. A delight to watch.
Recuperati 400 mt di svantaggio, bene barca ed equipaggio 👏👏
Yes but Team NZ put that 400m back at the end of the race.
@@Coconautifyormai era chiaro che non si poteva piu fare nulla mi dai una penalita alla fine del quinto lato. Vabbe l imporyante è vincete le regate che contano
@@torome1812at the end LR couldn’t catch NZ
@@SoaaJr vedremo
@@torome1812 yeah
Inutile recriminare, come leggo, sulle penalità, sono una parte importante del gioco ed i nostri sono stati molto più polli che sfortunati, spero che gli sia di insegnamento per il prosieguo.
Buone impressioni sulla velocità della barca, ma è troppo presto per dare delle valutazioni definitive sulle varie barche.
(... certo che a me Paul Cayard mi manca 😊)
E no,l'ultima,no!
I kiwi potevano rischiare di più oggi, se avessero danneggiato la barca non sarebbe stato un gran problema per loro.
La loro tattica è stata estremamente aggressiva, quasi da finali di ottobre.
Noi oggi non potevamo permettercelo visto l'imminente inizio delle gare vere!
@@pakoottox262 c è da dire che le penalità sono arrivate in quanto è stata luna rossa a mettere a rischio le imbarcazioni.
@@itpeople888 no, nell'ultima sono comunque i kiwi che orzano per cercare il rombo di LR invece di poggiare, la manovra di Prada non era così rischiosa, erano avanti abbastanza comodamente.
Well you's hired Spittal good luck
Thanks to the umpires for delivering us such a nice race, otherwise it would have been yet another boring solo...
Im Kiwi and glad we won but LR got ripped off on that 2nd penalty its clear that we did not give LR enough room when we made that tack as it was clear that LR could not do anything else that rule should change and that 3rd penalty was 50/50 i feel we were givien that race respect to LR and lets go team NZ..
BS we weren't given it. The rule is the rule.
That was definitely a Cristiano Ronaldo type foul on NZs part
@@daviddickinson6346you were given a biased interpretation of that rule )
@@heydddd respect from an
italian
so you are saying you know more than the officials?,it doesnt matter what you think the rules are the rules.
Wow an awesome race by both teams; so exciting.
This is what I've been waiting for! How good was that! 🎉 LR undone by the penalties. TNZ match racing antics too good on the day. 😊🎉
What we've been waiting for is Bring it Home )
Take that Jimmy 😂. Well done ETNZ 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿
it is clear that today there are only 3 boats capable of competing. Aside from the errors and penalties that are part of the game, only one boat recovered 500 meters to NZ. Congratulations Kiwis, see you soon!
IT ♥LRPP
Team New Zealand also were slower than American Magic today
and in the end LR could not catch ETNZ
@@SoaaJr When I feel sad seeing that many of my fellow citizens lack sporting culture, I console myself by seeing that in other countries, even after receiving congratulations, the situation is even worse.
@@imjmones ha ha, just wait till the kiwis let the hand brake off, there’re just toying with the opposition at the mo “ cat n mouse stuff.
@@skidmarkscar9082 yes, believe it. 🤣 sure we’ll see.
Got to think that Team NZ were just practicing their close racing techniques.
The boat is faster as the final leg shows. 80 meters becomes 480 just like that.
And they massively over laid the last downwind mark sailing what looked like another 100m. Either a massive mistake or was intentional to get closer racing. That accounted for most of the meters LRP caught up.
Ssshhhhh 😜
🤣🤣🤣 delusional comment. So in your opinion LR lose 200 mt in 10 seconds in the last leg because of ETNZ boat speed? They started the engine?? That’s so funny! And I suppose that with American Magic you let them win 🤣🤣🤣, but how generous! What braggarts you are. We’ll see.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 probably ETNZ has smt else to put in the boat. But this comment just looks like a supporter illusion.
They took it easy on the last leg knew they had it
Fantastic race!
19:22 massive over lay by ETNZ gave up 200m to LRPP… unusual mistake or intentional over lay of the lay line.
Congrats, kiwis 🥝
I really do not understand the penalty on leg 5. TNZ tacked way too close, PRPP had to bear away to avoid a collision. I thought the penalty should have gone to the kiwis for tacking too close.
@@randymcmeekin1955 That's why cameras are everywhere to spot those mistakes wether team nz or Parada.
New Zealand had the right of way ,so Luna Rossa was to close. All the penalties were following to close. So there is a protective bubble around each boat and for safety reasons (a collision) the other boat cannot encroach. Thumbs up for Prada for taking it to the edge. Unfortunately, they crossed the line hence the penalties.
A penalty is the other team fouling or breaking the rules. That's sports!😮
So who is the other team ? lol. the whole interest of sailing is pushing your opponent to commit a mistake.....
you can't sail very much.
I thinking the same
@@user-oe1mb9hu9i 👏Standing ovation
you obviously dont know the tactics that go into racing theres a reason why NZ are the back to back world champions
@@Trajan2401 Ooops. Sorry. Just talking to a 6mJI judge you are... LOL.
Come on cyclors cyclors harder and harder. Proud of yous cyclors of Kiwi boat... Nice race for two boats Luna Rosa and Kiwi ETNZ.❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊
So the kiwis need three penalties to beat Luna Rossa, two are not enough. 😂
@@CapitanHarlockisback 3 penalties
😂 👏👏👏👏
Jimmy was loose and TNZ exploited his sloppiness. LR didn't 'give' anything, TNZ took those penalties
@@DavidRHill23 la terza penalità era molto borderline... rimane il fatto che tolte le penalità e il vantaggio da esse derivate, la coppa America quest'anno è molto aperta.
TNZ boat is not as it will be when americas cup starts
Can we have vmg shown it would make it far more interesting to watch. Also wind speed .
Also lap number at all times.
Great race to watch. Im sure both teams gained a lot out of that one.
Now THAT'S what you would call a drag race 👏🏽👏🏽 🎉. Congrats Team NZ.
Regardless of the penalties, we can all expect these boats & teams to perform & race to conditions, rules & regulations.
Up The Wahs. 😜👍🏼
🎉🎉🎉 👏 👏 👏 🎉🎉🎉
❤ 🇳🇿 TEAM NEW ZEALAND 🇳🇿 ❤️ have a safe trip home Well-done
Even for the first 5 legs, bit of an over stand at the 4th mark made it unnecessarily close.
When ETNZ just sailed to VMG (as Outerridge says on comms) instead of covering on the last leg, they had huge pace, you can see the boat twitching and the lead meters growing.
@@jameslittle8891 data tells clearly LR was faster. Watch mozzy sail if you don’t believe it. Data not opinions.
@@paolopuglisi8443nah NZ are better and faster thats why they are back to back world champs.
So basically in the second penalty italy try to engage from below and force a tak, but get too close to TNZ. In the third pen TNZ engage italy from below (out of diamond this time) and proceed to luff till enter the diamond, Luna Rossa has to keep clear and when she finally tak is already late and get the pen, correct? How many seconds have the upwind boat to tak once TNZ establish the engage from below? With traditional sailing boat everything is slower and you can have ...what? 3 seconds before the other have to react? what about here? It looks very fast to my naive eyes
Ridiculness the penalty n.2 and 3 to Luna Rossa
Luna Rossa is a great team, so are the kiwis. Prada will have to be more disciplined too many penalties. Great round great racing. It is going to be interesting to see which teams improve the boats and tactics in the next round. It is a lot closer than it appears, great fun.
Congrats NZL see you soon 💪! LR forever
Nothing lasts forever, you're digging yourself a hole
@@icetroll734 ha ha ha .....silver bullet is the best
NZ rule the Americas cup 💪.
@@sarago63Not when you've been runners up to ETNZ for the last 3 AC regatta's.....& that could've been 4 AC campaigns. That 1 in 2014 still hurts. Up 4 nil in best of 9 races & in the 5th race, time elapses for race duration. Dean Barker & ETNZ were 30secs from the finish, with LR more than a minute behind(still can't forget that Spithills smug grin once the committee made the announcement). Been loving seeing his face😢😢 ever since 2017 racing the Catamaran's.
Great to see a bit of VMG coming in thanks.
...why do they show it so rarely during the races?? Last edition it was almost always there.....😕😔
Beside a fast boat and a great crew, it looks like NZ has a strong team of lawyers
Just an uneducated question: how does one determine who has "the right of way"? Ahead vs Behind? Upwind vs Downwind? Because it seems to me Luna Rossa was always the one getting penalties regardless of the situation.
Basically the boat on starboard (with wind coming over right hand side) has right of way. Also the windward boat needs to keep clear of the leeward boat.
To remove sailing jargon, Left gives way to Right and Upwind gives way to Downwind
Kiwis had right of way then.wind was coming over their right side
That’s because there is no simple answer to your question. It depends on multiple factors in any situation, and that is what makes it difficult and interesting. The Rules are nevertheless carefully written and have evolved in such a way that there is virtually always only one right answer to every situation. I don’t think there were any penalties today which a reasonable coach would take issue with.
Actually on rewatching, I think the second Is controversial. I would love to see a clip from the umpires explaining it, and giving their honest opinion with further analysis and the luxury of no time pressure as to whether they still considered it valid.
Now that’s boat racing!
Dopo anni di allenamento prendere 3 penalità in una finale è sconvolgente. Così non si vincerà mai! Max Sirena devi cambiare qualcosa!
Todays racing was
tense as F#*k its not just the opppsition but the sea state and inconsistent wind, one fluffed or slightly average manouvre and the lead can change, you cant relax.
22:22 you know it's a dodgy call when Glenn Ashby,AC winner with NZ, says the Kiws are vulnerable and doesn't understand why the Italians were penalized...
some decent explanation from the commentary team would help a lot of us landlubbers to understand the technical start penalty and other details that make the race understandable. Isn't that what the commentators are supposed to do???
Which commentary team? ESPN's did a very clear replay.
Well that wasn't boring! Interesting concept of having a diamond but I guess essential at these speeds. LR looks really good and put the Kiwi's on their toes thought they have got to get on top of the match racing and avoid the penalties all of which were unnecessary.
Emirates Team NZ Bring That Win 🏆 You’ve Got It To Be Champions 🎉
We have a winner 🏆
Win is a win is a win
So glad we won that
Feels awesome winning
Winner's are grinners 😊
There a winner's.
And that's it
na le leggi in mare sono cambiate? mure a dritta non ha precedenza su mura a sinistra? perché TNZL non ha preso penalitá?
Xche sono i detentori
@@gastonecogato4886 annamo bbene ;)))
Im a NZ man and fan but right now i think LR have the edge
Disagree I think Emirates has more to offer.
@@matthewleet9882 I'm hoping so too.
There's every chance they are holding sleeves and playing cat n mouse, for sure
If this showing is pure honesty then gains definitely need to be made
You must be drinking too much swamp water, bro 😂😂
@@matthewleet9882LR has the edge because even if they lose they can still buy the event of Dalton. Just like Saudi Arabia has.
@@Albert_Br 😂 and ETNZ will win again
great racing
I do not get the rules. Emirates cut the way of Luna Rossa and Luna Rossa get the penalty. When Luna ROssa did exactly the same, they got the penalty again.
You need to read up on the rules and watch more match racing. Then, they will become apparent. Luna Rossa pushed to the limit of the laws and, unfortunately, cross them. Hence Penalties. Apart from that best race of the Regatta.
Not exactly, no
Um ok basically Team NZ smashed Luna Rossa too fast too good too easy
i can see you are a casual 😂
This was SOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH FUN!!!!!!!!!! C’MON LR!!!
Luna Rossa ti amo 💚🤍❤
Luna rossa nettamente più veloce. Alla fine hanno mollato per nascondere il vero potenziale.
Complimenti a LR !na non devono e non si sono nascosti,semplicemente ha fatto un po di cavolate sphitill!Saranno tirate,e la partenza decide tutto!ma che nascosti.....
Great race!
I'm loving this banter. I thought it was only reserved for an Allblacks loss - of course everyone has an opinion when their team "looses". With sailing there are many vagaries that can make a difference, the wind, sea, tide etc. That know one has control over. As the commentators alluded to (who generally are quite balanced) mentioned the "sea state" a lot. And lets not forget, NZ forfeited sailing in their own back yard by taking it off shore to a neutral area, that is risky to me. No one knows anything until the end of the Americas cup. Nor sure what you all think, but I love the mono hulls over the cats
Great race, Shirley
Sorry Fransisco. Sorry. Nice race two teams well done .❤❤❤❤
Luna rossa ha recuperato 500 mt dopo la penalità. Ripresi e sorpassati. Non fosse stata per la terza penalità si sarebbe portata a casa la vittoria. La barca è più veloce. Ci sono alcune cose da aggiustate tra l'equipaggio ma per il resto ci siamo. Nzl non ha più il vantaggio della scorsa edizione e la partita è aperta.
L'equipaggio di Luna Rossa fa troppi errori ma la barca sembra veloce...ce la possono fare stavolta se stanno piu' concentrati
Il problema siamo noi che non impariamo mai dai nostri errori. I timonieri sembrerebbe che remano😂 contro l'equipaggio
Appunto. Il problema è tra l'equipaggio. Però questa volta non c'è il gap della barca della scorsa edizione. La nostra è più veloce. Oggi chi portava la barca sembrava su un altro pianeta. E va bene che non era la gara vera e propria, ma dalla prox settimana devono svegliarsi!
Fate festa ragazzi, ETNZ non aveva nulla da perdere ed hanno navigato come assassini. Noi tra quattro giorni dobbiamo giocarci l'ingresso alle semifinali e dovevamo avere un approccio soft.
Non so se ricordate ma nel 2021 contro NZ in finale abbiamo vinto la maggior parte dei duelli, a parità di barca avremmo portato a casa la brocca. L'equipaggio è lo stesso.
Inoltre non sappiamo se ETNZ oggi ci ha solo voluto tener vicini per fare un po' di match racing... È ancora tutto da vedere.
@@pakoottox262 non credo che si siano nascosti perché gli piace dimostrare la loro superiorità. E poi stavo vedendo la velocità di poppa e bolina. Non sono superiori
Th only thing which could possibly exceed these races, is a whole bunch MORE races.
I wish I had more upvotes to give.
Penalty Italy Penalty Italy Penalty Italy Penalty Italy Penalty Italy Penalty Italy ; ma andate afff ...
It was like watching F1 with time penalties to Ocon.
So true. I turned it off.
Si les bateaux se touchent à ces vitesses c’est le carnage assuré !
@@flo475644 ok but decisions were only in one direction, also in the race with Alinghi (have a look)
Eh... é sempre Jimmy Spithill 4 volte di seguito ....
Kiwi doesn’t need penalty to win they’re above the rest
Very small mistakes apart from the last one where LR should have tacked away earlier. It really comes down to the umpires giving penalties for pretty tiny diamond infringements. However LR got 1 penalty, got behind NZL more than 400m, then came back with a vengeance, overtook NZL, took another penalty, overtook NZL again and took again the final penalty that put an end to the regatta. Who was faster today?
Who was faster today?
That's the point. NZL can't always rely on penalties
Lo sa anche Peter Burling che manco sceso da Taihoro si è subito sbrigato a dire che Luna Rossa si era fatta sotto per due salti di vento presi.
Ma come fa uno che è davanti in controllo a lasciare due salti di vento all’avversario dietro? Burling ci vuole far credere che loro non abbiano visto i salti! Burling sugli specchi!
Sono più lenti ma lo sapevano anche prima… dai primi incroci nei mesi scorsi nelle prove in acqua.
Who was faster today? The boat crossing the finish line first.Obviously. Spithill is the Max Vesrpatten of sailing. Good, but not the best. Takes too many unmanageable risks, the kind that if it works you are a hero, if it does not you are a fool. I think he has fallen into the fools column one too many times. I have followed AC racing for decades and that boy makes some highly questionable decisions at the most inopportune times. At this level you either are a complete skipper ( and in my humble there is only one complete skipper: Peter Burling ) or you will be tasting dirty air when the chips are down. If you look at Burling's face and body language you see a skipper who knows what is ahead and has already planned for that event. Every other skipper is sitting at the edge of his knowledge base, trying to make the best "guess". The difference between Team New Zealand and the others is simple. The other teams are racing against TNZ .TNZ races against itself. To deny what you have seen with your own eyes and blame the penalties for LR's shortcomings in their race planning and execution while negating TNZ's record setting performance in disingenuous at best. Surely, without the penalties this would have been a very closer race and LR could have very well won it but, this is something we will never know since the race is OVER and already on the books . TNZ won.Spithill performed the greatest comeback in sailing history according to many. Regardless of what is said and done and all the allegations of cheating on the part of Team Oracle,the political pressures of not losing the "Americas Cup" at home - unthinkable - and all conspiracy theories surrounding that event... it is OVER. The moment is gone. Since that day way back in 2013, Mr, Spithill still has not (imho) shed the weight of that "comeback" and is racing a ghost while being schooled by Burling & Co over and over again. May the winds be in his favor...finally.
Was luna Rosa faster or were the kiwis using this preliminary race as a hard practice and letting them past , that is the question. Luna Risa passed them twice but the kiwis still won right so that means the kiwis passed them 3 times to win
Once at the start and 2 more times during the race .
Hmmm who was faster eh??
@@fernandosousa4657credo che la domanda fosse, considerando che TNZ ha la barca e l'equipaggio al top, e visto che durante le regate nessuno ha recuperato un distacco importante come quello di TNZ se non per guasti o errori, la vittoria è giocabile? O chi è davanti vince? Come con TNZ e America Magic? Poi una barca argento arriva seconda fosse di bronzo terza😂 Un 👋👋
theres that high mode again gotta think team nz is toying with luna rosa for close practice racing knowing they have something extra
No penalty for Nz.?
Of course not, for the simple fact that they didn't break any race rules.
Wow, if this is anything to go by, Italy are going to be the challengers for the America's Cup once again.
They were penalized 3 times in this grand final race though, or they probably should have won.
New Zealand had a reasonably healthy lead after Italy were penalized before the start line, but Italy kept chipping away at it well.
I'd actually book Italy as favorites. to take both cups.
23:54 you can here the pain of that penalty. Starts with f ends with uck. Great race tho. I can't wait for these two to battle it out for the auld mug. ( Such a pity we didnt get this day 1 when lrpp had that systems shutdown)
I miss the days of real sailing yachts with crews handling the sheets, deploying and stowing spinnakers on the downwind legs. Not computer and hydraulically driven aquatic formula 1 cars where more often than not whoever leads at the start wins. Let's have actual regatta's where it's more than just a one-on-one.
The Kiwis are unbeatable I would say and you can't even match race them without getting penalties am afraid its going to be a boring series
@@petergrundy8081 the kiwi a are just inflated balloons 🤣. We’ll see … it looks like you won the AC.
In every case congratulations bacause uiu are strong to be an arabic emirates team. 👏👏👏👏 bravi! 🤣
I’m a kiwi and I think that last penalty was bullshit. Umpires being ridiculous.
Indeed I can't figure out what other maneuver LR wa supposed to do in order to avoid that third penality. The two other penalities were pretty straghtfoward. Ps: thanks for the honesty.
34 seconds after 3 penalties is pretty good,
Rules say that a boat cannot turn in front of another boat "inside his wather" (of navigation). NZ turning in front of LR, penalty for LR.
Judges today showed well why NZ was capable to hold the Cup so much time.
🤡
biased umpires
Was tnz on port tack, so that gives them right of way , luna Rosa was suppose to give way under the rules and did it to late and I think tnz turned towards them outside the safety distance as well.
If so penalty was Lunas fault for not turning away quicker.
@@brettmciver432 As soon as you start tacking you loose the "right of way". Luna rossa had to bear away because ETNZ finished the tack too close. What else could LR do?
On the other hand, the second penalty was fair. LR was too late in keeping clear
@andreaschneider6001
Tnz had finished the tack way before so again luna Rissa just ballsed up the right of way rule and left it to late .
Both were correct.
Simple fact is you have am under hand bowler steering your boat” that wasn’t the kiwis choice”
good fight there Spit ..... just couldnt get off that thin line aye ..... "Helmsmens Error"
Kiwis seem to always have another gear.
I think NZ are smart just doing enough to win without showing all their cards.
468m apart. Please tell me if this is regarded as close, what constitutes an easy win?
with no penalty would finish like last one with 2 km distance
19:34 what happened here? This is where LR closed the gap.
Was It a mistake made by the crew or a big difference in VMG boat performance?
Fortunately there were cheeseburger barriers in place to safeguard traffic.
Una pregunta a qué velocidad se empiezan a elevar del agua los veleros
LR are so fast in those conditions. It seems that they could have sailed around ETNZ.
ETNZ have a lot to do before the finals.
LR, USA and Ineos will be match hardened come the finals.
congrats on picking the ref guys, he’s gonna deliver another one for you 🎉
Salty 😂😂😂
More sour than salty
How about stop breaking the rules. Y’all had a fast boat to stay in yall own lane
Trumpian comment. If you had the faster boat, how about managing it better so you are not violating the rules? Ever count how many penalties LR's team has had over the time Spithill has been at the helm? The guy sometimes seems to be completely unaware. Wanna win races? Get a real skipper.
@@fernandosousa4657don’t worry about our skipper. Good for you that you are so confident, so let’s see if we’ll be albe to win the LVC and in that case we’ll meet again in the final. American Magic is good too so we look forward to that. Better don’t act so cocky…
Based on today's efforts etnz may well be handing over the cup.I think both Luna Rossa and America have faster yachts
thats probably why they won the final🤔🤦🏼
Then at must explain as to why New Zealand won the final?
@@user-to7co7vm4w
per gli errori dello skipper , é evidente!
@@user-to7co7vm4w because they are smarter simple
The boat to beat? !!! The diamond rules should go. Really...? who would want to clash swords?
💯 👍 damage the wing we're gone
It Is sad for the show but the diamond rule must stay, otherwise the game would get too costly and dangerous. I would just let the horses run and deliver the penalties at the EOR, so to save the show and be sure the umpires do not incurr in errors having to judge so quickly,
Epic racing. It feels like watching 49ers or something.
Luna Rossa recovered 500 meters to NZ, clearly superior.
nah NZ just took it easy on the last leg knew they had it.
@@Trajan2401 35 knots seems non to me a take it easy, anyway time eill tell.
What are the commentators on ? So many errors ! They do not know what is a windward or leeward boat. Doug Ringholt Yarrawonga Victoria
Ottimo ragazzi, i kiwi non dormiranno sonni tranquilli, Avanti così
Would like to see the umpires debrief.
umpires: wtf have you done... too late to change mind...
Sounded one sided to me no support to team nz always throwing negative comments to nz close race 400 mtr distance doesn't sound close lol😂
Classic Jimmy
je ne comprends pas les règles des pénalités et comment celles ci sont appliquées. ceux qui naviguent sur tribord prioritaire de ceux de bâbord.Ok. la dernière prise par Luna Rossa me parait bizarre. si nz continuait droit alors LR pouvait coupé derriere. Mais Nz vire babord juste devant et pour les eviter LR sert au prêt ou est le problème ? C'est quoi la conséquence (la sanction) d'une pénalité ?
What are last 2 of the 4 gentlemen doing! They look like they are pedaling with arms or feet?
Wow we actually had a dog fight on leg five not like all the other races where the boat that wins the start pulls away and is never headed.
The Luna Rosa play dirty at that final race.ETNZ win.❤❤
RESPECT NZD🤙FORZA LUNA ROSSA 🇮🇹💙🔱
Luna Rossa ❤🫡🫶👏👏👏👏👏👏
bring back 12m yachts, much better racing.
scusate ma non c'è il video con commento italiano ??
Purtroppo i nostri ragazzi stanno soffrendo gli avversari e ciò è seccante....le penalità prese in gara dicono tutto.
Mi spiegate i motivi delle penalizzazioni??scusate mi appassiono ogni volta ,ma non sono tanto ferrato
@@andreav.8206 First penalty in the pre start was a port/starboard infringement. Kiwis did a dial down an ITA didn’t keep clear. Second penalty was the boat coming from behind has to keep clear before establishing the overlap. Third penalty was a windward/leeward infringement. Kiwis was the leeward boat with overlap and ITA had to keep clear.
@@dbooth2008 thank you
In pratica le regole del match race (gara a 2),prevedono un corpo a corpo,se vogliamo dire,allo scopo di togliere il vento all' avversario o altresì indurlo a sbagliare il controllo della barca e a non rispettare il diritto di rotta,o magari non rispettare le giuste tra le barche. E purtroppo con una barca veloce come Luna Rossa è molto facile sbagliare..... ma' se restiamo concentrati e regatiamo come sappiamo fare i Kiwi ce li mangiamo nella macedonia 😂😂😂😂
Question, Does the former All Black , Sir John Kirwan have a son ,Luca Kirwan ,who is a cyclor for The Italian Americas cup team Luna Rossi Prada Pirelli Yeam
Luna Rossa fastest💪💖 but too many penalty😔
😊 NZ 🇳🇿
how are the foils controlling the flying height?
Ka pai
The audio track is still way to mixed and jumbled. Remove the "commentators" completely (they don't have anything useful to add, except for announcing penalties, lets be honest), and we'll have a much better show.
How many penalties do you want?
Red Moon: YES
LA PRÓXIMA , EN. MADRID. 😂
Come on Jimmy, too many penalties.