Is Pioneer DJ neglecting the DJM-S11? Share your thoughts....

Just a quick video/vent about how Pioneer's flagship DJ mixer is not receiving firmware updates or new feature sets. The newest version of Serato just added features to the Rane Four with stems. Where is Pioneer's support for the VERY expensive DJM-S11?
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[@thedjnamedves]

I agree that it feels that S11 owners are being neglected. Im shocked how a mixer this advanced lacked in firmware updates.
At least they have a good reputation ofnaupportijg their hardware long eough.

[@DJ-Justo]

Couldn’t agree more! There’s a guy who midi mapped stem eq but it’s a pia.

[@HotMix5]

Unfortunately Alpha Theta/Pioneer does not like to give us any new features after we purchase their product. Only Denon continues to give us improvements and new features. We buy Pioneer because we expect to get a rock solid product but I think it's time for Alpha Theta to upgrade their software engineering staff and improve the value to its customers.

[@GODInTheWax444]

Exactly, I'm hearing from a lot of Pioneer/Alpha Theta customers that their customer service is severely lacking. They need to figure it out and do better.

[@DjKRuZe81]

I would like to see them put more features in the touch screen personally. Its a great feature that I think needs more support. I map stems to the 8 pads on my Reloop 8000mk2s with split pad mode Hot Cue and Roll on the mixer itself. Also own all the rev series controllers. Have you tried reaching out to Pioneer?

[@whojiman]

Get yourself a DDJ-XP2 to go with the S-11

[@GODInTheWax444]

I already have one of those, but why do you say that?

[@gamingheadztvMediaHeadztv]

Vdj gives u all that with the s11

[@mixx_factory]

Welcome to Pioneer Dj . Why would they update it when they can sell you a new one ? The midi fx on the S7 would be doable in the S11 as well . But they wouldn’t. People asked for Rev 7 rekordbox support at the beginning the said not possible . But then they finally caved . Why cant the DDJ 800 run Serato . Pioneer Dj is a make club standard gear and the know you will still buy it and media rental houses will shell out the big bucks . I have alot of pioneer dj gear including the DJM V10 top of the range but still i find Alpha Theta to be a bad and greedy company . I also own the Mixstream Pro Go as my back . I use it more often these days . I owned the S9

[@GODInTheWax444]

You're right bro. Plus they charge an arm and a leg for their stuff. Those CRSS12 decks are dope, but $1400 for them? That's wild when the Reloop 8000mk2 is very similar for $799....

[@donaldccannon1]

I still have my Ddj 800. Hoping for serato lol😂

[@the_jcharles]

​@@GODInTheWax444, I got 2 8000mk2. Love em

[@DJColdswitch]

I heard stem eq isn’t possible with the S11 because the eq block can’t be bypassed. :(

[@GODInTheWax444]

Bro what do you mean by "eq block"? Isn't it just midi signals going from the mixer to the computer/software? How come you can see the waveform change in Serato DJ Pro when you use the EQs on the S11? Use that same algorithm or data stream to make Stem EQ! work for the unit no?

[@DJColdswitch]

@@GODInTheWax444in an electrical block diagram, the block is composed of the components for a given subsystem (e.g. EQ). Drew Bach from Alpha Theta says:
“…it isn’t possible. The hardware of the S11 does not allow for bypass of the EQ block.”
I take this to mean that the behavior can’t be overridden. I don’t know the specifics of the implementation, just passing along what was said by someone who works for Alpha Theta.

[@djvinyltouch4027]

Just to add to what @DJColdswitch has said...the mixer is meant to operate purely as a hardware mixer...the software sends the music to it to be EQd and output by the hardware directly. Even though the knobs probably send MIDI (probably to show visual feedback in software but nothing more) they still do EQ - if they were to apply stems at the software level, the hardware would also EQ the result and that is not what you want. If the software had direct control of sending to the master output, then it could bypass the EQ and send only what it does, which is what you want (the DDJ Rev 5 has this ability, and that's why they did it there).

[@djvinyltouch4027]

I would note though, Rane has found a way to switch off the hardware EQ in their Rane Four (via their latest firmware update) and Rane Performer (Shift + PFL) while still maintaining control of the master output by the hardware, so I wonder if it actually might be possible somehow for the DJM S11

[@DJColdswitch]

@@djvinyltouch4027thank you for those details. Your explanation aligns with what I’m seeing in Virtual DJ. When attempting to use the stem eq in Virtual DJ with the S11, I get a warning that says, “YOUR MIXER WILL ADD ITS OWN EQ ON TOP OF VIRTUAL DJ’S. In order to use Virtual DJ’s advanced EQs, you must either use a compatible midi mixer or send the audio from Virtual DJ to your sound system without going through your mixer.”
Fingers crossed for a firmware update that somehow makes this possible.

[@djerickd1976]

hey u rite

[@GODInTheWax444]

I appreciate you commenting bro!

[@djerickd1976]

yesssir thanks for the vids

[@funky8breaksouljah]

2k mixer that will be outdated in months...🤔

[@Jay-od3fh]

Best Serato mixer with a touch screen is easily the Rane 72. I have the S11 and the 72, and the S11 sits on a shelf. It is built cheaply and sounds awful.

[@GODInTheWax444]

You're entitled to your opinion. I'd disagree though. The S11 has a better refresh rate on the screen, and it has audio chipsets from the 900NXS mixer. Far from "sounds awful". To each his own though.

[@the_jcharles]

I have both s11 and 72mk2. Faders and knobs are better on rane. S11 has 4 decks, rane feels more premium, the effects on s11 are way better and the sound card is actually better than the 72 and the 900nexus2

[@hygvf]

gimme ur s11 then

[@hygvf]

ill throw u 1000 for it