This is such a good analysis, thanks for sharing. And also thank you for the respectful and thoughtful discussion of Christian ideas. Such treatment is not common among agnostics.
I am a Christian and I am always hesitant to watch these types of videos because I assume the creator is not a Christian. With you, I feel there is something good here. Love your content!
When watching the movie, as a christian I was seeing how this society is and thinking to myself "these people are gonna get God's judgement", and by the end when the spaniards arrive the first thing you see is their cross, both in the ships and in the boats, and you feel like judgement has come.
I’m an Orthodox Christian, I used to be Roman Catholic, but for many reasons am now convinced that Rome has been compromised since corrupt Carolingian bishops with a Heterodox Frankish agenda took over the Vatican. That said, I STILL believe in Our Lady of Guadalupe. Gibson has hinted that the baby boy in “Apocolypto” could be an approximation of the Catholic Saint, Juan Diego, a pure native born convert, who would one day be the Representative of a great Miracle. Orthodox are very very careful about alleged apparitions, even in their own lands, and amongst their own establishments, let alone in the heterodox West, where the Last officially recognized Marian Apparition is Our Lady of Walshingham, a miracle that occurred in the last, tragically waning months of Orthodox England. Naturally we ought to dismiss out of hand most of the Vatican’s alleged miracles as most likely Prelest, not with absolute certainty, but most likely. But the situation in Central America is too strange for that. It harkens back to one major Exception in Scripture where God directly sided with and blessed a warrior who was in unauthorized Schism with Israel: King Jehu. Thing is, there was no one loyal to the Davidic line available or in any position to facilitate the overthrow of the infamous Satanic Queen, Jezebel. Jehu was still angry at how Solomon’s heir treated his tribe, so was resolved to remain apart, when he should have stayed loyal and left the chastisement of the King to God and the Prophets. But that deep, schismatic flaw aside, he was simply the most righteous God fearing warrior available among the Northern tribes, the only one able and willing to break through Jezebel’s defenses. God Rewarded him with a guaranteed dynasty for six generations. This seems pathetic compared to his promises to Abraham, Jacob and David, but given his schismatic position, it was enormously generous, God gave them 300 years of stable rule to repent of their schism in which they might have arranged to merge their line with David’s through several marriages. They could have done this, but never did. The Seventh generation was destroyed, and by an obscure enemy. I believe Schismatic Rome was similarly blessed and given six generations to repent and return to Orthodoxy for ending the unspeakable abomination of the Aztec/Mayan cult of death. They were, essentially the same general religion and political philosophy in two neighboring countries the same way pagan Greece and Italy had the same Olympic gods, had their empires at different times, with Julius Cesar seeking to imitate Alexander The Great, and so on. Historians who nitpick the “inaccuracies” miss the point that Gibson was saying that both were the same as far as their juxtaposition to The True God is concerned. Gibson is symbolically arguing that Missionaries would have subsequently acted largely the same in the 12th century (or earlier) as in the 16th, although a BIG flaw in his reasoning is that the superstition of “Manifest Destiny”, a root cause rationalization of most colonial mistreatment , initially arose as a new conceited sense of Spanish superiority over the Saracens during the Reconquista, and simply did not exist yet in the Western European mind prior, although less popular prototypes for it can be traced back to Charlemagne’s Court. The point is, no Mission, however sincere, could have crossed the mid Atlantic without a government’s help, and one PRIOR to the superstition of “Manifest Destiny” would not have had a convincing argument to deny local converts’ self rule. Oh, abuse would have happened in the short term, but that also occurred during the conversion of Europe. In the end, most established Pagan lordships got to retain their positions as converts, only now recognized as such by God’s Mandate. The same WOULD have happened in America among earlier explorers. But that vile superstition gave rise to subhumanizing and dehumanizing of natives just so greedy bastards could get away with stealing from them, and now had the ability to confuse a distracted Rome with superstitious pseudoscience and bad philosophy. That simply couldn’t have happened a few centuries earlier. If combined with a much slower initial spread of Europeans to mingle with Natives, they might have gained more immunity to our diseases before they could be decimated by them, leading to a much bigger population of natives to defend themselves. We might see a distinctly Native Christian Empire in the Americas by now. So that’s the one big flaw any Historian has any business complaining about, but it went over their heads. Anyway, in spite of the Abuses that “Manifest Destiny” would later cause (and Erode God’s Goodwill), destroying the most evil religion on earth couldn’t not please God. So Rome was blessed, and Mexican Catholicism in particular, for 300 years , but, alas, it was a blessing that could have only become permanent if Rome had returned to Orthodoxy, or Mexico became Orthodox independent of Rome. When this didn’t happen, they began to fall apart. But the Apparition is Real, and I think Diego is a Saint in spite of Rome’s errors, because the Theotokos chose him Herself.
I have another version that’s public but CZcams has just ghosted for some reason. How Apocalypto Frames the Passion of the Christ czcams.com/video/tYm3Lslmjo0/video.html
@@youthnation1 Wonderful news! With new people discovering your channel all the time, this is certainly one of the best videos to highlight your analytical talent! Keep up the great work - I'm praying for your vocation!
@@youthnation1 Not sure if you're aware, but I just tried following the provided link and I got this message - "This video contains content from Lasso Group, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds." /doh
LoveRocketsable Of course, but only by perspective. They are both archetypal stories about the fall and redemption of humanity. Both of which are resolved in the cross of Christ.
Uts not for christians or anything abrahamic. Its a foreign alien alien world with Different God Beleifs and Multiple Gods like the Romans whom Jesus amd his disciples and fellow jews encountered.
Apocalypto is so under appreciated. Just the production alone is stunning
Probably one of the best films ever made
@@willtoler6917 captivating
Something in apocalypto really resonated with me for some reason and I've watched it so many times
It’s one of the best films ever made. No debate
Mel gibson is an underrated genius
I absolutely agree with you, I love his films!
He imploded and it was his fault that he did.
Twas da yewz @@yvonneplant9434
@@yvonneplant9434he seems to be doing just fine
This is such a good analysis, thanks for sharing. And also thank you for the respectful and thoughtful discussion of Christian ideas. Such treatment is not common among agnostics.
I think the guy is a protestant.
I've been thinking of this movie a lot, just gave it another watch today. Thanks for linking those two movies together for me.
Man I stumbled on this channel last night. I can’t get enough. I want more!
I am a Christian and I am always hesitant to watch these types of videos because I assume the creator is not a Christian. With you, I feel there is something good here. Love your content!
The scene with the prophetic girl foreshadows the arrival of the Spaniards
It foreshadows a lot.
Great video, great insights. Keep me coming!!
Thank you! Working on it.
Just subscribed, absolutely wonderful insight, analysis & presentation!
Lol I watched the other one like five times. I love your videos please make many more!
Thank you. Working on it :)
Logos Made Flesh do you have a place we can send requests?
I just found this channel.
So good.
Wonderful insight!
More videos please.
I would love to hear your breakdown of the books of Daniel and Revelation
When watching the movie, as a christian I was seeing how this society is and thinking to myself "these people are gonna get God's judgement", and by the end when the spaniards arrive the first thing you see is their cross, both in the ships and in the boats, and you feel like judgement has come.
I’m an Orthodox Christian, I used to be Roman Catholic, but for many reasons am now convinced that Rome has been compromised since corrupt Carolingian bishops with a Heterodox Frankish agenda took over the Vatican.
That said, I STILL believe in Our Lady of Guadalupe. Gibson has hinted that the baby boy in “Apocolypto” could be an approximation of the Catholic Saint, Juan Diego, a pure native born convert, who would one day be the Representative of a great Miracle.
Orthodox are very very careful about alleged apparitions, even in their own lands, and amongst their own establishments, let alone in the heterodox West, where the Last officially recognized Marian Apparition is Our Lady of Walshingham, a miracle that occurred in the last, tragically waning months of Orthodox England.
Naturally we ought to dismiss out of hand most of the Vatican’s alleged miracles as most likely Prelest, not with absolute certainty, but most likely.
But the situation in Central America is too strange for that. It harkens back to one major Exception in Scripture where God directly sided with and blessed a warrior who was in unauthorized Schism with Israel: King Jehu. Thing is, there was no one loyal to the Davidic line available or in any position to facilitate the overthrow of the infamous Satanic Queen, Jezebel. Jehu was still angry at how Solomon’s heir treated his tribe, so was resolved to remain apart, when he should have stayed loyal and left the chastisement of the King to God and the Prophets. But that deep, schismatic flaw aside, he was simply the most righteous God fearing warrior available among the Northern tribes, the only one able and willing to break through Jezebel’s defenses. God Rewarded him with a guaranteed dynasty for six generations. This seems pathetic compared to his promises to Abraham, Jacob and David, but given his schismatic position, it was enormously generous, God gave them 300 years of stable rule to repent of their schism in which they might have arranged to merge their line with David’s through several marriages. They could have done this, but never did. The Seventh generation was destroyed, and by an obscure enemy.
I believe Schismatic Rome was similarly blessed and given six generations to repent and return to Orthodoxy for ending the unspeakable abomination of the Aztec/Mayan cult of death. They were, essentially the same general religion and political philosophy in two neighboring countries the same way pagan Greece and Italy had the same Olympic gods, had their empires at different times, with Julius Cesar seeking to imitate Alexander The Great, and so on. Historians who nitpick the “inaccuracies” miss the point that Gibson was saying that both were the same as far as their juxtaposition to The True God is concerned. Gibson is symbolically arguing that Missionaries would have subsequently acted largely the same in the 12th century (or earlier) as in the 16th, although a BIG flaw in his reasoning is that the superstition of “Manifest Destiny”, a root cause rationalization of most colonial mistreatment , initially arose as a new conceited sense of Spanish superiority over the Saracens during the Reconquista, and simply did not exist yet in the Western European mind prior, although less popular prototypes for it can be traced back to Charlemagne’s Court.
The point is, no Mission, however sincere, could have crossed the mid Atlantic without a government’s help, and one PRIOR to the superstition of “Manifest Destiny” would not have had a convincing argument to deny local converts’ self rule. Oh, abuse would have happened in the short term, but that also occurred during the conversion of Europe. In the end, most established Pagan lordships got to retain their positions as converts, only now recognized as such by God’s Mandate. The same WOULD have happened in America among earlier explorers. But that vile superstition gave rise to subhumanizing and dehumanizing of natives just so greedy bastards could get away with stealing from them, and now had the ability to confuse a distracted Rome with superstitious pseudoscience and bad philosophy. That simply couldn’t have happened a few centuries earlier. If combined with a much slower initial spread of Europeans to mingle with Natives, they might have gained more immunity to our diseases before they could be decimated by them, leading to a much bigger population of natives to defend themselves. We might see a distinctly Native Christian Empire in the Americas by now.
So that’s the one big flaw any Historian has any business complaining about, but it went over their heads.
Anyway, in spite of the Abuses that “Manifest Destiny” would later cause (and Erode God’s Goodwill), destroying the most evil religion on earth couldn’t not please God. So Rome was blessed, and Mexican Catholicism in particular, for 300 years , but, alas, it was a blessing that could have only become permanent if Rome had returned to Orthodoxy, or Mexico became Orthodox independent of Rome. When this didn’t happen, they began to fall apart.
But the Apparition is Real, and I think Diego is a Saint in spite of Rome’s errors, because the Theotokos chose him Herself.
Jesus is Lord! Really liking your content brother
I don't know if Mel Gibson is a genius or a mad man!
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They are not mutually exclusive
great time to re-release this video. Apocalypto is one of my top ranking films
you have really interesting and insightful analysis could you recommend me some further reading??
Not really. Lots of sources on interpretation and writing. It really needs to be remedied.
This is sooo amazing wow
Beautiful
Thank you!
Maybe there is more linking the two stories together, namely René Girard's sacrifice and scapegoat theory.
What a crime that this video is unlisted.
I have another version that’s public but CZcams has just ghosted for some reason. How Apocalypto Frames the Passion of the Christ czcams.com/video/tYm3Lslmjo0/video.html
It’s back up and listed
@@youthnation1 Wonderful news! With new people discovering your channel all the time, this is certainly one of the best videos to highlight your analytical talent! Keep up the great work - I'm praying for your vocation!
@@youthnation1 Not sure if you're aware, but I just tried following the provided link and I got this message - "This video contains content from Lasso Group, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds." /doh
please breakdown and expound upon Cloud Atlas by the Wachowskis
Just heard an interesting theory that Cloud Atlas is a retelling of D. W. 1916 film Intolerance.
Logos Made Flesh I’d love to hear your expose on Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Eli, Eli, Lama sabachthani.
I remember the girl in apocalypto cursing the enslaving people.
Lore of How Apocalypto Frames The Passion (Redux) Momentum 100
There wasn't just one jesus, there were very many.
I mean the movies correlate but the subject matter is different.
LoveRocketsable Of course, but only by perspective. They are both archetypal stories about the fall and redemption of humanity. Both of which are resolved in the cross of Christ.
AND THE REAL GOD WHO ENDURED NOTHING LESS
A very good explanation. Could have done without the intersplicing of unrelated images. Comes off as a bit slight of hand-like.
Dude
You analyze so well, and yet you fall prey to be a subject of your own analysis. Strange
Uts not for christians or anything abrahamic. Its a foreign alien alien world with Different God Beleifs and Multiple Gods like the Romans whom Jesus amd his disciples and fellow jews encountered.
The Passion was a snuff film.
I cannot watch passion of Christ, not cus it the gore...just too so many white folk...in the sun...and not one of them have a descent tan
Lmao