yup, www.newscientist.com/article/dn21597-us-judge-rules-that-you-cant-copyright-pi/ oh new scientist how we love you ^^: but tau, we're coming for you >:)
oh wow, that was amazing! I've been following this Pi Copyright thing too and I couldn't agree with you more. So awesome for you to stick up for Michael like that, and actually step through the logic in such a creative way. I hope Lars gets a chance to see this.
If pi is random chances are that the first several hundred digits of pi will be repeated later in the sequence. Then just use the first several however-many digits of pi in your music and claim that those digits will occur again later so you aren't using the first x number of digits your are using some digits far later in the sequence that happen to be the same.
Being the sequence random and infinite, any possible combination of numbers should be guaranteed to occur over infinite length. This means that you could literally perform any song with an extension of nine notes or less, and claim you were performing digits of pi.
Batrax I disagree. Pi has never been proven to be NORMAL, meaning that it has all combinations of all lengths of numbers - but it's unlikely that paltry 10-digit or less (compared to the length of pi) is not in there somewhere. Right?
Rushil U I said nine notes because you only have nine digits to choose from, in a way that every digit is correspondent to a note, not in the sense that you can only play nine-note songs. Of course, you could still use clusters of digits to represent a note, like 111=G#, but that's kind of cheating because you're not _technically_ performing digits of pi. You could still write down pi in a different base than decimal, like an octuagintaocta-basis for all the notes on a piano, or even more for chords. but that sounds like stretching things as well...
Batrax I wasn't trying to say that. I was saying that not all sequences of digits of n-length have been proven to exist in pi (which is what I meant when I said normal). In other words, you can't claim that any sequence MUST occur in pi, because that's never been proven. Also, wouldn't it take TEN notes to represent all decimal digits (0-9)?
Rushil U It's not _certain_, per se, but if the digits are truly random, and the sequence is truly infinite, the chances of it containing one whichever finite sequence are basically equal to 1 (100%) for all practical purposes. I think that could hold in a courtroom. And you can't have 0 after the decimal point, otherwise that would be the last digit of pi.
I play the cello. bass clef. :'( i started playing the violin. treble. I still havent adjusted to the bass clef after more than a year. I can play te instrument well, I cannot read music well
And the best thing is that actually literally EVERY SONG ever written can be assumed as a "pi-song", since every pattern of numbers appears, sooner or later, in Pi's decimal expression
This morning I woke up dreading the fact I had to start studying math again (I'm 50 and back in school majoring in music), you just reminded me to put my math into my music and math-musician it! You have given me a present that money couldn't buy and words cannot express. To the whiteboard!
@TJNerd Well, some songs use more than ten different notes, or multiple notes played together. But if you want to count all possible combinations of notes on (for example) a piano, you could say that every finite song represents some substring of pi in base 2^88. Assuming pi is a normal number, of course.
You have a good point, but think of it this way: any combination of digits has a certain probability of occurring next in a string of random numbers. If that string continues indefinitely with no repetition, then there is essentially an infinite number of "tries" at getting that string. To find the probability of getting it at least once, you would find the integral of the binomial distribution for p=probability of getting that string, from x=1 to n, x being the number of successes.
3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384146951941511609433057270365759591953092186117381932611793105118548074462379962749567351885752724891227938183011949129833673362440656643086021394946395224737190702179860943702770539217176293176752384674818467669405132000568127145263560827785771342757789609173637178721468440901224953430146549585371050792279689258923542019956112129021960864034418159813629774771309960518707211349999998372978049951059731732816096318595024459455346908302642522308253344685035261931188171010003137838752886587533208381420617177669147303598253490428755468731159562 That's what I have memorized.
@jalanatherton From my mem. of the video, he used the exact same algorithm. From my understanding, he did the same thing with the time signature as Erickson. I've a pi song in a scale that uses a synthetic 10 tone scale. This allows each digit to have a distinct tone. Other ideas are to position a No. line next to a theremin - position the hands at the appropriate place on the No. Line. Pi has been around a long time, but Erickson was the first to make that particular music algorithm.
That is SO fucking awesome! You don't believe how much this inspired me! Holy shit! *Writes a song using Pi and its digits representing the notes in the phrygian mode in A* Let's hope, it sounds at least acceptable. I'll tell you how it turned out. :-)
Erm, y = 2x and y = -x/2 are perpendicular. Only time when they don't appear to be is when the 2 axes don't have equal scales (which doesn't change anything, mathematically speaking they're still perpendicular). y = -2x is just y = 2x reflected upon the y-axis.
You could come up with a scheme to cover that. Use a few digits to describe the note and then use a few more digits to describe the length of the note, denote time signature, etc., then use the next few digits to describe the next note and so on.
i remember hearing that some laws allow you to have parodys and be safe, i don't ever remember seeing any parody video on this website taken down. Weird Al is completely safe becuase even though he could make fun of songs without asking, he is a pretty cool dude and only makes parodies of songs when the original singer says he can.
I like your videos a lot. They are interesting and very though provoking. And as an engineering major a lot of what you say makes sense. Also, your indexing of the notes kinda makes me go *.* as a programmer. Either way, awesome videos.
@evanthebeast Actually no, since Pi is limited to 10 digits; 0-9. The musical scale is technically not limited whatsoever, and I definitely know songs that have many notes above E on the musical scale (Die Valkyrie, etc.)
Copyright is silly, because it is extended to things which are not individual or private property, but belong to all people. Some of the claims have no merit at all.
Pi is infinitely long, so I could actually just make up a bunch of numbers and call them digits SOMEWHERE in pi, technically being correct, and write a song where those numbers are actually my notes. In that manner, I could say that every composer ever has used pi in their songs, and that every song is a pi song. So if you want to hear a pi song, listen to any music that has a melody, harmony, or even a rhythm, and you will be hearing a digits that are somewhere in pi.
@lilshortypie72 Maybe the reason no one got it or that it failed was the wording. "How else am I to pi r squared?" is a very confusing jumble of words compared to "how am I going to make the 'pi r squared?' joke."
@SuperCrakker -- This might be a specifically American way to study music, because I've had a lot less training than you and I've heard of this way of doing things. I've often heard major chords described as 1-3-5-8 (flat the 3 if you want the minor equivalent). Vihart didn't make this system up -- it's just a convention. Also, the numbers move depending on the key. It's not tied to C at all.
...finally, if the last measure of a phrase has 2,4,6, then shift the 4th scale degree up by one half step and the subsequent measures has the scale modulated down by 5 half steps.
bunny is right the combinations in pi are a smaller infinity the the infinity of combinations possible although a very good point and it is very likely that any piece would be somewhere in pi.
The laws do protect these works in theory. It's also true that most of the videos I refer to (e.g. "abridged" parodies) are put back up after the owners fight the copyright claims. But it's ludicrous to even have to deal with that, especially on a regular basis. Then there's that incident where an original work by a group of celebrities was taken down on a copyright claim... It sets a tone where the owner is supposed to give up if the attacker whines enough times.
Wow, now that kind of memorization blows my mind. People ask me how I memorize obscure numbers and letters and combos of such so easily. But that's strictly off memory, Using methods like this is beyond my comprehension. The closest thing to this I've used is Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally (Parentheses Exponents, Multiplication, Division,, Addition, Subtraction) or King Phillip Crossed Over For Good Sex (Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species). I'm also musically inept lol
@thelema418 That "algorithm" has been around much longer than either of these people. One may have been the first to apply it to pi, but it's such a natural thing to do that any musician who also loves math will also eventually come to it. C is sort of like the "mother note" and 1 is a very common number to start with. It's like trying to copyright the C major scale, or copyright counting starting from the number 1.
...as a child, my mom gave me the dictionary to pacify me. The more I learned, the more I needed to know. To this day I follow absolutes rather than abstracted interpretations through words and symbols (art-forms). Temporal sophistication is a pacifier of the most insidious order.
i'm with you. copyrighting pi feels kind of like trying to copyright "red haired person walks down the street." i used the first 12 digits of pi in a very old (and not so good) piece, but with rhythmic rather than melody. every measure started with 1e.a. and the subsequent rhythm was based on pi. i can't put a direct link into a comment, so if you're interested, find "Cycles" on my channel and go to 02'08"ish. anyone that wants to use that in a piece is welcome to. i promise i won't sue. ;)
Man, I never knew all the cool things you could do with pie! I thought my friend being able to recite the first 200 digits was cool! Eh, I'm still gonna put it in a video. Keep doin' what you're doin~
I'm a mathematician-turned-law-student who specializes in intellectual property. I can say with some confidence that one person creating a tune does not prevent another person from independently creating the same tune. Copyright consists of a variety of rights, but chief among them is the ability to control who copies your work. If there's independent creation, there's no infringement. The other guy was wrong to request that the video be removed, and CZcams was wrong to comply.
it would be easy enough to bypass a copywrited song based on pi by simply changing the mode. the simplest way to do that would be to make A your first note because then it would simply be minor. but a more interesting choice might be phrygian; making E your first note. give it a try.
@michaeljohnblake IMHO, I think Erickson has a stronger claim. Even though PI is a number, it is the technique of rendering the number into music that is the heart of the copyright claim. There are lots of options available. Create the song in a different mode, play it on a microtonality scale, develop a different temperament for the sound, etc. You could be like Cage and decide that silence is an important component of the music; perhaps 9 is a rest? There's many options for making pi music.
CZcams needs to have someone personally review all DMCA takedown requests. This policy of 'censor first, ask questions later (if at all)' screws over a lot of people.
One thing is if you add more he can not have you take it down because you added your own creativeness to it the same way if you are talking about a song you can play it in the background since you are adding to the intellectual integrity of the piece
Warning: what I'm about to say may cause offense to some math nerds. The melody is not fundamentally based on pi but on the choice of the decimal number system too. Why? You could write pi in base 5 for pentatonic, base 8 for diatonic, base 12 for chromatic, etc, base 10 is a peculiar choice. A silly procedure and silly fight. I enjoyed the video, though.
Once I accidentally fell down and dropped my things and somehow ended up spelling all the first 21 presidents of the United States in cursive. Crazy right?
Not necessarily... 0.101001000100001000001[continue until bored] can be continued indefinitely, without it containing every possible combination of numbers. So just the fact, that there are infinite decimals doesn't imply everything being in it. I wonder if there is a way to prove either way if a given combination is part of Pi or not...
But you can't say for sure that pi has ALL of the combinations. It has not been proven yet. Not sure if it ever will. Most would expect pi to contain every possible number sequence but there's no know way of knowing that for sure.
While I'm hardly surprised that that pi-copyrighting yo-yo got laughed out court, I'm surprised it even went that far. In Intel v. AMD, federal courts conclusively ruled that numbers are not copyrightable.
822977180388.19329425533241201(etc) Sure, why not! Side note: Sometimes I love having a calculator that actually exploits the computer as the math machine it really is instead of imitating the woefully underpowered handheld models :-) The next bunch of digits (this took 140 seconds to compute on my computer... if you've got a decent program and a beefy CPU or GPU (if that processing style is enabled in your calculator of choice) you could probably do more than that, that's just the accuracy I went with) is: 292622557362119159027417977356115228690831648769253740588089317175606305131999975008888570029817827291918768105238545474787299688386404387704011838548347364551819207963385549284876464687446590706225542431215374890198297071717508965528562424289764042470768226901266820276257020165066379865335707823804866139858304154028959309515290218560071518105412444837278679831314283673074351650613025603981814158113645217744271121300657372656815844795642875400793341907523791670208250010621024943387982663123880976481538407958605370866236773739243348003381933049373302894060761250660005130368799473546896342395653575157745281797379759898086735074089374107298769834246931470803454627319913981664513599085685368886523450772050440711804318282590904507809500677383141576088235943401233132536673551915098843956256737366903821466801976735953796650023899416739029869305327515630869068044741688083240349131283951520229043973358302790055985504273382772560364131101225899660284270983605801285060740116
Tomewyrm Draconus Wow, I'm impressed. But I guess, there is no practical use of that number ANYWHERE... I guess hardest part for a computer was a 123!, which is a ridiculously huge number. Ooooor you made these digits up xD
Actually it was the root that was the most problematic for the computer. Roots are never amazingly fast to calculate, the only reasons your handheld calculator does them so fast is that it's working with small numbers at every step, and processors (even the wimpy ones in a calculator) can do each discrete step thousands of times (maybe more) a second. Computers can obviously beat that. My current processor can do billions of steps a second. The biggest issue was almost certainly the decided precision value; I was using 1000 digits which is a lot of numbers to crunch for each step, and also a lot of steps to crunch through.
Crap. I made a pi song on the piano for my youtube channel last week using the first 120 digits of pi. Does this mean that dude can have it taken down now? Did he copyright using the notes to form a song at all or just a specific key? (I did mine in A Harmonic Minor, a key that is not commonly used.)
Thanks for making me feel uneducated yet starving for knowledge. The fact that you're good at math AND music makes me want to pick up an instrument and start doing my math homework. Also, I'm gonna be a senior and it makes me feel like I missed out on a lot of my inner talent all these years. I guess it's never too late after all! :)
"i didnt really mean to do it but one day i accidentally memorized the first 97 digits this way" excuse me? what? like really?
yes.
I memorized 98 for a contest, I got second in my class
+Quinn Hartman second how many did the first person get?
+Quinn Hartman I remembered 114 digits for a contest and I also got second place
K3K5 I remember 14 different poems that way
Outrageous! How the hell is such a thing copyrightable...
+Filip Kopecký because pi obviously belongs to some1 :3
+oVerTheToP 5o
it never has and never will
yup, www.newscientist.com/article/dn21597-us-judge-rules-that-you-cant-copyright-pi/ oh new scientist how we love you ^^: but tau, we're coming for you >:)
@@oVerTheToP5o Now I hope Pi is a normal number i.e. it contains every information you can think of.
@@floracanou7613 So then, everything is copyrighted! Great!
its irrational to claim the rights to pi....luls
theendofit hope u meant luls in german
oh wow, that was amazing! I've been following this Pi Copyright thing too and I couldn't agree with you more. So awesome for you to stick up for Michael like that, and actually step through the logic in such a creative way.
I hope Lars gets a chance to see this.
Wow 97 digits!?! I thought I was crazy and I only know the first 20 or so. ;)
Same ;)
There’s only one
If pi is random chances are that the first several hundred digits of pi will be repeated later in the sequence. Then just use the first several however-many digits of pi in your music and claim that those digits will occur again later so you aren't using the first x number of digits your are using some digits far later in the sequence that happen to be the same.
Being the sequence random and infinite, any possible combination of numbers should be guaranteed to occur over infinite length. This means that you could literally perform any song with an extension of nine notes or less, and claim you were performing digits of pi.
Batrax I disagree. Pi has never been proven to be NORMAL, meaning that it has all combinations of all lengths of numbers - but it's unlikely that paltry 10-digit or less (compared to the length of pi) is not in there somewhere.
Right?
Rushil U I said nine notes because you only have nine digits to choose from, in a way that every digit is correspondent to a note, not in the sense that you can only play nine-note songs.
Of course, you could still use clusters of digits to represent a note, like 111=G#, but that's kind of cheating because you're not _technically_ performing digits of pi.
You could still write down pi in a different base than decimal, like an octuagintaocta-basis for all the notes on a piano, or even more for chords. but that sounds like stretching things as well...
Batrax I wasn't trying to say that. I was saying that not all sequences of digits of n-length have been proven to exist in pi (which is what I meant when I said normal). In other words, you can't claim that any sequence MUST occur in pi, because that's never been proven.
Also, wouldn't it take TEN notes to represent all decimal digits (0-9)?
Rushil U It's not _certain_, per se, but if the digits are truly random, and the sequence is truly infinite, the chances of it containing one whichever finite sequence are basically equal to 1 (100%) for all practical purposes. I think that could hold in a courtroom.
And you can't have 0 after the decimal point, otherwise that would be the last digit of pi.
imagine someone managing to copyright all of pi. boom! everything that can be translated in a decimal system belongs to him
clandestin011 all melodies are his because everything is somewhere in pi, after all it is irrational
hellothing How do you prove that any string is included in the decimal expansion of pi?
why dont you play TAU instead of pi, as you said in the last video it is the real pi
It's probably copyrighted!
I play the cello. bass clef. :'( i started playing the violin. treble. I still havent adjusted to the bass clef after more than a year. I can play te instrument well, I cannot read music well
+Tim Naff Don't play viola. Alto.
+Joseph Williams (RadiantRaichu) I can read alto, bass, and treble clef
This is beautiful. Math major that I am, but also the fun loving marching band goer. YOU GO GIRL
And the best thing is that actually literally EVERY SONG ever written can be assumed as a "pi-song", since every pattern of numbers appears, sooner or later, in Pi's decimal expression
iv heard Vocaloids singing PI and it goes on for ages.. so many numbers...
She can sing too...mind = blown. This girl is so talented.
Yes, I can't, I shan't formulate an anthem where the words comprise mnemonics, dreaded mnemonics for pi... songstowearpantsto
What is really cool about pi is that every music piece ever written can be found in it :D
inside this number of pie, there are my name, your dog, a river, rose, book, my guitar and so on
I saw River and rose and thought of Doctor Who automatically
0:52 having your phone number end on 78 is so nice for this kind of "translation" into music
I swear, you're the most creative mathematician I know..
This morning I woke up dreading the fact I had to start studying math again (I'm 50 and back in school majoring in music), you just reminded me to put my math into my music and math-musician it! You have given me a present that money couldn't buy and words cannot express. To the whiteboard!
I wasn't expecting you at all to belt out those beautiful notes. :D
@TJNerd Well, some songs use more than ten different notes, or multiple notes played together. But if you want to count all possible combinations of notes on (for example) a piano, you could say that every finite song represents some substring of pi in base 2^88. Assuming pi is a normal number, of course.
You have a good point, but think of it this way: any combination of digits has a certain probability of occurring next in a string of random numbers. If that string continues indefinitely with no repetition, then there is essentially an infinite number of "tries" at getting that string. To find the probability of getting it at least once, you would find the integral of the binomial distribution for p=probability of getting that string, from x=1 to n, x being the number of successes.
@Everett Sass
Yes, play up an octave. Sometimes two octaves up is also appropriate, but it depends on context and the instrument you are playing.
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Sure...
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It's been 13 years and I still don't understand why someone would copyright the first 32 digits of a number.
Wow! This is so incredibly creative, I am blown away. You are a genius!!!
it is a magical musical roller coaster.....
The hand dance.... could also be interpereted as finger encodings for a piano, or for guitar chords somehow, etc...
it's so lovely.when I study maths ,what we told to do is to do as much as exercise to get used to it.
saw a neat video of a guy who converted pi to base12 and used the full tonal range - that was really neat
This is even batter when you have heard her singing Tau
Her drawing is sooo good
@jalanatherton From my mem. of the video, he used the exact same algorithm. From my understanding, he did the same thing with the time signature as Erickson.
I've a pi song in a scale that uses a synthetic 10 tone scale. This allows each digit to have a distinct tone. Other ideas are to position a No. line next to a theremin - position the hands at the appropriate place on the No. Line.
Pi has been around a long time, but Erickson was the first to make that particular music algorithm.
That is SO fucking awesome! You don't believe how much this inspired me! Holy shit!
*Writes a song using Pi and its digits representing the notes in the phrygian mode in A*
Let's hope, it sounds at least acceptable. I'll tell you how it turned out. :-)
Erm, y = 2x and y = -x/2 are perpendicular. Only time when they don't appear to be is when the 2 axes don't have equal scales (which doesn't change anything, mathematically speaking they're still perpendicular). y = -2x is just y = 2x reflected upon the y-axis.
You can't copyright a number, and an idea many people have had before.
I love your pi hand dance, haha
You could come up with a scheme to cover that. Use a few digits to describe the note and then use a few more digits to describe the length of the note, denote time signature, etc., then use the next few digits to describe the next note and so on.
girl you have a BEAUTIFUL voice!!!!!
i remember hearing that some laws allow you to have parodys and be safe, i don't ever remember seeing any parody video on this website taken down. Weird Al is completely safe becuase even though he could make fun of songs without asking, he is a pretty cool dude and only makes parodies of songs when the original singer says he can.
I actually do the music thing myself for certain numbers.
Except I don't use the high E for 0, I use the B below middle C.
I like your videos a lot. They are interesting and very though provoking. And as an engineering major a lot of what you say makes sense. Also, your indexing of the notes kinda makes me go *.* as a programmer. Either way, awesome videos.
@evanthebeast Actually no, since Pi is limited to 10 digits; 0-9.
The musical scale is technically not limited whatsoever, and I definitely know songs that have many notes above E on the musical scale (Die Valkyrie, etc.)
You have a beautiful voice for such a math lover
@Alvin940 Actually, I will use numbers to help memorize music because to me, numbers are easier to memorize than notes in most cases.
Copyright is silly, because it is extended to things which are not individual or private property, but belong to all people. Some of the claims have no merit at all.
Try pi in sexigesimal notation. You can convert the numbers to the same Base as the musical scale
Eg 59 = 14= 5, 44=8, 0 is a rest.
Pi is infinitely long, so I could actually just make up a bunch of numbers and call them digits SOMEWHERE in pi, technically being correct, and write a song where those numbers are actually my notes. In that manner, I could say that every composer ever has used pi in their songs, and that every song is a pi song. So if you want to hear a pi song, listen to any music that has a melody, harmony, or even a rhythm, and you will be hearing a digits that are somewhere in pi.
wow I love that line "it doesn't mean you own the C Major chord"
I love these videos. Passionately. I sincerely hope your naively optimistic hopes aren't crushed by the sad state of affairs the world is in.
@lilshortypie72 Maybe the reason no one got it or that it failed was the wording. "How else am I to pi r squared?" is a very confusing jumble of words compared to "how am I going to make the 'pi r squared?' joke."
Great video. It was the first of your's that I can clame to have fully understood - yet I sitll enjoyed all of them
@SuperCrakker -- This might be a specifically American way to study music, because I've had a lot less training than you and I've heard of this way of doing things. I've often heard major chords described as 1-3-5-8 (flat the 3 if you want the minor equivalent). Vihart didn't make this system up -- it's just a convention. Also, the numbers move depending on the key. It's not tied to C at all.
@21CenturyRevolution They were actually two sisters and they were from where I live in Louisville, Kentucky.
Who are you.....this whole series of video is blowing my mind....
97 digits of pi? I only have 39 digits memorized.
Was really surprised you didn't mention Kate Bush's Pi song Vi...the only mainstream mathemusical hit!
now when someone asks me what i'm listening to, i'll tell them pi
...finally, if the last measure of a phrase has 2,4,6, then shift the 4th scale degree up by one half step and the subsequent measures has the scale modulated down by 5 half steps.
bunny is right the combinations in pi are a smaller infinity the the infinity of combinations possible although a very good point and it is very likely that any piece would be somewhere in pi.
We must now sing tau, e, radical 2 and phi
TRUE
Great job with the art!
Not necessarily. It's not actually known whether every finite sequence of digits appears somewhere within the decimal expansion of pi.
Great job on the pi ballerina! =D
your singing voice is beautiful
1:00 Cue the creeper calls.
The laws do protect these works in theory. It's also true that most of the videos I refer to (e.g. "abridged" parodies) are put back up after the owners fight the copyright claims. But it's ludicrous to even have to deal with that, especially on a regular basis. Then there's that incident where an original work by a group of celebrities was taken down on a copyright claim... It sets a tone where the owner is supposed to give up if the attacker whines enough times.
these videos make my brain happy
Wow, now that kind of memorization blows my mind. People ask me how I memorize obscure numbers and letters and combos of such so easily. But that's strictly off memory, Using methods like this is beyond my comprehension. The closest thing to this I've used is Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally (Parentheses Exponents, Multiplication, Division,, Addition, Subtraction) or King Phillip Crossed Over For Good Sex (Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species).
I'm also musically inept lol
@thelema418 That "algorithm" has been around much longer than either of these people. One may have been the first to apply it to pi, but it's such a natural thing to do that any musician who also loves math will also eventually come to it. C is sort of like the "mother note" and 1 is a very common number to start with. It's like trying to copyright the C major scale, or copyright counting starting from the number 1.
...as a child, my mom gave me the dictionary to pacify me. The more I learned, the more I needed to know. To this day I follow absolutes rather than abstracted interpretations through words and symbols (art-forms). Temporal sophistication is a pacifier of the most insidious order.
i'm with you. copyrighting pi feels kind of like trying to copyright "red haired person walks down the street."
i used the first 12 digits of pi in a very old (and not so good) piece, but with rhythmic rather than melody. every measure started with 1e.a. and the subsequent rhythm was based on pi. i can't put a direct link into a comment, so if you're interested, find "Cycles" on my channel and go to 02'08"ish.
anyone that wants to use that in a piece is welcome to. i promise i won't sue. ;)
once agains proven that math is art just like music and that music is a lot like maths.... and also maths can be beautiful
Man, I never knew all the cool things you could do with pie! I thought my friend being able to recite the first 200 digits was cool! Eh, I'm still gonna put it in a video.
Keep doin' what you're doin~
You can sing and you're good at maths? YOU ARE A GOD.
one day i was bored in computing class so i memorized the first 33 digits of pi.
I'm a mathematician-turned-law-student who specializes in intellectual property. I can say with some confidence that one person creating a tune does not prevent another person from independently creating the same tune.
Copyright consists of a variety of rights, but chief among them is the ability to control who copies your work. If there's independent creation, there's no infringement. The other guy was wrong to request that the video be removed, and CZcams was wrong to comply.
it would be easy enough to bypass a copywrited song based on pi by simply changing the mode. the simplest way to do that would be to make A your first note because then it would simply be minor. but a more interesting choice might be phrygian; making E your first note. give it a try.
DANG YOU HIT THAT 🗣️
@michaeljohnblake IMHO, I think Erickson has a stronger claim. Even though PI is a number, it is the technique of rendering the number into music that is the heart of the copyright claim. There are lots of options available. Create the song in a different mode, play it on a microtonality scale, develop a different temperament for the sound, etc. You could be like Cage and decide that silence is an important component of the music; perhaps 9 is a rest? There's many options for making pi music.
"What Pi so..."
This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Lars Erickson.
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CZcams needs to have someone personally review all DMCA takedown requests. This policy of 'censor first, ask questions later (if at all)' screws over a lot of people.
One thing is if you add more he can not have you take it down because you added your own creativeness to it the same way if you are talking about a song you can play it in the background since you are adding to the intellectual integrity of the piece
Warning: what I'm about to say may cause offense to some math nerds. The melody is not fundamentally based on pi but on the choice of the decimal number system too. Why? You could write pi in base 5 for pentatonic, base 8 for diatonic, base 12 for chromatic, etc, base 10 is a peculiar choice. A silly procedure and silly fight. I enjoyed the video, though.
i deff muted the parts where you sang.
but you are AWESOME nonetheless
Once I accidentally fell down and dropped my things and somehow ended up spelling all the first 21 presidents of the United States in cursive. Crazy right?
If PI is infinite this means that every possible combination of numbers occurs in it - so all songs in the world are parts of the pi-song
Wow, I actually never thought of it that way.
Not necessarily... 0.101001000100001000001[continue until bored] can be continued indefinitely, without it containing every possible combination of numbers. So just the fact, that there are infinite decimals doesn't imply everything being in it.
I wonder if there is a way to prove either way if a given combination is part of Pi or not...
+Der Lehrämtler I don't know what you're talking about.
That makes no sense becuase pi actually contains other numbers then 1 and 0 xD
But you can't say for sure that pi has ALL of the combinations. It has not been proven yet. Not sure if it ever will. Most would expect pi to contain every possible number sequence but there's no know way of knowing that for sure.
While I'm hardly surprised that that pi-copyrighting yo-yo got laughed out court, I'm surprised it even went that far. In Intel v. AMD, federal courts conclusively ruled that numbers are not copyrightable.
Let's copyright 17th root 123!*0.003000187
Because no one ever would use that number.
822977180388.19329425533241201(etc)
Sure, why not!
Side note: Sometimes I love having a calculator that actually exploits the computer as the math machine it really is instead of imitating the woefully underpowered handheld models :-)
The next bunch of digits (this took 140 seconds to compute on my computer... if you've got a decent program and a beefy CPU or GPU (if that processing style is enabled in your calculator of choice) you could probably do more than that, that's just the accuracy I went with) is:
292622557362119159027417977356115228690831648769253740588089317175606305131999975008888570029817827291918768105238545474787299688386404387704011838548347364551819207963385549284876464687446590706225542431215374890198297071717508965528562424289764042470768226901266820276257020165066379865335707823804866139858304154028959309515290218560071518105412444837278679831314283673074351650613025603981814158113645217744271121300657372656815844795642875400793341907523791670208250010621024943387982663123880976481538407958605370866236773739243348003381933049373302894060761250660005130368799473546896342395653575157745281797379759898086735074089374107298769834246931470803454627319913981664513599085685368886523450772050440711804318282590904507809500677383141576088235943401233132536673551915098843956256737366903821466801976735953796650023899416739029869305327515630869068044741688083240349131283951520229043973358302790055985504273382772560364131101225899660284270983605801285060740116
Tomewyrm Draconus Wow, I'm impressed. But I guess, there is no practical use of that number ANYWHERE... I guess hardest part for a computer was a 123!, which is a ridiculously huge number.
Ooooor you made these digits up xD
Actually it was the root that was the most problematic for the computer. Roots are never amazingly fast to calculate, the only reasons your handheld calculator does them so fast is that it's working with small numbers at every step, and processors (even the wimpy ones in a calculator) can do each discrete step thousands of times (maybe more) a second. Computers can obviously beat that. My current processor can do billions of steps a second.
The biggest issue was almost certainly the decided precision value; I was using 1000 digits which is a lot of numbers to crunch for each step, and also a lot of steps to crunch through.
Couldn't have you just compute e^((ln 1 + ln 2 + ... + ln 123)/17)? It must be much faster.
I saw the video, and I can't believe it got taken down. It was amazing. I am upset
A clever way to give out your number. I should try that.
and because pi is infinite wouldn't a copyright claim to (any) digits of pi apply to literally all music??
Pilitics.
You're a pilitician.
Crap. I made a pi song on the piano for my youtube channel last week using the first 120 digits of pi.
Does this mean that dude can have it taken down now? Did he copyright using the notes to form a song at all or just a specific key? (I did mine in A Harmonic Minor, a key that is not commonly used.)
i wanna kiss your brain.
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Um
Thanks for making me feel uneducated yet starving for knowledge. The fact that you're good at math AND music makes me want to pick up an instrument and start doing my math homework. Also, I'm gonna be a senior and it makes me feel like I missed out on a lot of my inner talent all these years. I guess it's never too late after all! :)
Was it me or did 0:54 sound like The Bowl and the Laser Bat?
You missed the pun
Do "NOTE" nter
When she hit that high note tho,
𝑰 𝒇𝒆𝒍𝒕 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕.
0:40 WRONG!
C'MON LET'S SPAM VI'S GOOGLE VOICE NUMBER!