The Japanese Gearing - Ship Request #6: Hayate
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I'd like to see Colbert since you only see 300k games or them getting oneshot and rarely the inbetweens/decisions.
And I do currently fancy her, she looks fun.
Combine the One Take and the Ship Request and finally get Yodo out of the way.
Please no, just accept it s garbage, I want to see something useful
Maybe some long distance AA build focused on flak? I don't know, this thing is awful.
No. I don't want to see Yodo ever again. I have it, played like 2 games and will never touch again...
@@markoviitanen2671 Why did you even get it
i got oneshot by a gk at 19km
......
Agir next plz!!!!!
Agir is quite fun. Did kraken in very first battle with her :D
Personally, I like that you included so much of the second game. I feel like a lot of players struggle to understand how to deal with a flank that is stacked against you like that without throwing the game and this is a nice example on how to do it right. Also you do not see too many games like this featured as juicy damage and action just seems like more interesting content.
Actually appreciated the tactical game play being left in. I know its not flashy but it shows a lot of the mind game involved in DDs, along with restraint. Also shows godly PQ is mortal some games lol.
Siegfried next please! A cruiser with a surprise, you think it's just another cruiser but it slaps your citadel with superaccurate Bismarck guns with 12k per cit
He hates the Siegfried unfortunatly :/
Sounds like someone doesn't know how shitty the Siegfried actually is, and is living a fantasy lol
@@poopsie117 Siegfried is pretty good for Randoms. If the player has hands and knows the ships capabilities - it's actually pretty decent 😉
@@sargisshirinyan207 looks like a fun ship, but just not very meta yk?
I'd love to see you do the Fletcher. A bit unsexy, yes, but I believe it tops out the American DD line as the jack of all trades, ultimate team support vessel. I do think that the main downside to the boat is the short torpedo range -- being locked in a game with cruisers that can out radar your main armament is painful and I'd love to see your approaches to that challenge. The gearing (and J H) could be so much more than they are if they kept the Fletch's concealment and maneuverability.
I'll add that I think Fletcher isn't memey enough to get consideration from Yuro, powerful enough to get attention from Robin, and isn't exciting enough to get frequently featured by Jingles. But it's such a fundamentally solid ship that I wish it got its due. It really is a wonderful little boat.
Legendary Gearing is better than Fletcher
Yes pls
@@zb10948 objectively yest but I still reckon Fletcher is more fun.
@@zb10948 Why legendary? Normal gearing is better since you have 16.5km torps, also better turrets layout and DPM.
Thanks for your vids. I like the ship emblems at the top of the screen rather than the health bar as it is easier to see what ships and what type of ships are left. ALL the best.
Thank you for your video and for your advice in how to survive in CV games, I do struggle as a DD against these ships. By the way, I recently noticed a game mechanic about using the AA : if you wait for planes to get inside your ship's AA range a bit (say 1-3 seconds) and turn your AA on by activating priority sector, it seems you are more likely to deal more damage to these planes than if both your ship's AA and priority sector had been on when the planes entered your AA range. It seems that the first shot usually averages 800-900 damage instead of the continuous70 damage I'm getting on my Mogador.
I haven't tried just delaying my AA without using priority sector to see if the damage only comes from the delayed active AA from a closer range though.
Alas, this mechanic just doesn't translate into any significant difference regarding the damage your ship (both alpha damage and spotting) you'll eventually receive despite giving you the impression of having a greater impact on the air/surface gameplay. I think this does make it tickier for the CV player to aim though. Had you noticed this ?
PQ avoiding that Yodo video as long as he can lmao.
He thought we wouldn't notice, but we did
Just got this as my first ship from a container, excited to use it
Thanks for the gameplay!
Nice video! I bought this ship basically because of FOMO, and since coal is time gated, it would take me some time to get it otherwise. In the few games I played I wasn't impressed. It's not quite useless as some people make it out to be, but it's certainly not in the top half of the best tier 10 DDs list, in my opinion. If only the torps didn't take sooo loooong to reload.
I would like to see the Odin. I’m curious to see how the first dockyard ship has aged in this game and how to play her in this current meta.
*whispers* the first dockyard was Payto Rico
@@kurotsune77 ah, I almost forgot about that one. You are right, but then again who would want to remember the first PR dockyard event.
@@floppywaffle69 whales and the very few madmen who completed it through missions, but yeeeeaaaah
No torp reload booster swapped for smoke? Those 20 torp racks are quite fun
I tried building reload booster, and found it a no-go. You're really just a "much worse leg mod Shima" with that build. The circumstances where the extra rack of torps the reload booster gives you are game-changing are too few and far between - either it has no significant effect, or it's overkill; and you're giving up better consistency thanks to leg mod Shima's shorter down-time and the fact ti doesn't need to synchronise torp CD with the tRLB.
Having smoke so that you can make consistent use of Hayate's guns is far more valuable.
i would like to see how u play russian radars (petro, riga,)
i'm relatively new to the game and i just got the riga and i average pretty well in it
u can find some video of him with the petro, but im not sure if it's before the nerf or no
21:45
Well done PQ lol, well done
What about we meme on him an vote for a tier 1 ship?
Just got this in the golden week container, and as a newbie, I won't be taking this out to play too soon
I'm playing it on torp build with torp reload booster, then you have 20 torps on salvo (5 more then Shima) and good guns as a bonus but no smoke with 6.1 concealment, so you have to pay special attention to stay invisible.
I use gun build hayate and torps mostly on BBs or stationary radar cruisers that love hugging islands
Gearing can mount unique uograde and take her concealment to same level as Shima
I wish that Carriers would go back to having a certain amount of aircraft on board, so when you actually shoot down planes it DOES do something and can wipe out full groups, also would be nice to do more damage to planes in general
Would love to see you make Gearing gunboat work, and then your preferred Gearing build.
I was scrolling over this ship contemplating getting it. Maybe i will now. Use up those FXP.
The best thing about the Hayate is definitely that camo lol
I really do enjoy my Hayate. The black lacquer camo is beautiful.
How can we get this camo?
@@markefo 8000 golds.
@@kalh5158 still avalaible to buy?
@@markefo yes it is.
@@kalh5158 thank you for help bro
Incomparable.
There was a shout a couple of videos ago that collected a lot of likes, but I think something else got the most.
I love alpha damage and the Incomparable can crush everything, however it's a glass cannon that maneuvers like a truck on a mountain road. With the recent reload buff it's a touch easier to play. I had the range mod - but the dispersion was horrible. Ever since I took it off - I feel reborn. However the low range (17.6km) means if you want to shoot at cruisers and BBs, chances are there will be DDs and subs around, and it's a pain in the buttocks to dodge torpedoes.
I hope you can get to it at some point.
I like full guns hayate with TRB. Surprised you didnt use the TRB feature yourself!
how about the asashio to see how well it has aged with all the up dates
as always fun video thanks
They said it is a hybrid of Harugumo and Shimakaze, unfortunately Hayate inherits both of their bad traits.
Big concealment, bad turning circle, 127mm gun, 12 torpedoes.
I'd love to see you play Groningen/Friesland.
I would love to see HSF harekaz, hull 3 please!
Eh, depending on how you build it, it plays in between a Benson and an Akizuki. Either you go for Kagero style torp gameplay with a bit of hybrid assassination built in; or you go IJN gunboat build with IFHE and do some stealth-torping whenever you need to provide vision to team, or are worried about being clapped with artillery.
Thunderer on a perma-fire.... Oh, the sweet, sweet irony :)
didnt this ship have a module swap out system sorta like the premium T6 US DD Monaghan where you could spec it for torps or guns when it was first released or am i wrong here?
Hayate with Yamamoto kraken skill perk unleashed is so much fun
Hey can you make a Unique commander Tier list?
You should see this thing on console, you can pretty easily get sub 6km concealment with her going over 35kts. You can also buff her HE alpha by 13% and still have better conceal than PC. She’s one of the more viable gunboats at her tier and would easily be the best had Allen M. Sumner not been added. She’s being readded next update for only 1.4 million GXP too!
Maybe feature the *Incompareable* once more. We only got to see her once I believe, which was in her dedicated review. I would like to know if your opinion about her might have changed since then!
15:38 yeah, they could at least allow ships with dual purpose main battery guns to do that
lmao at 16:06 is that a submarine at 60m depth spotting surface torpedoes? that... seems like it shouldn't be allowed lmao
Can you do the Azuma? Debating on getting it before it goes to coal and would love to see what the ship is capable of.
Its just worse yoshino
@@kuramathewolf worst to the point where it's not worth getting even with it's high credit making potential and for someone who doesn't have a yoshino?
@@Mortifix Let's take a comparison between Azuma and Agir, since they're both free xp and tier 9 premium cruisers. The better cruiser will be listed in multiple categories and reasons behind them.
Survivability: Agir (Higher HP, somewhat trollish turtleback armour, very slightly more resilience to HE spam
Gunpower: Agir (Higher alpha damage for AP & HE, higher DPM for AP & HE)
Ballistics: Azuma (Longer base range and spotter aircraft is available, flatter shell arc, higher accuracy, higher AP penetration at longer distances)
Secondaries: Agir (More range & penetration values, but Azuma has better accuracy)
Torpedoes: Agir (Errmm cuz Azuma has none...)
Concealment: TIE (Both have exactly identical base concealment values)
Maneuverability: TIE (Agir has slightly better turning radius, Azuma has slightly better rudder shift)
AA: TIE (Agir has more AA range, Azuma has slightly higher AVERAGE AA DPM)
Consumables: Agir (Just because of German Hydro)
Overall verdict, Agir over Azuma. Personally, I prefer Agir's superior base values over Azuma's gun accuracy and ballistic controls. Azuma excels at long range combat where your guns outperforms your enemies, or even outright out-range them. But this requires spotting from team. At closer ranges where enemies can hit you, Azuma gets blown up by basically everyone due to ridiculously thin armour. I consider Agir a dollar-store Alaska with extra torps, an all-rounder that is fairly reliable in almost any situation, but isn't top-tier in any aspect. In this comparison, I'd pick Agir over Azuma any day.
As for Azuma and Yoshino, Azuma is basically a tier 9 Yoshino without any torps. Hope this comparison and information helps
@@tayyexun5607 Wow, very informative! Thank you for taking the time. I do have the Agir already and love it. I guess if the ship was being removed all together, I might be more inclined to buy it but I keep hearing it's not really that good so I'll probably just pass on it and get the Yoshino if I want something like that playstyle. Thanks again.
if you are not new to the game, have much fexp and only lack a few rare ships - buy it just for the sake of not getting it out of NY crates or super containers. If you are though and have to consider where to spend the scarce resourses - i'd say Groningen and Agir are a must have, Hayate and Azuma - not so much. That said, neither of the 4 (except for Agir, maybe) are as versatile and powerful as Smaland and Alaska were, so not getting these is not as sad as not getting those, imo.
How about playing your favorite tier 9 ship with a 17 point commander, please? Or maybe a tier 8 with a 16 point commander? I'd like to see how you might mix 'n match your builds and commander skills.
Show Omaha! Her playstyle is rarely showcased, and it would help a lot of beginners!
Thats the first blood ship lmao
@@KongouFromArpeggio Exactly. Which is why I want him to show how to play Omaha, so we can see what he does to overcome that problem.
Nothing to show - Omahas are all about using island cover effectively and spamming fires on everyone until you win. There's really nothing to it.
It's light-cruiser 101.
Thats pretty easy, DONT GET SHOT! Run AWAY from Battleships! Maybe bounce DD and CL shells off your 75mm citadel? Other then that you are basically a island camper with your 6 torp tubes per side and decent gun armament. You can even fire all 5 bow guns if your cheeky about pointing your nose at the enemy.
Omaha is a beast with the right strat and situation
would love to see wyoming
May I ask you to up the brightest a little in the coming videos, keep up the good work
Would you still recommend the Ohio as the first RB ship to take?
Which crosshair do you normally use?
Colbert for sure.
only 10 torpedoes.. lol
For a coal ship, I'm actually liking her. I sold off my tech line ships, and need something better for Clan Battles. I mean the Marceau is ok, but her concealment sucks, as well as her torpedo range. She got decent guns, and awesome speed, but you need a better balance for Clan Battles. At least in my own humble opinion. Of the coal ships, the only one that seems to come close to this is the Alvaro de Bazán. But her torps are so so slow. Missing my Gearing and Shima, but honestly not as much as my Kleber with Legendary Mod. But really, 6.1 Concealment is actually not that bad once you count in how good the guns are, and though the long reload, the torps are actually pretty sweet.
Well whenever WG gets that "Air Defense Mechanic" testing done they might add it to the game. as i understand it, its basically a Alt use for the ASW planes for when you Don't have subs to bomb. Kinda hope they do SOMETHING with AA otherwise nothing is going to change.
I've never lost a battle in my Hayate...
She is a good generalist and tier 10 is full of people who want to farm off your spotting.
I got this ship for free a few days ago and I love it, it's also my highest tier premium ship.
What's weird about a CV looking for DDs to spot & kill?
Submarine next xD
got the Hayate for 250 dublones :D best container luck so far
Very much wanted my Hayate. Before getting it, I saw it as a tier 10 Yugumo; one more torp/launcher and much better guns, but a hit on the concealment. My plan was build as a torp boat using the reload booster like the Yugumo, but I'd have guns that allow me to take on more gun fights.
Yeah, not so much. The ship handling is why I don't play it nearly as much as I thought I would.
I didn't know that it handles like shit. It is much less nimble that the Yugumo or Shima. Combine that with the worse concealment and it is very difficult to work the edges of your detection range and disengage when needed.
So disappointing that WG makes so few special/premium torp bouts. Everything has to be pew pew pew focused.
I agree so much. I loved the idea of using it as a stronger yugumo with usable gun power, but somehow it handles as bad as the kitakaze/Grozovoi. If you run into someone at 6.1 detect it takes FOREVER to turn around and you eat so much damage. Makes no sense whatsoever because it's not like the gunpower is as good as something like the kita to make up for it and the shell velocity means you have to get closer unlike Grozovoi
Nice camo
I had my damage record in this ship for a while
Neus the T9 RU freemium DD
Would like you to see playing Tone
I would love to see musashi ❤
zorkiy next?
I request the Mikasa, for the lols.
CVs are a menace.
At least in RTS-mode AA was actually EFFECTIVE, and ranged!
RIP 8.4km Wooster AA 😭 And T6 Cleveland.
I'd like to see a nevsky game. I've yet to have any good games in mine
Nevsky is excellent.
Start game by moving up so that you can stealth-radar the cap without being detected - get ready to land an HE salvo or two into the enemy DD contesting the cap to help yours. If your DD is good and outspots the enemy DD you can potentially hold your fire and hold your radar - wait for the enemy DD to smoke up, then radar him when he's blinded.
Helping your DD early is a way to win the game in the first few minutes.
Once you've gotten detected, start kiting away from the enemy to a safe crossfire position (either use islands to cover you from battleship AP, or kite around an off-angle at long range).
Nevsky has excellent AP penetration characteristics, so you want to be spamming that AP into cruiser broadsides (you can comfortably cit a lot of cruisers at extreme range), and generally using AP as much as possible.
If you can't find a safe position where you can use your AP, you just spam HE from maximum range where you can kite and juke long-range return fire. I don't bother with IFHE because AP is the bread-and-butter ammo for Nevsky, and even if you are in a situation where you're spamming HE, then you generally want more fires to farm something down rather than more pens.
st. louis! low tier uber ship.
Tiger '59 next please
Can you do Mikasa next?
The only tier II BB in the game.
I'd like to see C Colombo plz
Take lion for a ride.
Erie next
The Incomparable cause it’s not getting featured on the channel much lol
i was expecting you to show it featuring the torp reload booster instead of smokes at least for one game. Sadly, you decided not to. Maybe next time :)
Neptune
i would like to see belfast 43
Been saving my XP for this ship but 2 million free XP? ouch! You've certainly shown here that Hayate isn't worth it. Thank You for dashing my hopes/desires "before" I errored! lol.
It's typical wargaming "give with one hand, take with the other". Its gunpower isn't quite good enough to make it a gunboat proper; its slow reloading sluggish torpedoes and reliance on the torpedo booster aren't enough to make it a torpedo boat that can match up to a Shima - even before you appreciate the Shima's smaller and stealthier and so way less vulnerable.
If Hayate has the TRLB on the speedboost slot instead of the smoke slot, that would be a very different story, as its base speed is good enough to forgo speed boosts.
A CV player needs to understand the role they play is for SUPPORT! Always support your DDs when they are trying to cap with fighter coverage and counter play the enemy CV from killing your DDs. Also focus on killing the enemy DDs that are trying to contest the Cap when you can... After that, they are free to farm.
St. Vincent
I Love CV games! 2 CVs? Bring it on! Its subs that I hate with a passion. CVs are OP I agree but I generally play strong AA DDs. Oland is the best AA ship in the game, not because its AA is OP but because "the combination" of strong AA and its maneuverability allows me to kick their asses "dominantly" Can't touch this! Ironically Halland fails at being AA dominant, the damn thing couldn't dodge a BB lol. (2600+ games in AA max Oland including Jerzy). I recently achieved 82 AA kills and sank both CVs in the doings and without even using a heal. "Can't touch this"! There is a way! I agree however that most ships are way too vulnerable to air attacks and I admit that I hate CVs when I'm playing those ships... They're Soo fricken "frustratingly helpless". Argg!!!!!
Balance needed!
if CV just spotted for themselves it would be a massive start to changing the game.
Can you do Conqueror or any BB from that line?
That line is a bit funky. Before T7 they're pretty typical battleships with decent calibre guns that overmatch - so Queen Liz can overmatch her peers through the nose for big wallops and citadels a plenty.
At T7 KGV has low calibre guns which are fine at deleting broadside cruisers with AP; but in pretty much all other situations want to be farming HE damage at safe ranges whilst ready to kite away.
At T8 Monarch's an odd duck because it doesn't have the same reliable HE spamming potential as KGV, Lion, Conq, Thunderer. It's most effective when you use its stealth to find cruiser broadsides and one-salvo them from just outside your *excellent* concealment range.
At T9 and T10 you can get away with HE spamming from pretty far back, but the battle impact of that is relatively low.
Much better to use the decent concealment to get relatively close to the cap whilst assuming a kiting position, and try to get one big HE slap on the enemy DD before you get spotted and start kiting away - that's often enough to win a CP outright given the massive HE alpha.
Once you've done that, if you're properly positioned, you can still devastate broadsides with your AP (or overmatch light cruisers dumb enough to try bow tanking you); and if no-one exposes their citadels to your AP, well you can just farm them down with HE and fires whilst bouncing retaliatory fire off your angled main armour belt.
Play Yoshino 🗿
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Druid
Haida?
Goliath
GIBRALTAR😁
I really can't see the 2M Free XP price tag being worth it. You could buy an entire line of ships for that.
Try Erie. Show us true skills
INS Mysore ???
Flint!
Could you please do Fenyang next?
Neustra, please :-) !!
That last game dictates the need for a buff to AA. Way too many games are dragging on because of the overabundance of aircraft spotting. Teams are just not willing to engage each other.
Please di zorkiy video. You have never done it and i have requested for a lot of time in discord 😢
So don't get the Hayate... got it.
Venezia again pls
Black please! Love the Fletchers