ALR Screen VS White WALL - Side by Side Comparison in Different Lighting Conditions
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Many people have noticed how the lighting looks different in the side by side comparisons. I noticed this as well when putting the footage together and I assumed the difference was because the ALR screen is designed to absorb ambient light and prevent it from bouncing around whereas just having the white wall, the light is free to bounce around and reflect everywhere. However, I'm certainly a novice when it comes to filming and some great suggestions came in to make sure iso and white balance is set manually which I will certainly try doing in future videos to see if that makes a difference! There is no financial benefit to me if you buy the screen.
Intro: 0:00
Unbox/Setup: 0:31
Mounting on Wall: 2:51
Technology of ALR: 3:38
Why ALR Screens are Popular: 3:53
Test 1 - ALL DARK: 4:50
Test 2 - 50% LIGHT: 6:25
Test 3 - 100% LIGHT: 7:45
Final Thoughts: 10:24
Extra Footage - Dark Room: 10:45
Extra Footage - 50% Light: 16:22
Extra Footage - 100% Light: 21:46
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Many people have noticed how the lighting looks different in the side by side comparisons. I noticed this as well when putting the footage together and I assumed the difference was because the ALR screen is designed to absorb ambient light and prevent it from bouncing around whereas just having the white wall, the light is free to bounce around and reflect everywhere. However, I'm certainly a novice when it comes to filming and some great suggestions came in to make sure iso and white balance is set manually which I will certainly try doing in future videos to see if that makes a difference! There is no financial benefit to me if you buy the screen.
Intro: 0:00
Unbox/Setup: 0:31
Mounting on Wall: 2:51
Technology of ALR: 3:38
Why ALR Screens are Popular: 3:53
Test 1 - ALL DARK: 4:50
Test 2 - 50% LIGHT: 6:25
Test 3 - 100% LIGHT: 7:45
Final Thoughts: 10:24
Extra Footage - Dark Room: 10:45
Extra Footage - 50% Light: 16:22
Extra Footage - 100% Light: 21:46
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Or you could have rotated the ALR screen vertically to cover only half of the wall. Then, project the video half onto the ALR and the other half on the wall. This way you could control other variables. Also, make sure the ambient light source is at the center.
At 7:20 even when there is no output at 0722, right side is too bright
Hi Chris!
As others have mentioned, it looks like your camera may have had auto white balance and auto iso turned off.
As you move forward, to keep everything consistent, it will be a good idea to manually set the values for ISO and White Balance.
Some search terms you can use on CZcams would be, “How to film in Manual Mode”, “How to Color Correct”, or “How to Color Match”.
Thank you again for the amazing videos and I look forward to the next one!
Thanks as always for watching and taking the time to comment! I'll for sure keep that in mind If I do something like this down the road! I really do appreciate the feedback and great ideas!
Wow! Thanks for the video. I too was satisfied with just using the white wall but now I want to get an ALR Screen.
Thank you for this, its an amazing representation of the differences, a lot of time and effort went into making it, greatly appreciated and certainly helped me.
Hey, I just tripped over your video and I really appreciate your approach, doing this lengthy side by side comparison. Very cool. Now I'm intrigued on the screen. Thank you for the video.
Awesome work, thanks a lot for such comparison.
thank you, awesome video! I'm 100% sold after watching your video as well!
Fantastic to see this side-by-side comparison. Thank you. Have to ask though - was your camera on auto exposure and color balance? Looks like it might have been...
Excellent demo and review Chris, that screen is not that far off TV levels, plus I imagine anytime you are gonna put the laser projector on the chances are you'll be watching something in particular and would turn the lights down,
I hope you are all well 👍🏻
Its getting closer! Thanks as always buddy!!
Amazing! Do you have any idea which is the ALR biggest screen available on the market? I'm searching for a screen that can be set up outside with a minimum width of (about) 4 meters/150"
Thank you much appreciated! ✌️
Great job on the video. My guess is that the settings on your camera were set to auto for ISO and white balance. If set to manual, then the lighting should have remained the same for both shots.
Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment! This was my first video like this so I certainly have a lot to learn and room for improvement so I love the feedback! Do you think since the ALR screen is designed to absorb ambient light and stop it from bouncing around the room would make a difference? When putting the videos together side by side I noticed how the shots looked different even in the same lighting conditions but I just assumed it was because the screen was doing its job. I'm curious if you think that would make a difference or if its purely a difference in iso and white balance?
@@ChrisMaherDIY In automatic mode, the screen and light reflecting from it will 1000% change the settings on your camera. In Manual mode from ISO, Shutter, & Aperture, the light from the room will not change. While the screen may change any reflected light (acting as a bounce), it would not effect the wall on the sides of the screen (See my channel for my experience with lights/cameras). The wall being lit differently in your comparison shots was the effect of automatic exposure in the camera.
On another note, I am a subscriber of your channel and love the video quality and content. I have been using LEDs in my home for over a decade (czcams.com/video/1B3gXac-z1c/video.html) and am in the process of buying a home in Miami and will be borrowing a lot of the technique's you pointed out for new LED installation (including those awesome acrylics) and a 150" ALR screen, so your videos are great research for me.
@@EvanWasHere gotcha! That makes sense and again thank you for the knowledge! I'll for sure check out your channel! Thanks for the kind words and good luck on the move! Very exciting!
@@ChrisMaherDIY Actually.. I take back part of that.
Because the UST light hits a painted wall, it will reflect (bounce) onto the ceiling and surrounding walls. This light MAY then bounce back and hit the wall around the border of where you are projecting on the wall.
An ALR screen won't bounce as much light as it's not as reflective as paint.
Still, shooting in manual so all the shots match will keep the test as fair as possible.
Shooting automatic is kind of the fair test here. Automatic adjusts the settings so you have rich midtones and you don't lose details. The histogram tells you all you need to know. Even in manual.
Test: Take a screenshot. Adjust the right side to the depth of shadow on the left side. Comparre the detail and midtones on the sideboard and look for that reflection on the ceiling.
Compare the colors on the screen. Compare the histogram.
Test 2: Look at the sideboard's surface. Compare both sides. The difference between the sides is significantly smaller than between both sides of the ceiling. 17:59 the sideboard is even brighter on the left, probably due to the blue light reflected from the ALR, while the ceiling is clearly shadow. Right side: blurry sideboard, mostly yellowish.
While saying the same manual setting gives a more comparable picture, the change in the appearance of luminant areas already speaks volumes. And having a more than comparable experience shooting with a RED camera in an uncanny similar setting, in my opinion, there is no such one manual setting that allows you a fair comparison without either over- or underselling either the projector or the ALR. Cause reflections caused by projectors are crazy on camera.
Xou are both great though and thanks a lot for the video as much as for the input :)
Great video. I’m going all white because I have a dedicated room with no windows. Screen should be going up today
how it the viewing angle? Do you use a fresnel ALR or Black Grid ALR screen? Thank you!
So compared to most of these on the cheaper end, my matte lvl 2 Grey wall always looks better to me, and the brightness is league's better. Fresnel screens are where it's at, if you can find a good one. The formovie screen is STUPENDOUSLY BRIGHT, while finally beating out my wall, but doesn't come nearly as large as my wall which is 22x16
Thank you so much for this video. I was wondering if I should get an ALR screen to go with my LS800. It'll be in a dark room so I figured I'd get a normal screen. Seeing this, there's no way I'm not taking the ALR route 😅
You are very welcome and thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! They do make a difference!
Updates and is the brightness good enough for your screen size
Great job man, helps a lot, to buy or not an alr screen. Cheers from Brasil
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I'm confused. Shouldn't the wall below the bottom of the screens be identical to highlight the fact that you are using the SAME exposure and white balance on both captures?
Hi, I just wanted to ask what projector/screen did you use here. Thanks.
Thanks Chris.
Thanks as always!!
Great video mate, now it would be interesting to compare ALR screen with a white paint wall (or standard screen) but in a room with black mat walls ans ceiling, in this configuration i'm not sure the ALR screen improved anything!?
Since it looks like a dedicated room have you plan to do so? (darkened the walls)
Thanks buddy! Glad you liked the video! I am also wondering the same thing! I might at some point down the road try but unfortunately my house is not big enough to have this be dedicated. I had to move some stuff around to film but its also the kids play room lol. Thanks again!
@@ChrisMaherDIY buy them some night vision goggles and go pitch black, science doesn't wait!! 😅
@@JupiterLIII Hahahaha I like your thinking!
Clear difference 👌
Big difference for sure! Especially when light is introduced! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
When I buy a 11,000 sq ft 'house' and can have a dedicated DARK movie room...... I'm there with this! ;)
Hahaha yeah I'm right there with you! For now its a shared space where my kids run around and play so definitely not a dedicated room! Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment as always!
@@ChrisMaherDIY 😉
This is a fantastic test thank you !
This is an expensive screen. Do you think even a lower price one could have a so good result like this ?
Ok you answer that already in the video I only pause too soon ! ❤️
Yeah that's for sure what I would like to do. Compare it to like a 500 dollar one to see if there is still a big difference or if the difference is small enough where the extra 2500 dollars would be hard to justify! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
Can you use laser pointer with ALR screen for powerpoint presentation? I can not find answer to this question. It's most important factor for me.
is your projector the laser projector from XGIMI?
Hi Chris, what is the size of this screen? I am not able to decide what size should i pick 100 or 120
Thanks for watching buddy! I have the 120" screen. Perfect fit for the size of the room!
Now I want to see ALR vs TV
That would be a good test! Might have to try doing that at some point down the road!
nice test but there seems to be a colour shift in your side by side, why is the tv cabinet /door - walls more white on the right at all shots? are you using auto white balance?
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! When I was putting the video together side by side I noticed the same thing! I could be wrong but I just assumed that the video I took with just the wall looked brighter in the same lighting conditions compared to the screen because the screen is designed to absorb ambient light and not let it bounce around the room and the white wall is reflecting everything. Similar to if I shine a flashlight at a wall that painted black compared to a wall that is painted white. I'm pretty sure I had auto focus off but maybe not? This was my first video like this and I hope to improve in all areas of filming if I do another one down the road! Other than having 2 identical projectors set up at the same time and the space to record the wall and the screen at the same time, do you have any suggestions on how to do a good comparison video? I'm very new at this an appreciate any and all feedback!
@@ChrisMaherDIY so im no expert but that was my first tought - i would say if u reshoot it, you put up the camera and then shoot both videos in one take - and as i dont have expert knowlage myself on shooting onto a test, i would asume auto white blanace and auto iso a no go, as then it will ajust itself to the light comming out onto walls ect ect - im sure there will be a diffrence over all fro mthe light spill but it looked alittle odd imo and in the honey shots somehow they where very close and colours allmost poped out more on the wall.
only real advice i can give is to test, and if u see a diffrence, then maby ask another guy/youtuber that shoot short films for iso / white balance advice im pretty sure a guy like that can help more in debth.
ex this guy >www.youtube.com/@IMCE
or this guy
www.youtube.com/@LeoTierney
@@silverbulletin846 Thanks so much for the response and I appreciate you taking the time to help out and for the suggestions on who to reach out to! If I do another video like this i'll for sure get some others advice on best practice on making a video like this and best camera settings to use. Thanks again!
@@ChrisMaherDIY nps keep rocking
Actually what were likely seeing is the technology at work.
Light or white surfaces reflect light. That screen is not just grey color. It has little almost like mirrors in it that reflects the light from the sides and the ceiling BACK TO THE VIEWER.
Whereas the white wall doesnt do anything so light reflects off the walls and washes out the screen.
How thick is a screen like this? From the wall to the front of the screen.
I'm trying to figure out the exact ceiling placement for a UST I ordered.
(Screen will come later)
Don’t ceiling mount a ust projector. The clr screen is designed to reject light from above, so you would need to mount the screen upsidedown to prevent the projector from pointing at the black parts of the ridges. If you for sure are ceiling mounting, you need a regular screen and you could get it in grey to help a little with boosting the black levels.
The ALR screen just needs flipped and yeah it won't block light from above but I never turn my ceiling lights on anyways so that's not really an issue for me. And from the research I've done, ALR screens (for UST's) are specifically designed to get the best picture quality out of a UST and will look significantly better than traditional long throw screens. (Not that those screens look bad or anything)
It may not block ambient light quite as well flipped over but otherwise still should work and be the best option for a UST projector.
@@ZyaLuke I would ask the manufacturer first to make sure before spending the money, but if it works that’s cool.
Several companies make their USTs ceiling mountable and I have talked to AWOL and they told me that you just have flip the ALR screen.
And ceiling mounting is by far the best option for my situation.
Thanks so much for watching and great question! The screen with the frame and everything included is about 1 and 1/4 inch thick! Sounds like you are doing what I would love to do! Ceiling mounting a UST projector with an upside down ALR screen I think would be as good as it gets! I have mine on the floor right now and I'm always worried the kids are going to fall on it or throw something at it and break it lol. Getting it off the floor also means you could literally have nothing on the floor and it would look so clean and minimalistic! Let me know how it turns out!
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Holy shit dude this is incredible. I can't afford it but absolutely wow
You should put the bias lighting on the 120-in
Thanks for watching! I tried having everything set the same but it does look a little different in some of the comparisons. I'm honestly not sure if that's because the camera was not exactly set the same or if its because with the white wall, there is so much more light bouncing around since there is no ALR screen to absorb a lot of the light. When the screen was up, and the lights were set the same, the room was for sure darker compared to the same lights being on and no screen if that makes sense! Good observation and I hope to be able to run more controlled comparisons down the road since I love the home theater type products!
WOW... this has shook me deeply. Always thought it is some sort of a marketing gimmick with all these overpriced ALR and CLR screens but damn,.... this blows my mind.
Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment! It for sure makes a difference!
WHAT PROJECTOR DID YOU USE FOR THIS VIDEO?
Had the same question
In the comparison videos, surely the wall's colour should remain the same, but in your videos the wall colour below the projected image is significantly different, much more washed out on the right - presumably your camera's exposure is making the difference much more noticeable? I find it hard to trust your results to be honest.
The difference i see is that in White projection it throws out more lights to the side, and the Alr Black screen focuses to keep it from washing out to the sides and directly to viewers
Good
Thanks so much for watching!
why is the wall and the surrounding so much bright on the comparisons? for me looks like you pulled high the brightness on the takes without screen. I mean if you are in the same room with the same light, why is the color of the wall underneath the projection so different? again for me the camera setup was not consistent between takes.
Is your screen 100" or 120"?
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What's the gain if I may ask ? 🤔
Such a very big difference,it almost looks like 2D vs 3D animation.
left side in the screen is darker in the room itself if you look at the wall brightness.
Thanks so much for watching! I noticed this as well when putting the footage together and I assumed the difference was because the ALR screen is designed to absorb ambient light and prevent it from bouncing around whereas just having the white wall, the light is free to bounce around and reflect everywhere. However, I'm certainly a novice when it comes to filming and some great suggestions came in to make sure iso and white balance is set manually which I will certainly try doing in future videos to see if that makes a difference!
Actually what were seeing is the technology at work.
Light or white surfaces reflect light. That screen is not just grey color. It has little almost like mirrors in it that reflects the light from the sides and the ceiling BACK TO THE VIEWER.
Whereas the white wall doesnt do anything so light reflects off the walls and washes out the screen.
Awesome pretty cool, I wonder how it hold up to my kid poking it😂
Thanks for watching! Lol the instructions make it seem like its pretty fragile so I would say not good lol.
I am blown away by this! Do you have discord or some contact i need help on some adresable strips and you have experience to help?
Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment! I don't have a discord but you can email me at outrunprojects@gmail.com I try to keep up with emails but its sometimes hard but I'll do my best!
@@ChrisMaherDIY thanks i will contact you 🙂
i can tell, that theres a significant difference between wall and the screen. but you should have recordedr both with the exact same camera settings. your shutter or iso is set up different in the comparison shots. great review though!
Thanks for watching! I tried having everything set the same but it does look a little different in some of the comparisons. I'm honestly not sure if that's because the camera was not exactly set the same or if its because with the white wall, there is so much more light bouncing around since there is no ALR screen to absorb a lot of the light. When the screen was up, and the lights were set the same, the room was for sure darker compared to the same lights being on and no screen if that makes sense! Good observation and I hope to be able to run more controlled comparisons down the road since I love the home theater type products!
@@ChrisMaherDIY ahh, i totally forgot about the light bouncing of the wall more random, since the screen has a directional type of shape. thanks for the info! keep it up. i love those vids! :)
Actually what were seeing is the technology at work.
Light or white surfaces reflect light. That screen is not just grey color. It has little almost like mirrors in it that reflects the light from the sides and the ceiling BACK TO THE VIEWER.
Whereas the white wall doesnt do anything so light reflects off the walls and washes out the screen.
Dude. Your projector is in dynamic(Bright) mode on the right side: 05:36.
Red weapon is painted yellow because of that. (Red+Green = Yellow)
And at the lit environment lighing is not equal. 07:32
Footage with ALR screen is in less ambient light environment. Looks like on the right its 100% and on the left its 50%.
and again 11:32 - dynamic (Bright) mode on the right.
Actually what were seeing is the technology at work.
Light or white surfaces reflect light. That screen is not just grey color. It has little almost like mirrors in it that reflects the light from the sides and the ceiling BACK TO THE VIEWER.
Whereas the white wall doesnt do anything so light reflects off the walls and washes out the screen.
$1000 seems a lot of money for like, a bit of vinyl that's had a sawtooth die pushed into it.
The way a camera records the light is completely different to how our eyes see light.
These video comparison shoots in the dark are not how the picture is seen by our eyes🤔
ES do a good job in Marketing but the screens are the same as the cheaper ones in the market so nothing outstanding - curious if they use CBSP or the lower BSP Material quality from Taiwan...
Not true .
@@metaldreams3595 there aren't so much factory's who produce CBSP Material. They import from Taiwan and made their own Frames and custom logos on it. ES do not produce self the material.
Good vid but the projector images even with the screen look flat and bland, makes me want to buy a oled tv instead, image quality has no comparison
Nothing beats OLED in my opinion. If only they made them in 120 inches!
@@ChrisMaherDIY agreed, so it’s either best image or size
Yeah you put a $5,000 77" Sony OLED in a room and a $2700 4k laser Nexigo Aurora Pro and a $750 Vivid Storm Floor Rising 120" ALR screen in another room and you'll never step foot in that tv room again. And I saved you $1,500 you can blow at the Dog Track.
@@metaldreams3595 honestly mate thanks for your opinion, but I disagree, picture quality of a Sony oled is a billions times better than a projector, so if you want a big picture, go for a projector, if you want a great picture, get a oled, in this instance, size isn’t everything 🤣
@@Mambo1701e But heres the problem Mate.You have a gathering of people and your tv is on in the background you might get one or two people say something but a 4K PJ image that has insane dynamic contrast, which means insane blacks and 100" of the BT. 2020 color scale (or 107% like with the Aurora Pro) and its 120" to 150"? You will hear wows all night long. And from the most hardcore cinephiles too.
I forgot what do they call the TV equivalent? Telephiles I think.
Its a different experience.
And thats why I stand by my prior statement about the two rooms.
You wont be picking the projector room over the TV room because it technically has a better picture.
You'll pick it because of the experience.And you would, I guarantee you b rother, you wouldnt give a sht about the "better image", Youd go for the pj room everytime. THats what I would have put all my money on. ASk any expert
what they would pick.
You should have set your white balance Manual. Not the whole left side looks night and the right day.
Actually what were seeing is the technology at work.
Light or white surfaces reflect light. That screen is not just grey color. It has little almost like mirrors in it that reflects the light from the sides and the ceiling BACK TO THE VIEWER.
Whereas the white wall doesnt do anything so light reflects off the walls and back into the image washing out the screen.
OMG, what kind of projector is this, my old shitty Epson 3LCD projector has a much nicer image on a white wall than the one shown here on the right side... :)
Yeah thanks but no thanks. I thought something was edited/processed in post, and then it really popped at about the 6:40 mark. Does your room autofocus and get darker for the ALR half of the screen? Show us an actual side by side comparison or you'll find a lot of people unfollowing. This hopefully was an "honest" mistake to make the ALR screen pop.
For reference, I own a BENQ 7050i UST projector on a flat white wall, and 4K is glorious in a near-dark/dark room. Like take your breath away, staring at the image from a foot away and being gobsmacked at the detail, glorious. Either this projector sucks or something is really off in post-production to make the "4K" image look so washed and out of focus.
Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment! I'll have to take a look at the BENQ! I've heard great things about that one. I do see what you mean! I could be wrong but I just assumed that the video I took with just the wall looked brighter in the same lighting conditions compared to the screen because the screen is designed to absorb ambient light and not let it bounce around the room and the white wall is reflecting everything. Similar to if I shine a flashlight at a wall that painted black compared to a wall that is painted white. Im pretty sure I had auto focus off but maybe not? This was my first video like this and I hope to improve in all areas of filming if I do another one down the road! Other than having 2 identical projectors set up at the same time and the space to record the wall and the screen at the same time, do you have any suggestions on how to do a good comparison video? I'm very new at this an appreciate any and all feedback!
dude dont make unfounded small treaths, im sure chris not trying to scam you, he helps a lot giveing away free content and ideas - even if he earns some back from youtube and stuff.
Actually what were seeing is the technology at work.
Light or white surfaces reflect light. That screen is not just grey color. It has little almost like mirrors in it that reflects the light from the sides and the ceiling BACK TO THE VIEWER.
Whereas the white wall doesnt do anything so light reflects off the walls and washes out the screen.
Total waste of time... the right side room lighting is too bright in all the comparisons... very bad comparison.... room light should be constant on both the sides only the projector output should have the differences.
If it’s “Same room brightness” then why is the wall OBVIOUSLY illuminated differently? Oh makes sense “includes paid promotion” 😂 comon bro 🤦🏻
Thanks so much for watching and the feedback! I'm still not entirely sure on the difference. It for sure could be camera settings but since I thought everything was the exact same, I'm not ruling out the possibility that the difference was just simply from the fact that the ALR screen is designed to reduce the amount of ambient light bouncing around the room. So even in the same lighting conditions, I would expect the room to look very different. But that's just me trying to make sense of things and I realize I could be wrong on that. I'm for sure wanting to do another side by side video but this time make sure 100% that camera settings are the same! Thanks again for watching and hope you had a great Christmas!
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This is because of white balance on the cameras.
When the light strikes white screen it disperses around,that's why the wall is illuminated on the right side. On the left side the light do not disperse because its ambient light rejection (alr) screen.
@@MS-gn4gl its not because of the camera,i have projector and alr screen at home so i know
The entire room is so much brighter, this was a horrible comparison and a waste of my time 😆😆
No, what were seeing is the CLR/ALR technology at work.
Light or white surfaces reflect light. That screen is not just grey color. It has little almost like mirrors in it that reflects the light from the sides and the ceiling BACK TO THE VIEWER.
Whereas the white wall doesnt do anything so light reflects off the walls and washes out the screen.
The wall around the screen should have been identical all the time which isn’t (by far) the case.
Looks like a rubbish comparison